The AutoShare-Talk list archive ending on 1 Apr 2000
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. Re: Can AutoShare do this?
Andrew Wimmer <waw at sofie dot org>
Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:55:24 -0600
2. RE: Newbie question...
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
10 Mar 00 09:27:54 -0600
3. RE: Can AutoShare do this?
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
10 Mar 00 09:34:04 -0600
4. Re: Can AutoShare do this?
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
10 Mar 00 09:37:34 -0600
5. Re: MIME Digests from Autoshare?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:59:11 -0800
6. AutoShare and SIMS....
Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:35:47 -0500
7. Re: AutoShare and SIMS....
Tod Fitch <tod at LTFdesign dot com>
Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:41:24 -0800
8. Re: Can AutoShare do this?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:41:08 -0800
9. Process extender AppleScript dictionary
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:44:44 -0800
10. Re: Can AutoShare do this?
Andrew Wimmer <waw at sofie dot org>
Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:32:29 -0600
11. Re: Can AutoShare do this?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:03:47 -0800
12. AutoShare and FMP
"Andrew R. Schmiechen" <aschmiechen at discovercolor dot com>
Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:21:52 -0600
13. AutoShare/EIMS and WebSTAR
Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:59:17 +0100
14. Re: AutoShare/EIMS and WebSTAR
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:37:44 -0800
15. Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
Keith 'Tak' Takayesu <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:10:14 -0500
16. Re: AutoShare and FMP
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:22:25 -0800
17. Help! I've killed it!
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:18:17 -0500
18. Autoshare as Announcement Board?
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:18:21 -0500
19. Re: Newbie question...
Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:40:19 -0800
20. Re: Autoshare as Announcement Board?
"Keith 'Tak' Takayesu" <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:22:56 -0500
21. Re: Help! I've killed it!
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:36:29 -0800
22. Re: Autoshare as Announcement Board?
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:44:27 -0500
23. Re: Help! I've killed it!
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:12:02 -0500
24. Re: Help! I've killed it!
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:05:26 -0800
25. Re: Help! I've killed it!
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:06:08 -0500
26. Re: Help! I've killed it!
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:01:30 -0800
27. Re: Help! I've killed it!
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:35:55 -0500
28. Re: Help! I've killed it!
James Berriman <james at acoustic.demon.co dot uk>
Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:00:25 +0000
29. Filters don't work?
HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:02:20 +0100
30. Importing a list of users
Jochen Haeberle <listen at MIDRAS dot de>
Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:35:28 +0100
31. Re: Importing a list of users
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:17:21 -0800
32. Re: Filters don't work?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:39:14 -0800
33. Re: Filters don't work?
HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:45:25 +0200
34. Re: Filters don't work?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:32:18 -0800
35. AutoShare 4.2b2
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:36:11 -0800
36. Re: Importing a list of users
Jochen Haeberle <listen at MIDRAS dot de>
Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:37:39 +0200
37. Re: Filters don't work?
HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:48:56 +0200
38. Re: Importing a list of users
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:46:23 -0800
39. Re: Filters don't work?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:52:40 -0800
40. Help ! listmaster unable to post
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:04:40 +0200
41. Re: Help ! listmaster unable to post
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:19:22 -0800
42. Re: Help ! listmaster unable to post
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:47:34 +0200
43. Re: Help ! listmaster unable to post
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:23:31 -0800
44. Re: Help ! listmaster unable to post
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:45:25 +0200
45. A small character conversion bug ?
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:04:39 +0200
46. AutoShare 4.2b3
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:12:21 -0800
47. Re: Help ! listmaster unable to post
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:17:59 -0800
48. Re: Help ! listmaster unable to post
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
31 Mar 00 15:13:52 -0600
49. AutoShare reports
HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:44:49 +0200
50. Monthly Help files once again
Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:38:20 +0200
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:55:24 -0600
From: Andrew Wimmer <waw at sofie dot org>
Subject: Re: Can AutoShare do this?
>I haven't thought of it (and I'm 90% asleep now), but I would say yes
>and yes. The subscriber list files are simple text files, and there
>are no dependencies, not even to the file's own resource fork.
That's interesting--and what I thought, but...
I have been using FMPro to simply overwrite the subscriber file on a
couple of my lists. Mail is delivered properly to the new list, but
AutoShare does not deal with subscriber rights until I restart
AutoShare. So, on a list that is set to accept mail from only 12
people, AutoShare begins to reject their mail after the file is
overwritten but then works properly after I restart AutoShare. I
don't understand why, but I'm sure that this is happening. So I have
FMPro generate a text file and a script restart AutoShare. What do
you think?
Yours, Andrew Wimmer
Date: 10 Mar 00 09:27:54 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: Newbie question...
Reply to: RE: Newbie question...
This would appear to be a case where you put the command in the subject =
and the program was looking for it in the message body or vice-versa. =
Check your settings of where the program looks for the commands.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======
Joseph D'Andrea wrote:
>Trying to set up autoshare according to the docs. The autoreply works =
>great, now on to the Fun-L list. My first attempt to subscribe to the =
>list gets bounced.
>
>Here's what comes back....
>
>To: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
>From: autoshare at ps00.west21 dot com
>Subject: sub fun-l Joseph D'Andrea
>Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:57:23 -0500
>
>Invalid list server command: sub
>
>Welcome to the list server!
>
>Available AutoShare list server commands in the body are:
>
> SUB <list> <name> subscription to a list
>
>
>Seems like "sub" is both a command and not a command...
>
>What simple thing did I miss?
>
>Thanks,
>___Joe___
>_________________________________________________
>Joseph D'Andrea JoeDan at West21 dot com
>WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century
> http://www.west21.com/
>_________________________________________________
>
>
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Date: 10 Mar 00 09:34:04 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: Can AutoShare do this?
Reply to: RE: Can AutoShare do this?
When you create a listserv in Autoshare there are three files associated =
with it. If the listserv is named "demo" the three files will be "demo," =
demo.m," and "demo.d." When Autoshare receives a message to process for =
the "demo" listserv it will use the information in the "demo" file to =
create "demo.m" (which is of course the mail file). When autoshare is to =
send out digests (which probably are not needed in the situation you =
describe) Autoshare will use the information in "demo" to create "demo.d" (=
i.e. the digest file). The rest of the time Autoshare doesn't look at =
any of those files.
Those three files are text files. If you can duplicate the basic format =
of the file from you database and get it to write the "demo" file in the =
appropriate location on the Appleshare machine everything should work just =
as you wish.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======
Joseph D'Andrea wrote:
>I need a listserver that I can change the subscriber list our from =
>under. Let me explain. The address list will be maintained in a =
>database and will be quite dynamic depending on lots of variables =
>that the database application will fiure out.
>
>Suffice it to say that the admin will at some point decide to send an =
>announcement and will instruct the database to send a message to such =
>and such a group of people.
>
>What I want to be able to do is have an already established =
>announcement list in AutoShare and have the db software overwrite the =
>subscriber list for this particlar mailing list. Then it will send =
>the message as an e-mail to the listserver address for the list and =
>VIOLA! AutoShare sends the message to the subscribers.
