Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:47:35 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Unresolved bounces

I am at this time interested in the unresolved bounce messages that 
you have been accumulating over time. If you have them handy, I'd 
like to see them. You can send them to me off the list at 
meh at dnai dot com. Thanks.

Date: 22 Nov 99 09:36:13 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: More Vacation List woes

         Reply to:   More Vacation List woes
Well, as the adds used to say "Progress is our most important product."

Repeated bounces of on and off messages to the automated "vacation" =
account were caused by leaving the bounce account turned off.  Either the =
need to have it on is not in the documentation or I overlooked it (=
probably the latter).

So, now there are no vacation messages looping.  =

But (the other shoe), messages sent to the test account I am using always =
generate a vacation notice....even though I have sent a message to "=
vacation" telling it to turn off vacation notices from the test account.  =

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I thought the idea of the automated =
vacation "on-off" was to be able to set up some accounts so that they were =
ready to go for vacations at any time (that is copies of the messages were =
always sent to "Filed Mail.")  Then, I assumed, if the vacation notices =
were turned on the sender would get the vacation notice.  And, of course, =
if the vacation notice were turned off the message placed in "filed Mail" =
would just be dumped.  Am I incorrect? Do I actually need to manually =
reset the EIMS account whenever the vacation period is over?  The filter =
file for the test account is set to "From: @" after a message to turn off =
vacation processing is sent.  That is, I think, correct. But....... Now =
what??

There's another problem too, though that is just a little one.  My reading =
of the documentation indicated that the vacation script invoked the "one =
notice" feature of the vacation service.  That is, a sending person would =
only receive one message from a vacation account, not one each time they =
sent a message.  I checked the filters folder and the test account filter =
is set to  ***** by a "vacation on" message.  That should invoke the one =
notice, but the sending person still gets repeated messages, and their e-=
mail address is never added to the test account file in the filter folder. =
 Annoying, but secondary to the problem described above.

Any help out there???

Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======

Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 15:42 -0600 11/18/99, Chuck Boody wrote:
>
>>1) (This is the important one)  Messages sent to the vacation =
>>account that are to be acted upon don't appear to be trashed and =
>>continue to be processed by the vacation account.  So, if you send =
>>the message "on" you get copies of the response to on repeatedly =
>>until you go in and catch the item in the filed mail folder and =
>>throw it out.  In a similar manner a message to doc to update the =
>>returned document appears to be responded to repeatedly.
>
>I'm not sure why this would happen. The vacation account should be =
>configured as a regular auto-response service (plus the process =
>extender that is).



Date: 23 Nov 99 14:12:23 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Looping Messages

I'm sending this to both the AutoShare and the EIM lists in the hopes that =
someone can shed light on these two perhaps related issues.

1) We have a list that is used heavily for in building memos.  It works =
without problem except when one person sends mail to the list.  When he =
does, some people (or at least only some people have mentioned it) get =
multiple copies of the message...up to 200+  He sends from Netscape mail (=
I do not know the flavor).  Recipients (at least using Eudora Lite) get =
this message =

"Bad attachment decode. There were errors converting one or more =
attachments. Do you want to leave the message on your POP server, get rid =
of it, or download it as text?" =

There are *no* attachments on the message except for whatever Netscape =
might be adding (I am not in the building and have to report all of this =
second hand.  Sorry for the lack of detail.)  The actual path of the =
message is:  To EIMS server account that forwards to a second EIMS server =
where the receiving account is set up to use AutoShare.  Then AutoShare =
sends the message back to the first server (where the users actually live).=
 The AutoShare log reports only one message sent from the listserv. The =
EIMs mail log did not report multiple delivery of messages, but the last =
problem was over the weekend and the log may not have gone back far enough =
to show the delivery.   Any thoughts?

2) We have one user that seems to always get two copies of things from any =
of the lists to which she is subscribed.  She has not subscribed twice.  =
Any Thoughts?

Possibly connected to number 1 is the fact that attachments never seem to =
have been properly handled by AutoShare.  Since I don't want them sent I'=
ve not worried much about that but perhaps it enters into the equation =
here.  Mikael could you patiently tell me once more how things should be =
set up to allow (and to not allow) attachments?

None of these is earth shattering for me, but item one may get another =
person lynched if we can't figure it out

Thanks folks.



Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======


Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:49:47 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Looping Messages

At 14:12 -0600 11/23/99, Chuck Boody wrote:

>1) We have a list that is used heavily for in building memos.  It 
>works without problem except when one person sends mail to the list.

I need to a see his message file in the Filed Mail folder. StuffIt'ed 
please. See the section on troubleshooting in the documentation for 
grabbing it.


Date: 23 Nov 99 15:50:06 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Looping Messages

         Reply to:   Re: Looping Messages
I'll try to get that for you next week some time.

Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======

Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 14:12 -0600 11/23/99, Chuck Boody wrote:
>
>>1) We have a list that is used heavily for in building memos.  It =
>>works without problem except when one person sends mail to the list.
>
>I need to a see his message file in the Filed Mail folder. StuffIt'ed =
>please. See the section on troubleshooting in the documentation for =
>grabbing it.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:56:39 +0100
From: Jochen Haeberle <listen at MIDRAS dot de>
Subject: Problems after upgrading to 4.1

Hi,

after working a long time using AutoShare 3.0.3 I did now update to V 4.1.

