The autoshare-talk list archive ending on 11 Jan 2001
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. AutoShare 4.2.1 released
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:24:54 -0800
2. Re: 4.2.1b6
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:37:01 -0500
3. Hello, and a question about configuration of lists and multiple
John Lubotsky <john at iglhrc dot org>
Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:31:47 -0800
4. Re: Hello, and a question about configuration of lists and
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:09:29 -0800
5. HTML in web archives?
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:12:06 -0500
6. Re: HTML in web archives?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:42:17 -0800
7. Thanks for the fix...
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:51:58 +0100
8. AppleScript and AutoShare
Alan Ordway <aordway at ai.uwf dot edu>
Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:54:31 -0800
9. RE: AppleScript and AutoShare
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
17 Nov 00 11:51:31 -0600
10. Re: HTML in web archives?
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:42:29 -0500
11. Re: AppleScript and AutoShare
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:52:04 -0800
12. autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
Brian McEwen <bmcewen at cowboy dot net>
Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:39:44 -0600 (CST)
13. Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:53:57 +0100
14. Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:33:44 -0500
15. Customizing built-in messages?
Chris Dowling <cdowling at facstaff.wisc dot edu>
Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:47:01 -0600
16. Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
Brian McEwen <bmcewen at cowboy dot net>
Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:09:27 -0600 (CST)
17. Re: Customizing built-in messages?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 24 Nov 2000 17:28:38 -0800
18. Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:52:08 -0500
19. Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
Brian McEwen <bmcewen at cowboy dot net>
Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:10:27 -0600 (CST)
20. Closed list with submitters different than distribution?
Tod Fitch <tod at LTFdesign dot com>
Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:41:53 -0800
21. RE: Closed list with submitters different than distribution?
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
27 Nov 00 13:15:31 -0600
22. Activating remote administration & modifying built-in messages
Chris Dowling <cdowling at lists.education.wisc dot edu>
Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:32:45 -0600
23. Re: Closed list with submitters different than distribution?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:04:15 -0800
24. Re: Activating remote administration & modifying built-in messages
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:11:51 -0800
25. Re: HTML in web archives?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:38:31 -0800
26. Re: HTML in web archives?
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:19:01 -0500
27. Re: HTML in web archives?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:44:36 -0800
28. Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:21:35 -0800
29. Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
Brian McEwen <bmcewen at cowboy dot net>
Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:44:41 -0600 (CST)
30. Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:52:54 -0500
31. Has this happened to anyone else?
bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com (Bill M Catambay)
Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:19:35 -0800
32. Re: Has this happened to anyone else?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:32:35 -0800
33. Archive And HTML Formatting Help Request
Laine Lee <LLee at utsa dot edu>
Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:46:10 -0600
34. Re: Has this happened to anyone else?
Bill on Camelot <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
Thu, 07 Dec 2000 12:13:28 -0800
35. Re: Archive And HTML Formatting Help Request
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:41:20 -0800
36. RE: Archive And HTML Formatting Help Request
Laine Lee <LLee at utsa dot edu>
Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:21:27 -0600
37. RE: Archive And HTML Formatting Help Request
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:48:48 -0800
38. <no subject>
"Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:08:27 +0100
39. Subject missing
"Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:10:12 +0100
40. Re: Has this happened to anyone else?
Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:27:52 -0800
41. Re: Has this happened to anyone else?
bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com
Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:51:51 -0800
42. Re: Has this happened to anyone else?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:17:02 -0800
43. Autoshare enhancements requests
Bill on Camelot <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:26:43 -0800
44. Re: Autoshare enhancements requests
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:37:44 -0800
45. In case this ever happens to anyone (was: Has this happened to anyone else?)
Bill on Camelot <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:52:54 -0800
46. Error messages in Admin -> Lists related to list size
John Lubotsky <john at iglhrc dot org>
Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:58:52 -0800
47. Re: Error messages in Admin -> Lists related to list size
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:15:19 -0800 (PST)
48. Different Machine, Different Problem
Bill on Camelot <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:33:25 -0800
49. Re: Different Machine, Different Problem (More Info)
Bill on Camelot <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:21:51 -0800
50. Re: Different Machine, Different Problem
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:30:28 -0800
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:24:54 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 4.2.1 released
Version 4.2.1 is available at
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/>
I would like to thank you all for your feedback making 4.2.1 a better version.
Subject: Re: 4.2.1b6
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:37:01 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Well, I don't want to contradict our Guru, but I edited the text file,
then quit and re-started AutoShare, and the new entries were not added. I
tested this two times (pretty extensive, eh?), and neither time were the
hosts recognized by AutoShare. Maybe I just misunderstand, but it doesn't
look like it works to me. And it really isn't needed, anyway. If it were
me, I wouldn't fix it, I would just delete reference to it in the
documentation. FWIW.
On 11/14/00 10:59 PM, Mikael Hansen said:
>>Second, I have a suggestion for the documentation regarding multiple
>>hosts. The documentation says:
>>
>>"You create the AutoShare Hosts text file in the AutoShare folder inside
>>the System 7 savvy Preferences folder; type in one domain name per line.
>>Verify the list of domains by choosing the AutoShare Analysis menu item
>>from the server and viewing the AutoShare Analysis file; the bounce
>>address is listed first followed by the domains in the hosts file. "
>>
>>In fact, this does not work. It does work, however, it you select
>>"Hosts..." from the Admin Configuration menu, and enter the hosts there.
>
>You are mostly correct here. The arcaic text file however still works
>to the extent that entries will be added to the newer resource
>storage when AutoShare is started up. The documentation has now been
>updated.
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
123 N. McDonough St.
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116, FAX 801-881-1246
Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:31:47 -0800
From: John Lubotsky <john at iglhrc dot org>
Subject: Hello, and a question about configuration of lists and multiple
Hello, as a new subscriber to this list, and new user of autoshare.
In migrating from Majordomo, i have high standards; in reading the
documentation, i have high hopes they'll be met. :)
My question regards the configuration of a list with multiple domains. To wit:
Our mail server (EIMS) and Autoshare at mail.iglhrc.org. Mail is also
(and normally) recieved @iglhrc.org. When sending messages to
fun-l at mail.iglhrc dot org (a test list) no problems; to fun-l at iglhrc dot org,
a get an error "Sorry. The domain of the recipient address is not
valid."
So, how to make the list work with both domain and machine? Any help
or pointers to the appropriate section of the manual will be a gift.
Regards,
John Lubotsky
Information Technology Manager
http://www.iglhrc.org
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:09:29 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Hello, and a question about configuration of lists and
At 18:31 -0800 11/15/2000, John Lubotsky wrote:
>Hello, as a new subscriber to this list, and new user of autoshare.
>In migrating from Majordomo, i have high standards; in reading the
>documentation, i have high hopes they'll be met. :)
Welcome :-)
>My question regards the configuration of a list with multiple domains. To wit:
>
>Our mail server (EIMS) and Autoshare at mail.iglhrc.org. Mail is
>also (and normally) recieved @iglhrc.org. When sending messages to
>fun-l at mail.iglhrc dot org (a test list) no problems; to
>fun-l at iglhrc dot org, a get an error "Sorry. The domain of the recipient
>address is not valid."
>
>So, how to make the list work with both domain and machine? Any help
>or pointers to the appropriate section of the manual will be a gift.
If AutoShare is to receive messages, whose recipient domain may be
different from the domain of the bounce address that you entered when
you first configured AutoShare, you can proceed in two different ways.
1. Multi-domain hosts
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/#hosts>
This approach is the easiest. By adding your domains as the AutoShare
hosts (in the Admin, Command-H), you're telling AutoShare to accept
all of those domains in a joint pool, and all lists will happily use
any of those domains. As mail.iglhrc.org is different from
iglhrc.org, you can have one be the domain of the bounce address and
add the other as a secondary host entry.
2. Multiple preference sets
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/#multipreference>
This approach is far more ambitious. If you have two domains foo and
bar, and you want it to be okay to send mail to the list at
fun-l@foo, but not okay to fun-l@bar, then this is the way to go.
There is much more to this feature than just this, so if you need it,
it is good advice to be sure you do.
