Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:28:21 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: Subscription/unsubscription via web page
>At 19:55 -0500 11/9/98, Jonathan Shaw wrote:
>
>> I'm using Flexmail to accomplish exactly what you've described.
>
>But does it though? Flexmail doesn't do hand-shaking on the e-mail address,
>so you're still asking AutoShare to do mail-back.
Yes, I want AutoShare to do mailback. I thought this was what he was asking
for... I may have misread the original message.
-Jonathan {;-)
Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.
There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
things happen and those who wonder what happened.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:02:54 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Subscription/unsubscription via web page
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Right - I want AutoShare to do the mailback.
What I've done to work around it is the following:
Set AutoShare to NoProcessing mode = true
Create a file in the Mail Back folder
Add the "Return path" resource to it
Write the "From", "To" and body lines to it
Set AutoShare to NoProcessing mode = false
Seems to work like a champ. If anyone would like to try it, especially
if you're interested in emergency communications, try the following link:
<http://www2.harthaven.com/subscribe.html>
Thanks in advance for helping me test it; if you find any bugs, please let
me know.
At 10:28 PM -0800 11/9/1998, Jonathan Shaw wrote:
>>At 19:55 -0500 11/9/98, Jonathan Shaw wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using Flexmail to accomplish exactly what you've described.
>>
>>But does it though? Flexmail doesn't do hand-shaking on the e-mail
>>address,
>>so you're still asking AutoShare to do mail-back.
>
>Yes, I want AutoShare to do mailback. I thought this was what he was asking
>for... I may have misread the original message.
>
>-Jonathan {;-)
>Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.
>
>There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
>things happen and those who wonder what happened.
>
>
>
>** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
>** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/>
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:34:54 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Subscription/unsubscription via web page
At 01:28 -0500 11/10/98, Jonathan Shaw wrote:
> Yes, I want AutoShare to do mailback. I thought this was what he was asking
> for... I may have misread the original message.
:-)
At 16:06 -0800 11/9/98, Mark Hartman wrote:
> I'm trying to set up a web page to permit users to subscribe or
> unsubscribe to my mailing lists. On the form, they select the list,
> enter their name and e-mail address, and click SUBMIT.
> sending the e-mail message can be confusing to the user, as they then
> must actually send the message - and this, believe it or not, seems to be
> beyond some of my target audience.
While a simple form combined with mail-back works, I see your point.
> Ideally, there would be a way to have mail-back security even when
> changing subscriptions through AppleEvents; this would be the cleanest
> way of doing this as far as I can see.
I'm afraid that the web environment or AppleEvents can't be used to
accomplish this. The situation is that you need to verify the validity of
the e-mail address of a user new to you, you basically need to verify that
this person is the one who knows the password to that e-mail account. This
can only be done within that very e-mail environment, and as you can't very
well look over his shoulders when he types in his password for
verification, mail-back is the closest thing to caller-id. E-mail is so
virtual!
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 02:49:14 -0500
From: Bob Bergey <rb at dprint dot com>
Subject: Newbie Question -- Multiple Domains in AutoShare
I'm in the process of switching from Macjordomo to AutoShare for at least
a couple of my lists, and I'm sure I'll have a few questions. I'm doing
pretty good so far, and have my first list configured and working (in
only 10 hours -- a little steeper learning curve than Macj <G>).
First question...I'm using SIMS 1.7 for my mail server. I own five
different domain names, and have lists (currently in Macj) using each of
those domain names. The domain names are transparent to SIMS and Macj
(with appropriate entries in the Router), but it seems not to AutoShare.
Am I missing something, or am I limited to just one domain in AutoShare?
How can I configure AutoShare to handle lists from each of the domains?
TIA,
Bob
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 03:05:32 -0500
From: Bob Bergey <rb at dprint dot com>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question -- Multiple Domains -- Nevermind <G>
> Am I missing something, or am I limited to just one domain in
> AutoShare? How can I configure AutoShare to handle lists from each of
> the domains?
Nevermind -- I figured it out...using the AutoShare Hosts file in the
preferences folder. Neat! Sorry to take your time.
Bob
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:26:09 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question -- Multiple Domains -- Nevermind <G>
At 03:05 -0500 11/10/98, Bob Bergey wrote:
> Nevermind -- I figured it out...using the AutoShare Hosts file in the
> preferences folder. Neat! Sorry to take your time.
