The autoshare-talk list archive ending on 31 Aug 2000
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. Re: Hard unsubscribe
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:43:14 -0700 (PDT)
2. Re: Hard unsubscribe
Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:37:20 -0700
3. Re: Hard unsubscribe
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:32:40 -0700
4. Re: Hard unsubscribe
Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:14:41 +0200
5. Re: Hard unsubscribe
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:00:54 -0700
6. Re: Hard unsubscribe
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:05:21 -0700
7. Re: Hard unsubscribe
Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:31:57 -0700
8. Re: Hard unsubscribe
Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:33:06 -0700
9. Re: Hard unsubscribe
Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:35:56 -0700
10. Re: Hard unsubscribe
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:22:50 -0700 (PDT)
11. Re: Hard unsubscribe
Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:51:25 +0200
12. new setup questions
Dave Pataky <pataky at cord.ubc dot ca>
Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:30:47 -0800
13. Re: new setup questions
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:00:32 -0700
14. Re: new setup questions
Dave Pataky <pataky at cord.ubc dot ca>
Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:12:04 -0700
15. Re: new setup questions
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:55:05 -0700
16. Re: new setup questions
Dave Pataky <pataky at cord.ubc dot ca>
Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:34:37 -0700
17. Re: Feature Requests...
KMF-MIS <mis at kubotametal dot com>
Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:45:17 -0400
18. Re: Feature Requests...
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:30:41 -0700
19. AutoShare 4.2.1b2
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:37:00 -0700
20. Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 5 Aug 2000
Alan Ordway <aordway at ai.uwf dot edu>
Mon, 07 Aug 2000 08:28:07 -0500
21. Vacation notice problem
Alan Ordway <aordway at ai.uwf dot edu>
Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:42:21 -0500
22. Relaying denied?
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:28:20 -0400
23. Re: Relaying denied?
HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:00:48 +0200
24. Edit subscriber error in Admin
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:00:23 +0800
25. Re: Edit subscriber error in Admin
Dave Pataky <pataky at cord.ubc dot ca>
Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:17:18 -0700
26. Re: Edit subscriber error in Admin
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:27:19 +0800
27. Autoshare and Webstar 4.2 Mail
Philip Lamb <phil at rave.co dot nz>
Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:22:13 +1200
28. Newbie in process extending
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:46:25 +0200
29. Problem - trying to test installation
Jared Tollefson <webmaster at CAMNETINC dot COM>
Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:37:31 -0700
30. Re: Problem - trying to test installation
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:33:08 +0800
31. Re: Problem - trying to test installation
Dave Pataky <pataky at cord.ubc dot ca>
Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:57:13 -0700
32. Re: Newbie in process extending
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:00:17 -0700
33. xml-archives?
"Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:30:48 +0200
34.
David Campbell <camps at joyworld dot com>
Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:07:48 +0900
35. Re:
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:23:18 -0700
36. Re: Autoshare doesn't work after EMIS 3.0.1 upgrade
David Campbell <camps at joyworld dot com>
Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:31:16 +0900
37. Re: Autoshare doesn't work after EMIS 3.0.1 upgrade
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:04:27 -0700
38. Re: Autoshare doesn't work after EMIS 3.0.1 upgrade
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:19:56 +0800
39. Re: Autoshare doesn't work after EMIS 3.0.1 upgrade
David Campbell <camps at joyworld dot com>
Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:23:10 +0900
40. Newbie in PE (2)
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:20:20 +0200
41. RE: Problem - trying to test installation
webmaster at camnetinc dot com
Tue, Aug 29 2000 9:35:52 GMT-0700
42. Re: Re: Problem - trying to test installation
webmaster at camnetinc dot com
Tue, Aug 29 2000 9:38:08 GMT-0700
43. Re: Re: Problem - trying to test installation
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
29 Aug 00 13:36:20 -0500
44. Re: Newbie in PE (2)
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:50:36 -0700
45. Re: Newbie in PE (2)
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:39:41 +0200
46. Newbie in PE (3 and maybe last)
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:20:05 +0200
47. Re: Newbie in PE (2)
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:51:38 -0700
48. Re: Newbie in PE (3 and maybe last)
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:55:12 -0700
49. Fwd: Unsubscribed (soft bounce)
Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:23:33 -0700
50. Reverse order of web archives?
"Charles L. Martin" <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:49:55 -0400
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:43:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Hard unsubscribe
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Giedo De Snijder wrote:
> I am running AutoShare 4.2 and since I am running this version a
> client is reporting me that he , as listmaster of a list under his
> domain, isn't informed any longer when there were unsubscriptions due
> to hard bounces:
> 1) no unsubscribed (hard bounce) messages from AutoShare which would
> tell him that name@domain has been subscribed from the X list due to
> a hard bounce
> 2) the Autoshare reports for that list don't give the information
> that there were unsubscriptions because of a hard bounce
Has anyone actually been unsubscribed due to hard bounces?
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:37:20 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Hard unsubscribe
At 11:43 AM -0700 on 7/28/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Giedo De Snijder wrote:
>
>> I am running AutoShare 4.2 and since I am running this version a
>> client is reporting me that he , as listmaster of a list under his
>> domain, isn't informed any longer when there were unsubscriptions due
>> to hard bounces:
>> 1) no unsubscribed (hard bounce) messages from AutoShare which would
>> tell him that name@domain has been subscribed from the X list due to
>> a hard bounce
>> 2) the Autoshare reports for that list don't give the information
>> that there were unsubscriptions because of a hard bounce
>
>Has anyone actually been unsubscribed due to hard bounces?
On this subject, I've always been reluctant to turn auto unsubscribe
on for my lists, but today I've gone ahead and taken that step.
In Autoshare Admin, under Preferences:Miscellaneous, I've changed the
bounce account e-mail to an account I setup on EIMS that saves mail
to the Bounce folder. I've turned Bounce "On". Is that pretty much
all I have to do?
Also, before the bounced e-mail came to the admin account so I could
see who was bouncing, and why, and then manually unsubscribe. With
the auto-unsubscribe on, will I still be able to see the actual
bounced messages? Where?
Thanks!
Bill
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:32:40 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Hard unsubscribe
At 13:37 -0700 7/28/2000, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>On this subject, I've always been reluctant to turn auto unsubscribe
>on for my lists, but today I've gone ahead and taken that step.
It may be added that if you have automated bounce handling activated,
you can still have hard bounces turned off by treating them as soft
bounces. In the Admin, Lists, Yet More List, Hard Unsubscribe.
>In Autoshare Admin, under Preferences:Miscellaneous, I've changed
>the bounce account e-mail to an account I setup on EIMS that saves
>mail to the Bounce folder. I've turned Bounce "On". Is that pretty
>much all I have to do?
I would say so (I hope I am not forgetting anything). The automated
bounce handling relies on a few already configured basic settings
(such as the bounce address) as well as a number of other settings
(whose default value are often fine).
