Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:49:15 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Admin experiment
The 2.2d0 Admin archive has been uploaded to
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
It fixes the New List bug and also plays around with tick adjustments to
make Admin windows display faster. Stay alert...
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 06:41:30 -0600
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:11:49 +0200
From: Christophe Reverd <cReverd at Xon-Xoff dot com>
Subject: Re: How to filter external access to annoucement list ?
> The post command in remote administration by e-mail is not necessary,
unless you want to post from an address that is not that of the
listmaster's.
It's my case but the result isn't good. I mean I created a private list.
Listmaster is the only member with post option. But anybody from outside
can easily post on this list at one condition : changing his return address
in his mailer to listmaster at host.com. dot .
What's the trouble ?
I also tried to set-up the mail-back option without success. I should have
miss somethink but all the mail go directly though the listmaster account
and finaly the list... I put a "mailback" file in doc folder with a
"/=original" text line inside. It's not really clear.
May you please give me back some examples ?
Christophe Reverd
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:55:44 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: How to filter external access to annoucement list ?
At 19:11 +0200 27/1/1998, Christophe Reverd wrote:
>But anybody from outside can easily post on this list at one condition :
>changing his return address in his mailer to listmaster at host.com. dot .
That's why I added mail-backs :-)
>I also tried to set-up the mail-back option without success. I should have
>miss somethink but all the mail go directly though the listmaster account
>and finaly the list... I put a "mailback" file in doc folder with a
>"/=original" text line inside. It's not really clear.
For mail-backs, your EIMS Save As accounts must specify the mailback folder
path instead of the Filed Mail folder path.
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:45:17 +0100
From: cReverd at Xon-Xoff dot com (Christophe Reverd)
Subject: Re: How to filter external access to annoucement list ?
>That's why I added mail-backs :-)
>
>>I also tried to set-up the mail-back option without success. I should have
>>miss somethink but all the mail go directly though the listmaster account
>>and finaly the list... I put a "mailback" file in doc folder with a
>>"/=original" text line inside. It's not really clear.
>
>For mail-backs, your EIMS Save As accounts must specify the mailback folder
>path instead of the Filed Mail folder path.
It does.
Autoshare tried to send this mail "Creating mail-back confirmation".
Here are more details, I think I get the trouble :
I'd like to send a mail to a private list without listmaster account (from a=
"creverd" account). So I use the password method. It's perfect. A mail is=
sent with a "from: Listmaster" token. I configured a mail back account on=
the "listmaster" one. Is it right ?
May be not... Because when a mail is sent to the list, the reply address is=
also defined as the "lismaster" account. In consequence there's a loop and=
that's why I don't receive the "Creating mail-back confirmation" from=
Autoshare and other mails confirmation..
In resume should I have selected the mail back saving option in "list" EIMS=
account intead of "listmaster" one ?
Any clue ? Regards.
Christophe Reverd
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:25:38 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: How to filter external access to annoucement list ?
At 10:45 28/1/98, Christophe Reverd wrote:
>Here are more details, I think I get the trouble :
Yes, I think you do :-)
>In resume should I have selected the mail back saving option in "list"
>EIMS account intead of "listmaster" one ?
That should do the trick!
( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:32:27 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: How to filter external access to annoucement list ?
At 10:25 +0000 28/1/1998, James Berriman wrote:
>At 10:45 28/1/98, Christophe Reverd wrote:
>>In resume should I have selected the mail back saving option in "list"
>>EIMS account intead of "listmaster" one ?
>
>That should do the trick!
Sure does!
If you prefer the post command in remote administration by e-mail, then by
all means keep using it :-) It's just that this mechanism is restricted to
scenarios using the pre-defined admin password and thereby to the admin
only, whereas the mail-back mechanism offers passwords on-the-fly and as
such can be applied to subscribers in various scenarios.
PS: version 2.1 is now available on Info-Mac, in /info-mac/comm/inet/.
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:04:37 -0500
From: Richard Klein <klein at furthermedia dot com>
Subject: Suppressing Headers
I have a question regarding suppressing the header info in Autoshare. I
read the documentation, and it says that this stuff can be suppressed
either with Applescript or the Admin, but I cannot find exactly how to do
it. We are running one list that is strictly for internal purposes, and all
the header stuff is of no value and just takes up room (see below). I'd
like to hide as much of it as I can. i.e everything except the From, Date,
and Reply To fields.