No problem :-) Using host entries is sort of like using multiple
personalities within one Eudora folder. I remember James used it a great
deal between versions 1.1 and 2.0.
At 02:49 -0500 11/10/98, Bob Bergey wrote:
> I'm in the process of switching from Macjordomo to AutoShare for at least
> a couple of my lists, and I'm sure I'll have a few questions. I'm doing
> pretty good so far, and have my first list configured and working (in
> only 10 hours -- a little steeper learning curve than Macj <G>).
>
> First question...I'm using SIMS 1.7 for my mail server.
Looks like that you're already far beyond the newbie stage. Congratulations!
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:34:03 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Subscription/unsubscription via web page
At 23:02 -0800 11/9/98, Mark Hartman wrote:
> Right - I want AutoShare to do the mailback.
Your FORM action is 'http://' rather than 'mailto:'?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:52:02 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: AutoShare 3.0.2b5 via email
At 04:53 10/11/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>The 3.0.2b5 archive has been uploaded to
>
> <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
Now also at:
<mailto:AutoShare-software at dcl.co.uk?subject=AutoShare-3.0.2b5 dot sit>
( :-]) James
Date: 10 Nov 98 08:47:19 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: Subscription/unsubscription via web page
Reply to: RE: Subscription/unsubscription via web page
Try checking out
http://199.199.102.133/lsdocs.html
perhaps that cgi will help you. We use it with no problems (that I know =
of!) of user confusion.
Chuck Boody
Programmer Analyst
ISd 270
=======
Mark Hartman wrote:
>OK, folks, here's a good one for you.
>
>I'm trying to set up a web page to permit users to subscribe or =
unsubscribe
>to my mailing lists. On the form, they select the list, enter their name
>and e-mail address, and click SUBMIT.
>
>There are two ways I can go with this: first, simply send the AppleEvent
>to AutoShare to establish the subscription; or, create an e-mail message
>to AutoShare properly formatted.
>
>Problems? Sending the AppleEvent gives no security at all (the mail-back
>security is bypassed), thus anyone can do anything to anyone; sending the
>e-mail message can be confusing to the user, as they then must actually
>send the message - and this, believe it or not, seems to be beyond some
>of my target audience.
>
>Ideally, there would be a way to have mail-back security even when =
changing
>subscriptions through AppleEvents; this would be the cleanest way of =
doing
>this as far as I can see. Does anyone have any suggestions? Mikael, is
>this something that could reasonably be added to AutoShare? (I'm running
>SIMS rather than EIMS, but I don't think that that should matter in this
>instance.)
>
>
>
>** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
>** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/>
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:08:29 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Subscription/unsubscription via web page
At 12:34 AM -0800 11/10/1998, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 23:02 -0800 11/9/98, Mark Hartman wrote:
>
>> Right - I want AutoShare to do the mailback.
>
>Your FORM action is 'http://' rather than 'mailto:'?
Yes - because so many of the mailers out there stick more information
into the front of the body of the message, which messes up AutoShare.
However, the combination of creating the e-mail file in the Mail Back
folder along with placing the code in the subject seems to be bulletproof.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:32:10 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: RE: Subscription/unsubscription via web page
At 08:47 -0600 11/10/98, Chuck Boody wrote:
> http://199.199.102.133/lsdocs.html
>
> perhaps that cgi will help you. We use it with no problems (that I know
> of!) of user confusion.
I see now. Jonathan was probably referring to the use of FlexMail the way
that you use the AppleScript Mailer. But how about using the File Mail
AppleScript command in AutoShare btw? Mail-backs should be okay.
A CGI action of mailto: furthermore doesn't work in the Netscape Navigator
4.x, perhaps not even with IC enabled and Eudora as the mail helper :-(
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:24:08 -0500
From: Bob Bergey <rb at dprint dot com>
Subject: Web Archiving, Importing Subscribers
One of my reasons for switching from Macjordomo to AutoShare is the built
in Web archiving feature. I already have one very small list running and
the basic Web archiving working. However I still have a few questions:
1) Could someone point me to their site where you're using the Web
archiving feature already, so I can observe it in action on your site?
2) My ultimate goal is to create a password protected, searchable
archive. Is anyone doing this based on the built in Web archiving, or any
other way on a Mac server?
