The autoshare-talk list archive ending on 28 Sep 2000
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. Re: Fwd: Unsubscribed (soft bounce)
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:43:01 -0700
2. Re: Reverse order of web archives?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:45:48 -0700
3. Re: Reverse order of web archives?
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:36:17 -0400
4. Autoshare web subscription interface
Andrew Starr <atstarr at negia dot net>
Sun, 3 Sep 2000 21:05:57 -0500
5. File format in filed mail folder
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:41:33 +0200
6. Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Chris Freemesser <chris at cvs.rochester dot edu>
Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:54:43 -0400
7. RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
05 Sep 00 13:21:30 -0500
8. Re: File format in filed mail folder
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:28:34 -0700
9. RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:10:12 -0400
10. RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
05 Sep 00 17:48:10 -0500
11. Re: File format in filed mail folder
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:52:25 +0200
12. RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Chris Freemesser <chris at cvs.rochester dot edu>
Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:55:43 -0400
13. RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:57:15 -0400
14. RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Chris Freemesser <chris at cvs.rochester dot edu>
Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:52:54 -0400
15. Re: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Jon Gardner <jon at food.tamu dot edu>
Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:07:09 -0500
16. Re: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:43:25 -0700
17. Auto-response token
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:55:46 +0200
18. Re: Auto-response token
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:11:00 -0700
19. Relay restrictions
Andy Alm <aalm at igc dot org>
Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:18:54 -0700
20. /=redirect token - strayLFs
Charlie Swiszcz <cjs at mcad dot edu>
Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:56:59 -0500
21. Re: Relaying denied?
Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:51:20 -0700
22. Use Phrase Instead of Comment
Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:14:49 -0700
23. A crashing loop with process extenders
Serge Belleudy d'Espinose <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:39:10 +0200
24. Re: Auto-response token
Serge Belleudy d'Espinose <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:16:46 +0200
25. Re: Use Phrase Instead of Comment
HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:56:52 +0200
26. Re: Use Phrase Instead of Comment
Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:08:23 -0700
27. Re: Use Phrase Instead of Comment
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:43:36 -0700
28. Re: A crashing loop with process extenders
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:42:37 -0700
29. Re: Use Phrase Instead of Comment
Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:32:02 -0700
30. Easier Confirmation
Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:36:05 -0700
31. Questions from a Macjordomo user
Owen Watson <owenathome at rsnz.govt dot nz>
Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:36:15 +1200
32. Command to change subscription address
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:15:59 +0800
33. Re: Command to change subscription address
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:12:11 -0700
34. Re: Questions from a Macjordomo user
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:19:46 -0700
35. Re: Command to change subscription address
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:38:28 +0800
36. organic files
David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:43:59 -0400
37. Re: organic files
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:38:54 -0700
38. Re: organic files
David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:01:07 -0400
39. SetRFC - syntax ?
Charlie Swiszcz <cjs at mcad dot edu>
Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:57:10 -0500
40. Another question...
David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:56:19 -0400
41. Re: SetRFC - syntax ?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:43:26 -0700
42. Re: Another question...
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:53:02 -0700
43. Re: SetRFC - syntax ?
Charlie Swiszcz <cjs at mcad dot edu>
Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:25:03 -0500
44. Allow exception to subscriber list?
Andy Alm <aalm at igc dot org>
Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:20:45 -0700
45. Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:02:01 -0700
46. Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?
Andy Alm <aalm at igc dot org>
Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:43:45 -0700
47. Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:29:25 -0700
48. Corrections to docs & queries
Owen Watson <owen-lists at rsnz.govt dot nz>
Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:31:37 +1200
49. Re: Forms queries
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:24:56 -0400
50. 'Catch 22' problem (Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?)
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:50:29 +0200
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:43:01 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Unsubscribed (soft bounce)
At 21:23 -0700 8/30/2000, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>To follow up on an old thread I started awhile back, the following
>FORWARD is all I get when a member of a list is soft-bounced. With
>a hard bounce, I get the entire bounce message and can see what the
>problem is. As you can see below, this soft bounce message doesn't
>tell me anything helpful except that the e-mail was unsubscribed.
>
>Is there any chance of improving this? Is there something I can do
>to get more information?
I would suggest installing 4.2.1b2.
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:45:48 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Reverse order of web archives?
At 12:49 -0400 8/31/2000, Charles L. Martin wrote:
>Is there any way to have a web archive for a particular list show
>messages in reverse order? I want to use an Announcements list to send
>notices to subscribers, and to have the announcements show on a web page
>with the most recent one on top. I saw nothing in the documentation, but
>thought I would ask before I tried working out another solution (not that
>I have a clue how I might do that).
I'll look into this.
Subject: Re: Reverse order of web archives?
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:36:17 -0400
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Hey, thanks Mikael!
On 8/31/00 3:45 PM, Mikael Hansen said:
>I'll look into this.
Charles L. Martin
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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 21:05:57 -0500
From: Andrew Starr <atstarr at negia dot net>
Subject: Autoshare web subscription interface
It's a work in progress, but see:
http://www.emailman.com/mailserv/
I both have an example for an autoshare list, as well as the link to
MailServ, the program that drives it. You can also download the
autoshare.cf file (I adapted it from listserv.cf which came with
"MailServ") which is used for autoshare lists.
-Andrew
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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:41:33 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: File format in filed mail folder
Hi,
I'm having a problem with a script that writes files in the filed mail
folder. Autoshare doesn't become aware of a file if it doesn't have a
resource fork; files my script write don't.
Is this a bug or a feature? :)
In other words, should I try to give resources to my files?
There's always the solution of writing the files in the submitted folder;
they will pass through SIMS and arrive in the filed mail folder with full
resources. But for obscure reasons, I want the list to exist in Autoshare
but no user being abble to write to it. So there's no 'link' between SIMS
and the list - only the .d and .m files, but that's ok.
Thanks,
Serge
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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:54:43 -0400
From: Chris Freemesser <chris at cvs.rochester dot edu>
Subject: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Hi all.
Our department is considering replacing our old Unix Web server with
WebTen (a Mac Web server). We also run an EIMS mail server.
Moving our Web site over to the Mac appears to be easily do-able,
except for one section. We have a Web-based mailing list
subscription system on the Unix server that uses Majordomo. Our
mailing lists are really just used to send event reminders to people,
with each list being a category of event.
