The autoshare-talk list archive ending on 1 Mar 2001
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. Re: Errors in Admin, part deux
Charlie Swiszcz <cjs at mcad dot edu>
Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:28:46 -0600
2. resource not found -192 error
David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:48:30 +0100
3. Re: AutoShare.CGI?
David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:19:22 +0100
4. Re: resource not found -192 error
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:36:26 -0800 (PST)
5. Re: AutoShare.CGI?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:44:46 -0800 (PST)
6. Getting started again...
Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:41:33 -0600
7. Re: Getting started again...
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:31:52 -0800 (PST)
8. Re: Getting started again...
Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:55:52 -0600
9. More than one digest per day?
"Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:59:05 +0100
10. Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 18 Feb 2001
Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:00:35 -0500 (EST)
11. Re: resource not found -192 error
David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:09:05 +0100
12. Re: More than one digest per day?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:14:45 -0800 (PST)
13. Re: resource not found -192 error
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:45:04 -0800
14. Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 18 Feb 2001
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:48:48 -0800
15. Re: resource not found -192 error
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
20 Feb 01 16:19:34 -0600
16. Re: resource not found -192 error
David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:46:37 +0100
17. Re: resource not found -192 error
Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:03:38 -0600
18. Aha!
Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:02:45 -0500 (EST)
19. Re: More than one digest per day?
"Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:00:01 +0100
20. Strip attachments?
Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:25:31 -0600
21. Re: More than one digest per day?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:38:02 -0800 (PST)
22. Re: Strip attachments?
David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:01:48 -0500
23. Re: resource not found -192 error
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:57:15 -0800
24. Re: Strip attachments?
Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:57:38 -0600
25. Re: Strip attachments?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:54:40 -0800 (PST)
26. Re: Strip attachments?
Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:13:27 -0600
27. Re: Strip attachments?
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:04:49 +0100
28. Re: Strip attachments?
Pascal Oberndoerfer <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:23:06 +0100
29. Re: Strip attachments?
Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:21:43 -0600
30. stopping reports?
Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:31:01 -0500
31. Re: Strip attachments?
"Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:33:59 +0100
32. Re: More than one digest per day?
"Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:39:12 +0100
33. Re: Strip attachments?
Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:24:00 -0600
34. Re: Strip attachments?
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:37:15 -0500
35. Re: More than one digest per day?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:28:06 -0800 (PST)
36. REPOST... stopping reports?
Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:24:23 -0500
37. Command oddities, also with beta
David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:34:16 +0100
38. Re: Strip attachments?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:18:38 -0800
39. Re: stopping reports?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:08:07 -0800
40. Re: Command oddities, also with beta
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:22:29 -0800
41. Prefix/postfix
HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:13:15 +0100
42. Re: Prefix/postfix
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:36:00 -0800
43. Address protection and Reply-to?
David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:54:04 +0100
44. 4.2.2b did something wierd last night...
Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Thu, 01 Mar 2001 08:27:36 -0600
45. Stripping attachements from posts -- help!
mark malowany <mark.malowany at ulec.cius.ualberta dot ca>
Thu, 01 Mar 2001 09:49:09 -0700
46. Re: 4.2.2b did something wierd last night...
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:35:25 -0800
47. Re: Address protection and Reply-to?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:38:13 -0800
48. Re: Strip attachments?
Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:36:17 +0000
49. Re: Strip attachments?
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:12:28 -0800
50. Re: Strip attachments?
Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:12:34 -0800
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:28:46 -0600
From: Charlie Swiszcz <cjs at mcad dot edu>
Subject: Re: Errors in Admin, part deux
>At 10:24 -0500 2/16/2001, Tom Rule wrote:
>
>>In the Admin, I keep getting the same error. I'll select a list, the click
>>the "more list" button. I get an Applescript error:
>>
>>An error occured while executing the script of window "List". no reult
>>was returned from some part of this expression. (-2763)
>
>This could happen if the list name reflects no actual list. I'm not sure how you would get in that situation in the first place.
Tom,
I also have encountered a similar error on a list that had been running for several months. Related symptom - email un/subscribe commands would appear to work (positive email response to command returned) however the database did not reflect the change. T
his list was using the built-in database. It seems the database file had corrupted. Rebuilt the database file and list management via admin and email returned to normal.
cjs
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:48:30 +0100
From: David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Subject: resource not found -192 error
When I start Admin, I get a resource not found -192 error.
-1728 Can't get length pops up on the second try.
dss
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David S. Stodolsky, PhD PGP: 0x35490763 david.stodolsky at ddf dot dk
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:19:22 +0100
From: David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Subject: Re: AutoShare.CGI?