3) I already have about 14,000 messages (in Eudora right now -- I have
both individual and digest formats available to work with) that I want to
move into a searchable Web archive; can AutoShare make this happen in a
way that isn't too painful (manual editing or very time consuming =
painful <G>)?
4) Can the Web archiving be organized by thread, or is it strictly
consecutive by order served?
And a question on importing addresses:
5) I have about 400 subscribers I will need to move from a Macjordomo
list into AutoShare. So far I've been unsuccessful at figuring out how to
do that; Macj has a nice export feature, but I can't find a way to import
them into AutoShare.
Thanks for helping an AutoShare Newbie...so far I'm impressed with
AutoShare, but I had to get out my mountain climbing gear to handle the
learning curve <G>. With just a couple of sleepless nights I've made good
progress.
Bob
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:31:38 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: RE: Subscription/unsubscription via web page
I was reminded that formats change over time and in different software. The
application/x-www-form-urlencoded deal apparently worked fine in Netscape
3.x, but not in for instance Internet Explorer 4.x. So I have instead
resorted to parsing the message body to establish if it originates from a
form with a mailto: action. That'll be in 3.0.2b6.
At 07:32 -0800 11/10/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> how about using the File Mail AppleScript command in AutoShare btw?
This was on the other hand aimed at a form action targeting a cgi. By
calling the File Mail command using the e-mail and command values submitted
via the form, a message file is put in the Filed Mail folder as if it were
a standard e-mail request.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:57:49 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Web Archiving, Importing Subscribers
At 15:24 -0500 11/11/98, Bob Bergey wrote:
> 1) Could someone point me to their site where you're using the Web
> archiving feature already, so I can observe it in action on your site?
<http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/>
> 2) My ultimate goal is to create a password protected, searchable
> archive. Is anyone doing this based on the built in Web archiving, or any
> other way on a Mac server?
The standard html archives are searchable via e-mail, but you're probably
talking about using a web browser targeting the automated web archives. It
would seem as if some third-party utility could do it.
> 3) I already have about 14,000 messages (in Eudora right now -- I have
> both individual and digest formats available to work with) that I want to
> move into a searchable Web archive; can AutoShare make this happen in a
> way that isn't too painful (manual editing or very time consuming =
> painful <G>)?
I don't know of any direct conversion. You can of course script Eudora to
resend all of those messages to a list and watch the archives grow; make
sure that the outgoing list contribution message files are being discarded.
> 4) Can the Web archiving be organized by thread, or is it strictly
> consecutive by order served?
The latter. The former is a non-trival task.
> And a question on importing addresses:
>
> 5) I have about 400 subscribers I will need to move from a Macjordomo
> list into AutoShare. So far I've been unsuccessful at figuring out how to
> do that; Macj has a nice export feature, but I can't find a way to import
> them into AutoShare.
The 'Drag and drop onto AutoShare' section in the documentation may be of
some help to you.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:58:47 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 3.0.2b6
The 3.0.2b6 archive has been uploaded to
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
3.0.2b6 addresses a few web form related issues by enhancing the server
application support for mailto: actions and by including an autoshare.cgi
requiring no third-party utilities and supporting forms whose action
targets it.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:37:05 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Leave Headers Alone?
Is there any way to get AutoShare to not rewrite 822 headers (e.g., to,
cc, reply-to)?
Also, is there a way to set the return-path per list, and have it add a
Sender header (with the same value as return-path)?
These are standard practice on the IETF lists that I participate in,
and I find them helpful. Sometimes people send a message to more than
one list (with good reason), or include other people in the to or cc
headers, and it is useful to see this.
Setting the return-path (and adding a Sender header) per-list makes it
easy to filter messages from each list, even if the list name either
doesn't appear in the to/cc headers, or more than one list appears.
I've just starting using AutoShare and am quite impressed with it.
Probably there are ways to do what I want, but I didn't understand the
documentation well enough.
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:00:47 +0000
Subject: Re: Leave Headers Alone?
From: "James Berriman" <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Randy wrote:
>Also, is there a way to set the return-path per list, and have it add a
>Sender header (with the same value as return-path)?
[snip]
>Setting the return-path (and adding a Sender header) per-list makes it
>easy to filter messages from each list, even if the list name either
>doesn't appear in the to/cc headers, or more than one list appears.