But this update really causes me problems... :-(

The vacation-service does no longer work. All the accounts set to 
"Save as File" in EIMS will get the default-message sent via 
auto-reply or not.
If the respective folder is missing in documents, errors are mailed 
back and if "default" is missing in the users folder, a mail 
regarding "requested file is not available" is sent.

All the filter files are there with one line:
 From @

The filters are updated by the vacation-account with "on" and "off", 
when the service is on, adresses who recieved the vacation-mail get 
added to the file, but AutoShare just does not stop sending the mails 
when stopped :-(

Additionally, I get very bad mail loops concerning bounces of the 
accounts set to "Save File" in EIMS. As my account is set to save as 
files _and_ is listmom, postmaster... the bounced-notes get to my 
account, are saved, are bounced,... really bad.
But that's not the point. With V 3.0.3 this was set up the same, but 
no bounces were triggered.

When Bounce-Handling is set to "Empty", an error message gets 
returned stating that the account the mail was sent to does not exist:

At 21:02 Uhr +0100 23.11.1999, jochen at haeberle dot net wrote:
>To: "euroauction.net Support" <support at euroauction dot net>
>From: jochen at haeberle dot net
>Subject: Und hier???
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:02:11 Uhr +0100
>
>Sorry. The user of the recipient address is not valid.
>550 <jochen at haeberle dot net>... User unknown
>Please contact joh at MIDRAS dot de
>
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>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:00:36 +0100
>To: jochen at haeberle dot net
>From: "euroauction.net Support" <support at euroauction dot net>
>Subject: Und hier???
>Content-Type: text/plain; charsets-ascii" ; formatlowed"

In this case jochen at haeberle dot net was the addressee, who correctly 
recieved the mail!
Whe bounce is set to "on" or "off", a bounce message of the same sort 
is created with the difference that the mail loop is started.

I installed the mail-loop extender from the samples together with the 
vacation script and it instantly goes out and catches looping 
messages, putting them into the badloops folder. But there still are 
bounce-messages that get through. And then there is the fact that 
AutoShare replies the whole eMail, with attachments (!!!!) over and 
over again...

Does anyone please have a hint for me where to look for???

Jochen


Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:55:43 -0500
From: Carter Bing <carter at drum.ncat dot edu>
Subject: Need hep with filters

Greetings All,

	I have a list that I created and I am trying to set the filter to
kill any messages with a certain Subject to test things out I created a
text file named after the list, which is Beat-L, and on the first line I
placed the following:

Subject: Fish



and sent out a test mailing with the subject to fish. Needless to say the
filter did not work. I looked for the command to tell the Autoshare server
to filter messages but could not find it.

	COuld someone tell me what I am doing wrong. I am having trouble
with a very determined Spammer and would appreciate any help that I could
get.



	Thanks,

	Carter

Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:29:19 +0100
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: EIMS 3.0b1 and AS4.1

Hello,

maybe I missed this subject - will AS run with the new Eudora Mail Server 3 (http://eudora.qualcomm.com/betas/)?

Best,

Detlef

Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:38:00 +0100
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Remote review

Hi all! Do you remember my problem? It's solved...

I was getting some reports from AutoShare corrupted as you can see below:

>I use AutoShare 4.0 and set all lists to use the internal database
>format. Today I tried to request a review, and received the
>following response. What should I think about it?
>
>HOnza
>
>
>>Mime-Version: 1.0
>>Content-Type: text/plain
>>To: konference-owner at appleklub dot cz
>>Precedence: bulk
>>From: mail-robot at appleklub dot cz (Listserver Bounce)
>>Subject: Remote review
>>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:36:03 +0200
>>
>><password> review list konference
>>
>>24u at telecom.cz (24u at telecom dot cz. dot 320)
>
>... about 150 addresses here ...
>
>>pazdera at hrk.pvtnet dot cz (Ladislav Pazdera..32)
>>pech at ZF.JCU dot CZ (Jiri PECH..3)
>>=03R=03RRy=03O<O=0B}R=03=03=03zô@Ru=03}R=03=19n=03R=03=0B=0BtOO=03R=03O=
=03R=19=03R=03O=03=0Bnä=03=03=03R=03O=03R=19=03R=03O=03=0Bnä=0B
>>=0B
>>tOO=03R=03=19=03=03RãyR=0Bnä=03=03=03R=03=19=03=03RãyR=0B=0BtOO=03O=
=03Q=03n=03RR=19uO=03=0BnôO=03=03=03R=03=19=03=03=0B=03<=03RyOnR>=0B=0B
>>tOO=03=03RQR=19=03R=03=03R@=0Bnä=03=03=03=03RQR=19=03R=03=03R@=0Bnä=0B=
>=03Ou=0Bnä=03=03=03ô@=03O


Now I know that the corruption was not caused by AutoShare. The mails 
became corrupted on my ISP's mailserver.

I just wanted to let you know that you don't have to be afraid...

HOnza
--

If you are crazy enough, look at http://www.appleklub.cz/~koudelka/

Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:36:32 +0100
From: Jochen Haeberle <listen at MIDRAS dot de>
Subject: Re: More Vacation List woes

Sorry about the late reply,... but I was moving my mail server so 
your mail from monday arrieved here on wednesday...

  At 9:36 Uhr -0600 22.11.1999, Chuck Boody wrote:
>          Reply to:   More Vacation List woes
>Well, as the adds used to say "Progress is our most important product."
>
>Repeated bounces of on and off messages to the automated "vacation" 
>account were caused by leaving the bounce account turned off. 
>Either the need to have it on is not in the documentation or I 
>overlooked it (probably the latter).