Subject: HTML in web archives?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:12:06 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
I remember a while ago there was a message explaining that there was a
way to get HTML in a message sent to a list to display as HTML in web
archives, I think. But, I can't figure out how to get it to work. Can
someone help me out? Or tell me that I misunderstood?
What I want to do is to sent a message to a list. In the body of the
message, I want to put the HTML code to display a table (in the web
archive). Instead, the archive contains the encoded characters, so it
displays the HTML source instead of interpreting it to draw the table.
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
123 N. McDonough St.
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116, FAX 801-881-1246
Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:42:17 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: HTML in web archives?
At 17:12 -0500 11/16/2000, Charles L. Martin wrote:
>I remember a while ago there was a message explaining that there was a
>way to get HTML in a message sent to a list to display as HTML in web
>archives, I think. But, I can't figure out how to get it to work. Can
>someone help me out? Or tell me that I misunderstood?
>
>What I want to do is to sent a message to a list. In the body of the
>message, I want to put the HTML code to display a table (in the web
>archive). Instead, the archive contains the encoded characters, so it
>displays the HTML source instead of interpreting it to draw the table.
MIME is such a complex beast. An HTML message relies not only on HTML
code in the body, but also on an RFC Content-Type header field being
text/html. This Content-Type header field is not stored in the
archives.
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:51:58 +0100
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Thanks for the fix...
Hi everyone and especially Mikael,
I followed your advice about SetRes and it helped me doing what I
need, so thank you very much. Now, I feel guilty for being the one
that induced you to add Folder Path to Send Mail, because I don't
need it anymore... I just have complete control on the file's
location, its data and resource forks.
However, I first neglected your advice about writing at least one rfc
header in the file's text. To add to my fault, I wrote a test file
directly in the Incoming Mail folder, and it went straight through
one of my subscription lists the fake sender wasn't subscribed to :)
I should note also that a completely empty file with only resources
didn't make it through.
I will follow your advices more carefully :)
Thanks again,
Serge
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:54:31 -0800
From: Alan Ordway <aordway at ai.uwf dot edu>
Subject: AppleScript and AutoShare
I am wondering how I can setup a vacation notice by scripting
AutoShare. I have figured out how to setup the filters but can't
figure out how to setup the auto reply document. Any suggestions?
--
Alan Ordway
Institute for Human and Machine Cognition
University of West Florida
Date: 17 Nov 00 11:51:31 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: AppleScript and AutoShare
Reply to: RE: AppleScript and AutoShare
There is an example script that comes with Autoshare that handles all of =
this quite neatly. Check it out......
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======
Alan Ordway wrote:
>I am wondering how I can setup a vacation notice by scripting =
>AutoShare. I have figured out how to setup the filters but can't =
>figure out how to setup the auto reply document. Any suggestions?
>-- =
>Alan Ordway
>Institute for Human and Machine Cognition
>University of West Florida
>
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Subject: Re: HTML in web archives?
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:42:29 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
The interesting thing is, if I view the source, there _is_ and <HTML> tag
at the top of the archive page. The problem is that the HTML in the
message is encoded (by AutoShare?). If I could get AS to stop encoding
the HTML, maybe it would display. I'm not going to worry too much about
it, though, as it works great as it is. I was just dreaming. <g>
On 11/16/00 11:42 PM, Mikael Hansen said:
>At 17:12 -0500 11/16/2000, Charles L. Martin wrote:
>
>>I remember a while ago there was a message explaining that there was a
>>way to get HTML in a message sent to a list to display as HTML in web
>>archives, I think. But, I can't figure out how to get it to work. Can
>>someone help me out? Or tell me that I misunderstood?
>>
>>What I want to do is to sent a message to a list. In the body of the
>>message, I want to put the HTML code to display a table (in the web
>>archive). Instead, the archive contains the encoded characters, so it
>>displays the HTML source instead of interpreting it to draw the table.
>
>MIME is such a complex beast. An HTML message relies not only on HTML
>code in the body, but also on an RFC Content-Type header field being
>text/html. This Content-Type header field is not stored in the
>archives.
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
123 N. McDonough St.
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116, FAX 801-881-1246
Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:52:04 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AppleScript and AutoShare
At 10:54 -0800 11/17/2000, Alan Ordway wrote:
>I am wondering how I can setup a vacation notice by scripting
>AutoShare. I have figured out how to setup the filters but can't
>figure out how to setup the auto reply document. Any suggestions?
At 11:51 -0600 11/17/2000, Chuck Boody wrote:
>There is an example script that comes with Autoshare that handles
>all of this quite neatly. Check it out......
The script is a process extender of type Before Processing located in
the Vacation folder. If you open the script using the Script Editor,
there are guidelines indicating that vacation notice text can be put
in the body of a message with a subject of Doc sent to vacation@. You
are free to change the script if you like, as my scripts displaying
source are just drafts. One improvement is to script EIMS 3.x to turn
off keep copies when the vacation notice for a given user is inactive.
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:39:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian McEwen <bmcewen at cowboy dot net>
Subject: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
Hi all;
I just started reading the docs, but my goal is to set up a web archive
for a mailing list- not one that I'm running, but one or which I am a
subscriber. Will Autoshare let me do this?
The account that receives the mailing list messages is on my SIMS 1.8b8
server; I'm hoping to find a way to have those messages stored in a way
that autoshare can get at them and make an archive available on the web
for them. Tips on the best way to set up a web-based search for the
archive would also be welcomed (I think I'll need another app to do this).
I'll have time to read docs in detail and set things up over the holiday
weekend, but if there is anything special I should do (or more importantly
NOT do) to avoid problems, I'd apreciate input from those who have done
this already.
Server is MacOS 8.6, SIMS1.8b8, and I'm not running the list from here,
but want to maintain an archive as there is not one at present. About
1000-1500 messages/month.
Thanks for any thoughts! Especially, please let me know if this is not
workable for some reason! :)
Brian
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:53:57 +0100
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
At 10:39 -0600 22/11/00, Brian McEwen wrote:
>The account that receives the mailing list messages is on my SIMS 1.8b8
>server; I'm hoping to find a way to have those messages stored in a way
>that autoshare can get at them and make an archive available on the web
>for them. Tips on the best way to set up a web-based search for the
>archive would also be welcomed (I think I'll need another app to do this).
You could just set up a list the normal way using your account to
feed Autoshare with mail. But if the messages come from a list that
uses the precedence: bulk header, I'm afraid Autoshare will just drop
the mails (anti-loop feature).
Serge
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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:33:44 -0500
From: David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Subject: Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
on 11/22/00 11:39 AM, Brian McEwen at bmcewen at cowboy dot net wrote:
>
> The account that receives the mailing list messages is on my SIMS 1.8b8
> server; I'm hoping to find a way to have those messages stored in a way
> that autoshare can get at them and make an archive available on the web
> for them. Tips on the best way to set up a web-based search for the
> archive would also be welcomed (I think I'll need another app to do this).
>
If you upgrade to OS9 and ASIP 6.3, you can set-up Sherlock to automatically
index *just* the folder you have the archive in, and ASIP 6.3 comes with a
sample Sherlock HTML page you can use for html-based searches. You don't
need any more apps. Just make sure that you only index the mail folder,
otherwise users will do a search and get hits for files they don't want and
can't access on other parts of your server.
--
David Patschke
Director of Technologies
School of Communications Design
University of Baltimore
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:47:01 -0600
From: Chris Dowling <cdowling at facstaff.wisc dot edu>
Subject: Customizing built-in messages?
Hello,
Can built-in messages be customized? I'd like to modify the following text
to suit the list moderator's needs. This text is returned with the original
message whenever a reply contains too much quoted text.
TIA,
Chris
"Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded. Not enough unquoted
text in response."
~~~~~
Chris Dowling, Network Services Manager
CIMC, School of Education, UW-Madison
225 N. Mills Street, Madison, WI 53706
voice(608-263-4339), fax(608-262-6050)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:09:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian McEwen <bmcewen at cowboy dot net>
Subject: Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, David Patschke wrote:
> If you upgrade to OS9 and ASIP 6.3, you can set-up Sherlock to automatically
> index *just* the folder you have the archive in, and ASIP 6.3 comes with a
> sample Sherlock HTML page you can use for html-based searches. You don't
> need any more apps. Just make sure that you only index the mail folder,
> otherwise users will do a search and get hits for files they don't want and
> can't access on other parts of your server.