AutoShare uses Errors-To: rather than Sender:
(There is a reasonable interpretation of rfc 822 which says that Sender:
should only be used by the original sender of a message, and the MLM is not
the original sender. Of course, I realise that common practice contradicts
this. Life is never that simple!).
Each AutoShare preference set has one bounce account. This address is
usually handled by AutoShare's built-in bounce module. All list messages
will have that address in the return path and Errors-To: header.
>Errors-To: bounce at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (AutoShare bounce account)
Currently, you can't have separate bounce accounts for each list. One
possible option would be to introduce 'listname-errors@' for each list. A
logical extension of the mechanism which supports listname-request@,
listname-on@, etc. This would also have the benefit that individual
listowners could choose to have the listname-errors@ account forwarded to
themselves rather than the automatic bounce module, if they so wished.
Mikael, what do you think?
( :-]) James
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:12:09 +0000
Subject: Re: Leave Headers Alone?
From: "James Berriman" <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org> wrote:
>Setting the return-path (and adding a Sender header) per-list makes it
>easy to filter messages from each list, even if the list name either
>doesn't appear in the to/cc headers, or more than one list appears.
On the subject of filtering, you can filter on the List-Post: header, which
clearly identifies the list.
>List-Post: <mailto:autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
List-Post: has the advantage over Sender: of being defined in an rfc (rfc
2369).
( :-]) James
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:55:42 +0000
Subject: Re: Leave Headers Alone?
From: "James Berriman" <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
I wrote:
>List-Post: has the advantage over Sender: of being defined in an rfc (rfc
>2369).
I meant, of course, in the specific context of mailing lists :-)
The List-Post: header is unambigously defined for the purposes of mailing
list management software. I don't believe the same can be said of Sender:
( :-]) James
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:32:11 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Leave Headers Alone?
At 12:37 -0800 11/13/98, Randall Gellens wrote:
> Is there any way to get AutoShare to not rewrite 822 headers (e.g., to,
> cc, reply-to)?
AutoShare only changes the To: field in a few specific rare instances and
never changes the Cc field, I believe.
I can add an option for not adding a Reply-To field. Reply-To: sender works
the same way, but is an "extra" field.
> Also, is there a way to set the return-path per list,
The mail server is the one adding this field for list contributions.
> and have it add a Sender header (with the same value as return-path)?
I don't think the Sender field is added or changed.
> I've just starting using AutoShare and am quite impressed with it.
Thanks!
At 15:00 +0000 11/14/98, James Berriman wrote:
> (There is a reasonable interpretation of rfc 822 which says that Sender:
> should only be used by the original sender of a message, and the MLM is not
> the original sender. Of course, I realise that common practice contradicts
> this. Life is never that simple!).
Yes, this is really where it's at. It's interesting, in part because it's a
core topic and in part because we may never stop talking about what we
prefer.
> AutoShare uses Errors-To: rather than Sender:
That may be simplifying it though.
> One possible option would be to introduce 'listname-errors@' for each list.
Perhaps, although it's one more step towards widening the gap between the
original message and the posted list contribution.
> List-Post: has the advantage over Sender: of being defined in an rfc (rfc
> 2369).
Yes, indeed. List-Post is newer though.
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 18:37:37 +0000
Subject: Re: Leave Headers Alone?
From: "James Berriman" <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Mikael wrote:
>At 12:37 -0800 11/13/98, Randall Gellens wrote:
>> Also, is there a way to set the return-path per list,
>
>The mail server is the one adding this field for list contributions.
I presumed that he was referring to the envelope address inserted by
AutoShare (the address of the bounce account), which shows up as the
Return-Path: header when delivered.
>> One possible option would be to introduce 'listname-errors@' for each list.
>
>Perhaps, although it's one more step towards widening the gap between the
>original message and the posted list contribution.
I'm not quite sure what you mean here!
How does this
Errors-To: autoshare-talk-errors at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
widen the gap when compared to this?
Errors-To: bounce at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (AutoShare bounce account)
( :-]) James
BTW, as the IETF was mentioned, I may as well point out that there's a draft
which should eventually supersede rfc 822.
For those who are interested it's at
<ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-drums-msg-fmt-05.txt>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:56:57 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Leave Headers Alone?
At 18:37 +0000 11/14/98, James Berriman wrote:
>>The mail server is the one adding this field for list contributions.