>
>Then we do it again some time in the future, only beacause of the =
>dynamic nature of the application, we have a different set of =
>subscribers.
>
>Can this be done by simply swapping the subscriber list by =
>overwriting the file? and if so, can we do it while AutoShare is =
>still running or will we need to quit autoshare, swap the list, and =
>relaunch?
>
>Thanks,
>___Joe___
>
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Date: 10 Mar 00 09:37:34 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Can AutoShare do this?
Reply to: Re: Can AutoShare do this?
But the original question dealt with a list that was to be used for =
announcements. So, it should work correctly for that situation. =
I think the user rights issue might be related to how you set up the file. =
You'll get the default rights unless you append the appropriate letter =
and number codes to the various addresses. ("I think" he says, somewhat =
uncomfortably....)
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======
Andrew Wimmer wrote:
>>I haven't thought of it (and I'm 90% asleep now), but I would say yes
>>and yes. The subscriber list files are simple text files, and there
>>are no dependencies, not even to the file's own resource fork.
>
>That's interesting--and what I thought, but...
>I have been using FMPro to simply overwrite the subscriber file on a =
>couple of my lists. Mail is delivered properly to the new list, but =
>AutoShare does not deal with subscriber rights until I restart =
>AutoShare. So, on a list that is set to accept mail from only 12 =
>people, AutoShare begins to reject their mail after the file is =
>overwritten but then works properly after I restart AutoShare. I =
>don't understand why, but I'm sure that this is happening. So I have =
>FMPro generate a text file and a script restart AutoShare. What do =
>you think?
>
>Yours, Andrew Wimmer
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:59:11 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: MIME Digests from Autoshare?
At 23:58 -0500 3/7/2000, Keith 'Tak' Takayesu wrote:
>Has anybody tried the MIME Digest feature in Eurdora 4.3.1 with list
>digests sent by the AutoShare maillist software?
The documentation at
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/#mimedigests>
says that "The list-specific MIME digest as attachment feature is
enabled by adding the letter L to the List Stuff field (see the Admin
or AppleScript).", but I don't think that Randy has the feature
enabled on his server (hint, hint). In Eudora, you also need it
enabled it in Settings, Attachments.
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:35:47 -0500
From: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Subject: AutoShare and SIMS....
We developing an application that will require an announcement list
that may be 16,000 subscribers in size.... We've done a mailing lke
this before by having WebCatalog dump a bunch of mail into the SIMS
submitted folder for output. However... we've had bad experiences
when dumping more then about 300 outgoing mail messages in the SIMS
folder. Since this is basically the way that AutoShare would be
delivering mailing list traffic, does anyone have any ideas about how
much trouble, if any, we'll expreience when using AutoShare with SIMS?
Thanks,
___Joe___
_________________________________________________
Joseph D'Andrea JoeDan at West21 dot com
WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century
http://www.west21.com/
_________________________________________________
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:41:24 -0800
From: Tod Fitch <tod at LTFdesign dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare and SIMS....
At 02:35 PM 3/10/2000 , Joseph D'Andrea wrote:
>We developing an application that will require an announcement list that
>may be 16,000 subscribers in size.... We've done a mailing lke this before
>by having WebCatalog dump a bunch of mail into the SIMS submitted folder
>for output. However... we've had bad experiences when dumping more then
>about 300 outgoing mail messages in the SIMS folder. Since this is
>basically the way that AutoShare would be delivering mailing list traffic,
>does anyone have any ideas about how much trouble, if any, we'll
>expreience when using AutoShare with SIMS?
>
>Thanks,
>___Joe___
It is my observation that AutoShare creates a distribution list for the
outbound mail account then puts _one_ copy of the outbound mail into the
submitted folder. SIMS then sends that one copy to the various destinations
given in the list. Thus there should not be a problem with putting hundreds
or thousands of copies of mail into the submitted folder. (Unless you are
doing thousands of different announcements at one time ;)
Since my list needs are very modest, I can't tell you what SIMS might do
with a distribution list containing that many addresses. It certainly does
an intelligent and quick job on the very small lists I maintain. For
example it only opens one connection for all of the accounts at a
destination host.
Tod Fitch
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:41:08 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Can AutoShare do this?
At 09:37 -0600 3/10/2000, Chuck Boody wrote:
>You'll get the default rights unless you append the appropriate
>letter and number codes to the various addresses.
That is exactly correct. It is fairly easy to write an AppleScript
that will export address, name and user rights from an FMP file to a
properly formatted list file, but the individual user rights must be
stored in the FMP file to begin with.
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:44:44 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Process extender AppleScript dictionary
I have written an OSAX in C entitled Mikael's Commands, whose initial
purpose in life is to provide you with an AppleScript dictionary of
codes used in process extenders, in other words making your life
easier.
Mikael's Commands 1.0b1 can be downloaded from
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>
The OSAX should be put in your Scripting Additions folder.
What used to be
on «event AuSTaUST» (aList)
end «event AuSTaUST»
is now
on PE Startup (aList)
end PE Startup
When you paste the following into a new window in the Script Editor
and save the compiled script in your Process Extenders folder, you
have a live process extender right then and there.
on PE Startup (aList)
tell application "AutoShare"
ignoring application responses
Write Log logString ("AutoShare starting up!!")
end ignoring
end tell
end PE Startup
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:32:29 -0600
From: Andrew Wimmer <waw at sofie dot org>
Subject: Re: Can AutoShare do this?
> >You'll get the default rights unless you append the appropriate
>>letter and number codes to the various addresses.
>
>That is exactly correct. It is fairly easy to write an AppleScript
>that will export address, name and user rights from an FMP file to a
>properly formatted list file, but the individual user rights must be
>stored in the FMP file to begin with.
Yes, of course. And that's why I'm using FMPro to begin with. An
administrator is able to use the organization's existing FMPro
database to add members of the organization to a variety of lists and
give them the appropriate rights. FMPro then generates a new file in
AutoShare format and places it in the appropriate folder.
My point is that, contrary to what I would have expected, the rights
are not properly handled by AutoShare until I restart AutoShare. It
took me a long time of listening to complaints before I figured out
what was happening--and I'm still at a loss to understand it.
FMPro replaces the file--posting rights stop working.
AutoShare is restarted--posting rights work properly.
Yours,
Andrew Wimmer
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:03:47 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Can AutoShare do this?
At 06:55 -0600 3/10/2000, Andrew Wimmer wrote:
>I have been using FMPro to simply overwrite the subscriber file on a
>couple of my lists. Mail is delivered properly to the new list, but
>AutoShare does not deal with subscriber rights until I restart
>AutoShare.
The only thing that I can think off is that your overwritten list is
not sorted properly. At the end of your export script, do
tell application "AutoShare"
activate
run -- verifies lists etc
end tell
AutoShare may need extra memory to sort large lists.
See <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/#sort> for details.