Can you point me to the way to do this?
Thanks.
>From: ACMct at aol dot com
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:52:44 EST
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:28:26 -0400
From: "Michael J. Vinca" <mjv2411 at ritvax.isc.rit dot edu>
Subject: Mail back box
I am using the Mail Back feature with 2.1 and it works great. I don't
understand what the mailback box in the list menu (ADMIN) is for, though.
I'm currently not using it. I just save my account to the mail back folder.
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:41:11 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Suppressing Headers
At 17:04 -0500 30/1/1998, Richard Klein wrote:
>I have a question regarding suppressing the header info in Autoshare.
>I read the documentation, and it says that this stuff can be suppressed
>either with Applescript or the Admin,
Running the server
Running a list server
Miscellaneous features
List- and X- RFC fields
>but I cannot find exactly how to do it.
The sources of information for AppleScript and the Admin are the
AppleScript dictionary and the balloon help respectively.
As the above headers are list-specific, the configuration of them can be
found in the List Options class (see the RFC Headers property) of the
AppleScript dictionary and in the List, More list or Yet more list window
(see the Suppress RFC headers field in the More list window) of the Admin.
You can display the AppleScript dictionary by dragging the AutoShare server
application icon onto the Script Editor application icon.
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:41:37 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Mail back box
At 20:28 -0400 30/1/1998, Michael J. Vinca wrote:
>I am using the Mail Back feature with 2.1 and it works great. I don't
>understand what the mailback box in the list menu (ADMIN) is for, though.
>I'm currently not using it. I just save my account to the mail back folder.
The field is used to distinguish the mail-back configuration for individual
list server commands, which cannot be distinguished by address, as list
server requests all go to the same list server address.
See also the balloon help for the Mail-back field in the List window of the
Admin (or the Mailback property in the List Options class in the
AppleScript dictionary).
Date: 02 Feb 98 09:10:49 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Autoshare and enclosures - Problem?
One of my techs reports this:
Twice I've tried to use the TGMail listserv to send a message to all of =
our
staff with an enclosure attached and all the recipient gets is a blank
message (I had written a small amount of text in the body of the message
itself) and NO enclosure. When I open it from my "Sent Items" I DO see =
the
text and attachment, but the recipients don't get either. This
only happens when I attach an enclosure. The recipients DO get the text =
of
the message when I send to TGMail WITHOUT an enclosure. =
Can Mikael or others shed any light on this?? We run EIMS 2.0 and =
Autoshare 2.1.
Chuck Boody
=============
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:00:50 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare and enclosures - Problem?
At 09:10 -0600 2/2/1998, Chuck Boody wrote:
>The recipients DO get the text of the message when I send to TGMail
>WITHOUT an enclosure.
To speed things up, attachments are detached when processing begins and
reattached when processing ends. The latter is not likely to take place,
unless the attachment format is BinHex.
Things are likely to stay this way for a while, I'm afraid.
Date: 03 Feb 98 15:37:49 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: AutoShare-Talk digest 3 Feb 1998
AAACK! Not good news, but I understand. I think we can get folks here to =
do it maybe..... We are struggling with how to set up machines for =
sending anyway.......
Chuck
=============
>
>>The recipients DO get the text of the message when I send to TGMail
>>WITHOUT an enclosure.
>
>To speed things up, attachments are detached when processing begins and
>reattached when processing ends. The latter is not likely to take place,
>unless the attachment format is BinHex.
>
>Things are likely to stay this way for a while, I'm afraid.
>
>
>
>=
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 13:26:58 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Note about Admin 2.1
The new FIND function on the list window is awesome! What a time saver!
And thanks for making the list remember where you were after editing a
subscriber. Another time saver.
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 16:03:14 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: I think I've asked this before, but...
The users on my list are coming at me with knives and spears because when
they post messages to the list that start with "get", or "who", or other
very common words which happen to be list commands, the posts are bounced.