>
> I presumed that he was referring to the envelope address inserted by
> AutoShare (the address of the bounce account), which shows up as the
> Return-Path: header when delivered.
Okay, I see. Not easy waking up from ten hours of sleep :-)
>>> One possible option would be to introduce 'listname-errors@' for each list.
>>
>>Perhaps, although it's one more step towards widening the gap between the
>>original message and the posted list contribution.
>
> I'm not quite sure what you mean here!
Bringing up the listname-errors field hilites the Errors-To field as
originally being an additional and perhaps not strictly necessary field.
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:28:26 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: Leave Headers Alone?
At 9:32 AM -0800 11/14/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> AutoShare only changes the To: field in a few specific rare instances and
> never changes the Cc field, I believe.
What are the circumstances where it changes the To: header?
> I can add an option for not adding a Reply-To field. Reply-To: sender works
> the same way, but is an "extra" field.
An option to not set Reply-To would be great!
>> Also, is there a way to set the return-path per list,
>
> The mail server is the one adding this field for list contributions.
Yes, I meant setting the SMTP envelope return-path. I assume it sets it to
the bounce account. What I'd like is to have the bounce account be
list-specific, even though it all ends up in the same folder.
>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:33:18 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: Leave Headers Alone?
At 11:56 AM -0800 11/14/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> Bringing up the listname-errors field hilites the Errors-To field as
> originally being an additional and perhaps not strictly necessary field.
Errors-To isn't the point. A list-specific address is. I'd like to have
fun-l-errors be the SMTP envelope return-path for fun-l, instead of one
address for all lists. I'd then set EIMS to deliver mail addressed there
to the bounce folder.
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:03:04 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Leave Headers Alone?
At 13:28 -0800 11/14/98, Randall Gellens wrote:
> An option to not set Reply-To would be great!
At the top of my to-do list.
> Yes, I meant setting the SMTP envelope return-path.
Ditto. As in <list>-errors@domain, that is.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 00:15:47 +0000
Subject: rfc 2142
From: "James Berriman" <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
AutoShare now complies with rfc 2142 (the -request address). A nice bullet
point for the release notes, Mikael!
From rfc 2142:
6. MAILING LIST ADMINISTRATION MAILBOX
Mailing lists have an administrative mailbox name to which add/drop
requests and other meta-queries can be sent.
For a mailing list whose submission mailbox name is:
<LIST@DOMAIN>
there MUST be the administrative mailbox name:
<LIST-REQUEST@DOMAIN>
Distribution List management software, such as MajorDomo and
Listserv, also have a single mailbox name associated with the
software on that system -- usually the name of the software -- rather
than a particular list on that system. Use of such mailbox names
requires participants to know the type of list software employed at
the site. This is problematic. Consequently:
LIST-SPECIFIC (-REQUEST) MAILBOX NAMES ARE REQUIRED,
INDEPENDENT OF THE AVAILABILITY OF GENERIC LIST SOFTWARE
MAILBOX NAMES.
( :-]) James
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:55:21 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: rfc 2142
At 00:15 +0000 11/15/98, James Berriman wrote:
> AutoShare now complies with rfc 2142 (the -request address). A nice bullet
> point for the release notes, Mikael!
Good to hear! --> Thanks for suggesting it, Randall :-)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 18:46:21 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Version 3.0.2 released
This partial archive has been uploaded to
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/>
If you haven't upgraded to 3.0, there is a complete 3.0.2 archive at
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/AutoShare-More>
Date: 16 Nov 98 09:44:02 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: Version 3.0.2 released
Reply to: RE: Version 3.0.2 released
Autoshare3.0.2 is available by mail.
Send mail to
mailit at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us
with the word =
Autoshare3.0.2
in the subject line.
Those regularly using this service should note that mail to
mailit at stumail.hopkins.k12.mn dot us
with =
Autoshare
in the subject line will return a document indicating the current versions =
of autoshare that are available and how to get them.
Please contact me directly if you have any problems with this service.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:33:03 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Version 3.0.2 at dcl.co.uk
Now available at:
<mailto:AutoShare-software at dcl.co.uk?subject=AutoShare-3.0.2 dot sit>
and <http://www.dcl.co.uk/MacOS/email/autoshare/AutoShare-3.0.2.sit.bin>
( :-]) James
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:17:57 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: Leave Headers Alone?