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:21:52 -0600
Subject: AutoShare and FMP
From: "Andrew R. Schmiechen" <aschmiechen at discovercolor dot com>
> I use Autoshare. I don't think that it can do web-based remote admin to your
> spec right out of the box, but it's flexible and extensible enough that you
> should be able to put something together with a bit of scripting. For example,
> it can use FileMaker databases for its address lists, so you should be able to
> create lists using FMPro and front-end the dbs with a web interface.
Would someone be willing to elaborate a little more about this?
Here's what I'm working on in FMP. If I can get Autoshare to automatically
read FMP, it would make life easier. I'm working on an employee database
for keeping track of general information, computer info, etc. Part of the
database is to have our HR people create new users in the database, which
would automatically add them to the mail server and the appropriate mailing
lists. We use AutoShare for department and team mailing lists. This would
all be web based with Lasso and FMP. I was thinking, of using Lasso's email
capabilities to fire off a subscribe message from each new employee to the
appropriate lists. However, if Autoshare can build it's mailing lists on
FMP queries, this would be so much easier. Note, however, that Autoshare
and FMP don't run on the same machine.
-A.
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:59:17 +0100
From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Subject: AutoShare/EIMS and WebSTAR
Hi,
I would like to run EIMS and AutoShare on 1 computer and a webserver
as WebSTAR on another computer.
=46or the moment they run happily on one.
What will be the consequences ?
Do I loose the option to run web archives of my mailinglists ?
I assume AutoShare can't make files and folders on another computer, isn't i=
t?
Are there other consequences ?
Thank you for your help.
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:37:44 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare/EIMS and WebSTAR
At 19:59 +0100 3/16/2000, Giedo De Snijder wrote:
>I would like to run EIMS and AutoShare on 1 computer and a webserver
>as WebSTAR on another computer.
>For the moment they run happily on one.
>What will be the consequences ?
>Do I loose the option to run web archives of my mailinglists ?
>I assume AutoShare can't make files and folders on another computer, isn't it?
>Are there other consequences ?
>Thank you for your help.
Specifying the path for the automated web archives on another Mac
should be okay, if file sharing is configured properly. I suggest
though that you keep the standard text and/or HTML archives on the
Mac where AutoShare is running.
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:10:14 -0500
From: Keith 'Tak' Takayesu <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare Digests and HTML
Mikael - THANKS!
That fix seemed to do the job. The archive now shows the formatted
HTML as it was originally mailed. However, I think something else
broke. The links on the archive page don't seem to work, because the
anchors are not there.
See http://cpu2161.adsl.bellglobal.com/TeamCanada/Team100/Team100/Current.html
>At 20:33 -0800 3/9/2000, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>
>>Okay, I see. If the content-type of the list contribution is
>>text/html, I'll just have AutoShare not HTMLize it for the
>>archives. That should do it.
>
>Let me know if it works for you. Thanks.
>Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:AutoShare4.2b2d1PPC.sit
>(SIT5/SIT!) (000967CE)
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:22:25 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare and FMP
At 16:51 -0800 3/14/2000, Webmaster <webmaster at homes-magazine dot com> wrote:
[on the SIMS lists, Re: Mail lists]
>I use Autoshare. I don't think that it can do web-based remote admin to your
>spec right out of the box, but it's flexible and extensible enough that you
>should be able to put something together with a bit of scripting. For example,
>it can use FileMaker databases for its address lists, so you should be able to
>create lists using FMPro and front-end the dbs with a web interface.
At 09:21 -0600 3/16/2000, Andrew R. Schmiechen wrote:
>Would someone be willing to elaborate a little more about this?
The above is a reference to the script database subscriber format. See
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/index.html#listformat>
which lists the Subscriber list files and formats: standard
subscriber format, built-in database format and script database
format. The latter two were introduced in version 3.0 around a year
and a half ago.
When the script database subscriber format is used, AutoShare
communicates with the database application such as FMP via a Database
process extender application by means of scripting. There is an FMP
Database process extender included in the release archive of
AutoShare. You are encouraged to view and understand the AppleScript
source before using it for serious business.
>Here's what I'm working on in FMP. If I can get Autoshare to automatically
>read FMP, it would make life easier. I'm working on an employee database
>for keeping track of general information, computer info, etc. Part of the
>database is to have our HR people create new users in the database, which
>would automatically add them to the mail server and the appropriate mailing
>lists. We use AutoShare for department and team mailing lists. This would
>all be web based with Lasso and FMP. I was thinking, of using Lasso's email
>capabilities to fire off a subscribe message from each new employee to the
>appropriate lists. However, if Autoshare can build it's mailing lists on
>FMP queries, this would be so much easier. Note, however, that Autoshare
>and FMP don't run on the same machine.
Subject: Help! I've killed it!
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:18:17 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
I have tried to set up multiple preferences to serve lists from multiple
domains using AutoShare, and EIMS 1.2. Now, my list messages are not
going through, and AutoShare seems to be running berserk. I cannot get
AutoShare Admin to communicate with AutoShare, and I cannot get AutoShare
to quit. One of the status windows shows "postprocessing" going on, but I
haven't set up any post processing. I turned processing off, but it keeps
going on. Nothing will work short of a three-fingered salute (after which
it takes off running again). Help!
Can anyone give me a step-by-step way to set up multiple domains with
AutoShare? I have read the documentation, but I think I don't know enough
about AutoShare to understand what I am reading. For example, do I give a
bounce address to autoshare which reflects each domain when setting up
multiple preferences? Does EIMS need just one bounce account? Where does
this "Hosts" file go, and what does its contents have to be? Does anyone
know where the 450 MB of disk space which mysteriously vanished might
have gone? I'm drowning.
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
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King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
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Judge.²
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Subject: Autoshare as Announcement Board?
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:18:21 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
I want to set up a sort of Bulletin or Announcement Board that a small
group of people may place notices on, but that anyone can read. As I was
looking through all me sample forms and CGIs, it came to me that an
Autoshare Web archive is not much different. Has anyone done this? Can
you give me tips on setting it up? My thought is to set up a Moderated
list to which only the chosen few may post. The "Announcements" link will
be to the web archive. There may or may not be subscribers. Will this
work? Can I prevent people who subscribe from changing their options to
permit them to post?
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be
Judge.²
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:40:19 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Newbie question...
At 11:10 PM -0500 on 3/9/00, Joseph D'Andrea wrote:
>Trying to set up autoshare according to the docs. The autoreply
>works great, now on to the Fun-L list. My first attempt to subscribe
>to the list gets bounced.
>
>Here's what comes back....
>
>To: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
>From: autoshare at ps00.west21 dot com
>Subject: sub fun-l Joseph D'Andrea
>Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:57:23 -0500
Here is shows the subject as "sub fun-l Joseph D'Andrea"
>Invalid list server command: sub
>
>Welcome to the list server!
>
>Available AutoShare list server commands in the body are:
>
> SUB <list> <name> subscription to a list
>
Here it states that the server commands need to be "in the body".
>Seems like "sub" is both a command and not a command...
>
>What simple thing did I miss?
>
My guess is that you may have configured the list to expect command
in the body, and tried to submit the command as the subject.
