The autoshare-talk list archive ending on 9 Mar 2000
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. The list has moved
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:29:20 -0800
2. Re: The list has moved
Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:51:16 -0800
3. Re: The list has moved
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
01 Feb 00 16:36:50 -0600
4. Autoshare File Changes/Updates
"Andrew R. Schmiechen" <aschmiechen at discovercolor dot com>
Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:44:52 -0600
5. RE: Autoshare File Changes/Updates
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
02 Feb 00 12:07:26 -0600
6. Re: Autoshare File Changes/Updates
Tod Fitch <tod at LTFdesign dot com>
Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:48:50 -0800
7. Re: Autoshare File Changes/Updates
James Berriman <james at acoustic.demon.co dot uk>
Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:21:34 +0000
8. HTML Archives
Matthew Hill <happytwo at milepost1 dot com>
Thu, 03 Feb 2000 06:11:14 -0800
9. Re: Autoshare File Changes/Updates
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 3 Feb 2000 07:21:18 -0800
10. Re: HTML Archives
James Berriman <james at acoustic.demon.co dot uk>
Thu, 3 Feb 2000 17:26:27 +0000
11. monthly help file settings
Ken Tuley <tuley at aps dot edu>
Thu, 03 Feb 2000 22:24:53 -0700
12. Re: monthly help file settings
Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:21:43 -0800
13. Re: monthly help file settings
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:18:06 -0800
14. Inconsistent review
HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Mon, 7 Feb 2000 01:00:42 +0100
15. Re: Inconsistent review
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:22:48 -0800
16. automatic subscription addresses
Carter Bing <carter at drum.ncat dot edu>
Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:53:04 -0500 (EST)
17. Re: Inconsistent review
HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:30:07 +0100
18. Re: Inconsistent review
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:06:51 -0800
19. Remote subscribing
Bill Bedford <billbpm at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:06:07 +0000
20. Re: Remote subscribing
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:39:30 -0800
21. Problems with vacation notice
Jari Lehto <jlehto at postimies.maccarry dot fi>
Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:22:07 +0200
22. Re: Problems with vacation notice
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:50:21 -0800 (PST)
23. AutoShare 4.2b1
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:22:15 -0800
24. Third Time's the Charm?
Bruce O'Leary <auto.share at bruceoleary dot com>
Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:16:11 -0500
25. Re: Third Time's the Charm?
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:25:57 -0500
26. Re: Third Time's the Charm?
Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:34:59 -0800
27. Post and auto-respond
Steve Jones <sjones at info.comm.uic dot edu>
Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:22:01 -0600
28. Re: Post and auto-respond
Tod Fitch <tod at LTFdesign dot com>
Thu, 02 Mar 2000 07:51:26 -0800
29. Re: Post and auto-respond
Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:22:28 -0800
30. Re: AutoShare 4.2b1
Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:35:49 -0800
31. Re: Third Time's the Charm?
Bruce O'Leary <auto.share at bruceoleary dot com>
Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:29:41 -0500
32. Re: Post and auto-respond
Steve Jones <sjones at info.comm.uic dot edu>
Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:58:18 -0600
33. Re: Post and auto-respond
Jeffrey Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:32:45 -0600
34. Re: Third Time's the Charm?
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
03 Mar 00 08:47:50 -0600
35. Re: Post and auto-respond
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:40:40 -0800
36. Re: Third Time's the Charm?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:50:10 -0800
37. MIME Digests from Autoshare?
Keith 'Tak' Takayesu <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:58:10 -0500
38. Autoshare Digests and HTML
Keith 'Tak' Takayesu <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:01:15 -0500
39. Re: MIME Digests from Autoshare?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:45:28 -0800
40. Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:46:00 -0800
41. Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
"Keith 'Tak' Takayesu" <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:20:38 -0500
42. Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
"Charles L. Martin" <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:20:07 -0500
43. Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
Keith 'Tak' Takayesu <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:27:24 -0500
44. Sample HTML Message, was Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
Keith 'Tak' Takayesu <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:31:04 -0500
45. Newbie question...
Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:10:03 -0500
46. Can AutoShare do this?
Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:30:10 -0500
47. Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:33:49 -0800
48. Re: Newbie question...
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:46:44 -0800
49. Re: Can AutoShare do this?
Michael Croft <michael at whiterose dot org>
Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:17:54 -0600
50. Re: Can AutoShare do this?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:43:15 -0800
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:29:20 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: The list has moved
Please welcome Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org> as the new
listmaster of the AutoShare lists. Being an active contributor on the
talk list, Randy is a familar face to us all, and I hope he may
formally introduce himself to us in taking the new role as captain of
the lists. The smooth move to the new site is much appreciated. Thank
you, Randy.
I'd like to thank James Berriman. James has been an immensely capable
listmaster of the AutoShare lists for close to four years and a
friend, I hope, also for many years to come. I had the pleasure of
visting him in England the last time I was on vacation in Denmark,
and that was fun. Thanks again, James!
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:51:16 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: The list has moved
At 7:29 AM -0800 2/1/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> Please welcome Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org> as the new
> listmaster of the AutoShare lists.
Thanks, Mikael. For those who don't know me, I live in San Diego and
work for the Eudora division of Qualcomm, mostly on servers.
Previously, I was with Unisys/Burroughs for 14 years, where I did OS
and Kernel development, plus a couple of email systems. I've been
active in email development for far longer than I care to admit.
I think AutoShare is a really cool piece of software, and am very
happy to help out by hosting the lists. My style as a list manager
is very much that of a roi fainéant (a pretentious way of saying I
prefer to do as little as possible).
> I'd like to thank James Berriman. James has been an immensely
> capable listmaster
Indeed. Thank you, James.
--
--
Randall Gellens Randy at Pensive dot Org
---------------------- (randomly-selected tag) ---------------------
I love the smell of excessive quoting in the morning.
--Steve Dorner
Date: 01 Feb 00 16:36:50 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: The list has moved
Reply to: Re: The list has moved
Welcome Randall
I like invisible kings.....(or whatever kind of kings you were referring =
to :-> )
And thank you James...from all of us.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======
Randall Gellens wrote:
>At 7:29 AM -0800 2/1/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>
>> Please welcome Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org> as the new =
>> listmaster of the AutoShare lists.