Probably not ;-) As I wrote this I was not aware of what you found 
out (it still is new to me :)
You were right about the former error, too. I should have said that 
the fodler for each user has to be in the configured "docs" folder. 
As I had those problems with v 4.1 this fact stroke me hard when 
reading the text again after a while...

>So, now there are no vacation messages looping.
>But (the other shoe), messages sent to the test account I am using 
>always generate a vacation notice....even though I have sent a 
>message to "vacation" telling it to turn off vacation notices from 
>the test account.
>Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I thought the idea of the automated 
>vacation "on-off" was to be able to set up some accounts so that 
>they were ready to go for vacations at any time (that is copies of 
>the messages were always sent to "Filed Mail.")  Then, I assumed, if 
>the vacation notices were turned on the sender would get the 
>vacation notice.  And, of course, if the vacation notice were turned 
>off the message placed in "filed Mail" would just be dumped.  Am I 
>incorrect? Do I actually need to manually reset the EIMS account 
>whenever the vacation period is over?  The filter file for the test 
>account is set to "From: @" after a message to turn off vacation 
>processing is sent.  That is, I think, correct. But....... Now what??
>
>There's another problem too, though that is just a little one.  My 
>reading of the documentation indicated that the vacation script 
>invoked the "one notice" feature of the vacation service.  That is, 
>a sending person would only receive one message from a vacation 
>account, not one each time they sent a message.  I checked the 
>filters folder and the test account filter is set to  ***** by a 
>"vacation on" message.  That should invoke the one notice, but the 
>sending person still gets repeated messages, and their e-mail 
>address is never added to the test account file in the filter 
>folder.  Annoying, but secondary to the problem described above.

I am facing exactly the same situation after upgrading from a working 
v 3.0.3 to 4.1. 3.0.3 (3.0.4b) was the version I was able to get this 
working with the help of Michael, which led to the documentation. 
With 4.1 unfortunately this has screwd up totally :-(

Jochen


Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:08:06 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Need hep with filters

At 20:55 -0500 11/23/99, Carter Bing wrote:

>	I have a list that I created and I am trying to set the filter to
>kill any messages with a certain Subject to test things out I created a
>text file named after the list, which is Beat-L, and on the first line I
>placed the following:
>
>Subject: Fish

So far, so good. The text document must reside in your filters 
folder, and you also need to tell AutoShare where that folder is, see 
the Preferences -> Folder menu selection (Command-F), then use the 
select button by the Filter folder.

[I'm most away this Thanksgiving, enjoy the holidays!]


Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:03:43 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: More Vacation List woes

At 13:36 +0100 11/24/99, Jochen Haeberle wrote:

>>I checked the filters folder and the test account filter is set to 
>>***** by a "vacation on" message.  That should invoke the one 
>>notice, but the sending person still gets repeated messages, and 
>>their e-mail address is never added to the test account file in the 
>>filter folder.  Annoying, but secondary to the problem described 
>>above.
>
>I am facing exactly the same situation after upgrading from a 
>working v 3.0.3 to 4.1. 3.0.3 (3.0.4b) was the version I was able to 
>get this working with the help of Michael, which led to the 
>documentation. With 4.1 unfortunately this has screwd up totally :-(

It does indeed look like a one-notice-only enabled filter file still 
updates the address, but now does not kill the message. I'll look 
into filter-related stuff this weekend. Thanks for pointing it out.


Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:53:17 +0100
From: Jochen Haeberle <listen at MIDRAS dot de>
Subject: Re: More Vacation List woes

At 9:03 Uhr -0800 24.11.1999, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 13:36 +0100 11/24/99, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>
>>>I checked the filters folder and the test account filter is set to 
>>>***** by a "vacation on" message.  That should invoke the one 
>>>notice, but the sending person still gets repeated messages, and 
>>>their e-mail address is never added to the test account file in 
>>>the filter folder.  Annoying, but secondary to the problem 
>>>described above.
>>
>>I am facing exactly the same situation after upgrading from a 
>>working v 3.0.3 to 4.1. 3.0.3 (3.0.4b) was the version I was able 
>>to get this working with the help of Michael, which led to the 
>>documentation. With 4.1 unfortunately this has screwd up totally :-(
>
>It does indeed look like a one-notice-only enabled filter file still 
>updates the address, but now does not kill the message. I'll look 
>into filter-related stuff this weekend. Thanks for pointing it out.

Thanks for agreeing with me. Additionally, an account saving mails to 
the Save Mail folder will auto-reply, whatever is in the 
corresponding filter file. Especially a From: @ will not help.

Jochen


Date: 24 Nov 99 16:24:36 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: More Vacation List woes

         Reply to:   Re: More Vacation List woes
Mikael's response should solve my problem....

Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======

Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 13:36 +0100 11/24/99, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>
>>>I checked the filters folder and the test account filter is set to =
>>>***** by a "vacation on" message.  That should invoke the one =
>>>notice, but the sending person still gets repeated messages, and =
>>>their e-mail address is never added to the test account file in the =
>>>filter folder.  Annoying, but secondary to the problem described =
>>>above.
>>
>>I am facing exactly the same situation after upgrading from a =
>>working v 3.0.3 to 4.1. 3.0.3 (3.0.4b) was the version I was able to =
>>get this working with the help of Michael, which led to the =
>>documentation. With 4.1 unfortunately this has screwd up totally :-(
>
>It does indeed look like a one-notice-only enabled filter file still =
>updates the address, but now does not kill the message. I'll look =
>into filter-related stuff this weekend. Thanks for pointing it out.
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:59:42 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 4.1.1d2 uploaded

The partial 4.1.1d2 archive has been uploaded to
   <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>
The latest complete archive (4.1) is at
   <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/>
The AutoShare post-release notes web page has been updated
   <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/postrelease/>

4.1.1d2 fixes a bug causing filtered files not to be killed. The bug 
was introduced in the last few days before the 4.1 release in my 
silly and "harmless" attempt to clean up some code.