Basically, a visitor to our site enters his/her E-mail address on a
Web page, submits it, and the server returns a page that lists all of
our mailing lists (there are 15 or so), and which of these lists they
are subscribed to. For each mailing list, there are 5 options as to
when the person would like to be reminded of an event: the day of
the event, the day before, 2 days before, 1 week before, and a weekly
digest. By checkmarking any of these boxes (you can check as many as
you want), and clicking the submit button, the user is subscribed to
the mailing list(s).
So, my question is: would a combination of Autoshare and EIMS be
able to handle all of this? I've been told that the subscription
system must work in the same manner on a new server as it does now.
Thanks much!
Chris
--
_____________________________________________
Chris Freemesser, University of Rochester
Department of Brain & Cognitive Sciences /
Center for Visual Science
Meliora Hall, Room 244
E-Mail: chris at cvs.rochester dot edu
Phone: (716)275-0786
_____________________________________________
Date: 05 Sep 00 13:21:30 -0500
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Reply to: RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Yes autoshare can do that. If you have a Web* web server there is a =
little piece of software called listserv.cgi that will allow you to set up =
a listserv sign up page with no difficulty.
I think you can find an example at http://www.hopkins.k12.mn.us. Look =
under, I think (can't get to the browser right now to check) In district =
Services or some such thing.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======
Chris Freemesser wrote:
>Hi all.
>
>Our department is considering replacing our old Unix Web server with =
>WebTen (a Mac Web server). We also run an EIMS mail server.
>
>Moving our Web site over to the Mac appears to be easily do-able, =
>except for one section. We have a Web-based mailing list =
>subscription system on the Unix server that uses Majordomo. Our =
>mailing lists are really just used to send event reminders to people, =
>with each list being a category of event.
>
>Basically, a visitor to our site enters his/her E-mail address on a =
>Web page, submits it, and the server returns a page that lists all of =
>our mailing lists (there are 15 or so), and which of these lists they =
>are subscribed to. For each mailing list, there are 5 options as to =
>when the person would like to be reminded of an event: the day of =
>the event, the day before, 2 days before, 1 week before, and a weekly =
>digest. By checkmarking any of these boxes (you can check as many as =
>you want), and clicking the submit button, the user is subscribed to =
>the mailing list(s).
>
>So, my question is: would a combination of Autoshare and EIMS be =
>able to handle all of this? I've been told that the subscription =
>system must work in the same manner on a new server as it does now.
>
>Thanks much!
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>-- =
>
>_____________________________________________
>Chris Freemesser, University of Rochester
>Department of Brain & Cognitive Sciences /
> Center for Visual Science
>Meliora Hall, Room 244
>E-Mail: chris at cvs.rochester dot edu
>Phone: (716)275-0786
>_____________________________________________
>
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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:28:34 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: File format in filed mail folder
At 12:41 +0200 9/4/2000, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>I'm having a problem with a script that writes files in the filed mail
>folder. Autoshare doesn't become aware of a file if it doesn't have a
>resource fork; files my script write don't.
>
>Is this a bug or a feature? :)
>In other words, should I try to give resources to my files?
Yes, message files do require proper resources. Let me know if
optionally targeting the built-in AutoShare AppleScript command
entitled Send Mail to the Filed Mail folder will make it easier for
you.
Subject: RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:10:12 -0400
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Chuck, your list subscription page is at:
http://www.hopkins.k12.mn.us/pages/tis/listserv.html
I have another, designed "for dummies", at:
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/pub/Lists/ListForms/GCB-L.html
An older version of mine is at:
http://www.theombudsman.com/pub/theombudsmanlists.html
But after all this, I still don't know if you can do what you want. If
each option (e.g. one day in advance, one week in advance, etc.) is a
separate list, it will work fine. I am not aware of any AutoShare option
which will allow a subscriber to get messages sent to a given list at
different times from other subscribers. I was unclear about your need
here. You say there are 5 options for each list, so I assume you mean
subscribers would have a setting delaying delivery by varying times. To
do this with AutoShare would, I think, require writing your own script to
time the messages.
On 9/5/00 2:21 PM, Chuck Boody said:
> Reply to: RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
>Yes autoshare can do that. If you have a Web* web server there is a
>little piece of software called listserv.cgi that will allow you to set up=
>a listserv sign up page with no difficulty.
>
>I think you can find an example at http://www.hopkins.k12.mn.us. Look
>under, I think (can't get to the browser right now to check) In district
>Services or some such thing.
>
>Chuck Boody
>Analyst/Programmer
>ISD 270
>=======
>
>Chris Freemesser wrote:
>>Hi all.
>>
>>Our department is considering replacing our old Unix Web server with >Web=
Ten
>(a Mac Web server). We also run an EIMS mail server.
>>
>>Moving our Web site over to the Mac appears to be easily do-able, >except=
for
>one section. We have a Web-based mailing list >subscription system on the=
>Unix server that uses Majordomo. Our >mailing lists are really just used
>to send event reminders to people, >with each list being a category of eve=
nt.
>>
>>Basically, a visitor to our site enters his/her E-mail address on a >Web
page,
>submits it, and the server returns a page that lists all of >our mailing
>lists (there are 15 or so), and which of these lists they >are subscribed
>to. For each mailing list, there are 5 options as to >when the person
>would like to be reminded of an event: the day of >the event, the day
>before, 2 days before, 1 week before, and a weekly >digest. By
>checkmarking any of these boxes (you can check as many as >you want), and
>clicking the submit button, the user is subscribed to >the mailing list(s)=
Date: 05 Sep 00 17:48:10 -0500
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Reply to: RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
The needs you mention are not mine, but you are certainly correct that if =
each user is to have a different "index" delivered, or a different =
schedule for mailing messages you would need to script it somehow. A list =
can be set up to deliver messages once a week (or other time interval) if =
it is an announcement list, but beyond that I suspect Mikael would need to =
tell us what to do.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======
Charles L. Martin wrote:
>Chuck, your list subscription page is at:
>
>http://www.hopkins.k12.mn.us/pages/tis/listserv.html
>
>I have another, designed "for dummies", at:
>
>http://www.theOmbudsman.com/pub/Lists/ListForms/GCB-L.html
>
>An older version of mine is at:
>
>http://www.theombudsman.com/pub/theombudsmanlists.html
>
>But after all this, I still don't know if you can do what you want. If =
>each option (e.g. one day in advance, one week in advance, etc.) is a =
>separate list, it will work fine. I am not aware of any AutoShare option =
>which will allow a subscriber to get messages sent to a given list at =
>different times from other subscribers. I was unclear about your need =
>here. You say there are 5 options for each list, so I assume you mean =
>subscribers would have a setting delaying delivery by varying times. To =
>do this with AutoShare would, I think, require writing your own script to =
>time the messages.
