Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:54:59 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Multi-language feature
>At 17:53 +0200 7/2/98, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>
>>Then just using a token /=lang <filename> would switch AutoShare from
>>using application resources to use resources in the file <filename>
>>in the Languages folder.
>
>Replacing selected resource strings at start-up is a good idea.
You mean at application start-up? But that does not solve the problem. I
can do the same by editing the application with ResEdit. But, this does not
allow AutoShare to use one language for one list, and another language for
another list.
HOnza
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:30:44 -0400
From: Cris Mooney <cmooney at jumpdev dot com>
Subject: AutoResponse 31 char filename ending in ' ' is "BAD"
Heads-Up:
Ouch. Tough day. There goes another 5 hours. Fortunately, I know it would
have taken many more days to write AutoShare, than figure out the source of
this one problem. And I do appreciate AutoShare.
AutoShare 2.3, generic installation, PowerPC, OS 8.1.
Category: AutoResponse (Subject ?= Filename) matching
Topic: Trailing spaces in the Filename
Discoveries (for filename matching):
1) Aliases for filenames - works OK.
2) "-" in a filename matches ":" in subject - works OK.
3) Trailing spaces are NOT eliminated from the filename.
4) Trailing spaces are eliminated from the subject.
5) For subjects over 31 characters, trailing spaces
are removed AND THEN the first up to 31 remaining
characters are used.
Problem: If the 31st character of a subject is a space
which is followed by non-spaces, then the
matching filename must be 31 characters
ending in a space (#3 & #5 above).
THIS WILL DO "BAD" THINGS TO AUTOSHARE.
Example:
Subject: "123456789012345678901234567890 More Long Subject"
FileName: "123456789012345678901234567890 " (Required to match)
Results vary...
Results with extensions disabled (VM Off):
AUTOSHARE CONSISTENTLY GENERATES EMPTY REPLY
The reply header is sent, with no body. The Response
file was apparently matched, but contents not used. So,
sender gets back a message with their own subject and
no body.
Results with extensions and VM enabled:
AUTOSHARE FREQUENTLY HANGS.
A file appears in the "AutoShare Temp" folder, and the
original message remains in the "File Mail" folder.
AutoShare will task switch, and its menus pull down,
but the menus items do nothing when selected (including
quit). You may be able to force quit, and remove the
"AutoShare Temp" and "File Mail" files, and restart
autoshare, though I almost always had to hard restart
since foce quit did nothing.
If it would be desirable, I would examine the source code for file name
matching and see if I can provide a solution to aid in development...and,
of course, add some simple pattern matching :)
Regards,
Cris Mooney
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:59:02 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Multi-language feature
At 16:54 +0200 7/7/98, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>>Replacing selected resource strings at start-up is a good idea.
>But, this does not allow AutoShare to use one language for one list,
>and another language for another list.
I see. Your on-the-fly /=lang token is targeted at the feedback of the core
token (e.g. /=sub in the sub document) and fetches given string(s) from a
given file. Noted.
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:54:49 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoResponse 31 char filename ending in ' ' is "BAD"
At 11:30 -0400 7/7/98, Cris Mooney wrote:
>Topic: Trailing spaces in the Filename
>Problem: If the 31st character of a subject is a space
> which is followed by non-spaces, then the
> matching filename must be 31 characters
> ending in a space (#3 & #5 above).
> THIS WILL DO "BAD" THINGS TO AUTOSHARE.
>
>Example:
>
> Subject: "123456789012345678901234567890 More Long Subject"
> FileName: "123456789012345678901234567890 " (Required to match)
A bug indeed. The alias resolving code pleads guilty to removing the
trailing space (which it now no longer does). A loop takes place as the
following code thinks the file exists, but will never reach the end of the
file because the file doesn't exist...
Thanks for pointing this out, Chris. I'll send you a test version.
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:35:01 -0700
From: Patrick Clark <pjc at tulgeywood dot com>
Subject: Poll key strings
The docs say:
>A set of pre-defined key strings may be attached to a poll. When
>an invalid key string is encountered, AutoShare returns a note to
>the sender asking for another try.
I can't make this work. Even after I create a poll file with several key
string STR resources, non-matching string content is still accepted as a
vote for that content. I haven't been able to generate "try again"
response".
Hints?
Regards,
Patrick
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:52:05 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Poll key strings
At 21:35 -0700 7/7/98, Patrick Clark wrote:
>I can't make this work. Even after I create a poll file with several key
>string STR resources, non-matching string content is still accepted as a
>vote for that content. I haven't been able to generate "try again"
>response".
>
>Hints?
'STR#' or 'STR '? Key strings are of the latter type.
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:57:49 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 2.4b4
Version 2.4b4 has been uploaded to
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
and also sent to the mirror sites for uploading.
2.4b4 fixes a few recently discussed bugs, adds subject field support for
mail-backs and updates the html file in some places (in part due to Chris,
whom we are likely to hear more from in this respect!).
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:47:47 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 2.4b4 mirror
US Web mirror is now up at:
http://pascal-central.com/beta/AutoShare2.4b4.sit
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:06:01 -0800
From: Milo Sharp <milo at arcus dot org>
Subject: Adding subscribers manually
I'm migrating a list with close to 2000 subscribers over to
Autoshare. Since I already have the list of subscribers in text format, it
would be much easier to simply paste it into the Autoshare list file,
rather than manually subscribing each one via email or Autoshare Admin.