>Also, before the bounced e-mail came to the admin account so I could
>see who was bouncing, and why, and then manually unsubscribe. With
>the auto-unsubscribe on, will I still be able to see the actual
>bounced messages? Where?
They'll be mailed to the listmaster.
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:14:41 +0200
From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Subject: Re: Hard unsubscribe
>On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Giedo De Snijder wrote:
>
>> I am running AutoShare 4.2 and since I am running this version a
>> client is reporting me that he , as listmaster of a list under his
>> domain, isn't informed any longer when there were unsubscriptions due
>> to hard bounces:
>> 1) no unsubscribed (hard bounce) messages from AutoShare which would
>> tell him that name@domain has been subscribed from the X list due to
>> a hard bounce
>> 2) the Autoshare reports for that list don't give the information
>> that there were unsubscriptions because of a hard bounce
>
>Has anyone actually been unsubscribed due to hard bounces?
Yes!
The client noticed it after a review command to AutoShare for that
list on the 24th of July and because he knew that the email address
of that subscriber would no longer be valid after 30 June, we are
pretty sure the subscriber was unsubscribed due to hard bounces.
But he never got any notice from AutoShare
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:00:54 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Hard unsubscribe
At 20:32 -0700 7/28/2000, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 13:37 -0700 7/28/2000, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>
>>With the auto-unsubscribe on, will I still be able to see the
>>actual bounced messages? Where?
>
>They'll be mailed to the listmaster.
I did some testing earlier this evening and was reminded that it is
different when a subscriber has been deleted due to a series of soft
bounces, in which case the mail to the listmaster describes what
happened, but does not include the actual bounce message. I probably
designed it that way originally, as the soft bounce mechanism
involves not one single bounce message, but several over time. This
has now been changed for 4.2.1b2, so that the last bounce message
appears in the mail sent to the listmaster.
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:05:21 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Hard unsubscribe
At 09:14 +0200 7/29/2000, Giedo De Snijder wrote:
>The client noticed it after a review command to AutoShare for that
>list on the 24th of July and because he knew that the email address
>of that subscriber would no longer be valid after 30 June, we are
>pretty sure the subscriber was unsubscribed due to hard bounces.
>But he never got any notice from AutoShare
As letters sometimes get lost in the mail, I would conduct a search
in the logs throughout the entire period of time in question. I have
checked the code, and there is just no way that a bounce unsubscribe
is not logged. Honestly!
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:31:57 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Hard unsubscribe
At 8:32 PM -0700 on 7/28/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 13:37 -0700 7/28/2000, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>
>>On this subject, I've always been reluctant to turn auto
>>unsubscribe on for my lists, but today I've gone ahead and taken
>>that step.
>
>It may be added that if you have automated bounce handling
>activated, you can still have hard bounces turned off by treating
>them as soft bounces. In the Admin, Lists, Yet More List, Hard
>Unsubscribe.
>
>>In Autoshare Admin, under Preferences:Miscellaneous, I've changed
>>the bounce account e-mail to an account I setup on EIMS that saves
>>mail to the Bounce folder. I've turned Bounce "On". Is that
>>pretty much all I have to do?
>
>I would say so (I hope I am not forgetting anything). The automated
>bounce handling relies on a few already configured basic settings
>(such as the bounce address) as well as a number of other settings
>(whose default value are often fine).
>
>>Also, before the bounced e-mail came to the admin account so I
>>could see who was bouncing, and why, and then manually unsubscribe.
>>With the auto-unsubscribe on, will I still be able to see the
>>actual bounced messages? Where?
>
>They'll be mailed to the listmaster.
Excellent. One last question regarding this subject... will the
listmaster be notified by e-mail when someone is auto-unsubscribed?
Or do they just disappear from the list? I assumed that I'd be
notified, but I figured I'd ask just to make sure. }:>
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:33:06 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Hard unsubscribe
At 1:00 AM -0700 on 7/29/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 20:32 -0700 7/28/2000, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>
>>At 13:37 -0700 7/28/2000, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>>
>>>With the auto-unsubscribe on, will I still be able to see the
>>>actual bounced messages? Where?
>>
>>They'll be mailed to the listmaster.
>
>I did some testing earlier this evening and was reminded that it is
>different when a subscriber has been deleted due to a series of soft
>bounces, in which case the mail to the listmaster describes what
>happened, but does not include the actual bounce message. I probably
>designed it that way originally, as the soft bounce mechanism
>involves not one single bounce message, but several over time. This
>has now been changed for 4.2.1b2, so that the last bounce message
>appears in the mail sent to the listmaster.
Thanks!
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:35:56 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Hard unsubscribe
At 1:05 AM -0700 on 7/29/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 09:14 +0200 7/29/2000, Giedo De Snijder wrote:
>
>>The client noticed it after a review command to AutoShare for that
>>list on the 24th of July and because he knew that the email
>>address of that subscriber would no longer be valid after 30 June,
>>we are pretty sure the subscriber was unsubscribed due to hard
>>bounces.
>>But he never got any notice from AutoShare
>
>As letters sometimes get lost in the mail, I would conduct a search
>in the logs throughout the entire period of time in question. I have
>checked the code, and there is just no way that a bounce unsubscribe
>is not logged. Honestly!
Curious. Giedo stated that "he", as in the person being
unsubscribed, never got any notice. I can see how the listmaster
would get a notice, but I assumed that the person being unsubscribed
would not be getting a notice (since they're being unsubscribed due
to troubles reaching them). Does Autoshare actually attempt to
e-mail the unsubscribee with a notification? (if so, it would seem
that that e-mail would bounce just like the mailing list e-mails did)
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:22:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Hard unsubscribe
On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Camelot Administrator wrote:
> Does Autoshare actually attempt to e-mail the unsubscribee with
> a notification?
No, just the listmaster will be e-mailed.
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:51:25 +0200
From: Giedo De Snijder <igiedsn at giedsn.eunet dot be>
Subject: Re: Hard unsubscribe
>At 1:05 AM -0700 on 7/29/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>
>>At 09:14 +0200 7/29/2000, Giedo De Snijder wrote:
>>
>>>The client noticed it after a review command to AutoShare for that
>>>list on the 24th of July and because he knew that the email
>>>address of that subscriber would no longer be valid after 30 June,
>>>we are pretty sure the subscriber was unsubscribed due to hard
>>>bounces.
>>>But he never got any notice from AutoShare
>>
>>As letters sometimes get lost in the mail, I would conduct a search
>>in the logs throughout the entire period of time in question. I
>>have checked the code, and there is just no way that a bounce
>>unsubscribe is not logged. Honestly!
>
>Curious. Giedo stated that "he", as in the person being
>unsubscribed, never got any notice. I can see how the listmaster
>would get a notice, but I assumed that the person being unsubscribed
>would not be getting a notice (since they're being unsubscribed due
>to troubles reaching them). Does Autoshare actually attempt to
>e-mail the unsubscribee with a notification? (if so, it would seem
>that that e-mail would bounce just like the mailing list e-mails did)
I didn't mean that the person being unsubscribed, never got any notice.