>
>On 9/5/00 2:21 PM, Chuck Boody said:
>
>> Reply to: RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
>>Yes autoshare can do that. If you have a Web* web server there is a =
>>little piece of software called listserv.cgi that will allow you to set =
up =
>>a listserv sign up page with no difficulty.
>>
>>I think you can find an example at http://www.hopkins.k12.mn.us. Look =
>>under, I think (can't get to the browser right now to check) In district =
>>Services or some such thing.
>>
>>Chuck Boody
>>Analyst/Programmer
>>ISD 270
>>=======
>>
>>Chris Freemesser wrote:
>>>Hi all.
>>>
>>>Our department is considering replacing our old Unix Web server with >=
WebTen =
>>(a Mac Web server). We also run an EIMS mail server.
>>>
>>>Moving our Web site over to the Mac appears to be easily do-able, >=
except =
>for =
>>one section. We have a Web-based mailing list >subscription system on =
the =
>>Unix server that uses Majordomo. Our >mailing lists are really just =
used =
>>to send event reminders to people, >with each list being a category of =
event.
>>>
>>>Basically, a visitor to our site enters his/her E-mail address on a >=
Web =
>page, =
>>submits it, and the server returns a page that lists all of >our mailing =
>>lists (there are 15 or so), and which of these lists they >are =
subscribed =
>>to. For each mailing list, there are 5 options as to >when the person =
>>would like to be reminded of an event: the day of >the event, the day =
>>before, 2 days before, 1 week before, and a weekly >digest. By =
>>checkmarking any of these boxes (you can check as many as >you want), =
and =
>>clicking the submit button, the user is subscribed to >the mailing list(=
s)
>
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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:52:25 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: File format in filed mail folder
At 21:28 +0200 5/09/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>Yes, message files do require proper resources. Let me know if
>optionally targeting the built-in AutoShare AppleScript command
>entitled Send Mail to the Filed Mail folder will make it easier for
>you.
I'm not sure I understand your words; if you mean you could add an option
to the send mail command, so that it puts files in the filed mail folder,
not the submitted one, yes it would help.
Thanks anyway for your attention,
Serge
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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:55:43 -0400
From: Chris Freemesser <chris at cvs.rochester dot edu>
Subject: RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
> Reply to: RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
>The needs you mention are not mine, but you are certainly correct
>that if each user is to have a different "index" delivered, or a
>different schedule for mailing messages you would need to script it
>somehow. A list can be set up to deliver messages once a week (or
>other time interval) if it is an announcement list, but beyond that
>I suspect Mikael would need to tell us what to do.
Allow me to clarify what's happening.
Let's say that there's a presentation scheduled for September 10th
for the folks on one of the mailing lists. On September 3rd (1 week
before the presentation), the system automatically sends an E-mail to
remind those folks who have requested 1 week reminders of the
presentation. The same kind of reminder is sent on September 8th (2
days before), September 9th (1 day before) and the morning of
September 10th (the day of the presentation) to those who have
requested reminders at those intervals.
I do believe that the current system has separate mailing lists for
each schedule, so that for each general mailing lists (let's say the
"neuroscience events" mailing list), there are actually 5 different
mailing lists (like "neuroscience1week", "neuroscience2days",etc.).
Thanks,
Chris
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_____________________________________________
Subject: RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:57:15 -0400
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Given this clarification, yes, AutoShare will handle subscription by web
form. You would just have to design the form to subscribe to the proper
list based on how much advance notice they wanted, and then you would
have to send the message to the proper list at the proper time. It sounds
like you already have this set up, so you would just change the target
list for the reminders (and the subscription form) and you'd be up and
running.
Oh, yeah. One other thing. You also need a mail server that AutoShare
works with, like EIMS. I don't remember if you said what mail server you
used.
On 9/6/00 8:55 AM, Chris Freemesser said:
>Allow me to clarify what's happening.
>
>Let's say that there's a presentation scheduled for September 10th
>for the folks on one of the mailing lists. On September 3rd (1 week
>before the presentation), the system automatically sends an E-mail to
>remind those folks who have requested 1 week reminders of the
>presentation. The same kind of reminder is sent on September 8th (2
>days before), September 9th (1 day before) and the morning of
>September 10th (the day of the presentation) to those who have
>requested reminders at those intervals.
>
>I do believe that the current system has separate mailing lists for
>each schedule, so that for each general mailing lists (let's say the
>"neuroscience events" mailing list), there are actually 5 different
>mailing lists (like "neuroscience1week", "neuroscience2days",etc.).
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris
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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:52:54 -0400
From: Chris Freemesser <chris at cvs.rochester dot edu>
Subject: RE: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
>Given this clarification, yes, AutoShare will handle subscription by web
>form. You would just have to design the form to subscribe to the proper
>list based on how much advance notice they wanted, and then you would
>have to send the message to the proper list at the proper time. It sounds
>like you already have this set up, so you would just change the target
>list for the reminders (and the subscription form) and you'd be up and
>running.
>
>Oh, yeah. One other thing. You also need a mail server that AutoShare
>works with, like EIMS. I don't remember if you said what mail server you
>used.
Yep, we have EIMS.
The one thing I'm not sure about is how to automate the sending of
this mail (like we have now). Somebody just enters the date and time
of the meetings into a Web form, and the system takes care of sending
out the reminders. So the system must be scanning whatever database
file contains the various meetings and figures out when (and to whom)
to send the reminders. That'll probably be the toughest part of the
system to convert.
Chris
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E-Mail: chris at cvs.rochester dot edu
Phone: (716)275-0786
_____________________________________________
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:07:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
From: Jon Gardner <jon at food.tamu dot edu>
on 9/6/2000 9:52 AM, Chris Freemesser at chris at cvs.rochester dot edu wrote:
> The one thing I'm not sure about is how to automate the sending of
> this mail (like we have now). Somebody just enters the date and time
> of the meetings into a Web form, and the system takes care of sending
> out the reminders. So the system must be scanning whatever database
> file contains the various meetings and figures out when (and to whom)
> to send the reminders. That'll probably be the toughest part of the
> system to convert.