>
>Thanks, Mikael. For those who don't know me, I live in San Diego and =
>work for the Eudora division of Qualcomm, mostly on servers. =
>Previously, I was with Unisys/Burroughs for 14 years, where I did OS =
>and Kernel development, plus a couple of email systems. I've been =
>active in email development for far longer than I care to admit.
>
>I think AutoShare is a really cool piece of software, and am very =
>happy to help out by hosting the lists. My style as a list manager =
>is very much that of a roi fainéant (a pretentious way of saying I =
>prefer to do as little as possible).
>
>> I'd like to thank James Berriman. James has been an immensely =
>> capable listmaster
>
>Indeed. Thank you, James.
>
>-- =
>
>--
>Randall Gellens Randy at Pensive dot Org
>---------------------- (randomly-selected tag) ---------------------
>I love the smell of excessive quoting in the morning.
> --Steve Dorner
>
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Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:44:52 -0600
Subject: Autoshare File Changes/Updates
From: "Andrew R. Schmiechen" <aschmiechen at discovercolor dot com>
Hello:
I've been running AutoShare with SIMS for about 6 months just to manage a
single mailing list for all of our company's employees. Just yesterday, I
went to add a second list and ran into a road block. The problem was, that
while testing, the <list>.m and <list>.d files did not update as soon as
someone subscribes to a list. Letting my problem sit over night, I came in
to work this morning to find all the people listed in the <list>.m file that
subscribed earlier the previous day.
I guess my question is, how often does AutoShare write to the <list>.m and
<list>.d files, and is this configurable?
Thanks!
-A.
Date: 02 Feb 00 12:07:26 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: Autoshare File Changes/Updates
Reply to: RE: Autoshare File Changes/Updates
.m and .d files are updated whenever a message is sent out.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======
Andrew R. Schmiechen wrote:
>Hello:
>
>I've been running AutoShare with SIMS for about 6 months just to manage a
>single mailing list for all of our company's employees. Just yesterday, =
I
>went to add a second list and ran into a road block. The problem was, =
that
>while testing, the <list>.m and <list>.d files did not update as soon as
>someone subscribes to a list. Letting my problem sit over night, I came =
in
>to work this morning to find all the people listed in the <list>.m file =
that
>subscribed earlier the previous day.
>
>I guess my question is, how often does AutoShare write to the <list>.m =
and
><list>.d files, and is this configurable?
>
>Thanks!
>
>-A.
>
>
>
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> Subject: Autoshare File Changes/Updates
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Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:48:50 -0800
From: Tod Fitch <tod at LTFdesign dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare File Changes/Updates
My experience using AutoShare and SIMS is that the <list>.d and <list.m>
files are updated when mail is sent though the list. No list postings -> no
update of .d and .m files.
Regards,
Tod
At 09:44 AM 2/2/2000 , Andrew R. Schmiechen wrote:
>Hello:
>
>I've been running AutoShare with SIMS for about 6 months just to manage a
>single mailing list for all of our company's employees. Just yesterday, I
>went to add a second list and ran into a road block. The problem was, that
>while testing, the <list>.m and <list>.d files did not update as soon as
>someone subscribes to a list. Letting my problem sit over night, I came in
>to work this morning to find all the people listed in the <list>.m file that
>subscribed earlier the previous day.
>
>I guess my question is, how often does AutoShare write to the <list>.m and
><list>.d files, and is this configurable?
>
>Thanks!
>
>-A.
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:21:34 +0000
From: James Berriman <james at acoustic.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: Autoshare File Changes/Updates
At 11:44 am -0600 2/2/00, Andrew R. Schmiechen wrote:
>I guess my question is, how often does AutoShare write to the <list>.m and
><list>.d files, and is this configurable?
As others have mentioned, the .m and .d files of a specific list are
updated whenever a message is sent to that list. The .d files are
also updated when a list digest goes out. It's not configurable.
As a matter of interest, I've also noticed that the .m files of
_every_ list are updated when digests are scheduled to go out - even
if no digest is sent. I've often wondered why?
>Thanks!
>
>-A.
You're welcome :-)
( :-]) James
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 06:11:14 -0800
From: Matthew Hill <happytwo at milepost1 dot com>
Subject: HTML Archives
I am having a problem with the HTML archives. The current HTML list the headers and the links for list contributions. However the actual message is not being
written.
It looks like the text version is ok. Does anyone know what i have configured wrong?
And after i get it working correctly (assuming i do ;-) ) is there a way to fix the ones that are wrong?
Thanks
Matthew
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 07:21:18 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare File Changes/Updates
At 23:21 +0000 2/2/2000, James Berriman wrote:
>As a matter of interest, I've also noticed that the .m files of
>_every_ list are updated when digests are scheduled to go out - even
>if no digest is sent. I've often wondered why?
Just a matter of being lazy and playing it safe, as the overhead is minimal.
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 17:26:27 +0000
From: James Berriman <james at acoustic.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: HTML Archives
At 6:11 am -0800 3/2/00, Matthew Hill wrote:
>I am having a problem with the HTML archives. The current HTML list
>the headers and the links for list contributions. However the
>actual message is not being
>written.
>
>It looks like the text version is ok. Does anyone know what i have
>configured wrong?
>And after i get it working correctly (assuming i do ;-) ) is there
>a way to fix the ones that are wrong?
>
>Thanks
>Matthew
The HTML archives consist of two separate files. These are combined
by AutoShare and returned as a complete archive file when a GET
request is sent by mail.
The HTML archives (intended to be returned by email) are therefore
quite distinct from the Web archives (intended to be read by a
browser).
Do you have a valid web path set up for your lists?
Once you do, AutoShare should build a new set of web archives from
your HTML archives.
( :-]) James
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 22:24:53 -0700
Subject: monthly help file settings
From: Ken Tuley <tuley at aps dot edu>
I have 37 lists hosted by autoshare...what a great program.
Anyway, maintaining my outgoing monthly help letters is becoming a pain as I
make adjustments to the letter, and then have to duplicate it 3x times.