"he" is not supposed to get a notice and it would have no sense
because that message would be bounced to.
The "he" in my email, is my client who acts as listmaster of his own
list and gets the reports.
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:30:47 -0800
From: Dave Pataky <pataky at cord.ubc dot ca>
Subject: new setup questions
Hi Folks,
I've just set up autoshare, worked through the quick setup and everything
happened as advertised. I've set up my own test list now, and have a
couple of questions:
1. is it possible to turn off the "list ID" header? I've turned off the
other headers I didn't want by entering the string: 123456789 into the
admin application "suppress headers" section, but the list ID remains. i'm
setting up a private announcement list and would prefer not to clutter the
headers with unnecessary information.
2. where can i alter the text of the email that gets sent back to users
not allowd to post? something that could be done with resedit perhaps?
3. where does the program extract the "from" header from? it has stuck an
address in there (Request at my.server dot address) that doesn't exist, I don't
want to use it, and I'd rather set it to "info@my.server dot address.
4. is it possible to turn off the automatic mailing of logs? how?
5. this is minor: since this is a private list, i'm trying to keep the
addresses hidden and have chosen the appropriate settings in the admin app
(like Review: suppress names; Concealed: yes; Hide list: yes; address
protection: yes) but if a user queries their subscription, the program
returns: Conceal: NOCONCEAL. just don't want to panic anybody, because I
couldn't get the thing to reveal anyone's address on the list using the
commands available.
Thanks for any assistance!
Dave
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:00:32 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: new setup questions
At 17:30 -0800 8/2/2000, Dave Pataky wrote:
>Hi Folks,
Hello and welcome to the list.
>I've just set up autoshare, worked through the quick setup and everything
>happened as advertised. I've set up my own test list now, and have a
>couple of questions:
>
>1. is it possible to turn off the "list ID" header? I've turned off the
>other headers I didn't want by entering the string: 123456789 into the
>admin application "suppress headers" section, but the list ID remains. i'm
>setting up a private announcement list and would prefer not to clutter the
>headers with unnecessary information.
In the Admin when the balloon text for the title field runs out of
space, I tend to continue another balloon over the text field itself.
This second balloon lists List-Id as A.
>2. where can i alter the text of the email that gets sent back to users
>not allowd to post? something that could be done with resedit perhaps?
Although the language files are meant for translated text, you can
certainly also use it to change some text strings within the same
language.
>3. where does the program extract the "from" header from? it has stuck an
>address in there (Request at my.server dot address) that doesn't exist, I don't
>want to use it, and I'd rather set it to "info@my.server dot address.
It would appear that the RFC From address is different from the SMTP
envelope sender. You can change that at the sender end, or you can
tell AutoShare to use RFC To addresses for list subscriptions. There
is a checkbox in the Admin for that.
>4. is it possible to turn off the automatic mailing of logs? how?
I don't think it is supported as a built-in feature (you are the
first to ask this question!). You can probably script a solution.
>5. this is minor: since this is a private list, i'm trying to keep the
>addresses hidden and have chosen the appropriate settings in the admin app
>(like Review: suppress names; Concealed: yes; Hide list: yes; address
>protection: yes) but if a user queries their subscription, the program
>returns: Conceal: NOCONCEAL. just don't want to panic anybody, because I
>couldn't get the thing to reveal anyone's address on the list using the
>commands available.
Is your conceal setting general or list-specific? I can look into it
once I know.
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:12:04 -0700
From: Dave Pataky <pataky at cord.ubc dot ca>
Subject: Re: new setup questions
At 10:00 PM 8/2/00 -0700, you wrote:
>At 17:30 -0800 8/2/2000, Dave Pataky wrote:
>
>>Hi Folks,
>
>Hello and welcome to the list.
Thanks! By the way, kudos for putting together what seems to be a very
nice list server. (I wish I knew applescript a little better though...)
>>3. where does the program extract the "from" header from? it has stuck an
>>address in there (Request at my.server dot address) that doesn't exist, I don't
>>want to use it, and I'd rather set it to "info@my.server dot address.
>
>It would appear that the RFC From address is different from the SMTP
>envelope sender. You can change that at the sender end, or you can tell
>AutoShare to use RFC To addresses for list subscriptions. There is a
>checkbox in the Admin for that.
Hmmm, this still has me a little confused. I posted a test message to my
announcement list from one of the "moderator" addresses I set up. Since
the Announcement list won't allow posts from the subscribers, I added the
"c" token to the "list stuff" field and enabled posting for a couple of the
subscribers. The "from" address in the message that was broadcast to all
the subscribers had the string "Request@my.server dot address", which was not
the address I sent from, nor is it set anywhere in the admin app for any
list admin or other addresses. Seems to have appeared out of the
ether. I'll take a look for that checkbox though...
>>5. this is minor: since this is a private list, i'm trying to keep the
>>addresses hidden and have chosen the appropriate settings in the admin app
>>(like Review: suppress names; Concealed: yes; Hide list: yes; address
>>protection: yes) but if a user queries their subscription, the program
>>returns: Conceal: NOCONCEAL. just don't want to panic anybody, because I
>>couldn't get the thing to reveal anyone's address on the list using the
>>commands available.
>
>Is your conceal setting general or list-specific? I can look into it once
>I know.
The conceal setting is list-specific for my announce list.
I did notice one other thing, when I edit the list of subscribers directly
using Simpletext, and then go into the Admin app and try to manipulate the
subscriber properties, an error is returned as if the Admin app can no
longer access information about the subscribers. Shutting down Autoshare
and re-starting it seems to solve the problem though. (at least I hope it
will all the time, because I'll be maintaining the list of subscribers
outside the Autoshare app and will simply dump a new text file in before
broadcasting...)
Thanks for all your help on the other points, I found the str's to edit
appropriately, and sorry I missed the list ID header thing! Not being an
applescript guru, I'm dependent upon the Admin app but the log mailing
thing is not a big deal. I think I'll only have the program running around
the time when an announcement needs sending, the rest of the time I'll
probably shut it down anyway.
Thanks again,
Dave
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:55:05 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: new setup questions
At 12:12 -0700 8/3/2000, Dave Pataky wrote:
>Thanks! By the way, kudos for putting together what seems to be a
>very nice list server.
You're welcome!
>(I wish I knew applescript a little better though...)
Scripting is such a neat thing when administering a server. It's
amazing what you can do. The initial time you spent on getting to
know AppleScript pays off very quickly and just keeps doing so plus
you then know how to do it. My scripting page is at
<http:/www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/script/>
>Hmmm, this still has me a little confused. I posted a test message
>to my announcement list from one of the "moderator" addresses I set
>up. Since the Announcement list won't allow posts from the
>subscribers, I added the "c" token to the "list stuff" field and
>enabled posting for a couple of the subscribers. The "from" address
>in the message that was broadcast to all the subscribers had the
>string "Request@my.server dot address", which was not the address I sent
>from, nor is it set anywhere in the admin app for any list admin or
>other addresses. Seems to have appeared out of the ether. I'll
>take a look for that checkbox though...