That should be fairly straightforward with AppleScript and FileMaker Pro.
You can set up the scheduling database in FMP and use FMP's web publishing
capabilities to allow web-based input/control. Then, using cron or even just
a background AppleScript, trigger a FileMaker script at a regular interval
(say, every ten minutes, or every hour, whatever suits your purposes) that
checks the scheduled events and sends email accordingly.
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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:43:25 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare to replace Majordomo?
At 13:54 -0400 9/5/2000, Chris Freemesser wrote:
>For each mailing list, there are 5 options as to when the person
>would like to be reminded of an event: the day of the event, the
>day before, 2 days before, 1 week before, and a weekly digest. By
>checkmarking any of these boxes (you can check as many as you want),
>and clicking the submit button, the user is subscribed to the
>mailing list(s).
A list server list tends to have just two ways of when to receive
posted list contributions: message (when the event announcement is
posted to the list) or digest. There is no other built-in way of
having AutoShare divide the subscribers on a list as to when list
mail should be received.
At 10:07 -0500 9/6/2000, Jon Gardner wrote:
>That should be fairly straightforward with AppleScript and FileMaker Pro.
>You can set up the scheduling database in FMP and use FMP's web publishing
>capabilities to allow web-based input/control. Then, using cron or even just
>a background AppleScript, trigger a FileMaker script at a regular interval
>(say, every ten minutes, or every hour, whatever suits your purposes) that
>checks the scheduled events and sends email accordingly.
As far as the database is concerned, AutoShare's built-in subscriber
database format can be used to have the 5 options stored with each
subscriber right inside the list file. The key is to create an
optional field for this purpose.
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/#listformat>
Within an AppleScript, you can then perhaps also use AutoShare's
built-in Cron to do the timing triggering. That should be an
interesting AppleScript!
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:55:46 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Auto-response token
Hi,
Is there a token to change the From: field in auto-reponse documents?
Thanks,
Serge
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:11:00 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Auto-response token
At 16:55 +0200 9/8/2000, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>Is there a token to change the From: field in auto-reponse documents?
No, I'm hesistant to build that in, but a process extender can do it.
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:18:54 -0700
From: Andy Alm <aalm at igc dot org>
Subject: Relay restrictions
I suppose this has come up before, but I'm new to AutoShare, so it's new
to me.
How should relay restrictions be set in EIMS to allow list mail to be
relayed, without opening up the entire smtp server as a promiscuous
relay? My settings now appear to prevent relaying of postings if the
sender or recipient are not in local or specifically-allowed domains.
Thanks for any advice.
Andy
PS The new SiteSearch feature at Google
<http://services.google.com/sitesearch/express> provided a very quick
way of searching the list archives at pensive.org. You might consider
adding it to the site.
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:56:59 -0500
From: Charlie Swiszcz <cjs at mcad dot edu>
Subject: /=redirect token - strayLFs
Greetings,
Running:
- Autoshare 4.2.1b2
- EIMS 3.0.1 with "NUL and LF Filter" filter installed.
I just tried using the /=redirect token to redirect a subscribe request to=
a list moderator. EIMS as configured is bouncing the message because it=
appears that stray line feeds are being introduced during the processing.=
For kicks I tried the /=forward token and it appears to introduce stray=
line feeds as well. If the filter is removed from EIMS, the transaction=
takes place as expected. Have others noted same? In lieu of removing the=
filter from EIMS; is there something for me to check/reconfigure in=
AutoShare setup?
thanks
cjs
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:51:20 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: Relaying denied?
At 9:28 AM -0400 8/10/00, Charles L. Martin wrote:
> I have gotten a large number of users unsubscribed with an error like
> this:
>
>> The following message could not be sent because the address
> 'jimroth at dcwi dot com' was rejected by host 'dcwi.com'.
>> 550 <jimroth at dcwi dot com>... Relaying denied
>
> Is this due to something I have set up improperly in EIMS? AutoShare?
> Neither?
In my experience, the vast majority of these bounces are caused by
improperly configured sendmail systems. In many cases even mail to
"postmaster" at the bouncing domain will bounce. I have a page on my
site <http://www.pensive.org/mailing_lists/problems.html> that
explains this to people.
--
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it isn't here.
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:14:49 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Use Phrase Instead of Comment
I love AutoShare and think it's great. However, it does annoy me
that it uses the comment form instead of the phrase form for its own
address.
It now uses
autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org (Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk)
instead of
Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
which I think would be much better.
Please?
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:39:10 +0200
From: Serge Belleudy d'Espinose <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: A crashing loop with process extenders
Hi,
I discovered what may not be called a bug nor a design flaw. I don't have
any suggestion, and if I were Mikael, I really wouldn't want to change AS
for something that is pushing things one step too far. I just wanted to
share it with you.
I'm currently working real hard on process extenders. First I made a Before
Processing w/o drawback, and then a Token which in turn triggers a
subscribe. Following Mikael's advice on ignoring application responses in
Token, everything was fine.
Then I decided to merge the two PEs in one Default and the real fun came
out. When triggering the Token handler inside default, AS became utterly
slow and eventualy crashed. I discovered why, which seems obvious...
...but really wasn't until I found out!
AutoShare triggers the Token handler in Default
-> first call from AS to Default in a row
Token triggers a subscribe command
-> first call from Default to AS in a row -- fine, Mikael expected that
Receiving the subscribe command, AS triggers the Subscribe handler in Default
-> second call from AS to Default in a row!!!
(of course, this wouldn't happen with two separate PEs)
AS halts, waiting for a response that doesn't come.
It's worth noting that at this point, AS can still recover and work as
expected. In my case, everything became worse just because I needed to
include a second command in the Token handler, also triggering a different
handler in turn.
Enjoy!
Serge
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:16:46 +0200
From: Serge Belleudy d'Espinose <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: Auto-response token
At 13:11 -0700 9/8/2000, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>>Is there a token to change the From: field in auto-reponse documents?
>
>No, I'm hesistant to build that in, but a process extender can do it.
Of course. Just as a process extender can write a response message line by
line.
The point here is that I'm trying to use what already exists, not
reinventing the wheel.