Can I make one letter to send to all, yet retain the customization
(individual list names and addresses, etc)
Ken Tuley, ADE (Apple Distinguished Educator) Office: (505) 256-4269
Manager, Software & Training Services Fax: (505) 256-4452
APS Information Technology Services tuley at software.aps dot edu
220 Monroe SE tuley at aps dot edu
Albuquerque, NM 87108 http://www.aps.edu
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:21:43 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: monthly help file settings
At 10:24 PM -0700 2/3/00, Ken Tuley wrote:
> Anyway, maintaining my outgoing monthly help letters is becoming a pain as I
> make adjustments to the letter, and then have to duplicate it 3x times.
>
> Can I make one letter to send to all, yet retain the customization
> (individual list names and addresses, etc)
I agree, this is something I've been wanting for a while. The
ability to have one stock document (for Subscribe, Monthly, etc.) yet
customize it with tokens would be great. Something like '/=include
<file>'.
--
--
Randall Gellens Randy at Pensive dot Org
---------------------- (randomly-selected tag) ---------------------
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always
so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
--Bertrand Russell
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:18:06 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: monthly help file settings
At 22:24 -0700 2/3/2000, Ken Tuley wrote:
>I have 37 lists hosted by autoshare...what a great program.
Thanks. That's a lot of lists :-)
>Anyway, maintaining my outgoing monthly help letters is becoming a pain as I
>make adjustments to the letter, and then have to duplicate it 3x times.
This tidbit in the documentation may be of some help: If several
lists are to share one monthly help document, you may create aliases
reflecting the normal file name format and pointing to the same
document.
>Can I make one letter to send to all, yet retain the customization
>(individual list names and addresses, etc)
Using the above alias approach, the RFC header reflects the list in
question, but the body is the same.
At 09:21 -0800 2/4/2000, Randall Gellens wrote:
>I agree, this is something I've been wanting for a while. The
>ability to have one stock document (for Subscribe, Monthly, etc.)
>yet customize it with tokens would be great. Something like
>'/=include <file>'.
Yes, /=include is a good suggestion. I'll look into it.
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 01:00:42 +0100
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Inconsistent review
Is there any reason why admin review command (<password> review
anything <listname>) would return incorrect results when using the
internal database format?
When I use the admin review, AutoShare responds with the old version,
just before switching to the database format. But when I use standard
review command, it's OK.
I am using AutoShare 4.0.
HOnza
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/\/\/\ HOnza - developing software for people
\ \/ /\/\ \/ / not for computers
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:22:48 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Inconsistent review
At 01:00 +0100 2/7/2000, HOnza Koudelka wrote:
>Is there any reason why admin review command (<password> review
>anything <listname>) would return incorrect results when using the
>internal database format?
>
>When I use the admin review, AutoShare responds with the old
>version, just before switching to the database format. But when I
>use standard review command, it's OK.
For lists using the internal database format, the review command in
remote administration by e-mail requires the use of a process
extender to return the proper list of subscribers. That's because the
internal database format offers a different structure and additional
fields beyond the scope of the standard subscriber format.
You would want to look at the Review process extender sample of type
Remote, included in the AutoShare release archive. Having this
functionality in a script enables you to decide which data you want
shown and how this data should be shown. The sample puts this in a
separate message file.
If any subscribers are shown in the body of the "normal" response
message, it is because the list file in the List Server folder
contains subscribers, which for the internal database format can also
be ignored. You may view this as a reminder that it's fine for the
list file to be empty.
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:53:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Carter Bing <carter at drum.ncat dot edu>
Subject: automatic subscription addresses
Greetings,
Can someone tell me how you can set-up the server to use the automatic
subscription and deletion addressess?
Carter
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:30:07 +0100
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Inconsistent review
>For lists using the internal database format, the review command in
>remote administration by e-mail requires the use of a process
>extender to return the proper list of subscribers. That's because
>the internal database format offers a different structure and
>additional fields beyond the scope of the standard subscriber format.
Ah, yes! Sorry, my memory is getting very forgetting...
Is there a way to switch it back to the standard format so I can use
the admin review without the process extender? I decided not to use
the additional fields in the internal database format.
HOnza
--
If you are crazy enough, look at http://www.appleklub.cz/~koudelka/
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:06:51 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Inconsistent review
At 00:30 +0100 2/10/2000, HOnza Koudelka wrote:
>Is there a way to switch it back to the standard format so I can use
>the admin review without the process extender? I decided not to use
>the additional fields in the internal database format.
There is no built-in way to do it, but you can write a script to do
it. Just use the core of the process extender sample and send the
subscribers to a properly formatted text file.
The additional fields feature in the internal database format is a
pretty neat idea though, and I have for 4.1.2 extended the
subscriberSub delimiter in the GetSubscribers AppleScript command to
fetch _all_ fields if this delimiter is a given value, which means
that you can often get by without the GetSubscriberDB AppleScript
command.
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:06:07 +0000
From: Bill Bedford <billbpm at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Remote subscribing
I run a couple of closed list i.e. I subscribe everyone via a remote
subscribe e-mail
How do I get Autoshare to send the welcome message and the days
partial digest to the new subscriber?
--
Bill Bedford mailto:billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk
"Luck is my middle name," he said, indistinctly. "Mind you, my first
name is Bad."
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:39:30 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Remote subscribing
At 12:06 +0000 2/10/2000, Bill Bedford wrote:
>I run a couple of closed list i.e. I subscribe everyone via a remote
>subscribe e-mail
>
>How do I get Autoshare to send the welcome message and the days
>partial digest to the new subscriber?
You would want to look into the simple Send Message process extender
sample of type Remote, included in the AutoShare release archive. The
sample sends a welcome message to the new subscriber. You can spice
it up by also using the Send Digests AppleScript command, specifying
the list and the recipient's e-mail address.
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:22:07 +0200
Subject: Problems with vacation notice
From: Jari Lehto <jlehto at postimies.maccarry dot fi>
I have a very annoying problem vith vacation notices. They worked fine until
I upgraded our mailserver's software: AIMS 1.x to EIMS 2.2 and AutoShare 2.x
to 4.0. (I will update to 4.1.1 as soon as I am near the server)
I have something configured very wrong, but can't find it...