Is there a setting which tells Autoshare to ignore commands when they are
sent to the mailing list? The commands are only processed when sent to the
listserver address, so why shouldn't they just be ignored, by default, when
sent to the mailing list?
Regards,
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:23:47 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: I think I've asked this before, but...
At 16:03 -0800 5/2/1998, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>Is there a setting which tells Autoshare to ignore commands when they are
>sent to the mailing list?
From the AutoShare Documentation
Moving on
Advanced features
Suppressing messages using filters
List server requests on lists
After Command-J in the Admin, find "Suppress commands to list". You would
want to click the Never button (never suppress commands to list).
I think... Got a forehead with nine stitches and also a sore throat.
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:44:27 -0800
From: "George A. Ruzzier Jr." <gruzzier at inno-tech dot com>
Subject: Subscriber Problem Posting Messages
Hi,
I have a subscriber who keeps getting the following when trying to post to
the list:
************************************************************
ATTENTION PLEASE
Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
A list server command must be sent to the list server address
The list server address is autoshare at inno-tech dot com
************************************************************
He is subscribed. I even deleted him, and he resubscribed, and he still
can't post?
Would appreciate any suggestions on this. Please .cc, I'm on digest.
Thanks,
George
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 01:52:10 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Subscriber Problem Posting Messages
At 23:44 -0800 6/2/1998, George A. Ruzzier Jr. wrote:
>I have a subscriber who keeps getting the following when trying to post to
>the list:
>A list server command must be sent to the list server address
What is the first word of the first body line (and also the first word of
the subject) in the list contribution?
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:32:46 -0600
From: Craig Jensen <craig at booklab dot com>
Subject: newbie questions
I'm new to autoshare. I have set a dummy listserver and have enlisted
several friends to help "burn it in".
When I subscribed myself I recieved back my customized confirmation page.
But when I sent a review command I got back the following:
The subscribers to the list are:
DigiBook-L: Not subscribed in the first place
Your original message is found below.
I have not set any of the security features regarding addresses. What am I
doing wrong?
Also, in AutoShare Admin, under list, the dummy list only shows the first
person to subscribe, my business manager, and none of the other 5 or 6
subscribers, who have all recieved the subscription confirmation.
I'm sure I have missed something obvious, but I can't seem to find what it is.
Craig Jensen, President
BookLab, Inc.
1606 Headway Circle
Austin, TX 78754-5104
phone: (512) 837-0479
fax: (512) 837-9794
mailto:craig at booklab dot com
http://booklab.com/
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:23:44 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: newbie questions
At 15:32 -0600 8/2/1998, Craig Jensen wrote:
>When I subscribed myself I recieved back my customized confirmation page.
>But when I sent a review command I got back the following:
>
>The subscribers to the list are:
>
>DigiBook-L: Not subscribed in the first place
>Also, in AutoShare Admin, under list, the dummy list only shows the first
>person to subscribe, my business manager, and none of the other 5 or 6
>subscribers, who have all recieved the subscription confirmation.
Neither is expected behaviour. You may want to look at the list file
directly with a text editor to see if anything funny is going on.
I also suggest that you run Disk First Aid and/or Norton.
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 12:26:31 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Subscriber Problem Posting Messages
At 11:44 PM -0800 on 2/6/98, George A. Ruzzier Jr. wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a subscriber who keeps getting the following when trying to post to
> the list:
>
> ************************************************************
> ATTENTION PLEASE
> Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
> A list server command must be sent to the list server address
> The list server address is autoshare at inno-tech dot com
> ************************************************************
>
> He is subscribed. I even deleted him, and he resubscribed, and he still
> can't post?
>
> Would appreciate any suggestions on this. Please .cc, I'm on digest.
>
This happens when the first word of the subject posted to the list is a
listserver command, such as "get" or "who". There is a way of turning that
off.
At 8:23 PM -0800 on 2/5/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> From the AutoShare Documentation
>
> Moving on
> Advanced features
> Suppressing messages using filters
> List server requests on lists
>
> After Command-J in the Admin, find "Suppress commands to list". You would
> want to click the Never button (never suppress commands to list).
I just did this for my lists. Thanks for the pointer Mikael.