I'm working on 'fake' commands to a list. A Token process extender is
triggered by /pe= in auto-response documents named <list>-<command>. The
trick is to format the document as close as possible to the 'set' document.
But while the real set document comes from 'Authoshare, the list server',
fake documents come from their name. This is what I'm trying to change.
Out of this topic, but not out of AutoShare, I have a story about a crash
situation in the next mail.
Serge
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:56:52 +0200
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Use Phrase Instead of Comment
>I love AutoShare and think it's great. However, it does annoy me
>that it uses the comment form instead of the phrase form for its own
>address.
>
>It now uses
> autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org (Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk)
>instead of
> Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
>which I think would be much better.
Let's bring it a little bit more to perfection...
Current form is:
autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org (Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk)
Your suggestion is:
Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
The first is bad because it prefers computer-language before human
language. But it's good in that the first letters are the ones with
the highest resolution. In your suggestion, the first 15 letters are
wasted by a constant. Why is it bad?
For example, my listings in Eudora show only first 17 characters of
the sender's name/address. That means only 3 characters are left for
the mailing list resolution in your suggestion.
So i would suggest this form:
AutoShare-Talk Subscribers <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
or this one:
AutoShare-Talk Mailing List <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
or even this:
AutoShare-Talk <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
What do you think?
HOnza
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:08:23 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: Use Phrase Instead of Comment
At 12:56 PM +0200 9/10/00, HOnza Koudelka wrote:
> So i would suggest this form:
>
> AutoShare-Talk Subscribers <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
>
> or this one:
>
> AutoShare-Talk Mailing List <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
>
> or even this:
>
> AutoShare-Talk <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
>
> What do you think?
Any of those are fine.
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:43:36 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Use Phrase Instead of Comment
At 18:14 -0700 9/9/2000, Randall Gellens wrote:
>I love AutoShare and think it's great. However, it does annoy me
>that it uses the comment form instead of the phrase form for its own
>address.
>
>It now uses
> autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org (Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk)
>instead of
> Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
>which I think would be much better.
>
>Please?
Duly noted. (Although the To field is only changed when needed.)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:42:37 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: A crashing loop with process extenders
At 22:39 +0200 9/9/2000, Serge Belleudy d'Espinose wrote:
>I discovered what may not be called a bug nor a design flaw. I don't have
>any suggestion, and if I were Mikael, I really wouldn't want to change AS
>for something that is pushing things one step too far. I just wanted to
>share it with you.
>
>I'm currently working real hard on process extenders. First I made a Before
>Processing w/o drawback, and then a Token which in turn triggers a
>subscribe. Following Mikael's advice on ignoring application responses in
>Token, everything was fine.
>
>Then I decided to merge the two PEs in one Default and the real fun came
>out. When triggering the Token handler inside default, AS became utterly
>slow and eventualy crashed. I discovered why, which seems obvious...
>...but really wasn't until I found out!
>
>AutoShare triggers the Token handler in Default
>-> first call from AS to Default in a row
>
>Token triggers a subscribe command
>-> first call from Default to AS in a row -- fine, Mikael expected that
>
>Receiving the subscribe command, AS triggers the Subscribe handler in Default
>-> second call from AS to Default in a row!!!
>(of course, this wouldn't happen with two separate PEs)
>
>AS halts, waiting for a response that doesn't come.
>It's worth noting that at this point, AS can still recover and work as
>expected. In my case, everything became worse just because I needed to
>include a second command in the Token handler, also triggering a different
>handler in turn.
Ah, we have entered the wonderful world of timeouts. The default
timeout in AppleScript is 120 seconds, and AutoShare does also use a
default timeout rather than waiting forever if there is no reply.
That means that a potential loop will be broken at some point. And if
and when that happens, the AppleScript is best served by having code
to deal with it.
That is not to say that your script will necessarily have timeouts.
In my test script below, I have tried to reproduce what you may have
gone through. And sometimes both "hello first" and "hello second" are
logged. So maybe you simply need to adjust your timeouts upwards.
property gTokenParameter : "ChangeCommand"
on idle
return 300
end idle
on PE Token (aList)
set kOptions to item 16 of aList -- ChangeCommand
if kOptions = gTokenParameter then
try
tell application "AutoShare"
Subscribe List "fun-l" Email "a@b"
Write Log logString ("Hello first")
end tell
on error errMsg number errNum
if errNum is -1712 then -- timeout
tell application "AutoShare"
Write Log logString ("Error first")
end tell
end if
end try
end if
return {}
end PE Token
on PE Subscribe (aList)
try
tell application "AutoShare"
set a to GetStat
Write Log logString ("Hello second")
end tell
on error errMsg number errNum
if errNum is -1712 then -- timeout
tell application "AutoShare"
Write Log logString ("Error second")
end tell
end if
end try
return {}
end PE Subscribe
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:32:02 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: Use Phrase Instead of Comment
At 12:43 PM -0700 9/11/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> At 18:14 -0700 9/9/2000, Randall Gellens wrote:
>
>> I love AutoShare and think it's great. However, it does annoy me
>> that it uses the comment form instead of the phrase form for its
>> own address.
>>
>> It now uses
>> autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org (Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk)
>> instead of
>> Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
>> which I think would be much better.
>>
>> Please?
>
> Duly noted. (Although the To field is only changed when needed.)
It should be used for all email addresses. For example:
Reply-To: autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org (Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk)
Errors-To: AutoShare-Talk-errors at lists.pensive dot org (List Administrator)
Should be:
Reply-To: AutoShare-Talk List <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
Errors-To: List Administrator <AutoShare-Talk-errors at lists.pensive dot org>
Thanks, this would make the list much more aesthetically pleasing.
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:36:05 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Easier Confirmation
I've noticed that a lot of people seem to have trouble with mail-back
confirmations. Specifically, they often forget to delete the
attribution line added by their mailer. I wonder if AS could perhaps
try some heuristics. Perhaps if a command is unknown, look at the
next non-blank line to see if it is starts with a number (possibly
preceded by quote marks), and if so see if that matches a pending
confirmation?
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knows to be idiots. --H.L. Mencken
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:36:15 +1200
From: Owen Watson <owenathome at rsnz.govt dot nz>
Subject: Questions from a Macjordomo user
I'm looking at AutoShare because I think I've run up against the
limits of Macjordomo. However, the things keeping me with MJ is the
programmer is excellent at supporting his product, it seems
reasonably stable, and my last look at AutoShare (about 2 yrs ago)
convinced me the setup was unnecessarily complex. Things that would
convince me to change are:
* a web interface for staff that would show what lists were there,
who was subscribed to them, and a point 'n click way of getting staff
at ease with subscribing/unsubscribing people to lists.