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:22:56 -0500
From: "Keith 'Tak' Takayesu" <skydiver at pobox dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare as Announcement Board?
Charles -
I'm just experimenting with this myself, and it seems to work. If you
specify that a list is announcement only, using the Autoshare Admin
program (under Lists... List), then only the
E-mail that is specified on that screen will be allowed to post to the list.
I also turn off the x-headers (RFC under More Lists) for 3,4,5,6,7,
so they won't get some of the other autoshare options listed. Change
the help file so it doesn't tell them how to change anything.
You can still manually set up specific people so that they, too, can
post to the Announcement list.
Specify the Web Path, so that it will generate the Digest on a web
page. Mikael just updated the beta so that it will handle e-mail
announcements that have HTML content in the Digest web page.
At 11:18 AM -0500 3/20/00, Charles L.Martin wrote:
>I want to set up a sort of Bulletin or Announcement Board that a small
>group of people may place notices on, but that anyone can read. As I was
>looking through all me sample forms and CGIs, it came to me that an
>Autoshare Web archive is not much different. Has anyone done this? Can
>you give me tips on setting it up? My thought is to set up a Moderated
>list to which only the chosen few may post. The "Announcements" link will
>be to the web archive. There may or may not be subscribers. Will this
>work? Can I prevent people who subscribe from changing their options to
>permit them to post?
>
>Charles L. Martin
>clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
>http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
>
>Alice: "The King seems so prejudiced."
>King: "Thank you Alice. That's what makes me so eminently qualified to be
>Judge."
>Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:36:29 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Help! I've killed it!
At 11:18 -0500 3/20/2000, Charles L. Martin wrote:
>I have tried to set up multiple preferences to serve lists from multiple
>domains using AutoShare, and EIMS 1.2. Now, my list messages are not
>going through, and AutoShare seems to be running berserk. I cannot get
>AutoShare Admin to communicate with AutoShare, and I cannot get AutoShare
>to quit.
It may help to keep in mind the basic layout of the multiple
preferences feature, which is that you run entirely separate folder
environments, which cannot share anything other than the folder used
by the mail server to pick up the message files (in EIMS language,
the 'Incoming Mail' folder). You are as close to running multiple
AutoShare applications on multiple Macs as possible without actually
doing so.
If you can't quit AutoShare, see if you can switch to another
application including the Finder. If you are able to, AutoShare is
doing probably just fine although perhaps in the middle of some
extensive processing, but if you're not, then AutoShare is stuck in
some narrow foreverland loop, and you might as well force-quit the
AutoShare application.
>One of the status windows shows "postprocessing" going on, but I
>haven't set up any post processing. I turned processing off, but it keeps
>going on. Nothing will work short of a three-fingered salute (after which
>it takes off running again). Help!
The "postprocessing" refers to the final phase where the file being
processed is transferred from the AutoShare Temp folder to the
Incoming mail folder. This phase is likely also to include various
finishing touches such as MIME-formatting. If a message file includes
a huge attachment, it could take quite a while depending on your
settings. If the processing doesn't complete, I would like to see the
file in the AutoShare Temp folder. And since it's in a multiple
preferences environment, there are several AutoShare Temp folders.
>Can anyone give me a step-by-step way to set up multiple domains with
>AutoShare? I have read the documentation, but I think I don't know enough
>about AutoShare to understand what I am reading. For example, do I give a
>bounce address to autoshare which reflects each domain when setting up
>multiple preferences? Does EIMS need just one bounce account? Where does
>this "Hosts" file go, and what does its contents have to be? Does anyone
>know where the 450 MB of disk space which mysteriously vanished might
>have gone? I'm drowning.
450MB is a lot of disk space, but I would check the AutoShare Temp
folders. If you find a huge file, be sure to StuffIt it before
sending it to me.
You need to specify a bounce address for each preference set, because
bounced messages should arrive in the respective Bounce (or Filed
Mail) folder.
The thing about AutoShare is that she treats all preference sets as
equals. She does so in a round-robin fashion: first you, then you2,
then you3, then you once again. Whenever you enter the Admin, you
must immediately specify which preference set you want to work with,
or seemingly random behaviour will occur.
Let's say that you press the OK button in a given window in the
Admin. That may cause the Admin to contact AutoShare more than more
once. The Admin in this situation assumes it's for the same
preference set, but the democratic round-robin AutoShare doesn't know
that. She's just saying that if you didn't tell me to hold onto a
given preference set, I'll do you, then you2, then you3 and then back
to you. The key is Command-U in the Admin.
Subject: Re: Autoshare as Announcement Board?
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:44:27 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Thanks, Tak.
Keith 'Tak' Takayesu said:
>I'm just experimenting with this myself, and it seems to work. If you
>specify that a list is announcement only, using the Autoshare Admin
>program (under Lists... List), then only the
>E-mail that is specified on that screen will be allowed to post to the lis=
t.
>I also turn off the x-headers (RFC under More Lists) for 3,4,5,6,7,
>so they won't get some of the other autoshare options listed. Change
>the help file so it doesn't tell them how to change anything.
>
>You can still manually set up specific people so that they, too, can
>post to the Announcement list.
>
>Specify the Web Path, so that it will generate the Digest on a web
>page. Mikael just updated the beta so that it will handle e-mail
>announcements that have HTML content in the Digest web page.
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Subject: Re: Help! I've killed it!
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:12:02 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Thanks for the reply, Mikael. Unfortunately, it took me a long time to
get back up with anything after I messed up AutoShare. I just had to
disable multiple preferences. One list subscriber got over 400 messages
saying his post was rejected, and another got over 800 messages. I
finally had to delete the SMTP outgoing mail file.
I did not set up accounts named Bounce1, Bounce2, Bounce3, etc. Is that
why I had all this difficulty?
So let me start at the beginning.
Mikael Hansen said:
>At 11:18 -0500 3/20/2000, Charles L. Martin wrote:
>
>>I have tried to set up multiple preferences to serve lists from multiple
>>domains using AutoShare, and EIMS 1.2. Now, my list messages are not
>>going through, and AutoShare seems to be running berserk. I cannot get
>>AutoShare Admin to communicate with AutoShare, and I cannot get AutoShare
>>to quit.
>
>It may help to keep in mind the basic layout of the multiple
>preferences feature, which is that you run entirely separate folder
>environments, which cannot share anything other than the folder used
>by the mail server to pick up the message files (in EIMS language,
>the 'Incoming Mail' folder). You are as close to running multiple
>AutoShare applications on multiple Macs as possible without actually
>doing so.
>
>If you can't quit AutoShare, see if you can switch to another
>application including the Finder. If you are able to, AutoShare is
>doing probably just fine although perhaps in the middle of some
>extensive processing, but if you're not, then AutoShare is stuck in
>some narrow foreverland loop, and you might as well force-quit the
>AutoShare application.
>
>>One of the status windows shows "postprocessing" going on, but I
>>haven't set up any post processing. I turned processing off, but it keeps
>>going on. Nothing will work short of a three-fingered salute (after which
>>it takes off running again). Help!