I don't know where Request at my.server dot address comes from. Do you use
that for anything, or are you at all familiar with it? I would
suggest seartching for it in an analysis file, or you may also want
to look in a message file in the Filed Mail folder.
>>>5. this is minor: since this is a private list, i'm trying to keep the
>>>addresses hidden and have chosen the appropriate settings in the admin app
>>>(like Review: suppress names; Concealed: yes; Hide list: yes; address
>>>protection: yes) but if a user queries their subscription, the program
>>>returns: Conceal: NOCONCEAL. just don't want to panic anybody, because I
>>>couldn't get the thing to reveal anyone's address on the list using the
>>>commands available.
>>
>>Is your conceal setting general or list-specific? I can look into
>>it once I know.
>
>The conceal setting is list-specific for my announce list.
The conceal setting for a list means that anyone who subscribes in
the future will be set to concealed in the subscriber's settings.
This does not affect those who subscribed prior to changing the
setting for the list.
>I did notice one other thing, when I edit the list of subscribers
>directly using Simpletext, and then go into the Admin app and try to
>manipulate the subscriber properties, an error is returned as if the
>Admin app can no longer access information about the subscribers.
>Shutting down Autoshare and re-starting it seems to solve the
>problem though. (at least I hope it will all the time, because I'll
>be maintaining the list of subscribers outside the Autoshare app and
>will simply dump a new text file in before broadcasting...)
Editing a subscriber list file with an editor should not pose a
conflict, unless you do something like having the List window open in
the Admin or something. Caution in these kinds of matters is
advisable however. Editing a list file directly is also not
recommended, as the file must be sorted correctly.
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:34:37 -0700
From: Dave Pataky <pataky at cord.ubc dot ca>
Subject: Re: new setup questions
>
>I don't know where Request at my.server dot address comes from. Do you use that
>for anything, or are you at all familiar with it? I would suggest
>seartching for it in an analysis file, or you may also want to look in a
>message file in the Filed Mail folder.
Ok, I looked at this a little closer: I changed the list so that only the
list administrator can post (set in Admin as info at my dot server (my.server not
being the real name, but an illustration here), with the name "List
Administrator"). Then I set Eudora up with that ID and posted a message to
the list. The message that gets broadcast to the list has these headers:
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:24:01 -0800
Reply-To: info at my dot server
Errors-To: bounce at my dot server
Precedence: bulk
List-Software: AutoShare 4.2 by Mikael Hansen
To: listname at my dot server (Subscribers of listname)
From: List Administrator <Request at my dot server>
Subject: We need specify a subject for the news post
The address of the (non-list) Administrator is also info at my dot server, in fact
I put that address everywhere one was requested (except for the bounce
account of course, which is bounce at my dot server). The account
Request at my dot server doesn't exist, I've never entered it into any of the
Admin app settings, I really have no idea where it is coming from. There
is no EIMS account by that name either. Is there any default setting that
perhaps I need to change, where in the absence of any input the program
uses the account "Request"?
>The conceal setting for a list means that anyone who subscribes in the
>future will be set to concealed in the subscriber's settings. This does
>not affect those who subscribed prior to changing the setting for the list.
Ah, ok. Though the list settings conceal the addresses anyway, so no
worries there.
>>I did notice one other thing, when I edit the list of subscribers
>>directly using Simpletext, and then go into the Admin app and try to
>>manipulate the subscriber properties, an error is returned as if the
>>Admin app can no longer access information about the subscribers.
>>Shutting down Autoshare and re-starting it seems to solve the problem
>>though. (at least I hope it will all the time, because I'll be
>>maintaining the list of subscribers outside the Autoshare app and will
>>simply dump a new text file in before broadcasting...)
>
>Editing a subscriber list file with an editor should not pose a conflict,
>unless you do something like having the List window open in the Admin or
>something. Caution in these kinds of matters is advisable however. Editing
>a list file directly is also not recommended, as the file must be sorted
>correctly.
That must be it, I noticed that with a longer subscriber list the Autoshare
status window briefly flashes "sorting subscriber list" or something like
that on start-up. This is after adding a new list edited outside the
program. Is there a way to sort the list without shutting down the
software? Not a big deal, as I imagine most of the time it won't be
running anyway until I add an updated list for a broadcast. Broadcasts to
the list will be very infrequent anyway.
Thanks again for your help,
Dave
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:45:17 -0400
From: KMF-MIS <mis at kubotametal dot com>
Subject: Re: Feature Requests...
At 3:56 PM -0700 8/2/2000, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 15:27 -0700 8/2/2000, Eric Kopf wrote:
>
>>User-managed vacation messages
>>Over the summer I spend a lot of time getting vacation message
>>requests from users. I have to get their text, then use AutoShare
>>to manage the hole process which is a bit cumbersome, and I have
>>better things to do than turn vacation messages on and off.
>>Qualcomm has a WindowsNT-based mail server app called "WorldMail"
>>which has vacation message capability built in. I believe that
>>WorldMail users can manage their account settings via a web
>>interface. I wish EIMS could do that!
>
>I think I once wrote an AppleScript for EIMS and AutoShare, so that
>the users themselves via e-mail can turn on and off vacation notices
>as well as update the vacation notice text. The script is in the
>AutoShare package.
Does the script also clear that user's filter file?
>Ethan Wilde's book entitled AppleScript for the Internet is recommended.
>
>>Multiple mail actions
>>I wish more than one mail action could be set for an account. Even
>>if it could handle just two mail actions instead of one, it would
>>make my life easier...
>
>Definitely. (Glenn knows...)
_____________________________________________________________
MIS Department <mailto:mis at kubotametal dot com>
Kubota Metal Corporation (705) 325-2781 x322
25 Commerce Road Fax (705) 325-5887
Orillia, Ontario L3V 6L6 <http://www.kubotametal.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:30:41 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Feature Requests...
At 08:45 -0400 8/4/2000, KMF-MIS wrote:
>Does the script also clear that user's filter file?
The script in question, the process extender entitled Vacation of
type Before Processing, is brief because it uses the AutoShare
AppleScript command entitled SetFilters, which offers various
built-in functionality in that respect. This AppleScript command
offers a boolean property entitled Clear, so that the user's filter
file may optionally be cleared.
I'm running drastically low on time, as I'm taking off this morning
on a vacation of my own for a few weeks, so I have only had a brief
moment (shame on me!) to glance through Alan Ordway's CGI vacation
script recently announced on the EIMS list, but it appears that the
script doesn't use any AutoShare AppleScript commands and instead
accesses the document files directly.
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:37:00 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 4.2.1b2
4.2.1b2 has been uploaded. A Read Me First document outlines the details.