I've gotten the entries to show up in the list, and I discovered by
adding " (..4)" to each line, it would set them all to no post status
automatically (it's a moderated list). My problem now is that the
Autoshare Admin application won't allow me to view the entire list of
subscribers. It truncates the list at line 1387, and gives me this error:
An error occurred while executing the script of <<class LIST>> "lists":
Unable to set some data because -11019. (-11019)
The data all seems to be there, because a "review" command lists
all 1900. Perhaps this is a limitation or bug in Autoshare Admin. I'd be
happy to provide the list if necessary for debugging purposes.
Also, will Autoshare automatically create the list.m and list.d
files, once I put the full list in, or will I have to paste the addresses
into those lists as well?
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:08:51 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Adding subscribers manually
At 16:06 -0800 7/8/98, Milo Sharp wrote:
> I'm migrating a list with close to 2000 subscribers over to
>Autoshare. Since I already have the list of subscribers in text format, it
>would be much easier to simply paste it into the Autoshare list file,
>rather than manually subscribing each one via email or Autoshare Admin.
That appears to be the preferred choice of those two options. You would
want AutoShare to be shut down at that time, and once you start it up, the
list file will be sorted automatically (increasing the Preferred memory
size for the AutoShare application temporarily may be needed).
Since you have the new subscribers in a properly formatted text file
(outside the List Server folder), you can also rename the name of the file
to that of the list (in the List Server folder) and then drag the file onto
the AutoShare server icon. See the section on "Drag and drop onto
AutoShare" in the documentation for doing so. As this procedure creates
subscription message files in the Filed Mail folder and also subscription
confirmation message files in the Incoming Mail folder, you may want to
have your mail server shut down at that time, delete the files in the
Incoming Mail folder once the AutoShare processing is complete and then
start up the mail server.
>My problem now is that the Autoshare Admin application won't allow me to
>view the entire list of subscribers. It truncates the list at line 1387,
>and gives me this error:
There can only be a given number of subscribers in memory. You would want
to adjust the From and To fields in the lower left part of the window. Do,
say, 1-500 first, then 501-1000 etc.
> Also, will Autoshare automatically create the list.m and list.d
>files, once I put the full list in
Yes.
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 13:46:51 +0100
Subject: AutoShare 2.4b4 beta now available at AutoShare-software at dcl.co dot uk
From: "James Berriman" <james at dcl.co dot uk>
The AutoShare 2.4b4 beta is now available by email from
AutoShare-software at dcl.co dot uk.
<mailto:AutoShare-software at dcl.co.uk?subject=AutoShare-2.4b4 dot sit>
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:34:22 +0100
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: 2.4b4 at UK mirror
AutoShare 2.4b4 is now available at
<http://www.dcl.co.uk/MacOS/email/autoshare/AutoShare-2.4b4.sit.bin>
( :-]) James
Date: 09 Jul 98 12:19:04 -0500
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: 2.4b4 by mail in US
Autoshare 2.4b4 is now available through mail request
send mail to =
mailit at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us
with "Autosharebeta" in the subject line.
Let me know if you have any trouble with this service
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us
=============
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:27:29 -0400
From: Cris Mooney <cmooney at jumpdev dot com>
Subject: This list's web archive, and any other examples
Hi:
I have been unable to locate the "Automated web archives" for this
list (autoshare-talk) for searching and general reading pleasure.
Are they available online somewhere?
If not, are there any other sites out there that have made use of
this feature?
Thanks,
Cris
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:24:22 -0400
From: Cris Mooney <cmooney at jumpdev dot com>
Subject: Apple Information Access Toolkit
Hi:
In the manual, under Rollover of archive files:
"www.cybertech.apple.com/Appleeg.html"
I think this is the thing now called the
"Apple Information Access Toolkit (AIAT) 1.0.1"
which is available at:
"http://developer.apple.com/sdk/"
Not knowing the new name, I had a hell of a time finding
this when I started looking for it a while back
(well before stumbling across it in AutoShare docs).
I haven't put the toolkit to use. Does anyone know of
anyone who has employed it to index pages for
searching as suggested?
Thanks,
Cris
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:59:50 -0400
From: John Irving <john at corexpress dot com>
Subject: Various questions
Hi,
I'm brand new to AutoShare so please pardon my ignorance. This is my first
stab at testing it with SIMS.
I have a few questions and would appreciate any help:
1. How can I change the default list server address from "autoshare@... "
to whatever. I'd really rather have the name relect the lists content
better (as opposed to the software name). I tried making a "@list_name"
directory in /System Folder/Preferences/AutoShare" and deleting the default
prefs but Autoshare recreated them. I really only need one listserve
running.
2. Can I change the default X-headers (I personally think there are too
many, or perhaps I'd make them part of the message footer so as to give a
higher visual priority to the message body.
3. I couldn't find documentation on all of the various Admin menu settings
("More miscellaneous", etc.). have I just overlooked them? Pointers
appreciated.