>
>The "postprocessing" refers to the final phase where the file being
>processed is transferred from the AutoShare Temp folder to the
>Incoming mail folder. This phase is likely also to include various
>finishing touches such as MIME-formatting. If a message file includes
>a huge attachment, it could take quite a while depending on your
>settings. If the processing doesn't complete, I would like to see the
>file in the AutoShare Temp folder. And since it's in a multiple
>preferences environment, there are several AutoShare Temp folders.
>
>>Can anyone give me a step-by-step way to set up multiple domains with
>>AutoShare? I have read the documentation, but I think I don't know enough
>>about AutoShare to understand what I am reading. For example, do I give a
>>bounce address to autoshare which reflects each domain when setting up
>>multiple preferences? Does EIMS need just one bounce account? Where does
>>this "Hosts" file go, and what does its contents have to be? Does anyone
>>know where the 450 MB of disk space which mysteriously vanished might
>>have gone? I'm drowning.
>
>450MB is a lot of disk space, but I would check the AutoShare Temp
>folders. If you find a huge file, be sure to StuffIt it before
>sending it to me.
>
>You need to specify a bounce address for each preference set, because
>bounced messages should arrive in the respective Bounce (or Filed
>Mail) folder.
>
>The thing about AutoShare is that she treats all preference sets as
>equals. She does so in a round-robin fashion: first you, then you2,
>then you3, then you once again. Whenever you enter the Admin, you
>must immediately specify which preference set you want to work with,
>or seemingly random behaviour will occur.
>
>Let's say that you press the OK button in a given window in the
>Admin. That may cause the Admin to contact AutoShare more than more
>once. The Admin in this situation assumes it's for the same
>preference set, but the democratic round-robin AutoShare doesn't know
>that. She's just saying that if you didn't tell me to hold onto a
>given preference set, I'll do you, then you2, then you3 and then back
>to you. The key is Command-U in the Admin.
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:05:26 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Help! I've killed it!
At 18:12 -0500 3/21/2000, Charles L. Martin wrote:
>Thanks for the reply, Mikael. Unfortunately, it took me a long time to
>get back up with anything after I messed up AutoShare. I just had to
>disable multiple preferences. One list subscriber got over 400 messages
>saying his post was rejected, and another got over 800 messages. I
>finally had to delete the SMTP outgoing mail file.
>
>I did not set up accounts named Bounce1, Bounce2, Bounce3, etc. Is that
>why I had all this difficulty?
If you let AutoShare deal with bounce messages, then you need to make
sure that the mail server is handing them over to the AutoShare
preference set environment that they belong to. One environment
doesn't know about the way another environment is configured.
>So let me start at the beginning.
:-)
My motto is that if it doesn't work for a test list, it won't work
for a live list. There's much to be said for the limited cost of
preventive maintenance.
Subject: Re: Help! I've killed it!
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:06:08 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
I still don't know what to do. So maybe some specific questions will
bring the answers I need.
1-Do I set up a bounce account for each domain?
2-What is in the AutoShare Hosts file, what must I name it, and where
must I put it?
3-The AutoShare docs say the bounce account must be the same domain as
the list, but when you have multiple domains, isn't it true that EIMS
does not recognize the difference between domains? How can an account be
set up to specify a domain different from the default? I thought all you
needed to do in EIMS was to add the new domain as a host. I have not been
able to find any documentation for using EIMS in a multi-domain
environment. Does anyone know if there is some somewhere?
4-Assuming I have done the above, do I then create a @domain folder for
each domain, or only all after the first?
5-Do I need to understand the "Unknown account?"
Sorry to have so many questions. Maybe I am dense, but this stuff is not
obvious to me. Even the basic operation of AutoShare is magic to me. I do
not even understand how and were files are moved as they are processed.
On 3/22/00 10:05 AM, Mikael Hansen said:
>>I did not set up accounts named Bounce1, Bounce2, Bounce3, etc. Is that
>>why I had all this difficulty?
>
>If you let AutoShare deal with bounce messages, then you need to make
>sure that the mail server is handing them over to the AutoShare
>preference set environment that they belong to. One environment
>doesn't know about the way another environment is configured.
>
>>So let me start at the beginning.
>
>:-)
>
>My motto is that if it doesn't work for a test list, it won't work
>for a live list. There's much to be said for the limited cost of
>preventive maintenance.
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:01:30 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Help! I've killed it!
At 11:06 -0500 3/22/2000, Charles L. Martin wrote:
>I still don't know what to do. So maybe some specific questions will
>bring the answers I need.
>
>1-Do I set up a bounce account for each domain?
Yes, this is an absolute must. Secondary preference sets are no
different from the primary preference set. Whenever you start up a
new preference set, do what you did when you began using AutoShare
with the default preference set: specify the main listmaster and the
bounce account, then set up the standard folders.
The bounce account is very important because the domain part of the
bounce address is used for many things default-wise.
>2-What is in the AutoShare Hosts file, what must I name it, and where
>must I put it?
The host file is most often used for support for multiple domains
with a single preference set, so it is likely you can forget about it.
>3-The AutoShare docs say the bounce account must be the same domain as
>the list, but when you have multiple domains, isn't it true that EIMS
>does not recognize the difference between domains? How can an account be
>set up to specify a domain different from the default? I thought all you
>needed to do in EIMS was to add the new domain as a host. I have not been
>able to find any documentation for using EIMS in a multi-domain
>environment. Does anyone know if there is some somewhere?
That would likely be a question to the EIMS list or to folks here who
have a live EIMS server running multiple domains. AutoShare merely
inspects the domain part of the recipient address of the message file
that she's processing.
>4-Assuming I have done the above, do I then create a @domain folder for
>each domain, or only all after the first?
In AutoShare language, that would be @<preference set>. But yes, each
preference set is invoked by creating a @<preference set> folder
inside the folder of the primary preference set.
>5-Do I need to understand the "Unknown account?"
No. Using that feature merely means that AutoShare will deal with
unknown users, in your case within various domains. EIMS being a mail
server has its own built-in way of bouncing messages sent to unknown
users.
>Sorry to have so many questions. Maybe I am dense, but this stuff is not
>obvious to me. Even the basic operation of AutoShare is magic to me. I do
>not even understand how and were files are moved as they are processed.
Understanding multiple domains in the mail server world may not be
easy, but once you do, the multiple preference sets feature in
AutoShare is likely to come naturally to you.
The basic operation of AutoShare is simple: the mail server hands her
message files, she processes them and then hands them over the mail
server. Viola!
Subject: Re: Help! I've killed it!
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:35:55 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Does this mean I am complicating my life unnecessarily? All I want to do
is set up lists with multiple domains, all running on one server. I
thought I needed multiple preference sets in order to do that. Otherwise,
how would the bounce account be the same domain as the list?
On 3/22/00 4:01 PM, Mikael Hansen said:
>>2-What is in the AutoShare Hosts file, what must I name it, and where
>>must I put it?
>
>The host file is most often used for support for multiple domains
>with a single preference set, so it is likely you can forget about it.