Btw, our mail accounts are configured so that there are two accounts for
each user, the primary one with a normal username, and a secondary one with
firstname.lastname as the user and forwarded to the primary. The save as
files is defined on the primary one.
Lists and autoreply still works as they should, but when vacation notice is
turned on for a user (btw, EIMS has both "save as files" and '"save as text
files", which one should I use?) it tells every sender that the user is
unknown and does it like this:
Reply sent by AutoShare (most nonessential lines removed):
______________________________
> To: Jari Lehto <jlehto at pp.htv dot fi>
> From: Raimo Haapakorpi <raimo.haapakorpi at maccarry dot fi>
> Errors-To: listserver at maccarry dot fi (ListServer)
> Precedence: bulk
> Subject: Testaan lomaviestitoimintoa 2
> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 01:41:26 +0200
> List-Software: AutoShare 4.0 by Mikael Hansen
>
> Sorry. The user of the recipient address is not valid.
> 550 <raimo.haapakorpi at maccarry dot fi>... User unknown
> Please contact listmaster at maccarry dot fi
>
> Return-Path: <jlehto at pp.htv dot fi>
> Received: from m2.pp.htv.fi (212.90.64.98) by maccarry.fi with ESMTP (Eudora
> Internet Mail Server 2.2); Sat, 19 Feb 2000 01:41:04 +0200
> Received: from m7.pp.htv.fi (m7.pp.htv.fi [212.90.64.22])
> by m2.pp.htv.fi (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00171
> for <raimo.haapakorpi at maccarry dot fi>; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 01:41:02 +0200 (EET)
> Received: from [212.90.83.193] (cs83193.pp.htv.fi [212.90.83.193])
> by m7.pp.htv.fi (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA18771
> for <raimo.haapakorpi at maccarry dot fi>; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 01:41:00 +0200 (EET)
> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 01:41:00 +0200
> Subject: Testaan lomaviestitoimintoa 2
> From: Jari Lehto <jlehto at pp.htv dot fi>
> To: Raimo Haapakorpi <raimo.haapakorpi at maccarry dot fi>
> Message-ID: <B4D3A4E7.939%jlehto at pp.htv dot fi>
______________________________
And as a listmaster, I get the following unresolved bounce report:
______________________________
> Text indicates: [listmaster at maccarry dot fi] (not subscribed)
> Code indicates: [Raimo.Haapakorpi at maccarry dot fi] (not subscribed)
> RFC From is: [raimo.haapakorpi at maccarry dot fi] (does not matter)
> RFC To is: [raimo.haapakorpi at maccarry dot fi] (not a list)
>
>> Return-Path: <listserver at maccarry dot fi>
>> To: Raimo Haapakorpi <raimo.haapakorpi at maccarry dot fi>
>> From: Raimo Haapakorpi <Raimo.Haapakorpi at maccarry dot fi>
>> Errors-To: listserver at maccarry dot fi (ListServer)
>> Precedence: bulk
>>
>> Sorry. The user of the recipient address is not valid.
>> 550 <Raimo.Haapakorpi at maccarry dot fi>... User unknown
>> Please contact listmaster at maccarry dot fi
______________________________
The user raimo.haapakorpi is perfectly valid in EIMS and works until
vacation notice is turned on for it (actually for it's primary account
rhaapako).
How do I fix this?
--
Jari Lehto jari.lehto at maccarry dot fi
Macintosh system support p. 041 5110 833
Mac&Carry Finland fax +358 (0)9 3484 5455
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:50:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Problems with vacation notice
At 20 Feb 2000 +0200 13:22:07, Jari Lehto wrote:
>I have a very annoying problem vith vacation notices. They worked fine
>until I upgraded our mailserver's software: AIMS 1.x to EIMS 2.2 and
>AutoShare 2.x to 4.0. (I will update to 4.1.1 as soon as I am near the
>server)
>
>I have something configured very wrong, but can't find it...
>Btw, our mail accounts are configured so that there are two accounts for
>each user, the primary one with a normal username, and a secondary one
>with firstname.lastname as the user and forwarded to the primary. The
>save as files is defined on the primary one.
>
>Lists and autoreply still works as they should, but when vacation notice
>is turned on for a user (btw, EIMS has both "save as files" and '"save as
>text files", which one should I use?) it tells every sender that the user
>is unknown and does it like this:
>> Sorry. The user of the recipient address is not valid.
>> 550 <raimo.haapakorpi at maccarry dot fi>... User unknown
>> Please contact listmaster at maccarry dot fi
>The user raimo.haapakorpi is perfectly valid in EIMS and works until
>vacation notice is turned on for it (actually for it's primary account
>rhaapako).
>
>How do I fix this?
Chances are that you have created a 'rhaapako' folder in the
AutoShare Documents folder, whereas the situation most likely calls
for that folder to be entitled 'raimo.haapakorpi', making this user
'known' to AutoShare.
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:22:15 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 4.2b1
I'm off to a week of heat in Mexico, so here's the 4.2 beta.
4.2b1 offers a few bug fixes and minor improvements. If you enjoy
AppleScript, some enhancements in this area have also been added.
AutoShare now compiles and executes AppleScript text and executes
compiled AppleScript. The scriptPath parameter in the RunScript
command uses this, and the Script command in remote administration by
e-mail does too. The latter is pretty powerful stuff, so the letter B
in Misc Stuff is now required for remote mails of that sort. Process
extenders may be compiled script files, which is different from
script applications in some respects.
Enjoy!
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:16:11 -0500
From: Bruce O'Leary <auto.share at bruceoleary dot com>
Subject: Third Time's the Charm?
[I posted this twice before, but did not receive an acknowledgement or copy
of the message, so I'm trying again...sorry for inconveniencing anyone.]
Hi, All. I'm a very new user of AutoShare, but have used EIMS a bit over
the years. I have just set up AutoShare and believe I have everything
configured correctly. I have five "users" subscribed to a list with
different addresses, although they all come to me eventually. I sent a
test post to the mailing list under each of the addresses, with the same
result every time:
1) only the "sender" received a copy of the message, and
2) the .m file was created, with only the other four addresses entered
(not the sender's)
Can anyone tell me what's going on? What have I missed in the setup?