Thanks for the reply.
I'm sorting through the Autoshare docs, and hopefully will shortly get
things set up.
I'm a little confused about the OS9/ASIP 6.3 thing you mention though-
ASIP server is still a separate, expensive addon still, right? Or does
the OS9 sherlock search tool do all I need without additional $?
I looked at the OS9 specs at Apple's site, but didn't see anything about
defining/preparing content for serving content just with Sherlock. Only
searching other sites.
Other suggestions for building a web search tool appreciated- no one
external to the archive will be using the search command built into the
listserv, since no one will be sub'd for this implementation...
And, any other possible "gotcha's" besides the precedence-bulk header?
They aren't using that at present, I'll email the admin and ask them not
to start! :)
Also, would it make a difference (in potential loops or config
problems) in how I get the mail to autoshare? Recall I wish only to make a
web archive of material coming from another list. I could sub my list up
directly to the other listserv, or I could make a SIMS account that
is sub'd to the external list, and forwards the incoming mail to a
autoshare list that no one else knows about. Could/does it matter how I
set up the mail flow here? I'm likely going to do the latter, that way if
there are any problems, I think? they'd stay local. I do not wish to
cause problems for the main list or their admin, no matter what....
Thanks for any further advice-
Brian
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 17:28:38 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Customizing built-in messages?
At 08:47 -0600 11/24/2000, Chris Dowling wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Can built-in messages be customized? I'd like to modify the
>following text to suit the list moderator's needs. This text is
>returned with the original message whenever a reply contains too
>much quoted text.
>
>TIA,
>Chris
>
>"Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded. Not enough
>unquoted text in response."
See language files. Make one including 1100 5 and 1100 26.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:52:08 -0500
From: David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Subject: Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
on 11/24/00 3:09 PM, Brian McEwen at bmcewen at cowboy dot net wrote:
> I'm a little confused about the OS9/ASIP 6.3 thing you mention though-
> ASIP server is still a separate, expensive addon still, right? Or does
> the OS9 sherlock search tool do all I need without additional $?
>
> I looked at the OS9 specs at Apple's site, but didn't see anything about
> defining/preparing content for serving content just with Sherlock. Only
> searching other sites.
>
> Other suggestions for building a web search tool appreciated- no one
> external to the archive will be using the search command built into the
> listserv, since no one will be sub'd for this implementation...
Yes, ASIP is a separate piece of software that you have to purchase (I was
thinking you might be running it on your server). It has file and web
service. Sherlock would do all your indexing of content, and ASIP can access
the index data when someone triggers a search. ASIP comes with sample pages
of Sherlock search and results pages so it doesn't take much to customize
them for your own needs.
--
David Patschke
Director of Technologies
School of Communications Design
University of Baltimore
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:10:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian McEwen <bmcewen at cowboy dot net>
Subject: Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
Thanks for the emails; I've set up a list pretty easily, I think I have
the web archive set up (not tested yet, but it seems straightforward).
I'm setting this up out of the goodness of my heart on one of my office
machines, so am not going to buy the ASIP server for this :) although it
would be nice to have. If I can't find a freebie solution to run on this
machine, I'll just set up Google or something, and if people don't like
it, they can set up their own!
I have one set of hopefully last questions:
I really would like to set up a filter that would accept (and distribute
to the web archive and my one test subscriber) submissions from the big
list, but never broadcast anything back to them. That way I can't ever
start something that would be turn out badly. People subscribing lists to
other lists have caused problems often...I don't wish to do that.
I read that with ack turned off, they will not get their own posts
(submitted to my list) reflected back to them, but the only way I can see
to have their stuff accepted for my "fake" list, is to have them also
subscribed, which means any items I post to the list to test my side, will
get broadcast out on their list. I found the "vacation notice" filter and
other filter options, but don't see a way to make that do what I want:
allows this address to post repeatedly, but block any outgoing mail from
my list to that address, no matter what. Is there a way to do this?
Also, I have a few months of backlogged mail from the main list that I
could forward to my archive and thus have in included. How does the web
archive set up the date for the HTML links? If I set my system clock to
Sept, and mail all the Sept posts over, will that put them all properly
labelled as Sept posts in the web archive (I can run my mail client on the
same machine as the server so everything wil have the same current
date/time). I'd just then change clock to Oct and repeat for Oct
posts... will this work? I assume if I mail them as is, the most current
timestamp would be the real date/time, and I'd have a very looong November
archive...
Thanks for any further help!
Brian
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:41:53 -0800
From: Tod Fitch <tod at LTFdesign dot com>
Subject: Closed list with submitters different than distribution?
I have a closed mail list set up for an organization I am in. In that list
are all members of the organization. The list is configured such that only
submissions from members (list distribution) are accepted. I use a database
program to generate the list addresses for AutoShare, including assuring
that the entries are sorted properly. This works well. So far, so good.
I would like to add a couple more lists that are subsets of the main one
(e.g. new members and board of directors). I can easily create these as I
have done with the original one. Except I would like any one in the whole
organization to be able to submit to any of the lists, but I want to reject
submissions from people from outside the organization. Is there some way to
have a list of authorized submitters that is different than the
distribution list?
Thanks,
Tod Fitch
Date: 27 Nov 00 13:15:31 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: Closed list with submitters different than distribution?
Reply to: RE: Closed list with submitters different than =
distribution?
I would think that the easiest way to do this might be to have the =
necessary persons be a part of all three lists, BUT set them up to receive =
no mail except from the list you want them to get mail from. I believe =
Autoshare will do that just fine. =
Be careful not to get a list loop though (where one list sends to another =
list which has a member to sent to in the first list which sends to the =
second list which.....well you get the idea).
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=======
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database =
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>that the entries are sorted properly. This works well. So far, so good.
>
>I would like to add a couple more lists that are subsets of the main one =
>(e.g. new members and board of directors). I can easily create these as I =
>have done with the original one. Except I would like any one in the whole =
>organization to be able to submit to any of the lists, but I want to =
reject =
>submissions from people from outside the organization. Is there some way =
to =
>have a list of authorized submitters that is different than the =
>distribution list?
>
>Thanks,
>Tod Fitch
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:32:45 -0600
From: Chris Dowling <cdowling at lists.education.wisc dot edu>
Subject: Activating remote administration & modifying built-in messages
Hi,
Having recently upgraded to AutoShare 4.2.1, remote administration
disappeared. Reading the manual, there is a reference to Misc Stuff...
Important change: the letter B in Misc Stuff must be specified to have
remote administration by e-mail be active.
The Admin utitilty is recommended as the interface to Misc Stuff, but I
cannot get it to work. Besides, I prefer to use ResEdit. What are the STR#
and field index number for the Misc Stuff in the AutoShare Preferences file?
On the issue of built-in "error" messages, is it possible to modify the
text of these messages? A list owner would like to modify the message
returned when someone tries to post a message containing too much quoted text.
TIA,
Chris
~~~~~
Chris Dowling, Network Services Manager
CIMC, School of Education, UW-Madison
225 N. Mills Street, Madison, WI 53706
voice(608-263-4339), fax(608-262-6050)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:04:15 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Closed list with submitters different than distribution?
At 10:41 -0800 11/27/2000, Tod Fitch wrote:
>I have a closed mail list set up for an organization I am in. In
>that list are all members of the organization. The list is
>configured such that only submissions from members (list
>distribution) are accepted. I use a database program to generate the
>list addresses for AutoShare, including assuring that the entries
>are sorted properly. This works well. So far, so good.
>
>I would like to add a couple more lists that are subsets of the main
>one (e.g. new members and board of directors). I can easily create
>these as I have done with the original one. Except I would like any
>one in the whole organization to be able to submit to any of the
>lists, but I want to reject submissions from people from outside the
>organization. Is there some way to have a list of authorized
>submitters that is different than the distribution list?
Okay, so you want everyone in the organization to be able to post to
all lists, while at the same time everyone receives list
contributions from the main list and only some of them do so for each
of the other lists?