At 9:41 AM -0800 2001-02-18, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>>I can't get AutoShare.CGI to work under Personal Web Sharing with MOS
>>9.0.4. I set the prefs to Launch at suffix, which is set to .CGI, but the
>>system just hangs and eventual gives:
>>A CGI or internal server component could not complete the requested action.
>>
>>My request:
>>http://192.168.1.2:1080/AutoShare.CGI
>>
>>I tried to look at "autoshare cgi client", but this hangs the system, when
>>double-clicked.
>
>"autoshare cgi client" is a regular compiled script. If it hangs when
>you double-click it and before you get a chance to do anything else
>such as pressing the Run button, the culprit is likely not the
>script, but rather something with your system, and that could be one
>of many things. Have you tried starting up "autoshare cgi client" on
>another Mac?
It does work on another system. Can it be used to replace Admin? I just
want the most bug free way to administer all features.
>
>Since you mention Mac OS 9.0.4, the following web page may be of interest.
> <http://www.AppleScriptSourcebook.com/applescript/applescript140.html>
>You're basically encouraged to download the AppleScript 1.4.3 updater from
> <http://asu.info.apple.com/swupdates.nsf/artnum/n11683>
Script editor 1.4.3 already installed. Is something beyond the default
install needed?
dss
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David S. Stodolsky, PhD PGP: 0x35490763 david.stodolsky at ddf dot dk
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:36:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: resource not found -192 error
On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, David Stodolsky wrote:
> When I start Admin, I get a resource not found -192 error.
> -1728 Can't get length pops up on the second try.
I would suggest the system checks previously noted to make sure all is
well on your computer. You may also want to try another computer.
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:44:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare.CGI?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, David Stodolsky wrote:
> It does work on another system.
Good to hear.
> Can it be used to replace Admin? I just want the most bug free
> way to administer all features.
There was a small error in 4.2.1 for when the Admin is starting up, which
was fixed in the 4.2.2 betas (including both AutoShare server and the
Admin). The error was fairly harmless and doesn't look like anything you
have mentioned, but I do recommend the upgrade.
> Script editor 1.4.3 already installed. Is something beyond the default
> install needed?
This updater includes a few fixes, in part for non-US systems. I don't
know if it'll help you, but it can't hurt to upgrade.
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:41:33 -0600
Subject: Getting started again...
From: Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Hello list;
I'm trying to get back to using Autoshare again after being away for a
couple of months moving my servers around. I downloaded the new Autoshare
and am trying to get it running on my new e-mail/list server [Quadra 700,
system 7.6.1, SIMS 1.8b8]. My problem is, I can't get Autoshare to run. I
launch the application [68K] and get the familiar white window with the time
status. Here is where everything stops. The time doesn't count up, I can't
access any menus, can't click out of the application. Frozen. I have to
force restart the machine. This actually happens on any machine I try to run
Autoshare on, PPC or 68K.
It has been a while since I first set things up [version 4.0] on a different
machine with EIMS. Is there an osax I'm missing? Anyone have a clue? I'd go
back to version 4.0 to try that, but I trashed all but the essentials on the
other server, and I'm left with only the PPC version.
Regards;
Jeff
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:31:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Getting started again...
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Jeff Folk wrote:
> I'm trying to get back to using Autoshare again after being away for a
> couple of months moving my servers around. I downloaded the new Autoshare
> and am trying to get it running on my new e-mail/list server [Quadra 700,
> system 7.6.1, SIMS 1.8b8]. My problem is, I can't get Autoshare to run. I
> launch the application [68K] and get the familiar white window with the time
> status. Here is where everything stops. The time doesn't count up, I can't
> access any menus, can't click out of the application. Frozen. I have to
> force restart the machine. This actually happens on any machine I try to run
> Autoshare on, PPC or 68K.
>
> It has been a while since I first set things up [version 4.0] on a different
> machine with EIMS. Is there an osax I'm missing? Anyone have a clue? I'd go
> back to version 4.0 to try that, but I trashed all but the essentials on the
> other server, and I'm left with only the PPC version.
I'd merge the 4.2.2 beta stuff into the 4.2.1 archive and take it from
there. Hope that works for you. I think I experienced something like you
did somewhere in the middle of the 4.2.1 betas.
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:55:52 -0600
Subject: Re: Getting started again...
From: Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
It looked like the same thing was going to happen again... I decided to give
it some time. It took a couple of minutes but figured out that the paths in
the preferences didn't exist and I was able to choose new folder paths.