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:00:25 +0000
From: James Berriman <james at acoustic.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: Help! I've killed it!
At 1:01 pm -0800 22/3/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>The basic operation of AutoShare is simple: the mail server hands
>her message files, she processes them and then hands them over the
>mail server. Viola!
Or in my case, Violin...
( :-]) James
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:02:20 +0100
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Filters don't work?
Hi, I have some problems with filters. I did not use filters before,
so it can be just my mistake, but I would like to solve it...
I am using AutoShare 4.1.1 and SIMS 1.7 and the domain is
"appleklub.cz". I don't create special account, and use the "unknown"
account instead.
I have an account "info" set up so that is goes both to my address,
and to the not existing account "autoresponder".
In the "Documents" folder, I have a folder named "autoresponder" with
the "Default" response.
I tried to put a file named "autoresponder" into the "Filters" folder.
First try - first problem:
My filter file "autoresponder" contained this one line:
Subject: Re:
When I tried to send a test message with subject "Re: test" to
info at appleklub dot cz, I received this error message back from the
address "autoresponder@ns.felk.cvut.cz" (ns.felk.cvut dot cz is SMTP
server which I use for sending any e-mails from our server):
<x-flowed>Sorry. The domain of the recipient address is not valid.
Please contact listmaster at appleklub dot cz
Welcome to the Listserver of KPPM, The Czech Macintosh User Group!
Our prefered language is Czech. English information can be found below.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
And after this, there was main default autoresponse from the
AutoShare, which is in the folder "listserv" inside the "Documents"
folder.
Second try - second problem:
I changed the filter file "autoresponder" to this:
Subject: Re
Then I sent the test message again, and received the default
autoresponder response - that means the message was not filtered.
Any idea what's wrong?
HOnza
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:35:28 +0100
From: Jochen Haeberle <listen at MIDRAS dot de>
Subject: Importing a list of users
Hi,
is there a save (and perhaps easy) way to import a list of users
into Autoshare beside typing them in with AutoShare Admin?
Is it enough to add the names to the files <list>, <list>.m and
<list>.d in the List Server folder? What do those chars at the end of
each line in paranthesis in <list> mean??
Jochen
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:17:21 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Importing a list of users
At 10:35 +0100 3/24/2000, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>is there a save (and perhaps easy) way to import a list of users
>into Autoshare beside typing them in with AutoShare Admin?
Just a drag and drop away. See "Drag and drop onto AutoShare" at
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/#draganddrop>
This is for merging into existing lists (among other things).
>Is it enough to add the names to the files <list>, <list>.m and
><list>.d in the List Server folder?
Just the first one, if you want to create a new list. Plus you need
to restart AutoShare (or use the Run AppleScript command).
>What do those chars at the end of
>each line in paranthesis in <list> mean??
.m is message (regular subscribers only), and .d is digest.
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:39:14 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Filters don't work?
At 10:02 +0100 3/24/2000, HOnza Koudelka wrote:
>First try - first problem:
>
>My filter file "autoresponder" contained this one line:
>
>Subject: Re:
>
>When I tried to send a test message with subject "Re: test" to
>info at appleklub dot cz, I received this error message back from the
>address "autoresponder@ns.felk.cvut.cz" (ns.felk.cvut dot cz is SMTP
>server which I use for sending any e-mails from our server):
>
><x-flowed>Sorry. The domain of the recipient address is not valid.
>
>Please contact listmaster at appleklub dot cz
This case is so uniquely funny that I missed several weather
forecasts during the last hour. The above format only happens if no
default document can be found plus the two domains are different from
each other. The real fun kicks off with the above middle warning line
being blank, inasmuch as that line will display a domain. So how can
the recipient domain be blank when AutoShare happily goes out of her
way expand user to user@domain? The answer is that your recipient
address in the SMTP envelope is user@. I don't know if that is
allowable mail server procedure per the RFCs, but if the good folks
at SIMS say it is, then I'll happily enhance my expand address code
:-)
Btw, there is a interesting little thing about AutoShare filters that
goes like this: when you specify colons in RFC field bodies (e.g.
"Subject: Re:"), use dashes instead (e.g. "Subject: Re-"). It's just
an odd thing relating to colons as part of Mac file/folder paths.
>Second try - second problem:
>
>I changed the filter file "autoresponder" to this:
>
>Subject: Re
>
>Then I sent the test message again, and received the default
>autoresponder response - that means the message was not filtered.
With a filter file containing "Subject: Re" and a message subject
being "Re: test", AutoShare filters just fine here.
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:45:25 +0200
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Filters don't work?
>><x-flowed>Sorry. The domain of the recipient address is not valid.
>>
>>Please contact listmaster at appleklub dot cz
>
...
>The answer
>is that your recipient address in the SMTP envelope is user@. I
>don't know if that is allowable mail server procedure per the RFCs,
>but if the good folks at SIMS say it is, then I'll happily enhance
>my expand address code :-)
OK, so I guess that for now putting "autoresponder@appleklub dot cz"
instead of only "autoresponder" into the SIMS forwarding list would
solve this for me?
>Btw, there is a interesting little thing about AutoShare filters
>that goes like this: when you specify colons in RFC field bodies
>(e.g. "Subject: Re:"), use dashes instead (e.g. "Subject: Re-").
>It's just an odd thing relating to colons as part of Mac file/folder
>paths.
Aha, I did not know that it works also in filters...
>>Second try - second problem:
>>
>>I changed the filter file "autoresponder" to this:
>>
>>Subject: Re
>>
>>Then I sent the test message again, and received the default
>>autoresponder response - that means the message was not filtered.
>
>With a filter file containing "Subject: Re" and a message subject
>being "Re: test", AutoShare filters just fine here.
Well, it can still be the problem with the domain name. I'll try to
use full address in the forwarding list, and I'll see if that helps.
Thanks.
HOnza
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\ \/ /\/\ \/ / not for computers
\/\/ /\ \/\/ -------------------------------------
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/ /\ \/\/ /\ \ mailto:koudelka at appleklub dot cz
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----------------------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:32:18 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Filters don't work?
At 11:45 +0200 3/26/2000, HOnza Koudelka wrote:
>>><x-flowed>Sorry. The domain of the recipient address is not valid.
>>>
>>>Please contact listmaster at appleklub dot cz
>>
>...
>
>>The answer
>>is that your recipient address in the SMTP envelope is user@. I
>>don't know if that is allowable mail server procedure per the RFCs,
>>but if the good folks at SIMS say it is, then I'll happily enhance
>>my expand address code :-)
Okay, it's Oscars night, so support for user@ is in 4 dot 2b2.
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:36:11 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 4.2b2
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>
Less than an hour to go...
Oscars March 26 2000 My likely to win My favorite
Best picture American Beauty AB/Being John Malkovich
Actor Kevin Spacey Sean Penn/KS/Denzel Washington
Actress Annette Bening Hilary Swank
Supporting actor Tom Cruise Michael Caine
Supporting actress Angelina Jolie Samantha Morton/Chloe Sevigny
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:37:39 +0200
From: Jochen Haeberle <listen at MIDRAS dot de>
Subject: Re: Importing a list of users
Hi Mikael,
thanks for the tip. I overlooked this part of the docs :-(
Unfortunately, I do not get the point how to do what I want...