Bill
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:47:10 +0000
From: Bill Bedford <billbpm at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Index, and Search
Mikael
Does the INDEX command only index files in the archive folder that have a
'text' suffix. Would it be possible to change this so that, for instance, I
could place binary files in the achive?
The SEARCH command only seems to work on the 'text' files, so that it will
not find articles that have the search string in the subject line.
Would it be possible to change the REVIEW command so that would give a
confirmation, or not, that an address is in the list?
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:57:13 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Index, and Search
At 19:47 +0000 9/2/1998, Bill Bedford wrote:
>Does the INDEX command only index files in the archive folder that have a
>'text' suffix.
'.text' and/or '.html'.
>Would it be possible to change this so that, for instance, I could place
>binary files in the achive?
All file types are equal to the index command.
>The SEARCH command only seems to work on the 'text' files, so that it will
>not find articles that have the search string in the subject line.
'.text' and/or '.html' here as well. Any line-based file will do.
>Would it be possible to change the REVIEW command so that would give a
>confirmation, or not, that an address is in the list?
A subscriber based command line such as
review fun-l a@b
? Possible to extend the review command? Yes.
For now, you can use the AppleScript GetSubscriber command.
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:50:58 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Another question...
Normally, when a member of a mailing list has a bounced post, the bounce
goes to the listserver. Sometimes, however, the bounced posts come right
back to the list and clutters the list with garbage.
I read the documentation on Filters for mailing list, but it did not give
me direction on how to set up the filter. For example, I'd like to filter
out all posts which start with "Warning:". How would I go about doing
that?
Thanks,
Bill
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:58:47 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Another question...
At 07:50 -0800 10/2/1998, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>Normally, when a member of a mailing list has a bounced post, the bounce
>goes to the listserver. Sometimes, however, the bounced posts come right
>back to the list and clutters the list with garbage.
When another mail server bounces a message, it should use the SMTP envelope
sender address (the bounce address configured in AutoShare) from this
message as the recipient in the returned message. Not all mail servers may
actually do it.
Chances are though that you may be speaking of a rejected post that
AutoShare killed because the subscriber isn't allowed to post rather than a
post that was actually processed successfully, then mailed and then
bounced? If so, AutoShare returns the mail to the sender or forwards the
mail to the listmaster depending on the situation. You are not by any
chance using a list address or the listserver address in a normal e-mail
account, are you?
>I read the documentation on Filters for mailing list, but it did not give
>me direction on how to set up the filter. For example, I'd like to filter
>out all posts which start with "Warning:". How would I go about doing
>that?
You set up a file, whose location is the Filters folder and whose name is
the list name. The contents of the file is the format described in the
documentation on specific filters.
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:00:59 -0800
From: Gary Szabo <gszabo at centralia.ctc dot edu>
Subject: AutoShare, or Eudora problem?
Greetings, folks...
Recently upgraded to AutoShare 2.1. All's well, except that list postings that contain multiple attachments don't go through intact. In example, the first attachment never goes through, but the second one does, in the fashion you see below:
>>>>
>Content-Type: application/msword; name="WebPolicy.doc"
>--============_-1324974448==_============
>Content-Type: multipart/appledouble; boundary="============_-1324974448==_D============"
>
>Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:1IVDIREC.XLS (Excel4) 1 (XLW4/XCEL) (0002EB46)
<<<<
* AutoShare is set to MIME QP.
* Eudora is the prominent mail client (Light and Pro 3.1) is set to utilize AppleDouble, and I've experimented with checking the "include Macintosh information" box.
Server is an AWS 8550/132, 7.5.3r2 with 48 meg RAM, 4 gig HD, running EIMS 1.2 also.
Any clues or advice? Thanks in advance!
GSz
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:09:53 -0800
From: Gary Szabo <gszabo at centralia.ctc dot edu>
Subject: AutoShare, or Eudora problem?
Greetings, folks...
Recently upgraded to AutoShare 2.1. All's well, except that list
postings that contain multiple attachments don't go through intact. In
example, the first attachment never goes through, but the second one
does, in the fashion you see below:
>>>>
<excerpt>Content-Type: application/msword; name="WebPolicy.doc"
--============_-1324974448==_============
Content-Type: multipart/appledouble;
boundary="============_-1324974448==_D============"
Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:1IVDIREC.XLS (Excel4) 1 (XLW4/XCEL)
(0002EB46)
</excerpt><<<<<<<<
* AutoShare is set to MIME QP.