At 13:15 -0600 11/27/2000, Chuck Boody wrote:
>I would think that the easiest way to do this might be to have the
>necessary persons be a part of all three lists, BUT set them up to
>receive no mail except from the list you want them to get mail from.
That makes sense.
As you have some database stuff going, it would be tempting to have
only one database file with one record per subscriber and then have
subset fields for each and every list tied to each record. That would
be the leanest. Dunno if it's possible.
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:11:51 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Activating remote administration & modifying built-in messages
At 11:32 -0600 11/28/2000, Chris Dowling wrote:
>Having recently upgraded to AutoShare 4.2.1, remote administration
>disappeared. Reading the manual, there is a reference to Misc
>Stuff...
>
>Important change: the letter B in Misc Stuff must be specified to
>have remote administration by e-mail be active.
That's correct.
>The Admin utitilty is recommended as the interface to Misc Stuff,
>but I cannot get it to work.
Let us know if you would like to.
>Besides, I prefer to use ResEdit. What are the STR# and field index
>number for the Misc Stuff in the AutoShare Preferences file?
See <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/technical/>. Notice though
that it is not recommended to edit preferences directly when
AutoShare is running.
>On the issue of built-in "error" messages, is it possible to modify
>the text of these messages? A list owner would like to modify the
>message returned when someone tries to post a message containing too
>much quoted text.
See <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/#language>.
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:38:31 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: HTML in web archives?
At 17:12 -0500 11/16/2000, Charles L. Martin wrote:
>I remember a while ago there was a message explaining that there was a
>way to get HTML in a message sent to a list to display as HTML in web
>archives, I think. But, I can't figure out how to get it to work. Can
>someone help me out? Or tell me that I misunderstood?
>
>What I want to do is to sent a message to a list. In the body of the
>message, I want to put the HTML code to display a table (in the web
>archive). Instead, the archive contains the encoded characters, so it
>displays the HTML source instead of interpreting it to draw the table.
At 20:42 -0800 11/16/2000, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>MIME is such a complex beast. An HTML message relies not only on
>HTML code in the body, but also on an RFC Content-Type header field
>being text/html. This Content-Type header field is not stored in the
>archives.
I got a little curious about it, so Charles kindly mailed me a Filed
Mail folder message file and a web browser screen dump. It turned out
that while the message body looked like a nicely formatted HTML
table, the message's RFC Content-Type header field was not text/html,
but rather text/plain. Once changed, all was well, also in the web
archives. My suggestion is to upgrade the client e-mail software.
Anyway, this is right up the alley of some other stuff I have been
thinking of lately when revisiting text/html in MIME digests. The
MIME digest feature was introduced in AutoShare two years ago and can
be activated by adding the letter L in List Stuff. Just be sure to go
from Text Plain to MIME QP first.
The MIME digest functionality is pretty neat. If you go into the
Attachment part of the Settings in Eudora and check "Receive MIME
digests as attachments", then those attachments when opened are
displayed as a regular Eudora mailbox with individual messages, which
is a rather nifty deal. It also works quite nicely with HTML list
contributions as well as attachments.
I have taken another look at all of this recently and have attended
to minor inaccuracies in the way AutoShare creates MIME digests.
Version 4.2.2d1 can be found at
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>
Subject: Re: HTML in web archives?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:19:01 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Thanks, Mikael. I have not been able to get it to work, but I will keep
trying. Claris Emailer does not deal with MIME at all (other than to
filer it out). I tried using Netscape Messenger, but no settings would
get this to work, either. Later I will find time to try Outlook. I have
stuck to Claris Emailer for years because it handles multiple accounts
effortlessly, and no other program I have tries does it without great
difficulty. Since I have about a dozen accounts I use regularly, I really
need something that will let me access them all when I want to, but deal
with them individually when I need to.
On 11/29/00 11:38 PM, Mikael Hansen said:
>At 17:12 -0500 11/16/2000, Charles L. Martin wrote:
>
>>I remember a while ago there was a message explaining that there was a
>>way to get HTML in a message sent to a list to display as HTML in web
>>archives, I think. But, I can't figure out how to get it to work. Can
>>someone help me out? Or tell me that I misunderstood?
>>
>>What I want to do is to sent a message to a list. In the body of the
>>message, I want to put the HTML code to display a table (in the web
>>archive). Instead, the archive contains the encoded characters, so it
>>displays the HTML source instead of interpreting it to draw the table.
>
>At 20:42 -0800 11/16/2000, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>
>>MIME is such a complex beast. An HTML message relies not only on
>>HTML code in the body, but also on an RFC Content-Type header field
>>being text/html. This Content-Type header field is not stored in the
>>archives.
>
>I got a little curious about it, so Charles kindly mailed me a Filed
>Mail folder message file and a web browser screen dump. It turned out
>that while the message body looked like a nicely formatted HTML
>table, the message's RFC Content-Type header field was not text/html,
>but rather text/plain. Once changed, all was well, also in the web
>archives. My suggestion is to upgrade the client e-mail software.
>
>Anyway, this is right up the alley of some other stuff I have been
>thinking of lately when revisiting text/html in MIME digests. The
>MIME digest feature was introduced in AutoShare two years ago and can
>be activated by adding the letter L in List Stuff. Just be sure to go
>from Text Plain to MIME QP first.
>
>The MIME digest functionality is pretty neat. If you go into the
>Attachment part of the Settings in Eudora and check "Receive MIME
>digests as attachments", then those attachments when opened are
>displayed as a regular Eudora mailbox with individual messages, which
>is a rather nifty deal. It also works quite nicely with HTML list
>contributions as well as attachments.
>
>I have taken another look at all of this recently and have attended
>to minor inaccuracies in the way AutoShare creates MIME digests.
>Version 4.2.2d1 can be found at
>
> <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
123 N. McDonough St.
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116, FAX 801-881-1246
Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:44:36 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: HTML in web archives?
At 11:19 -0500 11/30/2000, Charles L. Martin wrote:
>Thanks, Mikael. I have not been able to get it to work, but I will keep
>trying. Claris Emailer does not deal with MIME at all (other than to
>filer it out). I tried using Netscape Messenger, but no settings would
>get this to work, either. Later I will find time to try Outlook. I have
>stuck to Claris Emailer for years because it handles multiple accounts
>effortlessly, and no other program I have tries does it without great
>difficulty. Since I have about a dozen accounts I use regularly, I really
>need something that will let me access them all when I want to, but deal
>with them individually when I need to.
I haven't used Claris Emailer for a couple of years, but I wonder why
Eudora wouldn't be OK. I have multiple accounts in a big way and love
Eudora's multiple personalities feature. And I'm still fairly sane, I
think :-) Randy, our listmaster, can tell us about Eudora, I'm sure.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:21:35 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
At 12:10 -0600 11/27/2000, Brian McEwen wrote:
>I really would like to set up a filter that would accept (and
>distribute to the web archive and my one test subscriber)
>submissions from the big list, but never broadcast anything back to
>them.
One way is to have the mail subscriber option be turned off as a list
default, but any given subscriber can of course change that at any
given time. Another way is to kill processed message files to the
list, which a simple process extender of type After Processing can
attend to. You can also configure the mail server to let <list>.m and
<list>.d be bogus recipients, which may be the easiest solution.
Anyway, AutoShare naturally doesn't offer what you want as an
explicit feature, because outgoing mail is a cornerstone of any mail
server or list server.
>That way I can't ever start something that would be turn out badly.
>People subscribing lists to other lists have caused problems
>often...I don't wish to do that.
There are various solutions for trying to deal with various
challenges, or problems if you will. I guess the outcome depends on
the various aspects of the given situation.
>Also, I have a few months of backlogged mail from the main list that I
>could forward to my archive and thus have in included. How does the web
>archive set up the date for the HTML links? If I set my system clock to
>Sept, and mail all the Sept posts over, will that put them all properly
>labelled as Sept posts in the web archive (I can run my mail client on the
>same machine as the server so everything wil have the same current
>date/time). I'd just then change clock to Oct and repeat for Oct
>posts... will this work? I assume if I mail them as is, the most current
>timestamp would be the real date/time, and I'd have a very looong November
>archive...
Anything can be faked, given the right circumstances. One essential
helping hand is changing the system clock, as you say. The date
stamps, I think, always reflect the "current" time when given
situations take place.