4.1.1d2 also adds a number of enhancements to automated bouncing.

Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:47:29 -0500
From: Carter Bing <carter at drum.ncat dot edu>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 4.1.1d2 uploaded

Greetings,

	Would the bug prevent my filters from not working as I explained
the set-up that I had to you?

			Carter
"He was one of God's prototypes, not meant for mass productions.
	To weird to live, to rare to die...."
			Hunter S. Thompson

Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:18:41 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Remote review

At 11:38 +0100 11/24/99, HOnza Koudelka wrote:

>Hi all! Do you remember my problem? It's solved...

>Now I know that the corruption was not caused by AutoShare. The 
>mails became corrupted on my ISP's mailserver.
>
>I just wanted to let you know that you don't have to be afraid...

Good to hear! Positive feedback helps out a lot :-)


Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:20:06 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Looping Messages

At 15:50 -0600 11/23/99, Chuck Boody wrote:

>I'll try to get that for you next week some time.

Thanks. Much appreciated.


Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:22:07 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: EIMS 3.0b1 and AS4.1

At 09:29 +0100 11/24/99, Detlef Beyer wrote:

>maybe I missed this subject - will AS run with the new Eudora Mail 
>Server 3 (http://eudora.qualcomm.com/betas/)?

Yes. Quite happily, I'd say.


Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:24:58 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 4.1.1d2 uploaded

At 08:47 -0500 11/27/99, Carter Bing wrote:

>	Would the bug prevent my filters from not working as I explained
>the set-up that I had to you?

Inasmuch as the bug causes filtered files not to be killed, I'd say yes :-)

If anyone has filter-related problems using 4.1.1d2, please (re)post.


Date: 29 Nov 99 14:58:48 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: AutoShare 4.1.1d2 available by mail

         Reply to:   AutoShare 4.1.1d2 available by mail
Autoshare 4.4.1d2 available by mail

Send a message to

mailit at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us

with =

Autoshare 4.4.1d2

in the subject line.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======

Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 08:47 -0500 11/27/99, Carter Bing wrote:
>
>>	Would the bug prevent my filters from not working as I explained
>>the set-up that I had to you?
>
>Inasmuch as the bug causes filtered files not to be killed, I'd say yes :-=
)
>
>If anyone has filter-related problems using 4.1.1d2, please (re)post.
>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:19:59 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 4.1.1d3 uploaded

Just to let you know that 4.1.1d3 was uploaded last night to
   <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>
4.1.1d3 offers a minor enhancement to the automated bouncing, 
catching some bounce messages that would not otherwise be parsed 
properly.

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:25:41 +0100
From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Subject: AutoShare, Eims and W*

Hi,

In case I have AutoShare and EIMS running on 1 machine and W* on another.
In case I would like web archives on the machine running W*.
Is it just a matter of mounting the HD of the W* machine on the AS-EIMS
machine and pointing to the right path, giving the right URL to the
webarchives folder in the list window of AS Admin ?
Or is this totally wrong ?
TIA,

Giedo De Snijder

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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:29:05 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare, Eims and W*

At 09:25 +0100 11/30/99, Giedo De Snijder wrote:

>In case I have AutoShare and EIMS running on 1 machine and W* on another.
>In case I would like web archives on the machine running W*.
>Is it just a matter of mounting the HD of the W* machine on the AS-EIMS
>machine and pointing to the right path, giving the right URL to the
>webarchives folder in the list window of AS Admin ?
>Or is this totally wrong ?

A valid folder path in the Web Path field (Admin, Cmd-L, List button) 
across an AppleTalk network, even over IP in Mac OS 9.0, works 
nicely. It is relatively safe and fast to do, as the automated web 
archives primarily pick up the already formatted html files in the 
local standard archives folder. And if the AutoShare/EIMS box can't 
see the WebSTAR box when a given list contribution is processed and 
archives are updated, the web archives will simply be ignored at that 
time and catch up fully the next time there's a chance.

Admins who haven't tried automated web archives may also want to look 
at the Format field for the standard archives (Admin, Cmd-M) and the 
Web Archives field (Admin, Cmd-J).


Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:42:11 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 4.1.1d3 uploaded

At 1:19 PM -0800 on 11/29/99, Mikael Hansen wrote:


> Just to let you know that 4.1.1d3 was uploaded last night to
>    <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>
> 4.1.1d3 offers a minor enhancement to the automated bouncing,
> catching some bounce messages that would not otherwise be parsed
> properly.
>
>
Also mirrored at http://www.pascal-central.com/autoshare/beta
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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:45:46 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Easy way to toggle lists On/Off?

Is there a built-in mechanism for turning lists on and off?  That would be
a cool feature.  Currently, when I want to disable a list, I take all the
files in the DOCS and LS folders for that list, and move them somewhere
else.  To turn the list back on, I simply move the files back into place.
Is there (could there) be a better way?