4. I wasn't able to run the AutoShare admin from another machine. Does file
sharing or program linking have to be turned on on the server (I thought it
might connect via TCP/IP?)?
5. I plan on writing a perl/html form interface for the list serve commands
(hosted on a remote Unix server) as most of our site users are
non-technical novices. Any pointers appreciated.
6. Late addition. My original message subject was "Default list server
address, etc." but it bounced back as a command even though the message was
addressed to the list(?). How many illegal words will cause this behaviour?
Can the list address and the command address be seperated somehow? Late
addition 2: "List" seems to be another offensive word.
I have some experience running LetterRip and I'm trying to compare it with
AutoShare. From what I remember, LetterRip can't run on the same machine as
SIMS (which is why I'm interested in Autoshare). I must admit, I find the
AutoShare documentation quite confusing, but I understand and appreciate
that it's freeware.
Thanks in advance,
John Irving
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:52:12 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Various questions
At 14:59 -0400 7/9/98, John Irving wrote:
>I'm brand new to AutoShare so please pardon my ignorance. This is my
>first stab at testing it with SIMS.
Thank you for writing at this time. I value feedback from users, whose
initial impressions are still fresh.
>I have a few questions and would appreciate any help:
>
>1. How can I change the default list server address from "autoshare@... "
>to whatever. I'd really rather have the name relect the lists content
>better (as opposed to the software name).
A different list server user name is not formally supported. To have
requests reflect your lists better, you can use -on/off addresses instead,
so that the list server address is not used directly. See the documentation
for the section on
Running the server
Running a list server
List server and list basics
Request addresses
>2. Can I change the default X-headers (I personally think there are too
>many, or perhaps I'd make them part of the message footer so as to give a
>higher visual priority to the message body.
You can suppress almost all of the X-header fields. See
Running the server
Running a list server
Miscellaneous features
List- and X- RFC fields
and also the balloon help for the Suppress RFC Headers field in the More
List window in the Admin (first Command-L, select list, then More List).
>3. I couldn't find documentation on all of the various Admin menu settings
>("More miscellaneous", etc.). have I just overlooked them? Pointers
>appreciated.
The documention shows some information in
Running the server
Interfaces
AutoShare Admin application
Menu selections
but mostly it's about using the Admin's balloon help.
>4. I wasn't able to run the AutoShare admin from another machine. Does file
>sharing or program linking have to be turned on on the server (I thought it
>might connect via TCP/IP?)?
It's scripting only, som program linking must be turned on. The
documentation offers some advice on setting this up.
Running the server
Interfaces
AutoShare scriptability
>5. I plan on writing a perl/html form interface for the list serve commands
>(hosted on a remote Unix server) as most of our site users are
>non-technical novices. Any pointers appreciated.
Others can help you out here, I'm sure :-)
>6. Late addition. My original message subject was "Default list server
>address, etc." but it bounced back as a command even though the message was
>addressed to the list(?). How many illegal words will cause this behaviour?
Generally any command match to the first word. You can disable this check
though. See
Moving on
Advanced features
Suppressing messages using filters
List server requests on lists
>Can the list address and the command address be seperated somehow? Late
>addition 2: "List" seems to be another offensive word.
The list address is always separate from the list server (command) address.
List is offensive because it is a command (but can be suppressed from being
offensive).
>I have some experience running LetterRip and I'm trying to compare it with
>AutoShare. From what I remember, LetterRip can't run on the same machine as
>SIMS (which is why I'm interested in Autoshare).
AutoShare has no built-in SMTP engine, so there's no conflict.
>I must admit, I find the AutoShare documentation quite confusing, but I
>understand and appreciate that it's freeware.
Time does play a significant role, I'm afraid. Suggestions are always
welcome though:-)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:52:55 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Apple Information Access Toolkit
At 14:24 -0400 7/9/98, Cris Mooney wrote:
>"www.cybertech.apple.com/Appleeg.html"
<http://www.cybertech.apple.com>
is still valid, but changes automatically to
<http://netfinder.cybertech.apple.com/netfinder/netfinder.acgi>
A search on e.g. does yield results though.
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:58:02 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: This list's web archive, and any other examples
At 14:27 -0400 7/9/98, Cris Mooney wrote:
>I have been unable to locate the "Automated web archives" for this
>list (autoshare-talk) for searching and general reading pleasure.
>Are they available online somewhere?
Right here:
>** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
>** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:18:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: Apple Information Access Toolkit (i.e. e.g.)
>Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:24:22 -0400
>From: Cris Mooney <cmooney at jumpdev dot com>
>Subject: Apple Information Access Toolkit
>In the manual, under Rollover of archive files:
>
>"www.cybertech.apple.com/Appleeg.html"
>
>I think this is the thing now called the
>"Apple Information Access Toolkit (AIAT) 1.0.1"
The V-Twin search engine employed by e.g. has been renamed to Apple
Information Access Toolkit (AIAT). e.g., AFAIK, is just an example program
that makes use of the technology... A way for Apple to show it off,
basically.
>which is available at:
>"http://developer.apple.com/sdk/"
>
>Not knowing the new name, I had a hell of a time finding
>this when I started looking for it a while back
>(well before stumbling across it in AutoShare docs).