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:44:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian McEwen <bmcewen at cowboy dot net>
Subject: Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> At 12:10 -0600 11/27/2000, Brian McEwen wrote:
>
> >I really would like to set up a filter that would accept (and
> >distribute to the web archive and my one test subscriber)
> >submissions from the big list, but never broadcast anything back to
> >them.
>
> One way is to have the mail subscriber option be turned off as a list
> default, but any given subscriber can of course change that at any
> given time.
and of course they'd still receive (on the big list) any "test" messages
that I sent to my little list even if mail subscriber is off (that's just
ack/noack for your own submissions if I recall correctly).
> Another way is to kill processed message files to the
> list, which a simple process extender of type After Processing can
> attend to.
I'll look at that, thanks!
>You can also configure the mail server to let <list>.m and
> <list>.d be bogus recipients, which may be the easiest solution.
I don't have a clue how this would work, but I'll read the manual
for it :)
> Anyway, AutoShare naturally doesn't offer what you want as an
> explicit feature, because outgoing mail is a cornerstone of any mail
> server or list server.
right. I'm warping the intended use a little!
[...]
> There are various solutions for trying to deal with various
> challenges, or problems if you will. I guess the outcome depends on
> the various aspects of the given situation.
Thanks very much for the tips! I really appreciate it.
> stamps, I think, always reflect the "current" time when given
> situations take place.
Super, and easy to arrange :)
Thanks very much, again.
Brian
Subject: Re: autoshare plus SIMS account = web archive?
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:52:54 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
On 12/4/00 2:44 PM, Brian McEwen said:
>On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>
>> At 12:10 -0600 11/27/2000, Brian McEwen wrote:
>>
>> >I really would like to set up a filter that would accept (and
>> >distribute to the web archive and my one test subscriber)
>> >submissions from the big list, but never broadcast anything back to
>> >them.
>>
>> One way is to have the mail subscriber option be turned off as a list
>> default, but any given subscriber can of course change that at any
>> given time.
>
>and of course they'd still receive (on the big list) any "test" messages
>that I sent to my little list even if mail subscriber is off (that's just
>ack/noack for your own submissions if I recall correctly).
No, if you SET NOMAIL, the subscriber gets, you guessed it, NO MAIL!.
Nothing. Nada. They can post, but do not receive anything back. It is
entirely different from ACK/NOACK, which only applies to your own posts.
>> Another way is to kill processed message files to the
>> list, which a simple process extender of type After Processing can
>> attend to.
>
> I'll look at that, thanks!
>
>>You can also configure the mail server to let <list>.m and
>> <list>.d be bogus recipients, which may be the easiest solution.
>
> I don't have a clue how this would work, but I'll read the manual
>for it :)
Just substitute a bogus file for the subscriber list in the List Server
folder.
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
123 N. McDonough St.
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116, FAX 801-881-1246
Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:19:35 -0800
From: bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com (Bill M Catambay)
Subject: Has this happened to anyone else?
[I tried making this post weeks ago from my other e-mail, but it
never got posted, just seem to disappear into vapor... A couple of
updates, the newly fixed lists continue to become corrupted (I have
to babysit them now), and I'm now using AS 4.2.1]
I have been spending the last couple of days handling a crisis which
I haven't a clue what caused it.
=46irst the digests started getting garbled and corrupted to our
mailing list. Then people started getting unsubscribed. As I looked
into it, I discovered that the mailing list docs were corrupted too!
Attached at the bottom of this note is an example of what one of the
list files looked like. I have painstakingly repaired the file
(deleting the .m and .d file and restarting autoshare after rebooting
the server). Slowly, the corruption continues. Random characters
are being converted to other characters, lines getting cut off. What
could be causing this? I'm using Autoshare 4.2. There is nothing
else going wrong with the server (running on OS 9 on a 4400/200).
I'm at my wit's end here, and hope someone can help out. I have been
able to retrieve a copy of the list file from a month ago, if that
helps. Perhaps there is some values which show up in this file which
can confuse Autoshare?
Bill
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:32:35 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Has this happened to anyone else?
At 12:19 -0800 12/6/2000, Bill M Catambay wrote:
>Attached at the bottom of this note is an example of what one of the
>list files looked like.
Do all of your list files look like that, if you open them using a
text editor? It's likely that something is corrupt on your disk. Did
you try installing a backup copy of your AutoShare preferences file
or create a new one? Are you sure your mail server environment is
fine?
From: Laine Lee <LLee at utsa dot edu>
Subject: Archive And HTML Formatting Help Request
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:46:10 -0600
Please tell me what settings I can adjust to make version B in the following
example become identical to version A. As you can see (if the autoshare-talk
version doesn't double the effect), the URL link is broken in the middle
(near the end in this example) rather than being compiled correctly. Thanks.
Version A (distributed to normal AutoShare subscribers):
Mydownloadfile
http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.smi
My file intended for html download
Version B (distributed to digest subscribers and stored in web archives):
Mydownloadfile
<A
HREF="http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.s">http://www.usa
domain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.smi</A>
mi
My file intended for html download
Laine Lee
llee at utsa dot edu
Check out the Mac Shack: http://moss.utsa.edu
My Homepage: http://www.txdirect.net/users/llee
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 12:13:28 -0800
From: Bill on Camelot <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Has this happened to anyone else?
>
> >Attached at the bottom of this note is an example of what one of the
> >list files looked like.
>
> Do all of your list files look like that, if you open them using a
> text editor? It's likely that something is corrupt on your disk. Did
> you try installing a backup copy of your AutoShare preferences file
> or create a new one? Are you sure your mail server environment is
> fine?
>
This machine is used for a lot of other things, and I have not seen
corruption anywhere else except the Autoshare list files. I have other
accounts on our EIMS mail server which have been working flawlessly.
I just cannot even imagine what is causing it. After I manually repaired
this file the first time, I monitored it, and began to see things change
again. Is there any value for an e-mail or subscriber name which might be
causing this? For instance, we have one user who's e-mail is in the format
some_name at [111.222.333 dot 444] format. I have another that had put quotes
around their name when they subscribed (e.g., joe.bloe at mac dot com ("Joe
Blow"..3)).
I haven't tried deleting the preferences (didn't want to have to reset
everything again, and couldn't imagine how the preferences could be causing
this... then again, I can't imagine how anything could be causing this).
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:41:20 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Archive And HTML Formatting Help Request
At 10:46 -0600 12/7/2000, Laine Lee wrote:
>Please tell me what settings I can adjust to make version B in the following
>example become identical to version A. As you can see (if the autoshare-talk
>version doesn't double the effect), the URL link is broken in the middle
>(near the end in this example) rather than being compiled correctly. Thanks.
>
>
>Version A (distributed to normal AutoShare subscribers):
>
>Mydownloadfile
>http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.smi
>My file intended for html download
>
>
>Version B (distributed to digest subscribers and stored in web archives):
>
>Mydownloadfile
><A
>HREF="http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.s">http://www.usa
>domain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.smi</A>
>mi
>My file intended for html download
My test shows
Mydownloadfile
<A
HREF="http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.smi">http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.smi</A>
My file intended for html download
with
<A
HREF="http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.smi">http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.smi</A>
being one line, which means that the URL is not broken. It also shows
up nicely in a web browser.
If you load the HTML file into a text editor such as BBEdit, turn off
Soft Wrap Text to see what happens.
There is no setting to make B look like A. One of the nice things in
a web browser is to be able to click and go somewhere.
From: Laine Lee <LLee at utsa dot edu>
Subject: RE: Archive And HTML Formatting Help Request
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:21:27 -0600
Thanks, Mikael.
Can you think of anything that is causing links to hard wrap at the 77th
character? I did not include that many characters in my example but that may
or may not explain why it didn't show up when you tried it. You are invited
to subscribe in digest mode to my test mailing list to witness this happen.