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>
Also, I'll be on vacation the next few weeks :-)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 08:28:07 -0500
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 5 Aug 2000
From: Alan Ordway <aordway at ai.uwf dot edu>
I have written a script to work with EIMS and AutoShare to allow users to
set vacation messages. It is now available at
http://www.usmac.net/eims/vacate.shtml
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UWF Cognition Institute
850.202.4455
> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:45:17 -0400
> From: KMF-MIS <mis at kubotametal dot com>
> Subject: Re: Feature Requests...
>
> At 3:56 PM -0700 8/2/2000, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>> At 15:27 -0700 8/2/2000, Eric Kopf wrote:
>>
>>> User-managed vacation messages
>>> Over the summer I spend a lot of time getting vacation message
>>> requests from users. I have to get their text, then use AutoShare
>>> to manage the hole process which is a bit cumbersome, and I have
>>> better things to do than turn vacation messages on and off.
>>> Qualcomm has a WindowsNT-based mail server app called "WorldMail"
>>> which has vacation message capability built in. I believe that
>>> WorldMail users can manage their account settings via a web
>>> interface. I wish EIMS could do that!
>>
>> I think I once wrote an AppleScript for EIMS and AutoShare, so that
>> the users themselves via e-mail can turn on and off vacation notices
>> as well as update the vacation notice text. The script is in the
>> AutoShare package.
>
> Does the script also clear that user's filter file?
>
>> Ethan Wilde's book entitled AppleScript for the Internet is recommended.
>>
>>> Multiple mail actions
>>> I wish more than one mail action could be set for an account. Even
>>> if it could handle just two mail actions instead of one, it would
>>> make my life easier...
>>
>> Definitely. (Glenn knows...)
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> MIS Department <mailto:mis at kubotametal dot com>
> Kubota Metal Corporation (705) 325-2781 x322
> 25 Commerce Road Fax (705) 325-5887
> Orillia, Ontario L3V 6L6 <http://www.kubotametal.com>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:42:21 -0500
Subject: Vacation notice problem
From: Alan Ordway <aordway at ai.uwf dot edu>
I am having a problem with the vacation notice feature. I have made a filter
file that contains the following:
Precedence: bulk
Precedence: list
*****
yet, a vacation notice is being sent back to some lists. I have checked to
make sure that the mail from list does have "Precedence: bulk" in the
headers and it does. Any ideas what could be causing vacation notices to be
sent to the list?
P.S.
Mail is being sent only one time to people.
Here are the list headers.
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> X-Sender: dshamma at ns.coginst.uwf dot edu (Unverified)
> Message-Id: <p04320408b5b3563dffd9 at [204.214.21 dot 194]>
> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 11:11:55 -0700
> To: cmapdev-l at ai.uwf dot edu
> From: David Ayman Shamma <dshamma at ai.uwf dot edu>
> Subject: [CMAPDEV-L] Fwd: DeleteFilePlease
> Cc: Roger William Carff <rcarff at ai.uwf dot edu>,
> Alberto =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cañas?= <acanas at ai.uwf dot edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
> Sender: owner-cmapdev-l at nebula.coginst.uwf dot edu
> Precedence: bulk
--
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UWF Cognition Institute
850.202.4455
Subject: Relaying denied?
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:28:20 -0400
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
I have gotten a large number of users unsubscribed with an error like
this:
> The following message could not be sent because the address
'jimroth at dcwi dot com' was rejected by host 'dcwi.com'.
> 550 <jimroth at dcwi dot com>... Relaying denied
Is this due to something I have set up improperly in EIMS? AutoShare?
Neither?
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
123 N. McDonough St.
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116, FAX 801-881-1246
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:00:48 +0200
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Relaying denied?
>I have gotten a large number of users unsubscribed with an error like
>this:
>
>> The following message could not be sent because the address
>'jimroth at dcwi dot com' was rejected by host 'dcwi.com'.
>> 550 <jimroth at dcwi dot com>... Relaying denied
>
>Is this due to something I have set up improperly in EIMS? AutoShare?
>Neither?
Check the information on the following address:
http://www.orbs.org/
HOnza
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:00:23 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Edit subscriber error in Admin
I have several lists that have been running well for years.
Currently, I'm running AutoShare 4.2 and EIMS 3.0.
I created a new list with around 15 subscribers but I am getting the
following error when double-clicking any subscriber (actually the
first and last subscribers are OK, correctly opening the Subscriber
window) in the AutoShare Admin app (Configuration->Lists):
An error occured while executing the script of <<class LIST>>
"subscribers":Can't get <<class cNme>> of {}. (-1728)
Please let me know how I can fix this.
Thanks for your time and any assistance!
Cheers,
Derek Tom
BBDO Asia Pacific, Hong Kong
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:17:18 -0700
From: Dave Pataky <pataky at cord.ubc dot ca>
Subject: Re: Edit subscriber error in Admin
Hi Derek,
I've just set up Autoshare myself, and though I'm no expert, I did
encounter your same error. What fixed it for me was to re-start Autoshare,
and it then sorts through all the subscriber lists, placing the addresses
in the correct order (alphabetical by domain). Then no more error! Worked
for me,
Dave
At 12:00 PM 8/16/00 +0800, you wrote:
>I have several lists that have been running well for years. Currently, I'm
>running AutoShare 4.2 and EIMS 3.0.
>
>I created a new list with around 15 subscribers but I am getting the
>following error when double-clicking any subscriber (actually the first
>and last subscribers are OK, correctly opening the Subscriber window) in
>the AutoShare Admin app (Configuration->Lists):
>
>An error occured while executing the script of <<class LIST>>
>"subscribers":Can't get <<class cNme>> of {}. (-1728)
>
>Please let me know how I can fix this.
>
>Thanks for your time and any assistance!
>
>Cheers,
>Derek Tom
>BBDO Asia Pacific, Hong Kong
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:27:19 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Edit subscriber error in Admin
Dear Dave,
That did the trick for me as well!!
Thanks VERY much for your suggestion. I suppose I should have tried
that myself before I posted to this list... But then again, that's
the beauty of a mailing list such as this! ;) Hooray for AutoShare
and people like you!
Take care!
Cheers,
Derek
At 10:17 PM -0700 8/15/00, Dave Pataky wrote:
>Hi Derek,
>
>I've just set up Autoshare myself, and though I'm no expert, I did
>encounter your same error. What fixed it for me was to re-start
>Autoshare, and it then sorts through all the subscriber lists,
>placing the addresses in the correct order (alphabetical by domain).
>Then no more error! Worked for me,
>Dave
>
>At 12:00 PM 8/16/00 +0800, you wrote:
>>I have several lists that have been running well for years.
>>Currently, I'm running AutoShare 4.2 and EIMS 3.0.
>>
>>I created a new list with around 15 subscribers but I am getting
>>the following error when double-clicking any subscriber (actually
>>the first and last subscribers are OK, correctly opening the
>>Subscriber window) in the AutoShare Admin app
>>(Configuration->Lists):
>>
>>An error occured while executing the script of <<class LIST>>
>>"subscribers":Can't get <<class cNme>> of {}. (-1728)
>>
>>Please let me know how I can fix this.