Thanks Mikael, 4.2.1 probably would have done the same if I wasn't so
impatient. ;-) We'll see how 4.2.2 does. Thanks for a great tool!
Regards;
Jeff
> Subject: Re: Getting started again...
>
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Jeff Folk wrote:
>
>> It has been a while since I first set things up [version 4.0] on a different
>> machine with EIMS. Is there an osax I'm missing? Anyone have a clue? I'd go
>> back to version 4.0 to try that, but I trashed all but the essentials on the
>> other server, and I'm left with only the PPC version.
>
> I'd merge the 4.2.2 beta stuff into the 4.2.1 archive and take it from
> there. Hope that works for you. I think I experienced something like you
> did somewhere in the middle of the 4.2.1 betas.
>
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:59:05 +0100
Subject: More than one digest per day?
From: "Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
Is there an easy way to have more than one digest sent per day, e.g. at
9 a.m. _and_ 5 p.m.?
Thanks
Pascal
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:00:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 18 Feb 2001
The list works, and files are setup where they need to be.
(mds_info at list.mds.macon.ga dot us, for example. We got the DNS problem
fixed. I just have to get a "real" info document written.)
This problem began during a confusing setup process (which happens when
you can only work on setting up something 30 minutes twice a week). I
first installed 4.1.1 with all the sample lists, then tried to setup my
own, including a poll. Messed something up, and sent EIMS/Autohsare into a
loop. After I managed to get out of the loop, I noticed that 4.1.2 had
been posted. Downloaded and installed it - still had the email loop.
FInally located and deleted the files causing the loop (leftover mail
files I'd missed), then started getting the Applescript errors. So I
downgraded back to 4.1.1 (this time being carefull to find and delete
EVERYTHING). Still have the Applescript errors.
Is it possible that:
1. the errors are caused by some of the admin fields being left blank? (in
"more lists", the boxes on the right hand side [subdribers, etc.])
2. something weird has happened with the prefs file?
>
> >In the Admin, I keep getting the same error. I'll select a list, the click
> >the "more list" button. I get an Applescript error:
> >
> >An error occured while executing the script of window "List". no reult
> >was returned from some part of this expression. (-2763)
>
> This could happen if the list name reflects no actual list. I'm not
> sure how you would get in that situation in the first place.
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:09:05 +0100
From: David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Subject: Re: resource not found -192 error
>When I start Admin, I get a resource not found -192 error.
>-1728 Can't get length pops up on the second try.
>
After the ensuring that I had the latest AS, I still get these. I also get
a -35 when I try to create a new list. This is with "OS 9.0.4 All" set in
Extensions CP on my G3. Autoshare itself is on a G4 with SIMS installed.
Communication via AppleTalk over Ethernet.
If I persist, restarting when bugs lock up Admin, the results still seem
odd. I choose all security options. I was particularly interested in the
substitution of names with tokens, however, the result was that the names
appear, but with a number added:
From: David Stodolsky <1229496570>
dss
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:14:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: More than one digest per day?
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Pascal Oberndoerfer wrote:
> Is there an easy way to have more than one digest sent per day, e.g. at
> 9 a.m. _and_ 5 p.m.?
If you know AppleScript, the Send Digests command is very easy to use.
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:45:04 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: resource not found -192 error
At 18:09 +0100 2/20/2001, David Stodolsky wrote:
>This is with "OS 9.0.4 All" set in Extensions CP on my G3. Autoshare
>itself is on a G4 with SIMS installed. Communication via AppleTalk
>over Ethernet.
The Admin is not on the same Mac as AutoShare? That changes things.
One thing you need at the very least is a copy of the AutoShare
AppleScript dictionary in the same folder as the Admin. You can find
it there in the AutoShare Archive, or if you're running the beta,
just place a copy of AutoShare there instead. This AutoShare won't
run, but provides a local copy of the dictionary. That's how
AppleScript works... Remember to keep all of your versions the same.
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:48:48 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 18 Feb 2001
At 10:00 -0500 2/20/2001, Tom Rule wrote:
>Is it possible that:
>1. the errors are caused by some of the admin fields being left blank? (in
>"more lists", the boxes on the right hand side [subdribers, etc.])
>2. something weird has happened with the prefs file?
Anything is possible, I guess. I would recommend that you take things
from scratch, step by step. Once one step is tested to be fine, then
move on to the next move. It feels slow at first, but it's soon the
quickest approach.