At 3:03 PM -0800 11/14/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> At 13:28 -0800 11/14/98, Randall Gellens wrote:
>
>> An option to not set Reply-To would be great!
>
> At the top of my to-do list.
Thank you!
>
>> Yes, I meant setting the SMTP envelope return-path.
>
> Ditto. As in <list>-errors@domain, that is.
Super! I really appreciate it!
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:13:10 +0000
From: Bill Bedford <billbpm at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: P rocess extender scripts
I had an interesting and frustrating couple of hours last night getting a
process extender script to work with AS 3.0. This is a before processing
script which filters Mime encoded posts. The problem was that the list name
is 'Scalefour_list' and applescript treats an underscore as a whitespace.
So calling
first word of kRecipient
will not return the name of the list.
So I tried splitting kRecipient at '@' using the ACME osax
set myList to tokenize kRecipient with delimiters "@"
and then with
set myList to words in kRecipient as list
Both of these run from the script editor but fail with a -1700 error in the
process extender script.
I eventually used
set x to 1
set myList to ""
repeat
if word x of kRecipient = "@" then
exit repeat
else
set myList to myList & word x of kRecipient
end if
set x to x + 1
end repeat
but I would be interested to know if there is a conflict between
applescript's list type and something in autoshare.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:15:02 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Leave Headers Alone?
At 09:17 -0800 11/16/98, Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 3:03 PM -0800 11/14/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>> At 13:28 -0800 11/14/98, Randall Gellens wrote:
>>
>>> An option to not set Reply-To would be great!
>>
>> At the top of my to-do list.
>
> Thank you!
Just in case you haven't found it in 3.0.2, it's in the Admin's List window
as an added None radio button for the Reply-To field.
>
>>
>>> Yes, I meant setting the SMTP envelope return-path.
>>
>> Ditto. As in <list>-errors@domain, that is.
>
> Super! I really appreciate it!
See here for details:
Running the server
Interfaces
AutoShare server application
Bounce account
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:19:04 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: P rocess extender scripts
At 11:13 +0000 11/16/98, Bill Bedford wrote:
> The problem was that the list name is 'Scalefour_list' and applescript
> treats an underscore as a whitespace.
My quick answer to the AppleScript delimiter thing is to check out the code
in my AppleScript autoshare.cgi, that I updated the other day and which is
part of 3.0.2.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:00:06 -0600
From: Brian McEwen <bmcewen at brian1.cvm.okstate dot edu>
Subject: Autoshare for SE?
heh, first time I sent this, I asked "which Autoshare version for SE" and
got it bounced back at me...
Hello all;
I've set up a spare SE (68000, OS7.5.5, 4 megs RAM, 1.2 gig HD) which will
be running Netpresenz 4.1 and AIMS 1.0 (if someone has the old AIMS 1.1b
around, is it
stable enough to rely on?). I still have about 400K free RAM, and was
wondering about running an old version of AutoShare.
All the old versions are up on the web page (which is great!) and later
this week I'll start trying them out. In the meantime, if there is an
older version
which I should best use, please let me know details. This is for light
use. It needs to squash into say 350K RAM without having trouble. I'm not
sure if any of the versions do that...I checked pretty thoroughly on the
home page, but didn't see this sort of info about the older releases.
Comments on other releases of AIMS are appreciated too, if anyone recalls
useful info.
EIMS 1.3.1 needs a 68020 and cannot run on this little SE, so I'm using
AIMS. Perhaps if I find an SE/030 motherboard sometime...
Thanks for info!
Brian
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:54:37 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: P rocess extender scripts
************************************************************
ATTENTION PLEASE
Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
You cannot post to a list, unless you are a subscriber
The list server address is autoshare at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
************************************************************
At 11:13 AM +0000 11/16/98, Bill Bedford wrote:
> The problem was that the list name
> is 'Scalefour_list' and applescript treats an underscore as a whitespace.
I just tried this, and it seems to work for me. Am I misunderstanding
the problem?
Here is the sample script I used:
set kRecipient to "Scalefour_list@mydomain"
set origDelims to text item delimiters of AppleScript
set text item delimiters of AppleScript to {"@"}
set recip_list to every text item in kRecipient
set text item delimiters of AppleScript to origDelims
set itemCount to count of items in recip_list
display dialog kRecipient & " contains " & itemCount & " items"
repeat with itemX from 1 to itemCount
display dialog "item " & itemX & ": " & (item itemX of
recip_list) as string
end repeat
--
Randall Gellens
randy at pensive dot org
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:41:40 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: "Review" shows zero users
Anyone have any idea why the review <list> command shows zero users?