What should I be looking for? Thanks in advance for any and all help.
--
Bruce O'Leary
Do you know about UCITA? Do what you can to stop UCITA from passage in
your state:
http://archive.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?/features/990531ucita_home.htm
"Kill it before it grows."
Subject: Re: Third Time's the Charm?
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:25:57 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Maybe you didn't get any responses because people had difficulty figuring
out enough about your problem to help. Maybe some more details about the
type of list, the accounts you created and the settings for each, and the
list settings would help get you some answers.
On 2/28/00 11:16 AM, Bruce O'Leary said:
>I sent a
>test post to the mailing list under each of the addresses
What does this mean? Do you mean you sent a message to the list from each
subscriber's address? If this is what you mean, is it possible that the
list preferences are set to ACK and NOMAIL? If not, give the details
noted above, and any others you can think of.
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:34:59 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: Third Time's the Charm?
At 11:16 AM -0500 2/28/00, Bruce O'Leary wrote:
> 1) only the "sender" received a copy of the message, and
> 2) the .m file was created, with only the other four addresses entered
> (not the sender's)
Does the <list> file contain all addresses? That is, are they are subscribed?
What kind of list is it?
What default options did you set?
Try sending a QUERY command for each list from each address, to see
what options are set for each user.
--
--
Randall Gellens Randy at Pensive dot Org
---------------------- (randomly-selected tag) ---------------------
There is hardly anything in the world that some one cannot make a
little worse, and sell a little cheaper. --John Ruskin (1819-1900)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:22:01 -0600
From: Steve Jones <sjones at info.comm.uic dot edu>
Subject: Post and auto-respond
I've seen several messages (esp. back in December) dealing with
auto-responding, but none proved quite useful in the way I was
hoping. Here's what I'm trying to do, any and all help appreciated:
1. Set up an e-mail address in EIMS to which people in an
organization "submit" an article in an e-mail message.
2. That address is set to forward to an Autoshare list entirely
separate otherwise from the above address and "explode" the article
to the subscribers.
3. I'd like to have some kind of auto-response to the original sender
to let that person know the article was received.
If you haven't guessed by now, #3 above is where I'm stuck.
Thanks in advance,
Sj
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 07:51:26 -0800
From: Tod Fitch <tod at LTFdesign dot com>
Subject: Re: Post and auto-respond
At 06:22 AM 3/2/2000 , Steve Jones wrote:
>I've seen several messages (esp. back in December) dealing with
>auto-responding, but none proved quite useful in the way I was hoping.
>Here's what I'm trying to do, any and all help appreciated:
>
>1. Set up an e-mail address in EIMS to which people in an organization
>"submit" an article in an e-mail message.
>
>2. That address is set to forward to an Autoshare list entirely separate
>otherwise from the above address and "explode" the article to the subscribers.
>
>3. I'd like to have some kind of auto-response to the original sender to
>let that person know the article was received.
>
>If you haven't guessed by now, #3 above is where I'm stuck.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Sj
I don't know about EIMS, but SIMS has a "auto reply" option of its own on
each mail account. I suspect you could have the mail deposited in the
AutoShare account per usual but also have an auto reply generated directly
from the mail server.
Regards,
Tod Fitch
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:22:28 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Post and auto-respond
At 8:22 AM -0600 on 3/2/00, Steve Jones wrote:
> I've seen several messages (esp. back in December) dealing with
> auto-responding, but none proved quite useful in the way I was
> hoping. Here's what I'm trying to do, any and all help appreciated:
>
> 1. Set up an e-mail address in EIMS to which people in an
> organization "submit" an article in an e-mail message.
>
> 2. That address is set to forward to an Autoshare list entirely
> separate otherwise from the above address and "explode" the article
> to the subscribers.
>
> 3. I'd like to have some kind of auto-response to the original sender
> to let that person know the article was received.
>
> If you haven't guessed by now, #3 above is where I'm stuck.
>
>
If the user is set for Ack, then they should receive the article as well as
everyone else; hence, they'd know it got posted.
Bill
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:35:49 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 4.2b1
At 9:22 PM -0800 on 2/27/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> I'm off to a week of heat in Mexico, so here's the 4.2 beta.
>
> 4.2b1 offers a few bug fixes and minor improvements. If you enjoy
> AppleScript, some enhancements in this area have also been added.
>
> AutoShare now compiles and executes AppleScript text and executes
> compiled AppleScript. The scriptPath parameter in the RunScript
> command uses this, and the Script command in remote administration by
> e-mail does too. The latter is pretty powerful stuff, so the letter B
> in Misc Stuff is now required for remote mails of that sort. Process
> extenders may be compiled script files, which is different from
> script applications in some respects.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>
Also at http://pascal-central.com/autoshare/beta/.
Bill
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:29:41 -0500
From: Bruce O'Leary <auto.share at bruceoleary dot com>
Subject: Re: Third Time's the Charm?
"Charles L. Martin" wrote:
>
> Maybe you didn't get any responses because people had difficulty figuring
> out enough about your problem to help. Maybe some more details about the
> type of list, the accounts you created and the settings for each, and the
> list settings would help get you some answers.
>
> On 2/28/00 11:16 AM, Bruce O'Leary said:
>
> >I sent a
> >test post to the mailing list under each of the addresses
>
> What does this mean? Do you mean you sent a message to the list from each
> subscriber's address? If this is what you mean, is it possible that the
> list preferences are set to ACK and NOMAIL? If not, give the details
> noted above, and any others you can think of.
Randall Gellens wrote:
>
> At 11:16 AM -0500 2/28/00, Bruce O'Leary wrote:
>
> > 1) only the "sender" received a copy of the message, and
> > 2) the .m file was created, with only the other four addresses entered
> > (not the sender's)
>
> Does the <list> file contain all addresses? That is, are they are subscribed?
>
> What kind of list is it?
>
> What default options did you set?
>
> Try sending a QUERY command for each list from each address, to see
> what options are set for each user.
To answer both gentleman, Randall first:
I'm not sure how to answer "what kind of list"...there's more than one
type? (Yes, I'm a newbie and don't find the docs particularly clear.)