*An easy way of changing one user's address across multiple lists
*An assurance that it was a stable product (as stable as EIMS would
be great, but that's a bit of a gold standard)
*Ability to send "You have subscribed from the address
joe@bloogs dot com" as a part of each message (which, as you're aware,
would making tracking down those bloody aliases a bit easier). Yes, I
know the downsides of this.
*Some way that it could be tied in with a 4th Dimension database that
held name/address info.
Thanks!
BTW, looking thru the docs, I came across the "Unknown accounts"
section near the end; I'm a bit puzzled, as it seems to say, well,
you don't need to bother with all that rubbish about setting up EIMS
accounts for each list etc. Why go thru all that palaver if this
method is so simple? Or is there a downside?
BTW (2): there's also a bit in there about the EIMS EXPAND command
making mailing list addresses insecure, and giving the AutoShare
remedy; however, at least in EIMS3, there is a preference for turning
off EXPAND.
--
.................
Owen Watson
at home in Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:15:59 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Command to change subscription address
Hello!
Does AutoShare support any email-activated command to change/update a
subscriber's email address?
For instance:
To: autoshare at domain dot com
CHADDR old at domain dot com new at domain dot com listname
Perhaps if the listname was left out, the command would change the
address across all lists managed by AutoShare?
Thanks for any insight!
--
Cheers,
Derek Tom
BBDO Asia Pacific, Hong Kong
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:12:11 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Command to change subscription address
At 15:15 +0800 9/19/2000, Derek Tom wrote:
>Hello!
Hi there!
>Does AutoShare support any email-activated command to change/update
>a subscriber's email address?
>
>For instance:
>
>To: autoshare at domain dot com
>
>CHADDR old at domain dot com new at domain dot com listname
It is not supported as a built-in administrative feature, but the
process extender sample entitled Change Command of type Token shows
how to create a command, that will get a subscriber's properties,
unsubscribe him from the old e-mail address and resubscribe him under
the new address.
>Perhaps if the listname was left out, the command would change the
>address across all lists managed by AutoShare?
That is an interesting thought, but for now you can simply let the
above script loop through all lists.
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:19:46 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Questions from a Macjordomo user
Welcome to the list, Owen.
At 21:36 +1200 9/16/2000, Owen Watson wrote:
>Things that would convince me to change are:
>*An assurance that it was a stable product (as stable as EIMS would
>be great, but that's a bit of a gold standard)
As the business-like promise of "your complete satisfaction or your
money back" doesn't appear to apply well to freeware, you are likely
encouraged to look into how the software has worked for others so
far. I have not for the past three years received any report
confirming a crash coming from AutoShare. That is, I guess, as about
as far as anyone can take stability.
I take no interest in convincing people, I am simply having fun with
AutoShare, and I'm glad when others do too. Anyway, it is often so
hot these days that the fan on my home computer is louder than would
seem enjoyable, so I do the kind of stuff that I like most this time
of year, which this time around is things like sitting outside
reading the Harry Potter books or inside watching the olympics, in
your neighborhood of the world :-) Winter will come soon enough.
>BTW, looking thru the docs, I came across the "Unknown accounts"
>section near the end; I'm a bit puzzled, as it seems to say, well,
>you don't need to bother with all that rubbish about setting up EIMS
>accounts for each list etc. Why go thru all that palaver if this
>method is so simple? Or is there a downside?
The downside is that the RFCs may be interpreted to say that the mail
server itself must be in charge of issuing the bounces. That isn't a
big deal to me.
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:38:28 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Command to change subscription address
As always, thanks very much, Mikael!! I will check out that process
extender. I'm not an AppleScripter but perhaps I'll learn!
Cheers,
Derek Tom
BBDO Asia Pacific, Hong Kong
At 9:12 PM -0700 9/19/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>It is not supported as a built-in administrative feature, but the
>process extender sample entitled Change Command of type Token shows
>how to create a command, that will get a subscriber's properties,
>unsubscribe him from the old e-mail address and resubscribe him
>under the new address.
>
>>Perhaps if the listname was left out, the command would change the
>>address across all lists managed by AutoShare?
>
>That is an interesting thought, but for now you can simply let the
>above script loop through all lists.
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:43:59 -0400
From: David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Subject: organic files
I have been using Autoshare for a few months now and something occurred
which I can't track down. Since I just subscribed to this list, this could
be common (perhaps not).
When I go to check a menu in the Autoshare app, the menu doesn't appear and
Autoshare appears to hang - I mean perpetually. --And the Admin app can't
seem to run or configure any preferences or variables. Upon further
investigation, I came upon a few files in the "Filed Mail" folder, which
seem to have grown to enormous proportions-- 20 to 40 Mb-- and beyond.
When I open one of these files (with a name like b5f0d6b5, or b5f0d6b5$) in
a Word Processing app I see that its the same message repeating over and
over again. It seems like Autoshare is chugging through and adding to the
file and it appears to be growing larger --but making all other operations
wait while it works away.
If I remove the offending file and relaunch, everything goes back to normal.
Some people who have subscribed to this particular list have even gotten the
message that was in the b5f0d6b5 file (maybe all, I don't know, I'm not a
subscriber of their list), however it doesn't appear in the web archives.
So far this has happened twice, but a few months apart.
Any thoughts?
--
David Patschke
Director of Technologies
School of Communications Design
University of Baltimore
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:38:54 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: organic files
At 11:43 -0400 9/22/2000, David Patschke wrote:
>If I remove the offending file and relaunch, everything goes back to normal.
If this should happen again, drag the offending message file out of
the Filed Mail folder, StuffIt the file (important) and send it me
off the list, so that I may take a look at it. Chances are that the
file was corrupt in some respect.
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:01:07 -0400
From: David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Subject: Re: organic files
on 9/22/00 3:38 PM, Mikael Hansen at meh at dnai dot com wrote:
> If this should happen again, drag the offending message file out of
> the Filed Mail folder, StuffIt the file (important) and send it me
> off the list, so that I may take a look at it. Chances are that the
> file was corrupt in some respect.