* Eudora is the prominent mail client (Light and Pro 3.1) is set to
utilize AppleDouble, and I've experimented with checking the "include
Macintosh information" box.
Server is an AWS 8550/132, 7.5.3r2 with 48 meg RAM, 4 gig HD, running
EIMS 1.2 also.
Any clues or advice? Thanks in advance!
GSz
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:39:44 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare, or Eudora problem?
At 14:09 -0800 10/2/1998, Gary Szabo wrote:
>Recently upgraded to AutoShare 2.1. All's well, except that list postings
>that contain multiple attachments don't go through intact. In example, the
>first attachment never goes through, but the second one does
I can see how that happens. A limitation at this time, I'm afraid.
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:51:43 -0800
From: Gary Szabo <gszabo at centralia.ctc dot edu>
Subject: Re: AutoShare, or Eudora problem?
At 7:39 AM -0800 2/11/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>
>>Recently upgraded to AutoShare 2.1. All's well, except that list postings
>>that contain multiple attachments don't go through intact. In example, the
>>first attachment never goes through, but the second one does
>
>I can see how that happens. A limitation at this time, I'm afraid.
Quite all right, Mikael...just good to know it's not just me!
GSz
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:06:38 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Another question...
At 12:58 PM -0800 on 2/10/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> At 07:50 -0800 10/2/1998, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>
> >Normally, when a member of a mailing list has a bounced post, the bounce
> >goes to the listserver. Sometimes, however, the bounced posts come right
> >back to the list and clutters the list with garbage.
>
> When another mail server bounces a message, it should use the SMTP envelope
> sender address (the bounce address configured in AutoShare) from this
> message as the recipient in the returned message. Not all mail servers may
> actually do it.
>
> Chances are though that you may be speaking of a rejected post that
> AutoShare killed because the subscriber isn't allowed to post rather than a
> post that was actually processed successfully, then mailed and then
> bounced? If so, AutoShare returns the mail to the sender or forwards the
> mail to the listmaster depending on the situation. You are not by any
> chance using a list address or the listserver address in a normal e-mail
> account, are you?
>
Nope, these bounces are caused because the subscriber's e-mail is down.
It's the subscriber's mail server which is sending it back to the list
(rather than using the SMTP sender address for bounces, it is using the
Reply-to address).
> >I read the documentation on Filters for mailing list, but it did not give
> >me direction on how to set up the filter. For example, I'd like to filter
> >out all posts which start with "Warning:". How would I go about doing
> >that?
>
> You set up a file, whose location is the Filters folder and whose name is
> the list name. The contents of the file is the format described in the
> documentation on specific filters.
>
Under:
Moving On
Advanced features
Suppressing messages using filters
Specific filters
I created a file in the Filters folder with the list name as the name.
On one line I had:
Subject: 'Subject: ' test
I then posted a note with the subject as "test" and the post still went
through. It would seem that I am doing something wrong. Any suggestions?
Bill
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:32:11 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Another question...
At 10:06 -0800 11/2/1998, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>Nope, these bounces are caused because the subscriber's e-mail is down.
>It's the subscriber's mail server which is sending it back to the list
>(rather than using the SMTP sender address for bounces, it is using the
>Reply-to address).
I see. Thanks for clearing it up.
>I created a file in the Filters folder with the list name as the name.
>On one line I had:
>
>Subject: 'Subject: ' test
>
>I then posted a note with the subject as "test" and the post still went
>through. It would seem that I am doing something wrong. Any suggestions?
The line should say simply:
Subject: test
which means that if the subject field body contains the string 'test', then
the message gets filtered.