Please send "sub fun-l Mikael Hansen (or any name you choose)" to
autoshare at moss.utsa dot edu then send "ind fun-l" to the same address and
request an individual current html or digest file to look at. Here's a URL
that should get messed up:
http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/Path/Name/Long/Enough/To/Forc
e/Hard/Wrap/file1.smi
Laine Lee
llee at utsa dot edu
Check out the Mac Shack: http://moss.utsa.edu
My Homepage: http://www.txdirect.net/users/llee
> ----------
> From: Mikael Hansen
> Reply To: Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk
> Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2000 10:41 PM
> To: Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk
> Subject: Re: Archive And HTML Formatting Help Request
>
> At 10:46 -0600 12/7/2000, Laine Lee wrote:
>
> >Please tell me what settings I can adjust to make version B in the
> following
> >example become identical to version A. As you can see (if the
> autoshare-talk
> >version doesn't double the effect), the URL link is broken in the middle
> >(near the end in this example) rather than being compiled correctly.
> Thanks.
> >
> >
> >Version A (distributed to normal AutoShare subscribers):
> >
> >Mydownloadfile
> >http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.smi
> >My file intended for html download
> >
> >
> >Version B (distributed to digest subscribers and stored in web archives):
> >
> >Mydownloadfile
> ><A
> >HREF="http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.s">http://www.
> usa
> >domain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.smi</A>
> >mi
> >My file intended for html download
>
> My test shows
>
> Mydownloadfile
> <A
> HREF="http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.smi">http://www
> .usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/file1.smi</A>
> My file intended for html download
>
> with
>
> <A
> HREF="http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directory1/Path/Name/Long/Enough
> /To/Force/Hard/Wrap/file1.smi">http://www.usadomain.pretend/Guests/directo
> ry1/file1.smi</A>
>
> being one line, which means that the URL is not broken. It also shows
> up nicely in a web browser.
>
> If you load the HTML file into a text editor such as BBEdit, turn off
> Soft Wrap Text to see what happens.
>
> There is no setting to make B look like A. One of the nice things in
> a web browser is to be able to click and go somewhere.
>
>
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:48:48 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: RE: Archive And HTML Formatting Help Request
At 14:21 -0600 12/8/2000, Laine Lee wrote:
> Can you think of anything that is causing links to hard wrap at the 77th
>character?
If you send me privately a StuffIt'ed HTML file, I can look into it.
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:08:27 +0100
Subject: <no subject>
From: "Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
Hello everybody!
I have a problem with "high" ASCII characters in the RFC subject-line. I
hope the one line below is self-explanatory. It is what the mailing-list
redistributes:
-----
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?[INSTITUT-NEWS-L] Ein Tip
f=?ISO-8859-1?B?/HIgRnL8?=haufsteher!?=
-----
The original subject (as it was originally sent) used to say:
-----
[INSTITUT-NEWS-L] Ein Tip für Frühaufsteher
-----
It contains two German umlaut u (ü).
Thanks for any help!
Pascal
--
Pascal Oberndoerfer
Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter
Rechtsanwalt
Institut fuer Urheber- und Medienrecht
Salvatorplatz 1
D - 80333 Muenchen
Tel. +49 89 291954-70
Fax: +49 89 291954-80
Email: p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org
WWW: http://www.urheberrecht.org/
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:10:12 +0100
Subject: Subject missing
From: "Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
I am very sorry. The subject should have been:
"high" ASCII characters in the RFC subject-line
Pascal
--
Pascal Oberndoerfer
Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter
Rechtsanwalt
Institut fuer Urheber- und Medienrecht
Salvatorplatz 1
D - 80333 Muenchen
Tel. +49 89 291954-70
Fax: +49 89 291954-80
Email: p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org
WWW: http://www.urheberrecht.org/
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:27:52 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Has this happened to anyone else?
--Boundary_(ID_Kd3gmZdTCGmA8iSFwzCyog)
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At 12:13 PM -0800 on 12/7/00, Bill on Camelot wrote:
> >
>> >Attached at the bottom of this note is an example of what one of the
>> >list files looked like.
>>
>> Do all of your list files look like that, if you open them using a
>> text editor? It's likely that something is corrupt on your disk. Did
>> you try installing a backup copy of your AutoShare preferences file
>> or create a new one? Are you sure your mail server environment is
>> fine?
>>
>
>This machine is used for a lot of other things, and I have not seen
>corruption anywhere else except the Autoshare list files. I have other
>accounts on our EIMS mail server which have been working flawlessly.
>
>I just cannot even imagine what is causing it. After I manually repaired
>this file the first time, I monitored it, and began to see things change
>again. Is there any value for an e-mail or subscriber name which might be
>causing this? For instance, we have one user who's e-mail is in the format
>some_name at [111.222.333 dot 444] format. I have another that had put quotes
>around their name when they subscribed (e.g., joe.bloe at mac dot com ("Joe
>Blow"..3)).
>
>I haven't tried deleting the preferences (didn't want to have to reset
>everything again, and couldn't imagine how the preferences could be causing
>this... then again, I can't imagine how anything could be causing this).
It happened again. After weeks of the list being okay, all of a
sudden two people got unsubscribed today that shouldn't have been,
and here's what I found in the Autoshare list file:
admin at camelot.lmms.lmco dot com (Camelot Administrator..312)
al.douglas at lmco dot com (Allan F. Douglas..31)
alex.levinson at lmco dot com (Alex Levinson..31)
anb at inel dot gov (Tony Brown..3)
andrew.c.moynihan at lmco dot com (Andrew Moynihan..1)
andrew.f.melisano at lmco dot com (Andy Melisano..3)
andrew.grimes at lmco dot com (Andrew Grimes..3)
arntsonm at energy.wsu dot edu (Mark Arntson..31)
barry.gordon at lmco dot com (Barry Gordon..3)
bartonr at telocity dot com (Robert Barton..3=13)
bill.b dot wagner@lmcjTgom (Bill B. WagnoÊ” Ä
$-bil(.m.cat1mbay@lmconcni (Bill Catam¬ay. dot 3=1B
bill.teawell@lmco>=0Eom (Hill"'eawell. dot 1) "Ý
bilm=00camelod.lmds.lmco.com (Bill Catambay..2)
bill at excaliburworld dot com (Bill M Catambay..31) !`
blazerock@uswest~net (Marlos Hill. dot c) H
bob.parker at lmco dot com (@Ôb Yarkew..31) ( =08
bob.putman at =04mco dot com (Bob Putman..3) Ó
bobstuart at mcf dot com
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woodywidofsky at earthlink dot net (bernard widofsky..3)
wrw at cosmail1.ctd.ornl dot gov (William R. Wing..31)
wurtz at sgi520.lmms.lmco dot com (Jeff Wurtz..1)
yves.derop at pandora dot be (Yves De Rop..3)
You think removing the Autoshare preferences is going to fix this?
This is starting to hurt big time. I'm willing to do whatever it
takes to resolve this matter, but I haven't a clue what's really
causing it. The only process, as far as I know, that touches these
files is Autoshare.
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--></style><title>Re: Has this happened to anyone
else?</title></head><body>
<div>At 12:13 PM -0800 on 12/7/00, Bill on Camelot wrote:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>><br>
> >Attached at the bottom of this note is an example of what
one of the<br>
> >list files looked like.<br>
><br>
> Do all of your list files look like that, if you open them using
a<br>
> text editor? It's likely that something is corrupt on your disk.
Did<br>
> you try installing a backup copy of your AutoShare preferences
file<br>
> or create a new one? Are you sure your mail server environment
is<br>
> fine?<br>
><br>
<br>
This machine is used for a lot of other things, and I have not
seen<br>
corruption anywhere else except the Autoshare list files. I
have other<br>
accounts on our EIMS mail server which have been working
flawlessly.<br>
<br>
I just cannot even imagine what is causing it. After I manually
repaired<br>
this file the first time, I monitored it, and began to see things
change<br>
again. Is there any value for an e-mail or subscriber name
which might be<br>
causing this? For instance, we have one user who's e-mail is in
the format<br>
some_name at [111.222.333 dot 444] format. I have another that had put
quotes<br>
around their name when they subscribed (e.g., joe.bloe at mac dot com
("Joe<br>
Blow"..3)).<br>
<br>
I haven't tried deleting the preferences (didn't want to have to
reset<br>
everything again, and couldn't imagine how the preferences could be
causing<br>
this... then again, I can't imagine how anything could be causing
this).</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>It happened again. After weeks of the list being okay, all
of a sudden two people got unsubscribed today that shouldn't have
been, and here's what I found in the Autoshare list file:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font face="Geneva" size="+2"
color="#000000">admin at camelot.lmms.lmco dot com (Camelot
Administrator..312)<br>
al.douglas at lmco dot com (Allan F.