Cheers,
Bill
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:59:29 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Easy way to toggle lists On/Off?

At 09:45 -0800 12/1/99, Camelot Administrator wrote:

>Is there a built-in mechanism for turning lists on and off?

If you drag the file, whose name matches the list, out of the List 
Server folder, you're in essence telling AutoShare that it is not a 
valid list.


Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:37:05 +0100
From: Mats Anderling <mand2 at licr.ki dot se>
Subject: Messages not delivered

I am running Autoshare 4.0 and EIMS 1.3.1 and need some help.
One subscriber does not receive messages sent trough Autoshare. 
Instead they end up at her postmasters account. However if I send a 
mail to her directly, she receives it correctly.
The only odd thing i can see is her address which is of the form:

first.middlename.lastname at domain dot org (5+11+5 characters before the @-sign)

Is this a legal address (with two dots)?

--
Mats Anderling

Ludwig Institute For Cancer Research, Stockholm Branch

http://www.licr.ki.se

Date: 02 Dec 99 11:22:17 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Error in Vacation Preprocessor AppleScript.

I Have figured out what is wrong with my use of the vacation accounts. =
There was an error in the "Before Processing" AppleScript in the vacation =
example included with version 4.1.  Here's the description of the problem =
and my solution: =

I set up an automated vacation notice system as described in the "vacation"=
folder inside the "before processing folder" which is in the "Sample =
Process Extenders" folder with the documentation for Autoshare 4.1.

Messages to the "Vacation" account would correctly return messages or =
change the vacation message of the test account.  However, turning on =
vacation notices created a filter in the filter folder with an incorrect =
account name.  My test account name is "justa_test" and the filter file =
that was created was named "justa."  When Autoshare processed the mail it =
did not see the filter because the filter name (justa) did not match the =
account name (justa_test).  Every attempt to send a message to the test =
account results in a vacation message response.

 This happens because in the Applescript it says:

set vUser to first word of kRFCFromAddress -- user name of sender

So, the filter is named to *the first word* of the address, and not to the =
part of the address that preceeds the @ sign.  The underscore in the =
address name marks the end of a word in applescript.  =

I changed that line to these lines:

set savedTextDelimiter to AppleScript's text item delimiters
	set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {"@"}
	set vUser to the first text item of kRFCFromAddress -- user name of =
sender
	set AppleScript's text item delimiters to savedTextDelimiter

Now the username is correctly everything up to the @ sign, and everything =
works as advertised.

Mikeal, you might want to update this script in the materials you send out.=



Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======


Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:22:52 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Messages not delivered

At 11:37 +0100 12/2/99, Mats Anderling wrote:

>I am running Autoshare 4.0 and EIMS 1.3.1 and need some help.
>One subscriber does not receive messages sent trough Autoshare. 
>Instead they end up at her postmasters account.

If by messages you mean list contributions posted by others, you may 
want to see if her e-mail address appears in the <list>.m file (or 
<list>.d if she is on digest). If so, it may be EIMS 1.3.1 sending 
the message or the mail server receiving the message.


Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:17:19 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Error in Vacation Preprocessor AppleScript.

At 11:22 -0600 12/2/99, Chuck Boody wrote:

>So, the filter is named to *the first word* of the address, and not 
>to the part of the address that preceeds the @ sign.  The underscore 
>in the address name marks the end of a word in applescript.
>I changed that line to these lines:
>
>set savedTextDelimiter to AppleScript's text item delimiters
>	set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {"@"}
>	set vUser to the first text item of kRFCFromAddress -- user 
>name of sender
>	set AppleScript's text item delimiters to savedTextDelimiter
>
>Now the username is correctly everything up to the @ sign,

Nice going, Chuck :-) Your observation is sound.

>and everything works as advertised.

The AppleScript samples are actually "advertised" as imperfect 
drafts, "imperfect" in the sense that I have often kept them very 
simple to be easily understood by others, "drafts" in the sense that 
it is up to others to perfect and tailor them to the specific needs 
of these others, whose projects I however do welcome to be part of 
released archives :-)


Date: 03 Dec 99 10:06:00 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Error in Vacation Preprocessor AppleScript.

         Reply to:   Re: Error in Vacation Preprocessor AppleScript.
So, would you like a copy of my script to replace the one you were sending =
out??

Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======

Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 11:22 -0600 12/2/99, Chuck Boody wrote:
>
>>So, the filter is named to *the first word* of the address, and not =
>>to the part of the address that preceeds the @ sign.  The underscore =
>>in the address name marks the end of a word in applescript.
>>I changed that line to these lines:
>>
>>set savedTextDelimiter to AppleScript's text item delimiters
>>	set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {"@"}
>>	set vUser to the first text item of kRFCFromAddress -- user =
>>name of sender
>>	set AppleScript's text item delimiters to savedTextDelimiter
>>
>>Now the username is correctly everything up to the @ sign,
>
>Nice going, Chuck :-) Your observation is sound.
>
>>and everything works as advertised.
>
>The AppleScript samples are actually "advertised" as imperfect =
>drafts, "imperfect" in the sense that I have often kept them very =
>simple to be easily understood by others, "drafts" in the sense that =
>it is up to others to perfect and tailor them to the specific needs =
>of these others, whose projects I however do welcome to be part of =
>released archives :-)
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 10:55:24 -0800
From: Matthew Hill <happytwo at milepost1 dot com>
Subject: The "=" Character

HI
I have a list that when a message is sent it displays "=".  This I think is
the line breaks.
I remember seeing this before.  But i can not remember what i did to fix
it.
any ideas?
Matthew




Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:11:48 -0500
Subject: EIMS 3.0b2
From: David Shauger <dave at tinymind dot com>

Hello!