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:57:53 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: "From:" vs "x-sender:"
I had a subscriber who had trouble unsubscribing. The message was similar
to the following:
>Subject: Unsubscribe acs-newsletter
>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 10:54:41 -0800
>x-sender: d.jane at mail.domain dot com
>From: Jane Doe <doe.jane at domain dot com>
>To: <autoshare at harthaven dot com>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>
>unsubscribe acs-newsletter
The Autoshare status window on the server shows this person as:
>From: Jane Doe <doe.jane at domain.com> [d.jane at mail dot domain dot com]
The unsubscribe request was not processed or, at least, did not unsubscribe
the <doe.jane at domain dot com> address. How come?
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:10:08 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: James having fun...
Our apologies for the two malformed list contributions earlier today. It
was neither AutoShare's nor the list contributor's fault. James was just
having some fun doing something else... :-)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:13:43 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Another question...
At 07:25 -0800 16/2/1998, Bill Catambay wrote:
>I did get my filter to work now. Is there a way to have notes that are
>filtered bounced? Currently, it seems that the note is vaporized.
The Filter process extender is your one chance to do this.
Samples are available in the 2.1 package.
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:16:00 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Filtering subjects with colons (:)
At 07:32 -0800 16/2/1998, Bill Catambay wrote:
>After I got my filter to work with the simple test case above, I tried to
>create the one that I really wanted.... to have subjects with "Warning:"
>in them to be filtered. It doesn't want to work with Subject: Warning:
>
>I'm guessing that it's because of the colon. I don't want to suppress
>subjects with just "Warning", so I need to keep the colon there. Is there
>currently a problem using a colon?
Kind of. Try Subject: Warning- (a dash instead of a colon).
The filter entry is apparently compared to a modified copy of the subject
field body. Modified to exclude colons as in Finder paths.
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:20:21 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: "From:" vs "x-sender:"
At 11:57 -0800 16/2/1998, Mark Hartman wrote:
>The Autoshare status window on the server shows this person as:
>
>>From: Jane Doe <doe.jane at domain.com> [d.jane at mail dot domain dot com]
Which one of the two addresses is in the list file?
>The unsubscribe request was not processed or, at least, did not unsubscribe
>the <doe.jane at domain dot com> address. How come?
It could be an RFC From versus SMTP envelope sender thing.
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:24:16 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: "From:" vs "x-sender:"
>At 11:57 -0800 16/2/1998, Mark Hartman wrote:
>
>>The Autoshare status window on the server shows this person as:
>>
>>>From: Jane Doe <doe.jane at domain.com> [d.jane at mail dot domain dot com]
>
>Which one of the two addresses is in the list file?
>
>>The unsubscribe request was not processed or, at least, did not
>>unsubscribe
>>the <doe.jane at domain dot com> address. How come?
Sorry, thought the above made it clear; it's <doe.jane at domain dot com>.
>It could be an RFC From versus SMTP envelope sender thing.
I'm sure that this must be a meaningful answer, but I'm equally sure that
I don't have a clue as to what to do to correct the situation. Since the
e-mail is being received by SIMS, which AFAIK does the SMTP envelope
processing, putting the message into the "Filed Mail" AS folder, how could
it be that AS would be aware of any such conflict?
(I've got no intention of being sarcastic here; I really don't know why
this is happening, and can't figure out why the SMTP envelope would have
anything at all to do with it.)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:07:19 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: "From:" vs "x-sender:"
At 20:24 -0800 16/2/1998, Mark Hartman wrote:
>>>The Autoshare status window on the server shows this person as:
>>>
>>>>From: Jane Doe <doe.jane at domain.com> [d.jane at mail dot domain dot com]
>>
>>Which one of the two addresses is in the list file?
>Sorry, thought the above made it clear; it's <doe.jane at domain dot com>.
>and can't figure out why the SMTP envelope would have anything at all to
>do with it.)
After Command-J in the Admin, find the "RFC From (vs envelope)" checkbox.
If it is not checked, the new subscriber's address added to the list is the
SMTP envelope sender; if checked, then the RFC From.
If you use the former, then it is a possibility that Jane Doe's SMTP
envelope sender address was identical to her RFC From address at the time
of her subscription and that some mail server configuration change was
implemented between then and now causing the two addresses to differ.
If you use the latter, then I dunno.
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:38:57 +0100
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Multiple responses (future feature)
Hi everyone!
I am sendin the following idea to be discused a little before asking Mikael
to add new features to AS.