I still have them--
b5f0d6b5 7Mb
b5f0d6b5.$ 30Mb
Would you like either of them?
--
David Patschke
Director of Technologies
School of Communications Design
University of Baltimore
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:57:10 -0500
From: Charlie Swiszcz <cjs at mcad dot edu>
Subject: SetRFC - syntax ?
Hello Folks,
I am a novice AppleScripter; apparently missing something obvious. I am attempting to modify RFC subject field using SetRFC command but I am having mixed results.
SetRFC Options {dataFile:myFilePath, fieldHeader:"Subject:"}
successfully removes the subject field in its entirety.
However I miss the boat when it actually comes to replacing the subject field content.
SetRFC Options {dataFile:myFilePath, fieldHeader:"Subject: Mary had a little lamb."}
does not work. Variants that I have contrived are also unsuccessful.
whereas
SetRFC Options {dataFile:myFilePath, fieldBody:"Mary had a little lamb."}
works like a charm.
Might someone please post a working example and show me the light?
Thank You kindly,
cjs
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:56:19 -0400
From: David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Subject: Another question...
Occasionally I have users attempt to subscribe to a list who will be
unsuccessful, even though everything they're doing is correct. I have them
Cc: the subscription message to me at the same time they send it to the
Autoshare server. Everything looks correct in the subscription email (no
extra characters or stray spaces, etc.), but when I get my Autoshare report
back (the next day) I see that the message gets routed to the default mail
folder, and where I usually see the email addresses followed by the first
few words of their body (<email address> <listname> <"subscribe"> --these
are always listed in this order on the report) instead I see their email
address, then the words "is This". -- in that order with the capitalization.
--And I don't find this text anywhere in their email message.
Been pounding my head on this one for a while.. Wondering if there's
anything I can do-- Other users seem to subscribe just fine (with seemingly
identical emails).
Has anyone else had this happen? Is something in the subject line causing
problems?
--
David Patschke
Director of Technologies
School of Communications Design
University of Baltimore
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:43:26 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: SetRFC - syntax ?
At 08:57 -0500 9/25/2000, Charlie Swiszcz wrote:
>I am a novice AppleScripter; apparently missing something obvious. I
>am attempting to modify RFC subject field using SetRFC command but
>I am having mixed results.
>
>SetRFC Options {dataFile:myFilePath, fieldHeader:"Subject:"}
>successfully removes the subject field in its entirety.
>
>However I miss the boat when it actually comes to replacing the
>subject field content.
>
>SetRFC Options {dataFile:myFilePath, fieldHeader:"Subject: Mary had
>a little lamb."}
>does not work. Variants that I have contrived are also unsuccessful.
>
>whereas
>SetRFC Options {dataFile:myFilePath, fieldBody:"Mary had a little lamb."}
>works like a charm.
>
>Might someone please post a working example and show me the light?
SetRFC Options {dataFile:path, fieldHeader:"Subject", fieldBody:"Hello"}
where fieldBody is the body of the subject field in the RFC header.
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:53:02 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Another question...
At 13:56 -0400 9/25/2000, David Patschke wrote:
>I see that the message gets routed to the default mailfolder,
I'm not sure I understand what "the default mailfolder" is.
>Been pounding my head on this one for a while.. Wondering if there's
>anything I can do-- Other users seem to subscribe just fine (with seemingly
>identical emails).
If you send me the partial log and the specific e-mails, including
the response to the subscriber, I can take a look at it.
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:25:03 -0500
From: Charlie Swiszcz <cjs at mcad dot edu>
Subject: Re: SetRFC - syntax ?
>At 08:57 -0500 9/25/2000, Charlie Swiszcz wrote:
>
>>I am a novice AppleScripter; apparently missing something obvious. I am attempting to modify RFC subject field using SetRFC command but I am having mixed results.
>>
>>SetRFC Options {dataFile:myFilePath, fieldHeader:"Subject:"}
>>successfully removes the subject field in its entirety.
>>
>>However I miss the boat when it actually comes to replacing the subject field content.
>>
>>SetRFC Options {dataFile:myFilePath, fieldHeader:"Subject: Mary had a little lamb."}
>>does not work. Variants that I have contrived are also unsuccessful.
>>
>>whereas
>>SetRFC Options {dataFile:myFilePath, fieldBody:"Mary had a little lamb."}
>>works like a charm.
>>
>>Might someone please post a working example and show me the light?
>
>SetRFC Options {dataFile:path, fieldHeader:"Subject", fieldBody:"Hello"}
>
>where fieldBody is the body of the subject field in the RFC header.
Light dawns on Marblehead...
Thanks Mikael
cjs
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:20:45 -0700
From: Andy Alm <aalm at igc dot org>
Subject: Allow exception to subscriber list?
I want to create a list that also is a distribution list for a private
newsgroup, via a news->mail gateway (using RumorMill).
Posting to the list address must be restricted to subscribers (e.g.,
closed to spam), unless they have been relayed through the news->mail
gateway, which all should be allowed. (Postings to the private newsgroup
are restricted to authenticated users.)
What's the best way to do this?
I tried setting up a second, open list, with the subscriber list an
alias of the first, but that didn't work. (Or at least, the alias wasn't
recognized by AutoShare Admin.)
Can I provide a filter that specifically allows posting (rather than
suppressing postings) if the news->mail gateway IP address appears in
the Sender: field, or if a special X- header is added at the gateway?
(RumorMill allows me to add a custom header.)
If somebody has a good solution for doing this, I'd buy it.
Andy
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:02:01 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?
At 11:20 -0700 9/26/2000, Andy Alm wrote:
>I want to create a list that also is a distribution list for a private
>newsgroup, via a news->mail gateway (using RumorMill).
>
>Posting to the list address must be restricted to subscribers (e.g.,
>closed to spam), unless they have been relayed through the news->mail
>gateway, which all should be allowed. (Postings to the private newsgroup
>are restricted to authenticated users.)
>Can I provide a filter that specifically allows posting (rather than
>suppressing postings) if the news->mail gateway IP address appears in
>the Sender: field, or if a special X- header is added at the gateway?
>(RumorMill allows me to add a custom header.)
A process extender of type Filter may come in handy here. There is a
sample entitled Bypass Bulk.