Default options? Again, showing my ignorance. I pretty much just did a
default install, and using the admin pointed to the directories as
needed. Yes, all five "people" are subscribed with correct e-mail
addresses in the list file. It is a plain old simpletext file. At your
suggestion, I sent a query to the list under each "person's" e-mail
address. 2 of the subscriptions are CONCEAL, NODIGEST, MAIL, NOACK,
NOPOST. The other three are NOCONCEAL, NODIGEST, MAIL, NOACK, POST. When
I try sending a message from those three subscriber addresses who *are*
allowed to post, the mail message is simply echoed back to that *single*
address. The other four addresses have no mail sent to them (I'm
watching EIMS through the admin app.)
Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. If you ask very specific
questions, and give me hints on how to find the answer, I think I might
get this straightened out. Otherwise I have the unenviable task of
telling the client "You're going to have to spend big bucks."
--
Bruce O'Leary
Do you know about UCITA? Do what you can to stop UCITA from passage in
your state:
http://archive.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?/features/990531ucita_home.htm
"Kill it before it grows."
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:58:18 -0600
From: Steve Jones <sjones at info.comm.uic dot edu>
Subject: Re: Post and auto-respond
>I don't know about EIMS, but SIMS has a "auto reply" option of its own on
>each mail account. I suspect you could have the mail deposited in the
>AutoShare account per usual but also have an auto reply generated directly
>from the mail server.
>
>Regards,
>Tod Fitch
Good idea -- I don't know that EIMS has this but I'll double-check. Thanks.
>If the user is set for Ack, then they should receive the article as well as
>everyone else; hence, they'd know it got posted.
The thing is, though, that I don't want the person to have to be a
subscriber. It's for people to send proposals to a review committee,
anyone should be able to submit a proposal in this fashion, which is
why the initial address it's sent to isn't a list address, but
instead a "phantom" e-mail account that in turn is "subscribed" to a
list on which the reviewers are also subscribed.
Thank you,
Sj
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:32:45 -0600
From: Jeffrey Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Subject: Re: Post and auto-respond
I was about to suggest using the "forward to:" option in EIMS, but that
wouldn't alter the "from:" header in the e-mail. Although I think there is an
option to have a list accept posts from addresses not on the list.
Here's what I have:
lists set up as 'private'
only one 'phantom' address allowed to post
a web page with a mailto form using a email cgi
The web page has form elements allowing a user to enter information similar to
a send mail application. They choose which 'list' their information is posted
to [in my case it is customers asking Chamber of Commerce members for bid
proposals in different categories]. Enter the e-mail body into a text edit area
and click submit. The email.cgi returns a page acknowleging their post, the web
page mails the post with an address allowed to post, Autoshare handles the
e-mail distribution. I altered the code of the cgi to make sure the application
was run from my server to discourage 'hijacking'.
This sounds closest to what you were asking for. The email.cgi was freeware and
uses mondo mail.
Regards;
Jeff
Steve Jones wrote:
> >I don't know about EIMS, but SIMS has a "auto reply" option of its own on
> >each mail account. I suspect you could have the mail deposited in the
> >AutoShare account per usual but also have an auto reply generated directly
> >from the mail server.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Tod Fitch
>
> Good idea -- I don't know that EIMS has this but I'll double-check. Thanks.
>
> >If the user is set for Ack, then they should receive the article as well as
> >everyone else; hence, they'd know it got posted.
>
> The thing is, though, that I don't want the person to have to be a
> subscriber. It's for people to send proposals to a review committee,
> anyone should be able to submit a proposal in this fashion, which is
> why the initial address it's sent to isn't a list address, but
> instead a "phantom" e-mail account that in turn is "subscribed" to a
> list on which the reviewers are also subscribed.
>
> Thank you,
> Sj
Date: 03 Mar 00 08:47:50 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Third Time's the Charm?
Reply to: Re: Third Time's the Charm?
Bruce,
I don't know how much time you have to solve this problem, but I urge you =
not to tell the client to spend big bucks. What you want to do is doable =
with Autoshare and it will work without problem once you have things set =
correctly. I haven't any idea exactly what your problem might be, but I'd =
suggest you try these things:
1) Did you set all of the paths for the various folders using the =
administrator? Doing so automatically adds the closing colon when needed. =
And, while you are there check the type of list (set it to "Open" for =
your testing. Also remember that there is extensive balloon help =
available in the administrator. Turn on the balloon help and it will =
answer many of your questions about what the various buttons do.
2) Did you set up in EIMS (or whatever mail server you are using the three =
accounts (xxx, xxx.m and xxx.d where xxx is the name of your list.) =
Remember that when you specify these accounts (at least in EIMS) the "Save =
files as" setting for the "xxx" account must contain the full path to the =
folder and must NOT end with a colon. In a similar way the "xxx.m" and "=
xxx.d" accounts must be set up as "Mailing list" and the path should =
specify the full path to the matching named text files (usually stored in =
the "LS" folder inside the "Auto" folder.
3) Once you have verified these settings go to the LS folder, throw away =
the "xxx.m" and "xxx.d" files and check to see that the "xxx" file =
containes the expected 5 names. Then send a piece of mail to the list. =
Watch the "Filed Mail" folder. You should see you message appear there (=
delivered by the mail server) and then disappear (handled by Autoshare). =
If you do not see this happen your settings of 1 or 2 above must still be =
incorrect. If that does happen check to see if the xxx.m file has been =
recreated inside your LS folder. The way you have described your =
situation, "xxx.m" should contain the five names. =
4) If you can simultaneously watch the mail server you should be able to =
see the message sent by the original sender. Autoshare should announce =
that the message was handled. Then you should see the messages returned =
to the mail server and handled there.
I think if you double check 1 and 2 (somehow it seems very easy to make =
errors in that area...look carefully). and then watch things as described =
in 3 & 4 you will be able to see exactly where thangs go astray and that =
will lead you to the solution. If it does not tell this list what =
happened and I'd bet that someone here will have your answer.
Good luck,
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======
>I'm not sure how to answer "what kind of list"...there's more than one
>type? (Yes, I'm a newbie and don't find the docs particularly clear.)