>
>I haven't put the toolkit to use. Does anyone know of
>anyone who has employed it to index pages for
>searching as suggested?
I'm using Apple e.g. to allow users to search and then browse old digests
from two separate lists. It indexes the web archives created automatically
by AutoShare as well as the text-based digests saved by Macjordomo (which I
used prior to AutoShare; for these, it was necessary to add .txt to the
digest filenames to have them view in a web browser correctly). Because
e.g. is pretty basic, search results for both lists are presented together.
You may want to look into other AIAT based offerings, such as the search
engine available for Quid Pro Quo or WebSTAR. I know that Quid Pro Quo's
allows you to set up distinct search catalogs; I've never used WebSTAR's.
However, I found Quid Pro Quo's to consistently crash, no matter how I
tried configuring my system.
One disadvantage of Apple's e.g. is its memory handling. If you decide to
use it, be sure to check its memory use every once in a while. I find that
I need to quit and relaunch it every few days to avoid its memory block
from filling up. Once it fills completely, it will deny requests.
Additionally, it reindexes every document every night, regardless of
whether it has been modified since being indexed last. You can greatly
speed this process by having fewer files to index (create larger web
archives).
You can try out my installation of e.g. if you'd like, but you won't be
able to do so until mid-August (http://b62968.cwru.edu/). I think others on
this list may be running it right now, hopefully they will respond.
>Thanks,
>Cris
-Jonathan {;-)
Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.
There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
things happen and those who wonder what happened.
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:53:28 -0500
From: "Richard Petty" <rwvr90 at email.sps.mot dot com>
Subject: Command Crashes
I'm the guy in Texas who was running AutoShare 2.3 on his 7200 and kept
having crashes when it is sent a command (Type 10). Every Single Time. This
has gone on for months.
A couple weeks ago I said that I'd try the last possible thing I could
think of to resolve the problem -- a real longshot: Replace the hard drives.
As everyone might remember, I've done all the other stuff: Virtual off,
increase memory allocations, reinstall software, change computers (to a 7100),
remove all Extensions and Control Panels. I did it all, but to no avail.
I send one of the command files and Mikael placed it into his "Filed Mail"
folder and it was processed by his copy of AutoShare without any problems.
It STILL crashes me. I even tried out the current beta.
Am I really, truely, a unique person in this universe? Has AutoShare never
crashed for anyone else?
I could ditch SIMS (never had a problem with it). I wasn't having problems
with EIMS before, except that EIMS is slow, has no remote administration,
inferior logging, etc.
At this point, I'm desperate. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
--Richard
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:52:11 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Command Crashes
At 17:53 -0500 7/10/98, Richard Petty wrote:
> A couple weeks ago I said that I'd try the last possible thing I could
>think of to resolve the problem -- a real longshot: Replace the hard drives.
>
> As everyone might remember, I've done all the other stuff: Virtual off,
>increase memory allocations, reinstall software, change computers (to a 7100),
>remove all Extensions and Control Panels. I did it all, but to no avail.
It is likely that your current environment still has something in common
with your original environment.
On an in every respect totally different Mac environment from the above,
copy a fresh AutoShare archive to its disk, boot with extensions off, do
the simple sample configuration, drop a message file in the Filed Mail
folder, let us know.
> Am I really, truely, a unique person in this universe? Has AutoShare
>never crashed for anyone else?
Good luck :-)
Subject: AutoShare2.4b4.sea
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 20:53:03 -0500
From: Jon & Janelle Gardner <jgardner at kairosnet dot com>
AutoShare 2.4b4 is mirrored at:
<ftp://ftp.cbc.bryan.tx.us/pub/as/AutoShare2.4b4.sea>
Jon
<><
Jon & Janelle Gardner <mailto:jgardner at kairosnet dot com> <AOLIM:DaGardners>
Kairos Network Services <http://www.kairosnet.com/kairos/>
...as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord. (Joshua 24:15 NIV)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:17:09 +0100
From: Bill Bedford <billbpm at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re:Command Crashes
At 5:53 pm -0500 10/07/98, Richard Petty wrote:
~I'm the guy in Texas who was running AutoShare 2.3 on his 7200 and kept
~having crashes when it is sent a command (Type 10). Every Single Time. This
~has gone on for months.
~
~
~ At this point, I'm desperate. Any suggestions would be greatly
~appreciated.
~
Two things occur to me
1/ how much memory has Autoshare got? have you tried increasing it?
2/ What are you sending the commands from? is it putting odd invisible
characters into the message?
Bill Bedford
Owner Brit_Rail-L list for the history of railways in Britain
Subscribe at autoshare at mousa.demon.co dot uk
Subject: Re: Command crashes
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 15:25:06 -0500
From: Jon & Janelle Gardner <jgardner at kairosnet dot com>
>I'm the guy in Texas who was running AutoShare 2.3 on his 7200 and kept
>having crashes when it is sent a command (Type 10). Every Single Time. This
>has gone on for months.
I'm another guy in Texas who had big problems with 2.3, except mine
simply refused to process commands at all. What happens if you retrograde
to 2.2 or upgrade to 2.4b4?