Douglas..31) <br>
alex.levinson at lmco dot com (Alex
Levinson..31) <span
></span> <br>
anb at inel dot gov (Tony
Brown..3) <span
></span> <br>
andrew.c.moynihan at lmco dot com (Andrew
Moynihan..1) <br>
andrew.f.melisano at lmco dot com (Andy
Melisano..3) <span
></span> <br>
andrew.grimes at lmco dot com (Andrew
Grimes..3) <span
></span> <br>
arntsonm at energy.wsu dot edu (Mark
Arntson..31) <span
></span> <br>
barry.gordon at lmco dot com (Barry
Gordon..3) <span
></span> <br>
bartonr at telocity dot com (Robert Barton..3=13)<br>
bill.b dot wagner@lmcjTgom (Bill B.
WagnoÊ”
Ä $-bil(.m dot cat1mbay@lmconcni (Bill
Catam¬ay..3=1B <span
></span> <br>
bill.teawell@lmco>=0Eom (Hill"'eawell. dot 1)
"Ý <br>
bilm=00camelod.lmds.lmco.com (Bill
Catambay..2) <span
></span> <br>
bill at excaliburworld dot com (Bill M
Catambay..31) !`<br>
blazerock@uswest~net (Marlos
Hill..c)
H <br>
bob.parker at lmco dot com (@Ôb Yarkew..31)
( =08<br>
bob.putman at =04mco dot com (Bob
Putman..3) <span
></span> Ó <br>
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<div><font face="Geneva" size="+2" color="#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face="Geneva" size="+2" color="#000000">You think removing
the Autoshare preferences is going to fix this? This is
starting to hurt big time. I'm willing to do whatever it takes
to resolve this matter, but I haven't a clue what's really causing
it. The only process, as far as I know, that touches these
files is Autoshare.</font></div>
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From: bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:51:51 -0800
Subject: Re: Has this happened to anyone else?
At 12:13 PM -0800 on 12/7/00, Bill on Camelot wrote:
> >
>> >Attached at the bottom of this note is an example of what one of the
>> >list files looked like.
>>
>> Do all of your list files look like that, if you open them using a
>> text editor? It's likely that something is corrupt on your disk. Did
>> you try installing a backup copy of your AutoShare preferences file
>> or create a new one? Are you sure your mail server environment is
>> fine?
>>
>
>This machine is used for a lot of other things, and I have not seen
>corruption anywhere else except the Autoshare list files. I have other
>accounts on our EIMS mail server which have been working flawlessly.
>
>I just cannot even imagine what is causing it. After I manually repaired
>this file the first time, I monitored it, and began to see things change
>again. Is there any value for an e-mail or subscriber name which might be
>causing this? For instance, we have one user who's e-mail is in the format
>some_name at [111.222.333 dot 444] format. I have another that had put quotes
>around their name when they subscribed (e.g., joe.bloe at mac dot com ("Joe
>Blow"..3)).
>
>I haven't tried deleting the preferences (didn't want to have to reset
>everything again, and couldn't imagine how the preferences could be causing
>this... then again, I can't imagine how anything could be causing this).
It happened again. After weeks of the list being okay, all of a
sudden two people got unsubscribed today that shouldn't have been,
and here's what I found in the Autoshare list file:
admin at camelot.lmms.lmco dot com (Camelot Administrator..312)
al.douglas at lmco dot com (Allan F. Douglas..31)
alex.levinson at lmco dot com (Alex Levinson..31)
anb at inel dot gov (Tony Brown..3)
andrew.c.moynihan at lmco dot com (Andrew Moynihan..1)
andrew.f.melisano at lmco dot com (Andy Melisano..3)
andrew.grimes at lmco dot com (Andrew Grimes..3)
arntsonm at energy.wsu dot edu (Mark Arntson..31)
barry.gordon at lmco dot com (Barry Gordon..3)
bartonr at telocity dot com (Robert Barton..3=13)
bill.b dot wagner@lmcjTgom (Bill B. WagnoÊ” Ä
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bill.teawell@lmco>=0Eom (Hill"'eawell. dot 1) "Ý
bilm=00camelod.lmds.lmco.com (Bill Catambay..2)
bill at excaliburworld dot com (Bill M Catambay..31) !`
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Nearly have the list was just completely wiped out, while 1/4th of
the subscribers addresses were distorted.
Do you think removing the Autoshare preferences is going to fix this?
This is starting to hurt big time. I'm willing to do whatever it
takes to resolve this matter, but I haven't a clue what's really
causing it. The only process, as far as I know, that touches these
files is Autoshare.
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:17:02 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Has this happened to anyone else?
At 14:51 -0800 12/20/2000, bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com wrote:
>Nearly have the list was just completely wiped out, while 1/4th of
>the subscribers addresses were distorted.
>
>Do you think removing the Autoshare preferences is going to fix
>this? This is starting to hurt big time. I'm willing to do whatever
>it takes to resolve this matter, but I haven't a clue what's really
>causing it. The only process, as far as I know, that touches these
>files is Autoshare.
If you think it's happening to one list only, then it may be either
the preferences for that one list or the subscriber file for that one
list. Either way, you want to push the brake, which is to shut down
both your mail server and AutoShare and then determine which
direction to go. As there appears to be barbage in the subscriber
file, you should clean it up or replace it with an acceptable backup,
and once that has been done properly, start up the server
applications again and run a few tests. If the subscriber file gets
corrupted soon afterwards, then it is needed to delete the list from
the preferences and recreate it. More than anything else, it's about
undoing before doing more.
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:26:43 -0800
From: Bill on Camelot <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
Subject: Autoshare enhancements requests
I thought everything was fine with this particular list (the MacPascal
mailing list), but today I received the following digest (see end of post).
As soon as I saw this, I checked the list files, and the list file for
MacPascal was also corrupted (nearly 85% of the list has since then been
automatically unsubscribed).
Nothing else on the server is experiencing any strange behavior. The
regular e-mail comes through EIMS without any corruption. I will most
likely re-install the OS and start these lists up from scratch again, but I
would like to request some enhancements to Autoshare, in light of what's
happened.
1. Automatic backups of the list files. The backup would only be generated
when a subscribe or unsubscribe request was issued. In this case, I would
have been saved because the list files became corrupt from the postings.
There have not been any subscription changes to the list for months.
2. If possible, it would be nice if Autoshare would detect corruption in the
list files. In one experiment (when I was having troubles with the Mac
Guild mailing list), I retrieved an older list from backup, and upon first
glance, it looked in tact so I installed it. I did a test post, and the
list file was immediately corrupted, widespread. I looked at the backup
file closer, and found that one line in the file was corrupted (a dangling
character at the end of the line outside the parenthesis). I fixed that
problem, replaced the corrupted list file again, and did another test post.
This time everything was fine. It would appear that the corruption
propagates itself, so some kind of corruption detection would really be
helpful.
Thanks,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <macpascal at camelot.lmms.lmco dot com>
To: Bill's Work Mac <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 8:17 AM
Subject: macpascal digest 2 Jan 2001
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Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:37:44 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare enhancements requests
At 10:26 -0800 1/2/2001, Bill on Camelot wrote:
>1. Automatic backups of the list files. The backup would only be generated
>when a subscribe or unsubscribe request was issued. In this case, I would
>have been saved because the list files became corrupt from the postings.
>There have not been any subscription changes to the list for months.
A simple process extender of type Subscribe can back up the list file
when a subscription takes place. The dilemma though is that if
another subscription takes place just afterwards, the backup is
corrupt too.
>2. If possible, it would be nice if Autoshare would detect corruption in the
>list files. In one experiment (when I was having troubles with the Mac
>Guild mailing list), I retrieved an older list from backup, and upon first
>glance, it looked in tact so I installed it. I did a test post, and the
>list file was immediately corrupted, widespread. I looked at the backup
>file closer, and found that one line in the file was corrupted (a dangling
>character at the end of the line outside the parenthesis). I fixed that
>problem, replaced the corrupted list file again, and did another test post.