>>
>>Thanks for your time and any assistance!
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Derek Tom
>>BBDO Asia Pacific, Hong Kong
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:22:13 +1200
From: Philip Lamb <phil at rave.co dot nz>
Subject: Autoshare and Webstar 4.2 Mail
Hi,
Has anyone managed to get Autoshare working with Webstar 4.2 Mail? Webstar
Mail allows for forwarding to a list of addresses contained in a disk file,
so it seems that that mechanism would work at least. The tricky part might
be setting up the submitted mail and incoming mail folders, and getting the
envelope stuff in the correct resource fields. Anyone think of anything
that might fill the gap?
Phil.
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:46:25 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Newbie in process extending
Hello,
I'm just entering the wonderful world of process extending...
In the list of parameters, is there a difference between items 5 and 12, 6
and 13?
Thanks,
Serge
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:37:31 -0700
From: Jared Tollefson <webmaster at CAMNETINC dot COM>
Subject: Problem - trying to test installation
Hi, I'm brand new to the list. I have Autoshare 4.2 and EIMS 2.22
running on system 8.0 on a PowerMAC 7200 (90MhZ). The EIMS seems to be
running correctly and I receive into each of the accounts properly,
autoshare processes and puts the mail into the "incoming mail" folder
from the "filed mail" folder, but EIMS does not send the outbound
messages. I have checked each of the logs and the Sutoshare log seems to
indicate that the message is sent. The EIMS has no record of it,
however. Is there some setting for specifying the mail server IP or an
outbound mail configuration? It is perplexing that I am getting inbound
but not outbound mail.
Can anyone help me out there?
Thanks,
Jared
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:33:08 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Problem - trying to test installation
At 01:37 PM 8/18/00 -0700, Jared Tollefson wrote:
>Hi, I'm brand new to the list. I have Autoshare 4.2 and EIMS 2.22
>running on system 8.0 on a PowerMAC 7200 (90MhZ). The EIMS seems to be
>running correctly and I receive into each of the accounts properly,
>autoshare processes and puts the mail into the "incoming mail" folder
>from the "filed mail" folder, but EIMS does not send the outbound
>messages. I have checked each of the logs and the Sutoshare log seems to
>indicate that the message is sent. The EIMS has no record of it,
>however. Is there some setting for specifying the mail server IP or an
>outbound mail configuration? It is perplexing that I am getting inbound
>but not outbound mail.
>
>Can anyone help me out there?
Hi Jared,
Although this sounds like it wouldn't work, it worked for me at least
twice: Simply rebuild the desktop database file on the server. I used
TechTool to help me do this cleanly (rebuilding the database from scratch
rather than from the backup database). Of course, you'll have to take your
server offline for about 5-10 minutes in order to do this.
Please let me know if it works for you.
Cheers,
Derek Tom
BBDO Asia Pacific, Hong Kong
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:57:13 -0700
From: Dave Pataky <pataky at cord.ubc dot ca>
Subject: Re: Problem - trying to test installation
Hi Jared, I had this same problem with the same system setup when I first
set up autoshare (I think I had all the problems when setting up
autoshare...;) ) and am almost embarrassed to say what caused it: during
the course of my EIMS upgrading (I've been using it since AIMS), I've made
backup folders containing all my EIMS stuff (mailboxes etc). I found out
after a little head scratching that I was actually sending all the outgoing
Autoshare mail to the wrong EIMS incoming mail folder. Might want to check
that...
Dave
At 01:37 PM 8/18/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi, I'm brand new to the list. I have Autoshare 4.2 and EIMS 2.22
>running on system 8.0 on a PowerMAC 7200 (90MhZ). The EIMS seems to be
>running correctly and I receive into each of the accounts properly,
>autoshare processes and puts the mail into the "incoming mail" folder
>from the "filed mail" folder, but EIMS does not send the outbound
>messages. I have checked each of the logs and the Sutoshare log seems to
>indicate that the message is sent. The EIMS has no record of it,
>however. Is there some setting for specifying the mail server IP or an
>outbound mail configuration? It is perplexing that I am getting inbound
>but not outbound mail.
>
>Can anyone help me out there?
>
>Thanks,
>Jared
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:00:17 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Newbie in process extending
At 16:46 +0200 8/17/2000, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>I'm just entering the wonderful world of process extending...
>In the list of parameters, is there a difference between items 5 and 12, 6
>and 13?
For "From: a b <a@b>", item 5 is "a b <a@b>", while item 12 is just "a@b".
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:30:48 +0200
Subject: xml-archives?
From: "Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
Hello
I really like the automated HTML list-archive a lot. My problem is that the
output doesn't quite fit into our website-design. I thought of parsing the
html and/or text-files and "reconstructing" the archives together with the
altered layout. Then came -- thanks to all the hype ;-) -- xml to my mind.
Maybe something like:
<message id="message_id">
<date>RFC-date</date>
<from>RFC-from</from>
<subject>RFC-subject</subject >
<message_body>
Email-Body here ...
</message_body>
</message>
which would allow xml processing and/or xsl-transformation as an easy way to
"produce" your "own" html output
Do you consider making the archives available in XML-format?
Pascal
BTW: AutoShare running faultlessly for several months. Thanks!
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:07:48 +0900
From: David Campbell <camps at joyworld dot com>
I have recently upgraded to EMIS 3 and now my Autoshare lists don't
seem to be working. Any ideas where I should look to solve the
problem?
David
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:23:18 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re:
At 12:07 +0900 8/24/2000, David Campbell wrote:
>I have recently upgraded to EMIS 3 and now my Autoshare lists don't
>seem to be working. Any ideas where I should look to solve the
>problem?
There's a bug in EIMS 3.0 that has been fixed in 3.0.1.
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:31:16 +0900
From: David Campbell <camps at joyworld dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare doesn't work after EMIS 3.0.1 upgrade
>At 12:07 +0900 8/24/2000, David Campbell wrote:
>
>>I have recently upgraded to EMIS 3 and now my Autoshare lists don't
>>seem to be working. Any ideas where I should look to solve the
>>problem?
>
>There's a bug in EIMS 3.0 that has been fixed in 3.0.1.
Sorry, I should have mentioned that I have also upgraded using the
patch that you can download from the Eudora site. The strange thing
is that I have have 5 lists and one of them seems to be working.
David
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:04:27 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare doesn't work after EMIS 3.0.1 upgrade
At 15:31 +0900 8/24/2000, David Campbell wrote:
>>At 12:07 +0900 8/24/2000, David Campbell wrote:
>>
>>>I have recently upgraded to EMIS 3 and now my Autoshare lists
>>>don't seem to be working. Any ideas where I should look to solve
>>>the problem?
>>
>>There's a bug in EIMS 3.0 that has been fixed in 3.0.1.