Jon
<><
Jon & Janelle Gardner <mailto:jgardner at kairosnet dot com> <AOLIM:DaGardners>
Kairos Network Services <http://www.kairosnet.com/kairos/>
...as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord. (Joshua 24:15 NIV)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:54:33 -0400
From: John Irving <john at corexpress dot com>
Subject: Re: Various questions
Hi Mikael,
Sorry for not reponding sooner but I've been really tied up. I'll try out
your suggestions.
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly!
John
At 3:52 PM -0400 7/9/98, Mikael Hansen is rumored to have typed:
> At 14:59 -0400 7/9/98, John Irving wrote:
>
> >I'm brand new to AutoShare so please pardon my ignorance. This is my
> >first stab at testing it with SIMS.
>
> Thank you for writing at this time. I value feedback from users, whose
> initial impressions are still fresh.
>
> >I have a few questions and would appreciate any help:
> >
> >1. How can I change the default list server address from "autoshare@... "
> >to whatever. I'd really rather have the name relect the lists content
> >better (as opposed to the software name).
>
> A different list server user name is not formally supported. To have
> requests reflect your lists better, you can use -on/off addresses instead,
> so that the list server address is not used directly. See the documentation
> for the section on
>
> Running the server
> Running a list server
> List server and list basics
> Request addresses
>
> >2. Can I change the default X-headers (I personally think there are too
> >many, or perhaps I'd make them part of the message footer so as to give a
> >higher visual priority to the message body.
>
> You can suppress almost all of the X-header fields. See
>
> Running the server
> Running a list server
> Miscellaneous features
> List- and X- RFC fields
>
> and also the balloon help for the Suppress RFC Headers field in the More
> List window in the Admin (first Command-L, select list, then More List).
>
> >3. I couldn't find documentation on all of the various Admin menu settings
> >("More miscellaneous", etc.). have I just overlooked them? Pointers
> >appreciated.
>
> The documention shows some information in
>
> Running the server
> Interfaces
> AutoShare Admin application
> Menu selections
>
> but mostly it's about using the Admin's balloon help.
>
> >4. I wasn't able to run the AutoShare admin from another machine. Does file
> >sharing or program linking have to be turned on on the server (I thought it
> >might connect via TCP/IP?)?
>
> It's scripting only, som program linking must be turned on. The
> documentation offers some advice on setting this up.
>
> Running the server
> Interfaces
> AutoShare scriptability
>
> >5. I plan on writing a perl/html form interface for the list serve commands
> >(hosted on a remote Unix server) as most of our site users are
> >non-technical novices. Any pointers appreciated.
>
> Others can help you out here, I'm sure :-)
>
> >6. Late addition. My original message subject was "Default list server
> >address, etc." but it bounced back as a command even though the message was
> >addressed to the list(?). How many illegal words will cause this behaviour?
>
> Generally any command match to the first word. You can disable this check
> though. See
>
> Moving on
> Advanced features
> Suppressing messages using filters
> List server requests on lists
>
> >Can the list address and the command address be seperated somehow? Late
> >addition 2: "List" seems to be another offensive word.
>
> The list address is always separate from the list server (command) address.
> List is offensive because it is a command (but can be suppressed from being
> offensive).
>
> >I have some experience running LetterRip and I'm trying to compare it with
> >AutoShare. From what I remember, LetterRip can't run on the same machine as
> >SIMS (which is why I'm interested in Autoshare).
>
> AutoShare has no built-in SMTP engine, so there's no conflict.
>
> >I must admit, I find the AutoShare documentation quite confusing, but I
> >understand and appreciate that it's freeware.
>
> Time does play a significant role, I'm afraid. Suggestions are always
> welcome though:-)
>
> ** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
> ** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
................................................................................
.....
John Irving <john at corexpress dot com>
PGP key available upon request.
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:27:52 -0700
From: "Michael C. Gilbert" <mcg at halcyon dot com>
Subject: autoshare stopped processing admin mail
I'm not sure what I did to make this happen, but....
A few days ago, autoshare started handling mail addressed to "autoshare" in
a very odd way: Instead of processing the commands in the message, it now
just moves the messages from the Filed Mail folder to the Autoshare folder.
That's it. No processing of commands at all.
Any advice?
-- Michael
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:38:29 +0100
From: Bill Bedford <billbpm at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: Command crashes
At 3:25 pm -0500 11/07/98, Jon & Janelle Gardner wrote:
~>I'm the guy in Texas who was running AutoShare 2.3 on his 7200 and kept
~>having crashes when it is sent a command (Type 10). Every Single Time. This
~>has gone on for months.
~
~I'm another guy in Texas who had big problems with 2.3, except mine
~simply refused to process commands at all. What happens if you retrograde
~to 2.2 or upgrade to 2.4b4?
~
2.4bx should solve these problems
Bill Bedford
Owner Brit_Rail-L list for the history of railways in Britain
Subscribe at autoshare at mousa.demon.co dot uk
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:15:19 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: autoshare stopped processing admin mail
At 18:27 -0700 7/11/98, Michael C. Gilbert wrote:
>A few days ago, autoshare started handling mail addressed to "autoshare" in
>a very odd way: Instead of processing the commands in the message, it now
>just moves the messages from the Filed Mail folder to the Autoshare folder.