>Default options? Again, showing my ignorance. I pretty much just did a
>default install, and using the admin pointed to the directories as
>needed. Yes, all five "people" are subscribed with correct e-mail
>addresses in the list file. It is a plain old simpletext file. At your
>suggestion, I sent a query to the list under each "person's" e-mail
>address. 2 of the subscriptions are CONCEAL, NODIGEST, MAIL, NOACK,
>NOPOST. The other three are NOCONCEAL, NODIGEST, MAIL, NOACK, POST. When
>I try sending a message from those three subscriber addresses who *are*
>allowed to post, the mail message is simply echoed back to that *single*
>address. The other four addresses have no mail sent to them (I'm
>watching EIMS through the admin app.)
>
>Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. If you ask very specific
>questions, and give me hints on how to find the answer, I think I might
>get this straightened out. Otherwise I have the unenviable task of
>telling the client "You're going to have to spend big bucks."
>-- =
>Bruce O'Leary
>
>
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:40:40 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Post and auto-respond
At 07:58 -0600 3/3/2000, Steve Jones wrote:
>The thing is, though, that I don't want the person to have to be a
>subscriber. It's for people to send proposals to a review committee,
>anyone should be able to submit a proposal in this fashion, which is
>why the initial address it's sent to isn't a list address, but
>instead a "phantom" e-mail account that in turn is "subscribed" to a
>list on which the reviewers are also subscribed.
You can change the list type to be 'open', so anyone can post.
At 08:22 -0600 3/2/2000, Steve Jones wrote:
>3. I'd like to have some kind of auto-response to the original
>sender to let that person know the article was received.
A simple process extender can create such an auto-response. This may
become a built-in feature in the future.
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:50:10 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Third Time's the Charm?
At 11:16 -0500 2/28/2000, Bruce O'Leary wrote:
>1) only the "sender" received a copy of the message, and
>2) the .m file was created, with only the other four addresses entered
>(not the sender's)
>
>Can anyone tell me what's going on? What have I missed in the setup?
>What should I be looking for? Thanks in advance for any and all help.
Verifying your setup step by step using the quick tutorial may be the fastest.
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/#quicktutorial>
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:58:10 -0500
From: Keith 'Tak' Takayesu <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Subject: MIME Digests from Autoshare?
Has anybody tried the MIME Digest feature in Eurdora 4.3.1 with list
digests sent by the AutoShare maillist software? Eudora doesn't decode
them into separate files properly.
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:01:15 -0500
From: Keith 'Tak' Takayesu <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Subject: Autoshare Digests and HTML
Hi Mikael. I'm experimenting with the use of AutoShare and SIMS. It
seems like a great tool!
However, I am having a problem with the Digests when using
HTML-formatted e-mail messages. We want to send out HTML-formatted
pages to an announcement list, and copy the pages to the web site.
However, the Digests put in a <PRE> and </PRE> tag around the
message, and escapes all the HTML, so we see all of the HTML tags.
(http://cpu2161.adsl.bellglobal.com/Fun-L/)
Is there a way of configuring things so this doesn't happen?
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:45:28 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: MIME Digests from Autoshare?
At 23:58 -0500 3/7/2000, Keith 'Tak' Takayesu wrote:
>Has anybody tried the MIME Digest feature in Eurdora 4.3.1 with list
>digests sent by the AutoShare maillist software? Eudora doesn't decode
>them into separate files properly.
Yes, it generally works fine.
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:46:00 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
At 00:01 -0500 3/8/2000, Keith 'Tak' Takayesu wrote:
>Hi Mikael. I'm experimenting with the use of AutoShare and SIMS. It
>seems like a great tool!
Thanks!
>However, I am having a problem with the Digests when using
>HTML-formatted e-mail messages. We want to send out HTML-formatted
>pages to an announcement list, and copy the pages to the web site.
List servers generally don't like HTML-formatted e-mails all that
much. I would recommend e-mail links to a web page of automated web
archives.
>However, the Digests put in a <PRE> and </PRE> tag around the
>message, and escapes all the HTML, so we see all of the HTML tags.
>(http://cpu2161.adsl.bellglobal.com/Fun-L/)
The <PRE> and </PRE> don't escape HTML formatting when I drag an
automated web archive file onto my Netscape application icon.
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:20:38 -0500
From: "Keith 'Tak' Takayesu" <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
>At 00:01 -0500 3/8/2000, Keith 'Tak' Takayesu wrote:
>
>>Hi Mikael. I'm experimenting with the use of AutoShare and SIMS. It
>>seems like a great tool!
>
>Thanks!
>
>>However, I am having a problem with the Digests when using
>>HTML-formatted e-mail messages. We want to send out HTML-formatted
>>pages to an announcement list, and copy the pages to the web site.
>
>List servers generally don't like HTML-formatted e-mails all that
>much. I would recommend e-mail links to a web page of automated web
>archives.
Mmm. Kind of defeats the purpose of our maillist. We want to send out
HTML formatted e-mails, and have the maillist save them in an
archive. Maybe I'll just write a script to take the Archive files and
put them in HTML files, with formatting preserved.
>>However, the Digests put in a <PRE> and </PRE> tag around the
>>message, and escapes all the HTML, so we see all of the HTML tags.
>>(http://cpu2161.adsl.bellglobal.com/Fun-L/)
>
>The <PRE> and </PRE> don't escape HTML formatting when I drag an
>automated web archive file onto my Netscape application icon.
You are right, but that's not what I meant. I meant that the process
that is taking the Digests (still with HTML tags), and places them
into the Web directory escapes the HTML code, and also adds the PRE
tags. The files in the Archive directory still have the original HTML
codes.
Subject: Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:20:07 -0500
From: "Charles L. Martin" <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Maybe what you need us just send the html to the list, then read it from
the web archives, which do show html.
On 3/8/00 6:20 PM, Keith 'Tak' Takayesu said:
>>List servers generally don't like HTML-formatted e-mails all that
>>much. I would recommend e-mail links to a web page of automated web
>>archives.