>Sorry, I should have mentioned that I have also upgraded using the
>patch that you can download from the Eudora site. The strange thing
>is that I have have 5 lists and one of them seems to be working.
If you have upgraded from EIMS 2.x, I can't think of another
suggestion. If you have upgraded from the freeware version, then the
Incoming Mail folder has been moved from the System folder to inside
the EIMS application folder. To what extent do your lists not work,
e.g. do message files arrive in the Filed Mail folder, are they
processed fine, and is EIMS working properly otherwise?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:19:56 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Autoshare doesn't work after EMIS 3.0.1 upgrade
>>At 12:07 +0900 8/24/2000, David Campbell wrote:
>>
>>>I have recently upgraded to EMIS 3 and now my Autoshare lists
>>>don't seem to be working. Any ideas where I should look to solve
>>>the problem?
>>
>>There's a bug in EIMS 3.0 that has been fixed in 3.0.1.
>Sorry, I should have mentioned that I have also upgraded using the
>patch that you can download from the Eudora site. The strange thing
>is that I have have 5 lists and one of them seems to be working.
Have you tried rebuilding the Mac's desktop database file? For me,
that often fixed problems like what you've described. I use TechTool
to easily rebuild the desktop DB.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Derek Tom
BBDO Asia Pacific, Hong Kong
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:23:10 +0900
From: David Campbell <camps at joyworld dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare doesn't work after EMIS 3.0.1 upgrade
Every thing seems to be working now. I think the problem may have
been that I didn't restart AutoShare after upgrading EMIS. I don't
know why that would be a problem, but everything is working now.
Thanks for the help.
>>>At 12:07 +0900 8/24/2000, David Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have recently upgraded to EMIS 3 and now my Autoshare lists
>>>>don't seem to be working. Any ideas where I should look to solve
>>>>the problem?
>>>
>>>There's a bug in EIMS 3.0 that has been fixed in 3.0.1.
>>Sorry, I should have mentioned that I have also upgraded using the
>>patch that you can download from the Eudora site. The strange thing
>>is that I have have 5 lists and one of them seems to be working.
>
>
>Have you tried rebuilding the Mac's desktop database file? For me,
>that often fixed problems like what you've described. I use TechTool
>to easily rebuild the desktop DB.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Cheers,
>Derek Tom
>BBDO Asia Pacific, Hong Kong
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:20:20 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Newbie in PE (2)
Hello, and thanks Mikael for your last answer.
I have other questions about PEs.
First, I finally switched to 4.2, while retaining the old 'on <<event
Au...' calls. The first call to the 'Before Processing' PE produces the
following lines in the log :
>(..) Process extender Before Processing started up
>(..) Process extender Before Processing (AuBP, aUBP) called
>(..) Handler for (AuBP, aUBP) not found
Is this something I should worry about, do I really need to go the osax way?
Second, I need an advice on how to do the following thing. I would like the
PE to check, upon subscribing to list A, that the requester is not already
subscribed to list B, and vice-versa. Ie, if he is subscribed to A,
unsubscribe him to B etc.
There are 2 issues here :
- sending a request to know where the subscriber is
- eventually, unsubscribe him from a list
Is it possible to do it in a single script? I know that there would need to
use special techniques - 'ignoring application response' for example -
since the PE cannot send apple events back to the AutoShare app that
triggered it.
If it's not possible, I've thought of writing 'fake' requests as text files
placed directly in the submitted folder.
Thanks,
Serge
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From: webmaster at camnetinc dot com
Subject: RE: Problem - trying to test installation
Date: Tue, Aug 29 2000 9:35:52 GMT-0700
Thanks Derek. I tried rebuilding the desktop file, but I do not have access to TechTool... It didn't work. Is it necessary for me to use TechTool in order for it to work? I just did it the normal way (holding down option-apple key when it reboots). Can yo
u give me insight, or should I try and get TechTool.
Thanks,
Jared
-----Original Message-----
From: Derek Tom [SMTP:derek at bbdo.com dot hk]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 8:33 PM
To: Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk
Subject: Re: Problem - trying to test installation
At 01:37 PM 8/18/00 -0700, Jared Tollefson wrote:
>Hi, I'm brand new to the list. I have Autoshare 4.2 and EIMS 2.22
>running on system 8.0 on a PowerMAC 7200 (90MhZ). The EIMS seems to be
>running correctly and I receive into each of the accounts properly,
>autoshare processes and puts the mail into the "incoming mail" folder
>from the "filed mail" folder, but EIMS does not send the outbound
>messages. I have checked each of the logs and the Sutoshare log seems to
>indicate that the message is sent. The EIMS has no record of it,
>however. Is there some setting for specifying the mail server IP or an
>outbound mail configuration? It is perplexing that I am getting inbound
>but not outbound mail.
>
>Can anyone help me out there?
Hi Jared,
Although this sounds like it wouldn't work, it worked for me at least twice: Simply rebuild the desktop database file on the server. I used TechTool to help me do this cleanly (rebuilding the database from scratch rather than from the backup database). Of
course, you'll have to take your
server offline for about 5-10 minutes in order to do this.
From: webmaster at camnetinc dot com
Subject: Re: Re: Problem - trying to test installation
Date: Tue, Aug 29 2000 9:38:08 GMT-0700
Thanks Dave, I checked the folders as you indicated. They all seem to be directed at the correct places. The settings for AutoShare are EXACTLY as in the example in the documentation.
Where do you check (in EIMS) to see what the "correct EIMS incoming mail folder?" Is that a general setting? Or configurable? It seems, the more I think about it, the more likely that you have struck upon the right idea... However, I have no idea where EI
MS is picking this mail up from...
Any help is appreciated!
Thanks,
Jared
>
>From: Dave Pataky <pataky at cord.ubc dot ca>
>Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:57:13 -0700
>To: autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org (Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk)
>Subject: Re: Problem - trying to test installation
>
>Hi Jared, I had this same problem with the same system setup when I first
>set up autoshare (I think I had all the problems when setting up
>autoshare...;) ) and am almost embarrassed to say what caused it: during
>the course of my EIMS upgrading (I've been using it since AIMS), I've made
>backup folders containing all my EIMS stuff (mailboxes etc). I found out
>after a little head scratching that I was actually sending all the outgoing
>Autoshare mail to the wrong EIMS incoming mail folder. Might want to check
>that...
>Dave
>
>At 01:37 PM 8/18/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi, I'm brand new to the list. I have Autoshare 4.2 and EIMS 2.22
>>running on system 8.0 on a PowerMAC 7200 (90MhZ). The EIMS seems to be
>>running correctly and I receive into each of the accounts properly,
>>autoshare processes and puts the mail into the "incoming mail" folder
>>from the "filed mail" folder, but EIMS does not send the outbound
>>messages. I have checked each of the logs and the Sutoshare log seems to
>>indicate that the message is sent. The EIMS has no record of it,
>>however. Is there some setting for specifying the mail server IP or an
>>outbound mail configuration? It is perplexing that I am getting inbound
>>but not outbound mail.