>The subscribers to the list are:
>
>--- acs-newsletter ---
>
>Total subscribers: 0
>
>Message subscribers: 0
>Digest subscribers: 0
>
>Process time was 5.45 seconds
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:55:35 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare for SE?
At 16:00 -0600 11/16/98, Brian McEwen wrote:
> heh, first time I sent this, I asked "which Autoshare version for SE" and
> got it bounced back at me...
Glad to see it works :-)
> It needs to squash into say 350K RAM without having trouble.
I'm afraid that'll be less than likely, as version 1.0 took up 448K. I find
it almost unbelievable that 3.0.2 (68K) eats up only 768K (1.71 ratio) when
I think of what has happened since then!
Around half a year ago I had nothing to do one day, so I toyed around with
Pro vs Lite versions; I managed to strip down the latter to around 620K,
but had to give up so many major features that I figured it wasn't worth it.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:57:17 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: "Review" shows zero users
At 18:41 -0800 11/16/98, Mark Hartman wrote:
> Anyone have any idea why the review <list> command shows zero users?
Assuming you're using the standard subscriber format, it could be because
a. there are no subscribers, b. a file was open, c. a file system error or
d. low on memory for some reason.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:48:19 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: "Review" shows zero users
At 12:57 AM -0800 11/17/1998, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 18:41 -0800 11/16/98, Mark Hartman wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any idea why the review <list> command shows zero users?
>
>Assuming you're using the standard subscriber format, it could be because
>a. there are no subscribers,
Nope. Over 700 subscribers to this list, and version 2.2 reported the
number properly
>b. a file was open,
Except by AutoShare itself - nope.
>c. a file system error or
None reported, and this problem is very consistent.
>d. low on memory for some reason.
Perhaps; I didn't change AutoShare's memory allocation before reporting
this. And increasing the memory allocation (to triple the recommended
size) does nothing to help.
As for "standard subscriber format," I have the database format set to
"Standard;" should I set it to something else, like "Built-in?" Does
AS automatically convert the current subscriber list when I do this?
BTW, list submissions seem to be distributed properly.
TIA for any help.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:43:40 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: "Review" shows zero users
At 18:41 -0800 11/16/98, Mark Hartman wrote:
> Anyone have any idea why the review <list> command shows zero users?
It'll happen if the request specifies a parameter following the list
parameter in the review command (as in REVIEW <list> [<e-mail>] to track
down a given e-mail address only) and the specified e-mail address is not
subscribed.
If your review document includes a /=original token, the request response
that you posted a part of can tell you if that extra parameter was used by
the sender.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:42:49 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Version 3.0.2 released
At 6:46 PM -0800 on 11/15/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> This partial archive has been uploaded to
>
> <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/>
>
or http://pascal-central.com/autoshare/autoshare3.0.2.bin
> If you haven't upgraded to 3.0, there is a complete 3.0.2 archive at
>
> <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/AutoShare-More>
>
or http://pascal-central.com/autoshare/autoshare3.0.bin
(binhex at http://pascal-central.com/autoshare/autoshare3.0.hqx)
Cheers,
Bill
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From: Laine Lee <LLee at utsa dot edu>
Subject: autoshare.cgi with 3.0.2 - scripting additions needed to recompil
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:09:44 -0600
Hi,
I used the autoshare.cgi and form.html document included with
3.0.2 and they work fine. I wanted,however, to include a message in the
returned html page that contains some kind of confirmation that the
action was completed, such as "Subscription request sent - press the
back button in your browser." I tried to open the cgi app to edit it but
found that I can't get it to compile, even if I copy the existing script
into an empty Applescript window. Do I need some extra scripting
additions to do that?
Thanks.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:09:35 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: "Review" shows zero users
At 7:43 AM -0800 11/17/1998, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 18:41 -0800 11/16/98, Mark Hartman wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any idea why the review <list> command shows zero users?
>
>It'll happen if the request specifies a parameter following the list
>parameter in the review command (as in REVIEW <list> [<e-mail>] to track
>down a given e-mail address only) and the specified e-mail address is not
>subscribed.