>That's it. No processing of commands at all.
A known bug in 2.3, fixed in 2.4b1, caused the above behaviour. When you
activate the Mail-back field in the Admin's List window, you must first
specify the two mail-back folders in the More Folders window. The section
on mail-backs in the documentation describes these two folders in detail.
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 03:49:43 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 2.4 released
Hi all
As I'll be only minimally available for the next few weeks, version 2.4 has
been released and uploaded to
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/>
Recent suggestions posted to the list have been noted.
The released version adds a minor option (see the /= rfcsame token) to
standard auto-responses inspired by the Unix vacation notice feature of
suppressing notices for original messages, whose RFC To address differs
from the SMTP envelope recipient address, which may happen when forwarding
takes place.
Subject: AutoShare 2.4 mirror
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 08:41:48 -0500
From: Jon & Janelle Gardner <jgardner at kairosnet dot com>
AutoShare 2.4 may be downloaded from:
<ftp://ftp.cbc.bryan.tx.us/pub/as/AutoShare2.4.sit>
The server supports MacBinary and the file is not binhexed, so I
recommend using an ftp client such as Anarchie or Fetch. MSIE might work
as well.
Jon
<><
Jon & Janelle Gardner <mailto:jgardner at kairosnet dot com> <AOLIM:DaGardners>
Kairos Network Services <http://www.kairosnet.com/kairos/>
...as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord. (Joshua 24:15 NIV)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:22:45 -0400
From: mlists <mlists at ppdirect dot com>
Subject: Re: AS 2.4
Greetings,
Once I upgrade to AS 2.4, how do I process the 60-80 pieces of email that I
have sitting in the AS folder? Prior to this update, I was opening each by
hand and processing all of the list commands by hand. All list
contributions were placed in the proper List folder. Can I simply place
them all into EIMS Incoming Mail folder? Or is there somewhere else I can
place them?
Best Regards,
Jerry
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:58:53 -0400
From: mlists <mlists at ppdirect dot com>
Subject: Re: AS 2.4
Greetings,
What does this error message from AS 2.4 mean? I've installed the new
version and it appears to be working just fine. No more random message
files appearing in the AS folder. However, I created a new list using the
Admin and I get the following message:
Mime-Version: 1.0
To: Jerry Thompson <jthompson at ppdirect dot com>
From: autoshare at djbattle dot com (DJBattle.com)
Precedence: bulk
Subject: subscribe soldiers Jerry Thompson
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:53:10 -0500
List-Software: AutoShare 2.4 by Mikael Hansen
Sorry. The recipient address is not valid.
> Return-Path: <jthompson at ppdirect dot com>
> Received: from [206.173.157.224] by ppdirect.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet
> Mail Server 2.1); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:51:37 -0500
> X-Sender: jthompson at ppdirect dot com
> Message-Id: <v04003a09b1cf4286f9e5 at [206.173.157 dot 224]>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:50:17 -0400
> To: autoshare at djbattle dot com
> From: Jerry Thompson <jthompson at ppdirect dot com>
> Subject: subscribe soldiers Jerry Thompson
I get the above message whether I send an email to <autoshare at djbattle dot com>
or <soldiers at djbattle dot com>. My other lists work fine so I'm sure that I
missed a step somewhere.
Thanks
Jerry Thompson
MIS Director
PP List Management, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:25:17 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at dcl.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: AS 2.4
Jerry wrote:
>Once I upgrade to AS 2.4, how do I process the 60-80 pieces of email that I
>have sitting in the AS folder?
You should be able to just move them to the Filed Mail folder.
( :-]) James
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:35:59 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at dcl.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: AS 2.4
At 05:58 13/7/98, mlists wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>What does this error message from AS 2.4 mean?
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>To: Jerry Thompson <jthompson at ppdirect dot com>
>From: autoshare at djbattle dot com (DJBattle.com)
>Precedence: bulk
>Subject: subscribe soldiers Jerry Thompson
>Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:53:10 -0500
>List-Software: AutoShare 2.4 by Mikael Hansen
>
>Sorry. The recipient address is not valid.
Is DJBattle.com in your list of AutoShare host domains? I'm guessing here
that this is not the default domain for your server.
( :-]) James
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:11:41 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at dcl.co dot uk>
Subject: Unsubscribed users and unresolved bounces.
The automatic bounce handling generally works well, but there is a
particular situation which occurs regularly when a subscriber is removed
from a list.
Once an address is removed, AutoShare no longer recognises it as a list
subscriber and all bounces are forwarded to the admin. I had one bouncing
address automatically deleted from a list several days ago and have since
had a flood of Unresolved Bounce messages because EIMS is still trying to
deliver old list messages up to three days after the user was unsubscribed
by AutoShare.
It would be nice if AutoShare kept a rolling log of all recently
unsubscribed addresses, so that bounces from those accounts could be
ignored. If that included a flag indicating why the address was
unsubscribed (unsub/remote admin/hard bounce/soft bounce/etc!?!), that
would be useful too :-)
( :-]) James
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:49:54 -0500
From: "Tom A. Moberg" <TMoberg at miph dot org>
Subject: Header info with older Autoshare
Hello -
We are still using Autoshare 1.3 which has been working flawlessly for
quite a while. We have just gotten a request to remove some of the
X-headers from a new list we set up and are looking for a good way to do
that. From past posts I found a response that talked about doing things in
the Admin that are not in version 1.3.