I just wanted to check if Autoshare works with the new EIMS 3.0b2 before I
try to install it on my mail server.

Thanks!


Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:14:26 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Error in Vacation Preprocessor AppleScript.

At 10:06 -0600 12/3/99, Chuck Boody wrote:

>So, would you like a copy of my script to replace the one you were 
>sending out??

Your project wouldn't replace my sample, but be put in a separate 
folder named after you, as has been done in other such script cases. 
Admins like to see how other admins conduct live projects, so it is 
greatly appreciated.


Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:08:08 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: The "=" Character

At 10:55 -0800 12/5/99, Matthew Hill wrote:

>I have a list that when a message is sent it displays "=".  This I think is
>the line breaks.
>I remember seeing this before.  But i can not remember what i did to fix
>it.
>any ideas?

It's a MIME thing and may happen once in a blue moon. If it happens 
more than that, drop me a message file from the Filed Mail folder, 
and I can look into it.


Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:32:51 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: EIMS 3.0b2

At 14:11 -0500 12/5/99, David Shauger wrote:

>I just wanted to check if Autoshare works with the new EIMS 3.0b2 before I
>try to install it on my mail server.

It works just fine!


Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 15:14:39 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Easy way to toggle lists On/Off?

At 7:59 PM -0800 on 12/1/99, Mikael Hansen wrote:


> At 09:45 -0800 12/1/99, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>
> >Is there a built-in mechanism for turning lists on and off?
>
> If you drag the file, whose name matches the list, out of the List
> Server folder, you're in essence telling AutoShare that it is not a
> valid list.
>

I know... but how about a checkbox that automates this?  It's a minor want
which would make life nicer, certainly not a major need.  :)
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:46:24 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Easy way to toggle lists On/Off?

At 15:14 -0800 12/6/99, Camelot Administrator wrote:

>  > If you drag the file, whose name matches the list, out of the List
>  > Server folder, you're in essence telling AutoShare that it is not a
>  > valid list.
>  >
>
>I know... but how about a checkbox that automates this?  It's a minor want
>which would make life nicer, certainly not a major need.  :)

This touches on an important topic. Why the occasional reluctance by 
admins to use the Finder, which to end-users is labeled as the 
world's most user-friendly OS? When items are deleted from the 
Control Strip, the Mac OS Help tells you to drag the respective items 
out of the Control Strip Modules folder, inside the System Folder no 
less. Must it be even easier to busy server admins than it is to 
client users, because the admins have, well, such little time?

Maybe it's all merely about focus. The Location Manager as an example 
offers an umbrella, which embraces such configuration tools as the 
TCP/IP, Remote Access, AppleTalk and Modem control panels. And that's 
a very nice way of doing it. These control panels are still 
individual applications though, and the real work still takes place 
there. Nothing really wrong about that though. Remember when Find was 
an organic part of the OS. Then it became an application, and now we 
have Sherlock, heck even Sherlock 2!

The file and folder structure of the Finder illustrates what it's all 
about. If we expect the Finder to tell us what is best for each of 
us, it won't. It's up to our individual needs. But the Finder is so 
well-designed, so that our personal imagination can easily 
materialize, if only we'll do our modest part. No computer can 
automate that for us.


Date: 07 Dec 99 08:19:28 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Easy way to toggle lists On/Off?

         Reply to:   Re: Easy way to toggle lists On/Off?
What Mikael says is definitely true.  But if what he means to imply is =
that a checkbox to turn lists off should not be added I have to =
respectfully disagree.  I do think it would be a good (though minor) =
addition to a fine product.  It could even be handled by Applescript =
through the Administrator.  Just create an "offline" folder (or some such) =
and when the checkbox is checked move the appropriate file to the offline =
folder.  Then when it is unchecked move it back to the proper folder.  =
Seems to me that approach would minimize the impact on AutoShare itself....=
.

Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======

Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 15:14 -0800 12/6/99, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>
>>  > If you drag the file, whose name matches the list, out of the List
>>  > Server folder, you're in essence telling AutoShare that it is not a
>>  > valid list.
>>  >
>>
>>I know... but how about a checkbox that automates this?  It's a minor =
want
>>which would make life nicer, certainly not a major need.  :)
>
>This touches on an important topic. Why the occasional reluctance by =
>admins to use the Finder, which to end-users is labeled as the =
>world's most user-friendly OS? When items are deleted from the =
>Control Strip, the Mac OS Help tells you to drag the respective items =
>out of the Control Strip Modules folder, inside the System Folder no =
>less. Must it be even easier to busy server admins than it is to =
>client users, because the admins have, well, such little time?
>
>Maybe it's all merely about focus. The Location Manager as an example =
>offers an umbrella, which embraces such configuration tools as the =
>TCP/IP, Remote Access, AppleTalk and Modem control panels. And that's =
>a very nice way of doing it. These control panels are still =
>individual applications though, and the real work still takes place =
>there. Nothing really wrong about that though. Remember when Find was =
>an organic part of the OS. Then it became an application, and now we =
>have Sherlock, heck even Sherlock 2!
>
>The file and folder structure of the Finder illustrates what it's all =
>about. If we expect the Finder to tell us what is best for each of =
>us, it won't. It's up to our individual needs. But the Finder is so =
>well-designed, so that our personal imagination can easily =
>materialize, if only we'll do our modest part. No computer can =
>automate that for us.
>
>
>
>**  The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
>**  <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/>
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:48:55 +0100
From: Jochen Haeberle <listen at MIDRAS dot de>
Subject: Moving Lists to new preferences set - how??