For a list I am administering I need multiple mails to be sent as a
response to successful subscription. I want to send a Welcome messaga and a
separate message describing conventions and rules used in the list. I
created a simple Process extender, but I think it would be nice and easy
feature of AutoShare itself. And, I also hate to run too many applications
on server...
My process extender works this way:
When somebody successfully subscribes to the list <list>, it looks in the
"Documents:listserv:" folder for folder named "subscribe+<list>" (normal
subscription response is named "subscribe.<list>"), and if it exists,
extender sends all text files in that folder to subscriber.
Similar action applies to anybody who unsubscribes.
It would be very useful and also simple for Mikael for AutoShare to be
working this way, but with your ideas, it may be much better.
HOnza
P.S. Have you already tried my Remote Admin for AutoShare? You can get it
from URL
ftp://ftp.appleklub.cz/pub/Internet/mail/AutoShareRemoteAdmin_10.sit or by
Hotline from hotline.appleklub.cz
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:08:47 -0500
From: Richard Klein <klein at furthermedia dot com>
Subject: Announcement Lists
I have been attempting without success to set up an announcement list to
offer subscribers a weekly email newsletter. The Autoshare documentation
defines the announcement list as one where only the listmaster can post to
the list, and says the listmaster address is fetched from the administrator
address, in the miscellaneous preferences.
Under Miscellaneous Preferences, the only address there is listed as the
bounce account, which I have set to listmgr at furthermedia dot com. I set up a
list, called fmalert, as an announcement list, then send an email to the
list address using listmgr at furthermedia dot com as my From address. But I
always get the following:
To: fmalert at furthermedia dot com (Subscribers of fmalert)
From: listmgr<listmgr at furthermedia dot com>
Subject: Maintenance Alert
************************************************************
ATTENTION PLEASE
Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
You cannot post to a list, unless you are a subscriber
The list server address is listserv at furthermedia dot com
************************************************************
Am I missing some step here?
Please advise. Thanks.
Richard Klein
Director of Internet Services
Further Media, Inc.
Corporate & e-Commerce Web Development
http://www.furthermedia.com
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:25:17 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Announcement Lists
The account from which you are submitting the weekly newsletter (the
listmaster account) must also be listed as a subscriber to the newsletter.
I think that this is something that Mikael may want to change; the
listmaster
account (administrator) should have de facto all privileges for a particular
list, including permission to post, IMO.
>I have been attempting without success to set up an announcement list to
>offer subscribers a weekly email newsletter. The Autoshare documentation
>defines the announcement list as one where only the listmaster can post to
>the list, and says the listmaster address is fetched from the administrator
>address, in the miscellaneous preferences.
>
>Under Miscellaneous Preferences, the only address there is listed as the
>bounce account, which I have set to listmgr at furthermedia dot com. I set up a
>list, called fmalert, as an announcement list, then send an email to the
>list address using listmgr at furthermedia dot com as my From address. But I
>always get the following:
>
>
>To: fmalert at furthermedia dot com (Subscribers of fmalert)
>From: listmgr<listmgr at furthermedia dot com>
>Subject: Maintenance Alert
>
>************************************************************
>ATTENTION PLEASE
>Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
>You cannot post to a list, unless you are a subscriber
>The list server address is listserv at furthermedia dot com
>************************************************************
>
>Am I missing some step here?
>
>Please advise. Thanks.
>
>Richard Klein
>
>Director of Internet Services
>Further Media, Inc.
>Corporate & e-Commerce Web Development
>http://www.furthermedia.com
>
>
>
>
>** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
>** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:56:36 +0000
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: "From:" vs "x-sender:"
At 22:20 16/02/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 11:57 -0800 16/2/1998, Mark Hartman wrote:
>
>>The Autoshare status window on the server shows this person as:
>>
>>>From: Jane Doe <doe.jane at domain.com> [d.jane at mail dot domain dot com]
>
>Which one of the two addresses is in the list file?
>
>>The unsubscribe request was not processed or, at least, did not unsubscribe
>>the <doe.jane at domain dot com> address. How come?
>
>It could be an RFC From versus SMTP envelope sender thing.
Perhaps the cleanest way to handle this would be to check both the
addresses when processing a command?