>
>Mmm. Kind of defeats the purpose of our maillist. We want to send out
>HTML formatted e-mails, and have the maillist save them in an
>archive. Maybe I'll just write a script to take the Archive files and
>put them in HTML files, with formatting preserved.
Charles L. Martin
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King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be
Judge.²
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:27:24 -0500
From: Keith 'Tak' Takayesu <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
Umm. Good idea. I will send a short HTML message to the list
(everyone can ignore the next message)...
>Maybe what you need us just send the html to the list, then read it from
>the web archives, which do show html.
>
>On 3/8/00 6:20 PM, Keith 'Tak' Takayesu said:
>
>>>List servers generally don't like HTML-formatted e-mails all that
>>>much. I would recommend e-mail links to a web page of automated web
>>>archives.
>>
>>Mmm. Kind of defeats the purpose of our maillist. We want to send out
>>HTML formatted e-mails, and have the maillist save them in an
>>archive. Maybe I'll just write a script to take the Archive files and
>>put them in HTML files, with formatting preserved.
>
>
>Charles L. Martin
>clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
>http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
>
>Alice: "The King seems so prejudiced."
>King: "Thank you Alice. That's what makes me so eminently qualified to be
>Judge."
>Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:31:04 -0500
From: Keith 'Tak' Takayesu <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Subject: Sample HTML Message, was Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<html><head><style type="text/css"><!--
blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { margin-top: 0 ; margin-bottom: 0 }
--></style><title>Sample HTML Message, was Re: Autoshare Digests and
HTM</title></head><body>
<div><b>Thanks for the idea, Charles.</b></div>
<div align="center"><font size="+1" color="#FF0000"><i>Centered,
italic, colored text.</i></font></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><a href="http://cpu2161.adsl.bellglobal.com/Fun-L/">Here is an
anchor link....</a></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>That should be enough to test it!</div>
</body>
</html>
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:10:03 -0500
From: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Subject: Newbie question...
Trying to set up autoshare according to the docs. The autoreply works
great, now on to the Fun-L list. My first attempt to subscribe to the
list gets bounced.
Here's what comes back....
To: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
From: autoshare at ps00.west21 dot com
Subject: sub fun-l Joseph D'Andrea
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:57:23 -0500
Invalid list server command: sub
Welcome to the list server!
Available AutoShare list server commands in the body are:
SUB <list> <name> subscription to a list
Seems like "sub" is both a command and not a command...
What simple thing did I miss?
Thanks,
___Joe___
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:30:10 -0500
From: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Subject: Can AutoShare do this?
I need a listserver that I can change the subscriber list our from
under. Let me explain. The address list will be maintained in a
database and will be quite dynamic depending on lots of variables
that the database application will fiure out.
Suffice it to say that the admin will at some point decide to send an
announcement and will instruct the database to send a message to such
and such a group of people.
What I want to be able to do is have an already established
announcement list in AutoShare and have the db software overwrite the
subscriber list for this particlar mailing list. Then it will send
the message as an e-mail to the listserver address for the list and
VIOLA! AutoShare sends the message to the subscribers.
Then we do it again some time in the future, only beacause of the
dynamic nature of the application, we have a different set of
subscribers.
Can this be done by simply swapping the subscriber list by
overwriting the file? and if so, can we do it while AutoShare is
still running or will we need to quit autoshare, swap the list, and
relaunch?
Thanks,
___Joe___
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:33:49 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
Okay, I see. If the content-type of the list contribution is
text/html, I'll just have AutoShare not HTMLize it for the archives.
That should do it.
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:46:44 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Newbie question...
At 23:10 -0500 3/9/2000, Joseph D'Andrea wrote:
>Trying to set up autoshare according to the docs. The autoreply
>works great, now on to the Fun-L list. My first attempt to subscribe
>to the list gets bounced.
>
>Here's what comes back....
>
>To: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
>From: autoshare at ps00.west21 dot com
>Subject: sub fun-l Joseph D'Andrea
>Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:57:23 -0500
>
>Invalid list server command: sub
That is most likely because there is no Sub document in the autoshare
folder inside the documents folder.
>Welcome to the list server!
>
>Available AutoShare list server commands in the body are:
>
> SUB <list> <name> subscription to a list
That is just the static text from most likely the Default document in
the autoshare folder inside the documents folder.
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:17:54 -0600
From: Michael Croft <michael at whiterose dot org>
Subject: Re: Can AutoShare do this?
At 11:30 PM -0500 3/9/00, Joseph D'Andrea (you) said:
>I need a listserver that I can change the subscriber list our from under.
>Let me explain. The address list will be maintained in a database and will
>be quite dynamic depending on lots of variables that the database
>application will fiure out.
>
>Suffice it to say that the admin will at some point decide to send an
>announcement and will instruct the database to send a message to such and
>such a group of people.
>
>What I want to be able to do is have an already established announcement
>list in AutoShare and have the db software overwrite the subscriber list
>for this particlar mailing list. Then it will send the message as an
>e-mail to the listserver address for the list and VIOLA! AutoShare sends
>the message to the subscribers.
>
>Then we do it again some time in the future, only beacause of the dynamic
>nature of the application, we have a different set of subscribers.
>
>Can this be done by simply swapping the subscriber list by overwriting the
>file? and if so, can we do it while AutoShare is still running or will we
>need to quit autoshare, swap the list, and relaunch?
I'm not sure if Autoshare is necessary for this.
In SIMS, you can write to the listname@L file, which is a <CR> delimited
text file with no resource fork. Then you can send your message to
listname at domain dot dom, then you can change the list file back to the idle
state (probably set to send just to the admin). I think EIMS is pretty
similar.
Good luck,
Michael Croft
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:43:15 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Can AutoShare do this?
At 23:30 -0500 3/9/2000, Joseph D'Andrea wrote:
>Can this be done by simply swapping the subscriber list by
>overwriting the file? and if so, can we do it while AutoShare is
>still running
I haven't thought of it (and I'm 90% asleep now), but I would say yes
and yes. The subscriber list files are simple text files, and there
are no dependencies, not even to the file's own resource fork.
Rather than overwriting the list file, I would suggest that you move
one list file out of the list server folder and then move in another
list file. It is probably also good advice to turn off processing
during that brief time.