Hi,

I would like to move some of my active lists to new preference set I 
have to create. Is there any problem concerned with this??

I already installed lists in a seperate preference set before, but 
from scratch. I copied all of the AutoShare folders (Filed Mail, 
Documents, Filters,...) and pointed AutoShare and the corresponding 
EIMS accounts to the new folders. Is this recomended/neccessary? Or 
only when lists exist over several pref sets that have the same name?

Jochen

Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:07:18 +0100
From: Jochen Haeberle <listen at MIDRAS dot de>
Subject: Re: Easy way to toggle lists On/Off?

At 21:46 Uhr -0800 06.12.1999, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 15:14 -0800 12/6/99, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>
>>  > If you drag the file, whose name matches the list, out of the List
>>  > Server folder, you're in essence telling AutoShare that it is not a
>>  > valid list.
>>  >
>>
>>I know... but how about a checkbox that automates this?  It's a minor want
>>which would make life nicer, certainly not a major need.  :)
>
>This touches on an important topic. Why the occasional reluctance by 
>admins to use the Finder, which to end-users is labeled as the 
>world's most user-friendly OS? When items are deleted from the 
>Control Strip, the Mac OS Help tells you to drag the respective 
>items out of the Control Strip Modules folder, inside the System 
>Folder no less. Must it be even easier to busy server admins than it 
>is to client users, because the admins have, well, such little time?

The most important reaseon, at least for me, is the fact that a 
server si something completely different from a client machine.

This fact is even more stressed by the fact, that my servers are 
colocated miles away from my location. So it's just not a fact of not 
wanting to use the Finder, all work to be done should take place on a 
secure, safe and fast remote way. Configuring AutoShare over the 
Internet using Timbuktu really is no fun. I am not sure what's the 
culprit, but the combination has often crashed me Mac during 
configuration work.

With MacOs 9, we're nearing the possibility of AutoShare Admin beeing 
able to connect from somewhere else, although I am not so sure this 
is a good idea or would work reliable or even secure... AutoShare 
Admin has timing problems rather often when run locally...

please consider this as well...

Jochen


Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:59:19 +0100
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Easy way to toggle lists On/Off?

>This touches on an important topic. Why the occasional reluctance by
>admins to use the Finder, which to end-users is labeled as the
>world's most user-friendly OS?

That is right, but...

>When items are deleted from the
>Control Strip, the Mac OS Help tells you to drag the respective
>items out of the Control Strip Modules folder, inside the System
>Folder no less.

But didn't Apple decide to add Extensions Manager to their "most 
user-friendly OS?

I think the Finder interface is not supposed to be a way for turning 
things on and off. To turn on/off some specific feature of some 
specific software, you *should* have a checkbox in a preferences 
dialog of that specific software.

Yes, users are instructed to move Control Strip Modules out of their 
folder. But that *is* consistent with the fact that some visible 
objects are being removed from your screen (particularly from the 
control strip).

Turning mailing lists on/off is something else. It's just like 
enabling/disabling e-mail accounts in EIMS, or enabling/disabling 
users in File Sharing control panel.

Checkbox is also a safe way for turning lists on and off. If the 
checkbox is a default way for doing that, you don't have to worry 
about removing the list files in a bad time (i.e. when they are just 
being updated).

It's a similar issue as editing lists via Admin versus editin the 
list files directly. I will always prefer using Admin, because *that* 
is the cleaner way.

Another example. Imagine you create a standalone application. What is 
the prefered way for editing its preferences? Providing a dialog box 
in the application, or editing the preferences file with some text or 
resource editor? The latter is mostly used on Unix, but the former is 
the prefered way on Macintosh.

HOnza
--

If you are crazy enough, look at http://www.appleklub.cz/~koudelka/

Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:51:59 -0500
From: Claude Errera <errera at bungie dot org>
Subject: Help: combining functionalities...

Okay, I may just be being slow here, but I'm not finding the info
I need in the docs, so I thought I'd ask the list.

I'd like to set up a subscribable-to auto-responder. (Does that
make sense?)

Basically, there are three files, all updated weekly or so. What we'd
like is to set up a mechanism by which folks could come and get the
latest version (auto-responder) of any of the three docs... or subscribe
themselves to a list that mails out the new docs as they're updated
(listserver). Now, if there were a way to control the name of archived
files (that I could find ;) ), we could just run it as an announcement
list, with new versions of the docs overwriting old in the archives
folder. I'm not sure this is possible, though.

The other option (which means two addresses) is to set up an announce
list, and an auto-responder. Is this really my best option?