The problem seems to occur quite regularly when the list owner adds
subscribers, since the subscriber's envelope address is seldom known at the
time.
I just added five subscribers to a list today. I've no idea what their
envelope addresses are. I expect I'll eventually be called upon to remove
them, since they'll probably have no luck doing it for themselves.
}:-]) James
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:07:09 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Filtering subjects with colons (:)
At 9:32 PM -0800 on 2/11/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>
> The line should say simply:
>
> Subject: test
>
> which means that if the subject field body contains the string 'test', then
> the message gets filtered.
>
After I got my filter to work with the simple test case above, I tried to
create the one that I really wanted.... to have subjects with "Warning:" in
them to be filtered. It doesn't want to work with
Subject: Warning:
I'm guessing that it's because of the colon. I don't want to suppress
subjects with just "Warning", so I need to keep the colon there. Is there
currently a problem using a colon?
Bill
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:07:00 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Another question...
At 9:32 PM -0800 on 2/11/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> >I created a file in the Filters folder with the list name as the name.
> >On one line I had:
> >
> >Subject: 'Subject: ' test
> >
> >I then posted a note with the subject as "test" and the post still went
> >through. It would seem that I am doing something wrong. Any suggestions?
>
> The line should say simply:
>
> Subject: test
>
> which means that if the subject field body contains the string 'test', then
> the message gets filtered.
>
Okay... guess I was following the instructions _too_ literally.
I did get my filter to work now. Is there a way to have notes that are
filtered bounced? Currently, it seems that the note is vaporized.
Thanks,
Bill
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:17:06 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Filtering subjects with colons (:)
At 2:16 PM -0800 on 2/16/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> At 07:32 -0800 16/2/1998, Bill Catambay wrote:
>
> >After I got my filter to work with the simple test case above, I tried to
> >create the one that I really wanted.... to have subjects with "Warning:"
> >in them to be filtered. It doesn't want to work with Subject: Warning:
> >
> >I'm guessing that it's because of the colon. I don't want to suppress
> >subjects with just "Warning", so I need to keep the colon there. Is there
> >currently a problem using a colon?
>
> Kind of. Try Subject: Warning- (a dash instead of a colon).
>
This worked perfectly.... thanks!
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:33:14 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Another question...
At 2:13 PM -0800 on 2/16/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> At 07:25 -0800 16/2/1998, Bill Catambay wrote:
>
> >I did get my filter to work now. Is there a way to have notes that are
> >filtered bounced? Currently, it seems that the note is vaporized.
>
> The Filter process extender is your one chance to do this.
>
> Samples are available in the 2.1 package.
>
Okay, be easy on me....
I know that I should be using scripts, because they're cool, they're fun,
and they're really useful, but as of yet, I have not used a one.
So, from a completely novice perspective, I look at the script in the Send
Message folder called "Filter", and I think, "Okay, so what do I do with
this?"
Where do I place the script, and how do I get Autoshare to use the script?
I'm a fish out of water when it comes to scripts, and have avoided them
successfully up until now. But it seems that I need to figure this out in
order to have responses sent to filtered posts to my list.
Detail instructions posted here, or a pointer to the docs which may provide
detailed instructions, would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Bill
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:02:22 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Multiple responses (future feature)
At 10:38 +0100 17/2/1998, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>For a list I am administering I need multiple mails to be sent as a
>response to successful subscription.
>I created a simple Process extender, but I think it would be nice and
>easy feature of AutoShare itself.
The folder trick springs to mind. Structured the way a document is made
list-specific. But how do you avoid a conflict between the two? Let's start
out with the standard Sub document in the Documents folder. If it is
replaced by a Sub folder, you would have at least a Default document inside
it. But what if you have a Default folder instead, which contains at least
a Default document (the primary document containing the /= tokens) and
perhaps other documents as well (for the rest of the multiple mails)? Need
to think this through.
>P.S. Have you already tried my Remote Admin for AutoShare?
I don't have a copy of the LNS Scripting Additions ($49, but quite worth
it, I'm sure), so I ran into a scripting error when trying your Admin. Any
chance of posting a URL pointing to some browser screen samples? I look
forward to seeing them!