My question is: Is there a good solution to this where we could keep using
ver 1.3 (such as just using a newer version of the Admin), or is this the
time to upgrade (and will the leap from 1.3 to 2.4 be traumatic...!)
Thanks for the help!
Tom
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom A. Moberg -- Information Systems Manager
- MN Star of the North Prevention Coalition -- http://www.miph.org/star
- Central Center for the Application of Prevention Technologies (CAPT)
Projects of the MN Institute of Public Health -- http://www.miph.org
voice: (612) 427-5310 fax: (612) 427-7841
email: tmoberg at miph dot org
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:40:58 -0400
From: mlists <mlists at ppdirect dot com>
Subject: Re: AS 2.4
>Subject: Re: AS 2.4
>
>Greetings,
>
>What does this error message from AS 2.4 mean? I've installed the new
>version and it appears to be working just fine. No more random message
>files appearing in the AS folder. However, I created a new list using the
>Admin and I get the following message:
>
>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>To: Jerry Thompson <jthompson at ppdirect dot com>
>From: autoshare at djbattle dot com (DJBattle.com)
>Precedence: bulk
>Subject: subscribe soldiers Jerry Thompson
>Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:53:10 -0500
>List-Software: AutoShare 2.4 by Mikael Hansen
>
>Sorry. The recipient address is not valid.
>
>> Return-Path: <jthompson at ppdirect dot com>
>> Received: from [206.173.157.224] by ppdirect.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet
>> Mail Server 2.1); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:51:37 -0500
>> X-Sender: jthompson at ppdirect dot com
>> Message-Id: <v04003a09b1cf4286f9e5 at [206.173.157 dot 224]>
>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:50:17 -0400
>> To: autoshare at djbattle dot com
>> From: Jerry Thompson <jthompson at ppdirect dot com>
>> Subject: subscribe soldiers Jerry Thompson
>
>
>
>I get the above message whether I send an email to <autoshare at djbattle dot com>
>or <soldiers at djbattle dot com>. My other lists work fine so I'm sure that I
>missed a step somewhere.
>Is DJBattle.com in your list of AutoShare host domains? I'm guessing here
>that this is not the default domain for your server.
>
>( :-]) James
Now we've come to another problem/situation. This is exactly what I
thought. So I went into the Admin, selected the ALL preference, and then
went into the Host dialog window. Here's where it gets interesting. Prior
to the update, I *remember* seeing all of the virtual hosts listed. NOW, I
only see one of them listed. So, seeing how they might have gotten deleted
I add them back. BUT, when I add one at a time, I either get a PUSH error
regarding HOSTS or it shows up. If it shows up, great. When I go to add
the next one, the one I just added gets deleted or disappears leaving my
original one I had there and the latest one. Deleting them all doesn't
help.
OK... so I figure, perhaps I need to be in the preference for the list.
So, I switch to my list preference and go to the Host dialog window. NOW,
the Host dialog shows my virtual domain listed there... but its the only
one listed there. It can't be deleted, new ones can't be added, nothing.
I'd be more than happy to go in manually and make whatever changes with
ResEdit if I knew where to add the STR resource.
Thanks
Jerry Thompson
MIS Director,
PP List Management, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:47:31 -0500
From: "Richard Petty" <rwvr90 at email.sps.mot dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 2.4 mirror
.
Looks like that ought to be:
<ftp://ftp.cbc.bryan.tx.us//Pub/as/AutoShare2.4.sea>
Thanks!
--Richard
Jon & Janelle Gardner wrote:
>
> AutoShare 2.4 may be downloaded from:
> <ftp://ftp.cbc.bryan.tx.us/pub/as/AutoShare2.4.sit>
>
> The server supports MacBinary and the file is not binhexed, so I
> recommend using an ftp client such as Anarchie or Fetch. MSIE might work
> as well.
>
> Jon
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:52:49 -0500
From: Paul DuBois <paul at snake dot net>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 2.4 mirror
>.
>
> Looks like that ought to be:
>
> <ftp://ftp.cbc.bryan.tx.us//Pub/as/AutoShare2.4.sea>
Or, even more likely:
<ftp://ftp.cbc.bryan.tx.us/Pub/as/AutoShare2.4.sea>
--
Paul DuBois, paul at snake dot net
Northern League Chronicles: http://www.snake.net/nl/
Madison Black Wolf: http://www.primate.wisc.edu/people/dubois/blackwolf/
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:48:55 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AS 2.4
At 19:40 -0400 7/13/98, mlists wrote:
>So I went into the Admin, selected the ALL preference
You're confusing the Admin. *Always* select a given preference set.
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:56:19 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribed users and unresolved bounces.
At 16:11 +0100 7/13/98, James Berriman wrote:
>It would be nice if AutoShare kept a rolling log of all recently
>unsubscribed addresses, so that bounces from those accounts could
>be ignored.