At 17:17 Uhr -0800 24.03.2000, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 10:35 +0100 3/24/2000, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>
>>is there a save (and perhaps easy) way to import a list of users
>>into Autoshare beside typing them in with AutoShare Admin?
>
>Just a drag and drop away. See "Drag and drop onto AutoShare" at
> <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/#draganddrop>
>This is for merging into existing lists (among other things).
I would like to add a list of users in the form "Name <eMail@domain>"
to a list which is part of a additional preference set (list name
does exist in several preferences sets!). How would I do this???
From the docs:
>If the name of a dropped file is that of a list, the file's address
>lines create respective subscription message files in the Filed Mail
>folder, which is a convenient way of adding many new addresses at one
>time while also providing the subscribers with returned
>notifications. Notice though that the dropped file may not be any
>list file in the List Server folder for this to occur.
Okay, this seems to be the way to go, although I would like to import
the adresses without issuing a MailBack confirmation what this
approach would probably cause. But what does the last sentence mean?
Sure, the name of the file has to be that of the list file, so what???
How do I tell AutoShare what preference set I would like to use? Is
it enough to set the preference set active before importing?
>If the dropped file however is a list file in the List Server folder
>and the list is configured for the built-in database format, then the
>list's subscribers are imported into the respective database file in
>the Databases folder. If the list is not configured for the built-in
>database format, nothing happens.
Does this again refer to the name of a list file or the format of a
list file? Is this suitable for replacing the subscribers of a given
list with the ones from the file?
>If the name of a dropped file contains an '@' sign, then the first
>e-mail address of each line will be extracted and output to another
>text file, whose name is appended with '.1'. The output file may then
>be used as a standard list file. If the output file already exists or
>if the input file name contains more than 29 characters, nothing
>happens.
Aha... is this suitable for replacing the subscribers of a given list
with the ones from a text?
How does the database get rebuild with those approaches? Automatically?
>>What do those chars at the end of
>>each line in paranthesis in <list> mean??
>
>.m is message (regular subscribers only), and .d is digest.
Oh, you got me wrong on this. I mean on each line _in_ the list file
there are brackets with some numbers and letters in them. They seem
to tell the subscribers settings, but how do they work??
Please advice - thanks
Jochen
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:48:56 +0200
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Filters don't work?
>At 11:45 +0200 3/26/2000, HOnza Koudelka wrote:
>
>>>><x-flowed>Sorry. The domain of the recipient address is not valid.
>>>>
>>>>Please contact listmaster at appleklub dot cz
>>>
>>...
>>
>>>The answer
>>>is that your recipient address in the SMTP envelope is user@. I
>>>don't know if that is allowable mail server procedure per the RFCs,
>>>but if the good folks at SIMS say it is, then I'll happily enhance
>>>my expand address code :-)
>
>Okay, it's Oscars night, so support for user@ is in 4 dot 2b2.
Thanks :-)
Now, I have done some further testing and found some problem (may be bug?):
When I send an e-mail directly to autoresponder at appleklub dot cz,
everything works well.
When I send an e-mail to the test-autoresponse at appleklub dot cz, which is
setup as SIMS account being forwarded to listmaster at appleklub dot cz and
autoresponder at appleklub dot cz, AutoShare correctly replies with the
response for the account "autoresponder", but the filtering does not
work.
So I guess that filtering uses different (old/bad?) routine for
extracting account name from the message.
HOnza
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:46:23 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Importing a list of users
At 11:37 +0200 3/27/2000, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>I would like to add a list of users in the form "Name <eMail@domain>"
>to a list which is part of a additional preference set (list name
>does exist in several preferences sets!). How would I do this???
The form "Name <eMail@domain>" works for a file entitled <list>. In a
multiple preferences set environment, I would suggest that you use
Command-U to make a given set active when dragging the file on the
AutoShare icon.
>From the docs:
>
>>If the name of a dropped file is that of a list, the file's address
>>lines create respective subscription message files in the Filed Mail
>>folder, which is a convenient way of adding many new addresses at one
>>time while also providing the subscribers with returned
>>notifications. Notice though that the dropped file may not be any
>>list file in the List Server folder for this to occur.
>
>Okay, this seems to be the way to go, although I would like to import
>the adresses without issuing a MailBack confirmation what this
>approach would probably cause.
Mail-backs are something different. If you don't want new subscribers
to receive a note that they have been subscribed, then simply don't
have your mail server pick up those message files when the import
takes place.
>>>What do those chars at the end of
>>>each line in paranthesis in <list> mean??
>>
>>.m is message (regular subscribers only), and .d is digest.
>
>Oh, you got me wrong on this. I mean on each line _in_ the list file
>there are brackets with some numbers and letters in them. They seem
>to tell the subscribers settings, but how do they work??
See "Subscriber list files and formats".
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:52:40 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Filters don't work?
At 14:48 +0200 3/27/2000, HOnza Koudelka wrote:
>Thanks :-)
>
>Now, I have done some further testing and found some problem (may be bug?):
>
>When I send an e-mail directly to autoresponder at appleklub dot cz,
>everything works well.
>
>When I send an e-mail to the test-autoresponse at appleklub dot cz, which
>is setup as SIMS account being forwarded to listmaster at appleklub dot cz
>and autoresponder at appleklub dot cz, AutoShare correctly replies with the
>response for the account "autoresponder", but the filtering does not
>work.
>
>So I guess that filtering uses different (old/bad?) routine for
>extracting account name from the message.
I probably need to see such a forwarded message file. Being in your
shoes, I would compare the RFC addresses with the SMTP envelope
addresses. Forwarding sometimes doesn't work the way one would expect.
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:04:40 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Help ! listmaster unable to post
Hi all
First of all, let me say that I was forced to leave AS for monthes, and
only recently did I recover, starting from scratch and trying to gain an
extended knowledge of what AS can and can't do.
By now I'm trying to go as far as I can with just folders and files
configurations. I must say I'm really impressed by the versatility of AS.
Congratulations Mikael !
Enough of this. I'm having a problem with the listmaster address.
In autoshare misc pref, I entered listmaster@<domain> and bounce@<domain>.
In admin more misc, I set RFC from instead of enveloppe.
I thought that listmaster name and address could be left as default - only
entering them as generic. Is it true?
My problem is that I, as the listmaster, am not allowed to post to my
lists, whether subscription or moderated/announcements. I then tried to
enter specific listmaster name and address, that didn't help.
However logs and reports are correctly sent to me.
Did I do something wrong or forget something ?
Thanks,
Serge
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:19:22 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Help ! listmaster unable to post
At 17:04 +0200 3/29/2000, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>First of all, let me say that I was forced to leave AS for monthes, and
>only recently did I recover, starting from scratch and trying to gain an
>extended knowledge of what AS can and can't do.
>By now I'm trying to go as far as I can with just folders and files
>configurations. I must say I'm really impressed by the versatility of AS.