>>
>>Can anyone help me out there?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jared
>
>
Date: 29 Aug 00 13:36:20 -0500
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Re: Problem - trying to test installation
Reply to: Re: Re: Problem - trying to test installation
Did you type in the settings or choose them using the administrator? I =
seem to recall some issues with whether the location needs to have a colon =
at the end. That can cause the problem you describe.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======
webmaster wrote:
>Thanks Dave, I checked the folders as you indicated. They all seem to be =
>directed at the correct places. The settings for AutoShare are EXACTLY as =
in the =
>example in the documentation.
>
>Where do you check (in EIMS) to see what the "correct EIMS incoming mail =
>folder?" Is that a general setting? Or configurable? It seems, the more I =
think =
>about it, the more likely that you have struck upon the right idea... =
However, I =
>have no idea where EI
>MS is picking this mail up from...
>
>Any help is appreciated!
>
>Thanks,
>Jared
>
>>
>>From: Dave Pataky <pataky at cord.ubc dot ca>
>>Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:57:13 -0700
>>To: autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org (Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk)
>>Subject: Re: Problem - trying to test installation
>>
>>Hi Jared, I had this same problem with the same system setup when I =
first =
>>set up autoshare (I think I had all the problems when setting up =
>>autoshare...;) ) and am almost embarrassed to say what caused it: =
during =
>>the course of my EIMS upgrading (I've been using it since AIMS), I've =
made =
>>backup folders containing all my EIMS stuff (mailboxes etc). I found =
out =
>>after a little head scratching that I was actually sending all the =
outgoing =
>>Autoshare mail to the wrong EIMS incoming mail folder. Might want to =
check =
>>that...
>>Dave
>>
>>At 01:37 PM 8/18/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>>Hi, I'm brand new to the list. I have Autoshare 4.2 and EIMS 2.22
>>>running on system 8.0 on a PowerMAC 7200 (90MhZ). The EIMS seems to be
>>>running correctly and I receive into each of the accounts properly,
>>>autoshare processes and puts the mail into the "incoming mail" folder
>>>from the "filed mail" folder, but EIMS does not send the outbound
>>>messages. I have checked each of the logs and the Sutoshare log seems =
to
>>>indicate that the message is sent. The EIMS has no record of it,
>>>however. Is there some setting for specifying the mail server IP or an
>>>outbound mail configuration? It is perplexing that I am getting inbound
>>>but not outbound mail.
>>>
>>>Can anyone help me out there?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Jared
>>
>>
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:50:36 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Newbie in PE (2)
At 16:20 +0200 8/28/2000, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>First, I finally switched to 4.2, while retaining the old 'on <<event
>Au...' calls. The first call to the 'Before Processing' PE produces the
>following lines in the log :
>
>>(..) Process extender Before Processing started up
>
>>(..) Process extender Before Processing (AuBP, aUBP) called
>>(..) Handler for (AuBP, aUBP) not found
>
>Is this something I should worry about, do I really need to go the osax way?
No, you do not need to install the osax, which merely offers easier
handler names. You should however worry about a handler not found
because the handler, aka the subroutine, is doing all the work within
the process extender, which then means that nothing is being done.
>Second, I need an advice on how to do the following thing. I would like the
>PE to check, upon subscribing to list A, that the requester is not already
>subscribed to list B, and vice-versa. Ie, if he is subscribed to A,
>unsubscribe him to B etc.
>There are 2 issues here :
>- sending a request to know where the subscriber is
>- eventually, unsubscribe him from a list
>Is it possible to do it in a single script?
Yes.
>I know that there would need to use special techniques - 'ignoring
>application response' for example - since the PE cannot send apple
>events back to the AutoShare app that triggered it.
It wasn't possible, and then it was. That was a long time ago.
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:39:41 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: Newbie in PE (2)
At 21:50 +0200 29/08/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>>>(..) Process extender Before Processing started up
>>
>>>(..) Process extender Before Processing (AuBP, aUBP) called
>>>(..) Handler for (AuBP, aUBP) not found
>No, you do not need to install the osax, which merely offers easier
>handler names. You should however worry about a handler not found
>because the handler, aka the subroutine, is doing all the work within
>the process extender, which then means that nothing is being done.
I can say you that the work _is_ done :)
The PE is a stay-open app. It includes 3 handlers: 'idle', 'run', and
'event...'
The previous lines appear only when the app is open. Subsequent calls don't
produce them, and actual calls to the 'event...' handler are succesfuly
resolved, ie the handler _is_ being executed.
>>I know that there would need to use special techniques - 'ignoring
>>application response' for example - since the PE cannot send apple
>>events back to the AutoShare app that triggered it.
>It wasn't possible, and then it was. That was a long time ago.
Thanks. I was relying on the doc part about the 'Write Log' sample in the
'Before Processing' samples folder. I may need to read it more carefully
and do my own tests.
Thanks again,
Serge
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:20:05 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Newbie in PE (3 and maybe last)
Hi again,
I think I found the reason my PE was not working correctly. When it was
first launched by AutoShare, the apple event sent was not 'on event...' but
only 'idle'.
So my question is, do the PEs have to be left always opened?
Serge
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:51:38 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Newbie in PE (2)
At 13:39 +0200 8/30/2000, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>I can say you that the work _is_ done :)
>The PE is a stay-open app. It includes 3 handlers: 'idle', 'run', and
>'event...'
>The previous lines appear only when the app is open. Subsequent calls don't
>produce them, and actual calls to the 'event...' handler are succesfuly
>resolved, ie the handler _is_ being executed.
In any event, you do need this handler :-)
on «event AuBPaUBP» (aList)
end «event AuBPaUBP»
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:55:12 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Newbie in PE (3 and maybe last)
Re: Newbie in PE (3 and maybe
last)
At 17:20 +0200 8/30/2000, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
I think I found the reason my PE was not
working correctly. When it was
first launched by AutoShare, the apple event sent was not 'on
event...' but
only 'idle'.
So my question is, do the PEs have to be
left always opened?
No, but do note this from the 4.2.1 beta:
-A bug has been fixed, which would
prevent an Apple event from
being sent correctly when the process extender AppleScript
application needed to be launched at the same
time
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:23:33 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Fwd: Unsubscribed (soft bounce)
Hi all,
To follow up on an old thread I started awhile back, the following
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hard bounce, I get the entire bounce message and can see what the
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tell me anything helpful except that the e-mail was unsubscribed.
Is there any chance of improving this? Is there something I can do
to get more information?
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Subject: Reverse order of web archives?
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:49:55 -0400
From: "Charles L. Martin" <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Is there any way to have a web archive for a particular list show
messages in reverse order? I want to use an Announcements list to send
notices to subscribers, and to have the announcements show on a web page
with the most recent one on top. I saw nothing in the documentation, but
thought I would ask before I tried working out another solution (not that
I have a clue how I might do that).
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