Here's an idea. You have an open list. Your script first checks the
filter status; if status say not filtered, then exit with a return
value of not filtered. Then check for the custom RumorMill header
field; if there, then exit with a return value of not filtered. Then
check for the sender being subscribed; if it is, then exit with a
return value of not filtered. Otherwise exit with a return value of
filtered. You may also want to create a message to the person, whose
message could not be posted.
Another idea is to have a regular subscription list and a Before
Processing process extender. If the custom RumorMill header field is
present, then subscribe the person if not already subscribed, but add
a no mail subscriber option, so the person doesn't receive list
contributions.
Just some outlines of course. I'll leave the fun to others :-)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:43:45 -0700
From: Andy Alm <aalm at igc dot org>
Subject: Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?
On 9/26/00 at 1:02 PM, meh at dnai dot com (Mikael Hansen) wrote:
> At 11:20 -0700 9/26/2000, Andy Alm wrote:
>
> >I want to create a list that also is a distribution list for a
> >private newsgroup, via a news->mail gateway (using RumorMill).
> >
> >Posting to the list address must be restricted to subscribers (e.g.,
> >closed to spam), unless they have been relayed through the news->mail
> >gateway, which all should be allowed. (Postings to the private
> >newsgroup are restricted to authenticated users.)
>
> >Can I provide a filter that specifically allows posting (rather than
> >suppressing postings) if the news->mail gateway IP address appears in
> >the Sender: field, or if a special X- header is added at the gateway?
> >(RumorMill allows me to add a custom header.)
>
> A process extender of type Filter may come in handy here. There is a
> sample entitled Bypass Bulk.
>
> Here's an idea. You have an open list. Your script first checks the
> filter status; if status say not filtered, then exit with a return
> value of not filtered. Then check for the custom RumorMill header
> field; if there, then exit with a return value of not filtered. Then
> check for the sender being subscribed; if it is, then exit with a
> return value of not filtered. Otherwise exit with a return value of
> filtered. You may also want to create a message to the person, whose
> message could not be posted.
>
> Another idea is to have a regular subscription list and a Before
> Processing process extender. If the custom RumorMill header field is
> present, then subscribe the person if not already subscribed, but add
> a no mail subscriber option, so the person doesn't receive list
> contributions.
>
> Just some outlines of course. I'll leave the fun to others :-)
>
Thanks, Mikael. The first idea seems to be the most appropriate in this
case, as the second would have me adding potentially thousands of
subscribers to each of about 100 lists.
Now I wish my AppleScript skills were up to the task. They are not, and
it's a rush job, so if anyone on this list would like to tackle this
script (for pay), please drop me a note.
Andy
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:29:25 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?
At 13:43 -0700 9/26/2000, Andy Alm wrote:
>Thanks, Mikael. The first idea seems to be the most appropriate in this
>case, as the second would have me adding potentially thousands of
>subscribers to each of about 100 lists.
>
>Now I wish my AppleScript skills were up to the task. They are not, and
>it's a rush job, so if anyone on this list would like to tackle this
>script (for pay), please drop me a note.
I may have a little time this evening, so if no one has gotten back
to you, I can give you what I have then.
(A PE of type Filter btw won't work, as it doesn't trigger until
actual filtering takes place, but the open list with a PE of type
Before Processing should be just fine.)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:31:37 +1200
From: Owen Watson <owen-lists at rsnz.govt dot nz>
Subject: Corrections to docs & queries
Whew! It will take me a looonnngg time to understand all the manual,
so bear with me. . . .
Quick tutorial: might be worth mentioning about moving the FaceSpan
extension to the extensions folder.
Configuring EIMS: the paths for the save-as files should be Auto:List
Server:Fun-L.m (rather than LS).
Before you send off a test message to Fun-L, it might be worth
deleting the two test addresses that came with the default setup.
Script database format: There doesn't seem to be any method given for
enabling script database format by putting something in the Language
field (Admin>Lists>Yet More Lists).
Query: I want to have a subscriber list in the standard format, but
add extra fields onto it by putting extra stuff at the end of each
line. If I put this stuff after the closing bracket in each line will
this confuse AutoShare? The reason I am doing this is that it will be
easier for me to write text files to disk from my 4D database than
muck round with Applescript. Yes, I can check for busy files before I
write to them.
Message and Digest list files: there is an explanation of the EXPN
command for EIMS. It might be worth mentioning that in EIMS3 at least
you can turn off the EXPN command in EIMS.
Subscriber and web forms: I had a look at the Berriman & Suarez
forms, and tried them out: they don't appear to go anywhere, and
there doesn't seem to be a slot where you put the requite email
address. Am I being totally thick here?
Built-in CGI request handling: tried this, and got a "couldn't
access" message at the browser end, and the server end showed
09/28/00 15:24:32 OK 202.36.162.2
:autoshare.cgi 0
Error -1701: Getting CGIreply string ().
Autoshare was running at the server end, and there was an alias to
the Autoshare app in the webstar folder named autoshare.cgi
--
..........................................................................
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Fax: +64 4 473 1841
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Subject: Re: Forms queries
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:24:56 -0400
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
If you look at the mail form, you will see something like:
<FORM action="mailto:listserv at jetprint dot digprod dot com" method=post>
This will send email to the "mailto:" address given. This form takes the
sender's email and name from the email software. Mikael's script has
fields into which this can be entered:
<P>E-mail:
<INPUT size=35 NAME="email">
<P>Name:
<INPUT size=35 NAME="name">
HTH.
On 9/27/00 11:31 PM, Owen Watson said:
>Subscriber and web forms: I had a look at the Berriman & Suarez
>forms, and tried them out: they don't appear to go anywhere, and
>there doesn't seem to be a slot where you put the requite email
>address. Am I being totally thick here?
Charles L. Martin
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http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:50:29 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: 'Catch 22' problem (Re: Allow exception to subscriber list?)
At 22:02 +0200 26/09/00, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>Here's an idea. You have an open list. Your script first checks the
(...)
>check for the sender being subscribed; if it is, then exit with a
How can a process extender check for someone being subscribed, given
that by the time the PE works, AutoShare will not send an answer back
to any query?
I had a similar problem, and found this workaround:
<paraindent><param>right,left,out</param>- write a run handler and
manually launch the script; since by that time AS did _not_ trigger the
script, it is still reponsive to a get GetFolders - to get the path to
the Lists folder
- by trigger time, find out the path for a particular list file and
manually search for someone inside the list file
</paraindent>
Is there anything better?
Thanks,
Serge
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