>This time everything was fine. It would appear that the corruption
>propagates itself, so some kind of corruption detection would really be
>helpful.
Data corruption, much like a glitch, tends to defy explanation. The
pragmatic approach is preventive maintainance by the human admin.
Having just entered the year 2001, I have been reminded of how
imperfect computers are.
Odyssey of 2001
<http://www.usatoday.com/life/enter/movies/flick003.htm>
HAL Lives On
<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/12/31/PK28953.DTL>
Back to "2001"
<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/01/01/MN104308.DTL&type=science>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:52:54 -0800
From: Bill on Camelot <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
Subject: In case this ever happens to anyone (was: Has this happened to anyone else?)
Just a follow-up on my corruption woes...
I suppose it's human nature to always check the thing we don't want it to be
last. The problem with all the corruption was a bad hard drive. Norton
first tried to tell me indirectly (never reported a media problem, yet the
media check process would never complete). Then Apple's Disk Setup gave an
error during the "Test Drive" function.
Sure enough, as I tried to copy everything off the hard drive to another
drive, disk errors galore occurred in the area of the disk which,
coincidentally, contained all the Auto share files. I was unable to copy
the files off the disk (kept giving me a disk error). I tried stuffing the
files and then moving the stuffed archives, but Stuffit also gave me disk
errors. So then I used my simple little DropBin utility to convert the
files to binhex, and that ran okay. I then copied the binhex files over
with no problem, and they converted back no problem. The lists are now up
and running on a different disk now, and the corruption problem seems to
have gone away.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
To: Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: Has this happened to anyone else?
> At 14:51 -0800 12/20/2000, bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com wrote:
>
> >Nearly have the list was just completely wiped out, while 1/4th of
> >the subscribers addresses were distorted.
> >
> >Do you think removing the Autoshare preferences is going to fix
> >this? This is starting to hurt big time. I'm willing to do whatever
> >it takes to resolve this matter, but I haven't a clue what's really
> >causing it. The only process, as far as I know, that touches these
> >files is Autoshare.
>
> If you think it's happening to one list only, then it may be either
> the preferences for that one list or the subscriber file for that one
> list. Either way, you want to push the brake, which is to shut down
> both your mail server and AutoShare and then determine which
> direction to go. As there appears to be barbage in the subscriber
> file, you should clean it up or replace it with an acceptable backup,
> and once that has been done properly, start up the server
> applications again and run a few tests. If the subscriber file gets
> corrupted soon afterwards, then it is needed to delete the list from
> the preferences and recreate it. More than anything else, it's about
> undoing before doing more.
>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:58:52 -0800
From: John Lubotsky <john at iglhrc dot org>
Subject: Error messages in Admin -> Lists related to list size
When examining a newly added list (i.e. clicking on the list in the
left-hand window) in Autoshare Admin -> Configuration -> Lists, i get
the following popup dialog:
"An error occurred while executing the script of <<class LIST>>
"lists": Unable to set some date because -11019. (-11019)"
All is apparently well after that, except: the subscribers' emails
(in the right-hand window) are truncated after about 1291 lines, and
stop displaying midway thru the last address. I am able to edit both
list and subscriber attibutes; the only apparent problem is that the
last 500 subscribers can't be displayed.
After experimenting a bit (with a new copy of the list, using various
subsets of the addresses), i see that it consistently cuts off in the
same place. Less than 1291 addresses (about 32k file size) = no
problem. More than 1291: the same error message.
I've tried increasing memory for both Autoshare and Autoshare Admin; no change.
Help?
For reference I'm running Autoshare 4.2 on System 8.6 with EIMS 3.01.
With Thanks,
John Lubotsky
Information Technology Manager
http://www.iglhrc.org
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:15:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Error messages in Admin -> Lists related to list size
On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, John Lubotsky wrote:
> When examining a newly added list (i.e. clicking on the list in the
> left-hand window) in Autoshare Admin -> Configuration -> Lists, i get
> the following popup dialog:
[...]
> I've tried increasing memory for both Autoshare and Autoshare Admin; no change.
After selecting the list name and before clicking on the List button, I
recommend adjusting the From and Count fields. Last I checked, the Admin
did 500 or so subscribers using the default memory setting, and speed-wise
it may not be worth it beyond that anyway given AppleScript.
In any event, did you all enjoy this morning's MacWorld keynote in
QuickTime? Interesting that Steve Jobs didn't mention the Mac OS 9.1
update, was downloadable later throughout the day though.
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:33:25 -0800
From: Bill on Camelot <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
Subject: Different Machine, Different Problem
I'm working a problem on a different machine now, with different mailing
lists. There's no bizarre file corruption going on this time, but I'm still
just as mystified.
The first symptoms occurred a week ago when Autoshare would just freeze
whenever a file would show up in the Filed Mail folder. I verified every
possible settings I could using Autoshare Admin, but nothing I did seemed to
fix this problem.
So I then decided, since these lists are relatively new and small, to trash
everything and start from scratch. So I trashed the Autoshare preferences
and the Auto folder, and even downloaded completely fresh copies of all the
Autoshare software. I then just created a simply list, going by the
documentation. The Autoreply worked (that was my first test). I subscribed
to addresses to the test list, and the subscriptions went through. So far
so good. I then tried the first posting, and Autoshare would get stuck
again (I saved the file that was in Filed Mail in case that might help).
From here on, it was all down hill. As long as that file was in the Filed
Mail folder, I couldn't even quit from Autoshare. Whenever I tried to use
Autoshare Admin, I'd continually get asked to Locate Autoshare. I'd locate
it, Admin would spin a wheel for a long long time (longer than usual), and
then I'd try to look at the lists again, and it would ask me to locate
Autoshare again. But I just did! ???
Once I removed the file from Filed Mail, I was able to get Autoshare to quit
using simple menu commands. But then EIMS went crazy because it was trying
to deliver mail to test.m, and since the test.m file never got created, EIMS
just kept looping. I manually created test.m as a copy of test and test.d
as a blank file, and that made EIMS happy. The e-mail that got processed,
however, did not make my e-mail client very happy. It was the test post
repeated several times (4k of text taking up 1200k of bandwidth).
In Admin, I can get a list view of the list now, but when I click on the
"List names" button, I get the following error: "An error occurred while
executing the script of iwndow "List Names": Finder got an error :Can't get
name of every item of container "Avalon:System
Folder:Preferences:AutoShare:Disabl". (the message was cutoff at that point,
but the file in question must be "Disabled Lists")
After the error message, it went on to the next screen okay. As I went
through all the various Admin settings, I got to a point when Admin just
froze. I had to force quit, and the application that was in the foreground
that quit was Autoshare. Admin then worked okay for awhile, but then froze
again. Another force quit, and Autoshare was the culprit once again. This
time the server crashed.
I'm out of ideas of what to try. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Bill
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Bill Catambay, Systems Integrator
http://demon.lmms.lmco.com/
Lockheed Martin, EIS
mailto:bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:21:51 -0800
From: Bill on Camelot <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Different Machine, Different Problem (More Info)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill on Camelot <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
To: AutoShare-Talk, Subscribers of <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 5:33 PM
Subject: Different Machine, Different Problem
>
> After the error message, it went on to the next screen okay. As I went
> through all the various Admin settings, I got to a point when Admin just
> froze. I had to force quit, and the application that was in the
foreground
> that quit was Autoshare. Admin then worked okay for awhile, but then
froze
> again. Another force quit, and Autoshare was the culprit once again.
This
> time the server crashed.
>
I should add that, at this time, there is no file in the Filed Mail folder,
but Autoshare still freezes the system whenever I try to run it.
Autoshare 4.2
AutoshareAdmin 4.2
Mac OS 9.0.4
Hardware 4400/200 PowerMac
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:30:28 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Different Machine, Different Problem
At 17:33 -0800 1/10/2001, Bill on Camelot wrote:
>I'm working a problem on a different machine now, with different mailing
>lists. There's no bizarre file corruption going on this time, but I'm still
>just as mystified.
Bill, it looks like you need to check your machines carefully with
Norton and for third-party extensions. Something else is going on.