It doesn't. It's just "review acs-newsletter" and nothing else.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:14:15 -0500
From: "Michael J. Vinca" <mjv2411 at ritvax.isc.rit dot edu>
Subject: Files for Subscribing are Filtered
Because of the use of labs here at RIT, people do not use Web-browsers
that are configured to their e-mail addresses. As a result I wrote a
CGI that asks for their address and what they want to do, creates an
e-mail for them, and places it in the Filed Mail folder. The
Applescript commands is as follows:
tell application "AutoShare" to ¬
Send Mail To {Email:to_address, Ename:"List Server"} From
{Email:from_address, Ename:"Web Poster"} ¬
Subject "Web Post" Body File ¬
(docsPath & "lists$cgi$temp.txt") Precedence "bulk"
The file is created in the Filed Mail folder and an example follows:
*--Begin b2776c3e
Return-Path: <mjv2411 at rit dot edu>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
To: autoshare at newman.rit dot edu (List Server)
Precedence: bulk
From: mjv2411 at rit dot edu (Web Poster)
Errors-To: bounce at newman.rit dot edu (bounce)
Subject: Web Post
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:08:46 -0500
Message-Id: <022763231575959197547 at newman.rit dot edu>
subscribe talk
*--End b2776c3e
When Autoshare Processes this file, it will say "b2776c3e - not
processed (Filter Applied)"
I have set res #201 string 23 to both 0 and 1 and this doesn't seem to help.
(I switched it using remote admin and then issuing a run command afterward)
There are no files in my Filters folder.
What am I doing wrong?
Michael J. Vinca
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:09:17 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: autoshare.cgi with 3.0.2 - scripting additions needed to
At 10:09 -0600 11/17/98, Laine Lee wrote:
> Do I need some extra scripting additions to do that?
You shouldn't have to (unless I used some 8.5 stuff). What kind of error do
you get and where in the script?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:17:51 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Files for Subscribing are Filtered
At 18:14 -0500 11/17/98, Michael J. Vinca wrote:
> Because of the use of labs here at RIT, people do not use Web-browsers
> that are configured to their e-mail addresses. As a result I wrote a
> CGI that asks for their address and what they want to do, creates an
> e-mail for them, and places it in the Filed Mail folder.
My autoshare.cgi incidently does just that :-)
> Precedence "bulk"
> it will say "b2776c3e - not processed (Filter Applied)"
Because the server filters bulk messages.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:00:54 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: "Review" shows zero users
At 18:41 -0800 11/16/98, Mark Hartman wrote:
> Anyone have any idea why the review <list> command shows zero users?
It turns out that if the review is configured to suppress the listing of
the subscribers, the totals aren't updated either... Fairly new, I think.
From: Laine Lee <LLee at utsa dot edu>
Subject: RE: autoshare.cgi with 3.0.2 - scripting additions needed to reco
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:36:59 -0600
Hi Mikael,
Thanks for responding, it certainly is a treat to get messages from a
software designer who tries as hard as you do to answer help requests.
I'm using 8.5 also.
The error is "Expected end of line but found property" with the
following item selected on line 9:
http_search_args (the second item following "|").
> ----------
> From: Mikael Hansen
> Reply To: autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 11:09 PM
> To: autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
> Subject: Re: autoshare.cgi with 3.0.2 - scripting additions
> needed to recompile?
>
> At 10:09 -0600 11/17/98, Laine Lee wrote:
>
> > Do I need some extra scripting additions to do that?
>
> You shouldn't have to (unless I used some 8.5 stuff). What kind of
> error do
> you get and where in the script?
>
> ** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
> ** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/>
>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:31:54 -0800
From: "Terry R. Schussler" <schussler at gmatter dot com>
Subject: Re: "Review" shows zero users
At 12:00 AM -0800 11/18/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> At 18:41 -0800 11/16/98, Mark Hartman wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any idea why the review <list> command shows zero users?
>
> It turns out that if the review is configured to suppress the listing of
> the subscribers, the totals aren't updated either... Fairly new, I think.
>
I can confirm this on my system. I'm running 3.0b5 (sorry, but my schedule
hasn't given me time to update to 3.0.2 yet) and if I have names
suppressed, I always get a list total of 0.
Regards,
Terry
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