>Congratulations Mikael !
>
>Enough of this.
:-) :-)
>I'm having a problem with the listmaster address.
>In autoshare misc pref, I entered listmaster@<domain> and bounce@<domain>.
>In admin more misc, I set RFC from instead of enveloppe.
>
>I thought that listmaster name and address could be left as default - only
>entering them as generic. Is it true?
Yes. Either listmaster (main or list-specific) will do.
>
>My problem is that I, as the listmaster, am not allowed to post to my
>lists, whether subscription or moderated/announcements. I then tried to
>enter specific listmaster name and address, that didn't help.
>However logs and reports are correctly sent to me.
>
>Did I do something wrong or forget something ?
You may have forgotten to subscribe the listmaster to the list.
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:47:34 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: Help ! listmaster unable to post
>>My problem is that I, as the listmaster, am not allowed to post to my
>>lists, whether subscription or moderated/announcements. I then tried to
>>enter specific listmaster name and address, that didn't help.
>You may have forgotten to subscribe the listmaster to the list.
Yes, exactly. In fact, I believed this was not needed. Is it explicitly
stated somewhere in the doc? After carefully reading some sections as the
moderated or announcement lists, and moderators, I had come to the
conclusion that the default and list specific listmasters could post to the
list as well.
Other question.
When the listmaster receives report of someone trying to subscribe to a
private list, does he have something more clever to do than just manually
subscribing that person?
Thanks,
Serge
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\///\/// J A C Q U E S | 2 place Jussieu - 75251 Paris Cedex 05
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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:23:31 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Help ! listmaster unable to post
At 16:47 +0200 3/30/2000, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
> >You may have forgotten to subscribe the listmaster to the list.
>
>Yes, exactly. In fact, I believed this was not needed. Is it explicitly
>stated somewhere in the doc? After carefully reading some sections as the
>moderated or announcement lists, and moderators, I had come to the
>conclusion that the default and list specific listmasters could post to the
>list as well.
I'll be sure to update the documentation.
>Other question.
>When the listmaster receives report of someone trying to subscribe to a
>private list, does he have something more clever to do than just manually
>subscribing that person?
I'm not sure I understand the question.
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:45:25 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: Help ! listmaster unable to post
>>When the listmaster receives report of someone trying to subscribe to a
>>private list, does he have something more clever to do than just manually
>>subscribing that person?
>I'm not sure I understand the question.
When someone tries to subscribe to a private list, the listmaster receives
this kind of mail :
>A list server request from john.doe at foobar dot com
>
>(quote of the original mail headers)
>
>sub list username
What can the listmaster do at this time : just manually subscribe that
person the way he usually subscribes people, or send back to the server a
part of the mail he receives as a shortcut to/reminder of the original
command?
Serge
__ __ __
_ \///\/ _ I N S T I T U T | Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose - IJM Tour 43
\///\/// J A C Q U E S | 2 place Jussieu - 75251 Paris Cedex 05
_///\///\_ M O N O D | m at il : service.informatique at ijm dot jussieu dot fr
__/\///\__ Service Informatique | WWW : http://www.ijm.jussieu.fr/
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:04:39 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: A small character conversion bug ?
Hi all
I think I discovered a small bug in the mime conversion for outgoing mail.
Suppose 'Mime QP' or 'QP always' is on, and someone tries to subscribe to a
private list. The full request mail including headers is sent back to the
listmaster inside another mail.
So the original mail could have these headers :
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
When it is processed once and then included in the mail to the listmaster,
it is turned to :
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And then sent to the listmaster in a mail which charset is also set to
quoted-printable.
And this is the problem. The '=' in the quoted headers has not been turned
to =, so any mime mua tries to interpret '="i' as a qp character and
complains.
This is really a small almost non-annoying bug, but it's there.
Serge
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:12:21 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 4.2b3
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>
A few important process extender fixes. (Thanks, HOnza.)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:17:59 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Help ! listmaster unable to post
At 11:45 +0200 3/31/2000, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>When someone tries to subscribe to a private list, the listmaster receives
>this kind of mail :
>
>>A list server request from john.doe at foobar dot com
>>
>>(quote of the original mail headers)
>>
> >sub list username
>
>What can the listmaster do at this time : just manually subscribe that
>person the way he usually subscribes people, or send back to the server a
>part of the mail he receives as a shortcut to/reminder of the original
>command?
I would use remote administration via e-mail. Change
sub list username
to
password subscribe address list username
and send it off to autoshare@domain.
There are no bells and whistles like with mail-backs or moderated posts.
Date: 31 Mar 00 15:13:52 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Help ! listmaster unable to post
Reply to: Re: Help ! listmaster unable to post
I would think one could write some Applescript to process a message and =
send the subscription info when a copy of the message (as a text file with =
headers) was dropped on the applescript. Unfortunately I don't have the =
time to do it. Surely someonw could help out here.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======
Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 11:45 +0200 3/31/2000, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>
>>When someone tries to subscribe to a private list, the listmaster =
receives
>>this kind of mail :
>>
>>>A list server request from john.doe at foobar dot com
>>>
>>>(quote of the original mail headers)
>>>
>> >sub list username
>>
>>What can the listmaster do at this time : just manually subscribe that
>>person the way he usually subscribes people, or send back to the server =
a
>>part of the mail he receives as a shortcut to/reminder of the original
>>command?
>
>I would use remote administration via e-mail. Change
> sub list username
>to
> password subscribe address list username
>and send it off to autoshare@domain.
>
>There are no bells and whistles like with mail-backs or moderated posts.
>
>RFC822 header
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:44:49 +0200
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: AutoShare reports
I am doing some statistic I need for one of the lists I manage, and I
just want to ask, if I am counting the numers correctly...
I need the following numbers every week:
1) How many users got (anyhow) subscribed
2) How many users got (anyhow) unsubscribed
3) How many users had problems
4) How many users got unsubscribed automatically due to errors
5) How many users are currently subsribed
I am using numbers from weekly reports in the following formulas:
1) sub + Subscribe
2) unsub + Unsubscribe + deleted + Hard bounces
3) I don't know how to count this, but I would like to have the numbers...
4) deleted + Hard bounces
5) the same number from previous month + ad 1 - ad 2
I will be glad if some future version of AutoShare counts all this
for me, but for now I just need to know, if my formulas are correct.
Thanks
HOnza
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:38:20 +0200
From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Subject: Monthly Help files once again
Hi,
I have reported this problem already in the past.
I have 2 @ preference sets beside the default preference set.
I have a Month file for 1 list in the default preference set and 1
list in a @ preference set.
=46rom the Bounce account users get one month the Month message of the
list of the default pref set but not the other, the next month they
get 2 Month messages of the @pref set but no Month message of the
default set.
When I do a remote command to send the Month message to an email
address, that email address get the (correct) message.
At that time AutoShare sends the desired Month message.
=46or AutoShare is able to send 1 Month message at the right time, I
can't understand why it doesn't send all of them.
All Month files are real files (no aliases)
Thank you for your time and attention.
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