Thanks for any help,
-- 
Claude
errera at bungie dot org

Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:02:30 +0100
From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Subject: The content-type in AS dispatched messages

Hi,

I admit I should know this one but I don't.
A list member composes a message in his Mac-Eudora client with styled 
content (text/enriched) and sends it to a AS list.
How to configure AS to process the messages properly (in respect to 
the right content-type) ?
For the moment I get such messages from AS with encoding errors.
When I configure my Eudora client to send styled mail with 
text/enriched and when sending mail with applied fonts & styles to 
send it both plain & styled, I get it back from the list with 
encoding errors and it looks like this :
...... First part odf header information ....
.....
Content-Type: text/plain
Message-Id: <520683535228331869290 at abitmore dot be>

--============_-1267436607==_ma============
Content-Type: text/plain; charsetso-8859-1" ; formatlowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

AppleDouble 2
Send text/enriched - plain &styled both

--============_-1267436607==_ma============
Content-Type: text/enriched; charsetso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<bold><underline>AppleDouble 2

Send text/enriched - plain &styled both</underline></bold>


--============_-1267436607==_ma============--


A Win-email client sees this :


--============_-1267446442==_ma======
3D======
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

AplleDouble 2 
Send text/enriched - plain &styled both

Is there anyone out there who can point me to the right configuration 
of the Content-Type and Content-Transfer-Encoding fields ?
Thank you for your time and help.



Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:11:25 +0100
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Help: combining functionalities...

>The other option (which means two addresses) is to set up an announce
>list, and an auto-responder. Is this really my best option?

If you turn on archiving and make the list "open" for people who are 
not subscribed, then you get exactly what you want. Sunscribed people 
will get all announces, and anybody will be able to request archived 
messages.

Does this make sense?

HOnza
--

If you are crazy enough, look at http://www.appleklub.cz/~koudelka/

Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:31:32 -0500
From: Claude Errera <errera at bungie dot org>
Subject: Re: Help: combining functionalities...

Recently, HOnza Koudelka wrote:


>>The other option (which means two addresses) is to set up an announce
>>list, and an auto-responder. Is this really my best option?
>
>If you turn on archiving and make the list "open" for people who are 
>not subscribed, then you get exactly what you want. Sunscribed 
>people will get all announces, and anybody will be able to request 
>archived messages.
>
>Does this make sense?

Yes, but the names are wrong. (Archived files are called "Archive-date.html",
and I want them to be called "somefaq", someotherfaq", "somethirdfaq".)

Also, the archive pages are cumulative... but I want the current posting
to overwrite the old one. (So when "someotherfaq" gets updated, and mailed
out, it overwrites its predecessor in the Archives folder, keeping the
original name.)

Again, it's looking like this isn't automatable. :( (That is, not with a
simple, out-of-the-box configuration. And my applescript skills aren't
up to the full automation.)

Guess it's two setups after all... :(
-- 
Claude
errera at bungie dot org

Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:25:44 +0100
From: Jochen Haeberle <listen at MIDRAS dot de>
Subject: Partial digest when digning on

Hi,

how can I suppress the sending of a partial digest when someone signs 
up to my Announcement list???

Jochen

Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:08:00 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Help: combining functionalities...

At 10:51 -0500 12/8/99, Claude Errera wrote:

>I'd like to set up a subscribable-to auto-responder. (Does that
>make sense?)
>
>Basically, there are three files, all updated weekly or so. What we'd
>like is to set up a mechanism by which folks could come and get the
>latest version (auto-responder) of any of the three docs... or subscribe
>themselves to a list that mails out the new docs as they're updated
>(listserver). Now, if there were a way to control the name of archived
>files (that I could find ;) ), we could just run it as an announcement
>list, with new versions of the docs overwriting old in the archives
>folder. I'm not sure this is possible, though.
>
>The other option (which means two addresses) is to set up an announce
>list, and an auto-responder. Is this really my best option?

First from a task perspective. You would like to turn the task of 
replacing a document in a folder and the subsequent administrative 
task of sending a mail to the subscribers into one combined task. You 
would also like for the subscribers to turn the task of receiving a 
mail announcing an updated document and the subsequent task of 
sending a mail getting this document into one combined task. If I 
read your message correctly, it would furthermore be ideal to turn 
each of these two combined tasks into a single combined task.

Then from the perspective of combining functionalities. It would 
appear to be a candidate for a folder action AppleScript. You drop a 
file in a folder, and an action is triggered. The script can include 
AutoShare's File Mail command to create a message file in the Filed 
Mail folder. This command is at this time somewhat limited in several 
ways.

One consideration is that the default recipient for the File Mail 
command is the list server address and not, say, an announcement list 
address. One could try to work around this by using the SetRFC and 
SetRes commands to update the message file's RFC To and envelope 
recipient to reflect the announcement list. Realizing that AutoShare 
is likely to begin processing the message file before these 
subsequent AppleScript commands kick in, one could even try to 
disable temporarily and later reenable the processing mode by 
throwing in a wrapper using the SetStat command twice. But that's 
probably taking it too far, and it is most likely better, certainly 
simpler, to have a new property added to the File Mail command, which 
can specify the recipient (as seen in the Send Mail command).

Another consideration is that such a message may be trapped by a 
mail-back, which is targeted to prevent others from using your 
listmaster address for the announcement list. The File Mail command 
may need an option to override this.

Inserting the needed text document into the message body may require 
another property in the File Mail command (also as seen in the Send 
Mail command). Using  the header or footer with aliases for this may 
work. I'm not sure.

What do you think?


Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:59:58 -0500
From: Ricardo Davis <ricardo at ustaxpayers dot org>
Subject: Error -2700?

I'm getting the following error message in the AutoShare Admin app 
when clicking on the List button in the Lists window:

"An error occurred while executing the list of <<class LIST>> 
"lists":  Most likely too many subscribers.  Please adjust the From 
and Count values. (-2700)"

Now the $64 question:  Where do I adjust the values?


-Ricardo