That would indeed be nice --> to-do list :-)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:17:51 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Header info with older Autoshare
At 15:49 -0500 7/13/98, Tom A. Moberg wrote:
>We are still using Autoshare 1.3 which has been working flawlessly for
>quite a while. We have just gotten a request to remove some of the
>X-headers from a new list we set up
>My question is: Is there a good solution to this where we could keep
>using ver 1.3
I don't recall so.
>(such as just using a newer version of the Admin)
You need to use the same version of the server and the Admin.
>or is this the time to upgrade
Naturally :-)
(and will the leap from 1.3 to 2.4 be traumatic...!)
Probably not, although it is a fairly big jump. The section on "Upgrading"
in the documentation deals almost exclusively with two issues: 1. clearing
logs and digests just before upgrading (use the "now" button) and 2. a few
backwards breaking scriptability changes (the Admin is updated as well
though). Always best to back up your folders of course.
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:22:27 +0100
Subject: Re: AS 2.4
From: "James Berriman" <james at dcl.co dot uk>
Jerry wrote:
>That's a particular problem. All of those 60-80 emails are for several
>lists. Each list has their own folder within the Filed Mail folder.
Move the files into the Incoming Mail folder and let EIMS re-sort them into
the correct destination folders. That should work.
( :-]) James
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:57:20 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at dcl.co dot uk>
Subject: AutoShare 2.4 available at dcl.co.uk
AutoShare 2.4 is available from:
<http://www.dcl.co.uk/MacOS/email/autoshare/AutoShare-2.4.sit.bin>
and by email:
<mailto:AutoShare-software at dcl.co.uk?subject=AutoShare-2.4 dot sit>
( :-]) James
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:00:34 -0500
From: "Tom A. Moberg" <TMoberg at miph dot org>
Subject: Messages coming from Bounce for MS Mail user
Hello -
One of our users on a new list seems to be having the following problem:
messages from the list arrive at this user's computer as if they came from
the Bounce account instead of the list. When this person replies to a list
message, it gets sent directly to the bounce address, which then ends up
with me being the Listmaster. This user is using MS Mail V3.0 and I seem to
recall some possible problems with that. Are there possible solutions?
As always, thanks for the help.
Tom
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- MN Star of the North Prevention Coalition -- http://www.miph.org/star
- Central Center for the Application of Prevention Technologies (CAPT)
Projects of the MN Institute of Public Health -- http://www.miph.org
voice: (612) 427-5310 fax: (612) 427-7841
email: tmoberg at miph dot org
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:50 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Autoshare 2.4 on Web - US Mirror (binary & binhex)
Binary:
http://pascal-central.com/autoshare/autoShare2.4.bin
Binhex:
http://pascal-central.com/autoshare/autoShare2.4.bin.hqx
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:45:24 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Messages coming from Bounce for MS Mail user
At 10:00 -0500 7/14/98, Tom A. Moberg wrote:
>One of our users on a new list seems to be having the following problem:
>messages from the list arrive at this user's computer as if they came from
>the Bounce account instead of the list. When this person replies to a list
>message, it gets sent directly to the bounce address, which then ends up
>with me being the Listmaster. This user is using MS Mail V3.0 and I seem to
>recall some possible problems with that. Are there possible solutions?
When a list contribution has been processed, the RFC From field contains
the contributor's address while the SMTP envelope sender contains the
bounce address, which is standard procedure. It may be that the MS Mail
V3.0 server copies the SMTP envelope sender of incoming messages into the
RFC From field before handing it over to the user. I am guessing, but it
would certainly explain why the above would happen to the user. It could
also result from another variation of the same scheme. I suspect there is
little you can do about it.
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 30 Jun 1998
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 15:55:28 -0800
From: Donna Parrish <donna at multilingual dot com>
I would like to automatically subscribe a LOT of people to a list. When I
try to just use a file created by Word (saved in text format) filled with
email addresses and names, Autoshare Admin does not like it, giving me an
error that there are too many entries, and to adjust my "From" and "to".
I tried this, but I still get an error. Could this be due to perhaps some
syntactical problem buried in the data (I've looked, but I could have
missed it.) Or is there some other way to accomplish this?
Thanks!
Donna Parrish
Subject: Re: MS Mail problem
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 22:12:46 -0500
From: Jon & Janelle Gardner <jgardner at kairosnet dot com>
>One of our users on a new list seems to be having the following problem:
>messages from the list arrive at this user's computer as if they came from
>the Bounce account instead of the list. When this person replies to a list
>message, it gets sent directly to the bounce address, which then ends up
>with me being the Listmaster. This user is using MS Mail V3.0 and I seem to
>recall some possible problems with that. Are there possible solutions?
Yes. Have them switch to Eudora, Pegasus Mail, Claris Emailer (if they're
on a Mac), Microsoft Exchange, or another modern email program. MS Mail
is very old, no longer supported, non-standard, etc. The basic Exchange
client ships with Win95 and supports MS Mail postoffices, if they need
that feature.
Jon
<><
Jon & Janelle Gardner <mailto:jgardner at kairosnet dot com> <AOLIM:DaGardners>
Kairos Network Services <http://www.kairosnet.com/kairos/>
...as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord. (Joshua 24:15 NIV)