Date: 20 Feb 01 16:19:34 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: resource not found -192 error
Reply to: Re: resource not found -192 error
I have been experiencing this problem since upgrading to 4.2.1. I get
only the -192 error, and despite the error everything seems to work
correctly. There is a file named Autoshare in the file with the Admin
program (which is on the same machine as the Autoshare Server). That file
is a ResEdit Document and is, I assume, the Autoshare dictioinary Mikael
refers to below.
I don't seem to have any problems because of the message, but it does
bother me.
Mikael???
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
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Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 18:09 +0100 2/20/2001, David Stodolsky wrote:
>
>>This is with "OS 9.0.4 All" set in Extensions CP on my G3. Autoshare
>>itself is on a G4 with SIMS installed. Communication via AppleTalk
>>over Ethernet.
>
>The Admin is not on the same Mac as AutoShare? That changes things.
>One thing you need at the very least is a copy of the AutoShare
>AppleScript dictionary in the same folder as the Admin. You can find
>it there in the AutoShare Archive, or if you're running the beta,
>just place a copy of AutoShare there instead. This AutoShare won't
>run, but provides a local copy of the dictionary. That's how
>AppleScript works... Remember to keep all of your versions the same.
>
>RFC822 header
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:46:37 +0100
From: David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Subject: Re: resource not found -192 error
>At 18:09 +0100 2/20/2001, David Stodolsky wrote:
>
>>This is with "OS 9.0.4 All" set in Extensions CP on my G3. Autoshare
>>itself is on a G4 with SIMS installed. Communication via AppleTalk
>>over Ethernet.
>
>The Admin is not on the same Mac as AutoShare? That changes things.
>One thing you need at the very least is a copy of the AutoShare
>AppleScript dictionary in the same folder as the Admin. You can find
>it there in the AutoShare Archive, or if you're running the beta,
I have "AutoShare" a ResEdit 1.2 doc in the same folder as Admin.
dss
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:03:38 -0600
Subject: Re: resource not found -192 error
From: Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Yup, that's the AppleScript dictionary. The version should be the same as
the version of AutoShare you are running. I think if you are running the
4.2.2 beta, you have to have the APPLICATION in that folder, cause I didn't
get a new resedit document with the beta.
Thanks for clearing that up with me. I was getting some wierd happenings...
> From: David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
> Reply-To: Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk <AutoShare-Talk at lists.pensive dot org>
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:46:37 +0100
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> Subject: Re: resource not found -192 error
>
> I have "AutoShare" a ResEdit 1.2 doc in the same folder as Admin.
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:02:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Subject: Aha!
Thanks to whoever it was pointed me in the right direction (Apologies! I
didn't write down who it was, and I've got to go teach)
I had manually setup the documents in the List Server folder using
Simpletext BEFORE I set up the list in the Admin. When I pulled "my" docs
out of the folder, ***poof*** the problem disappeared.
Probably also had something to do with how I had the database set.
Thanks to all!
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:00:01 +0100
Subject: Re: More than one digest per day?
From: "Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
> If you know AppleScript, the Send Digests command is very easy to use.
Thanks, it works (I put an alias to the Script in the 'Launch' folder).
Unfortunately it doesn't clear the digest. Any ideas what I am missing?
(My Apple-Script tells AutoShare to 'Send Digests "@"')
Maybe I just didn't understand the Apple-Script dictionary.
Pascal
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:25:31 -0600
Subject: Strip attachments?
From: Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
I'm racking my brain, searching the docs and basically having no luck. I
want to set my list to either 1) [preferable] strip attachments from list
posts, or 2) refuse a list post because it has an attachment. I tried the
'k' in the 'Yet more list' list stuff field, but my attachment went through
and my footer was stripped. I know this is easy, can some one make a fool of
me?
Thanks;
Jeff
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:38:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: More than one digest per day?
On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Pascal Oberndoerfer wrote:
> (My Apple-Script tells AutoShare to 'Send Digests "@"')
Close. Do Send Digests Email "@".
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:01:48 -0500
From: David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
On 2/21/01 2:25 PM, "Jeff Folk" <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com> wrote:
> I'm racking my brain, searching the docs and basically having no luck. I
> want to set my list to either 1) [preferable] strip attachments from list
> posts, or 2) refuse a list post because it has an attachment. I tried the
> 'k' in the 'Yet more list' list stuff field, but my attachment went through
> and my footer was stripped. I know this is easy, can some one make a fool of
> me?
>
> Thanks;
> Jeff
Make 2 fools by helping this one figure out how to allow the attachments to
go through, but not display them in the web archives with all the html
code...
--
David Patschke
Director of Technologies
School of Communications Design
University of Baltimore
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:57:15 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: resource not found -192 error
At 16:19 -0600 2/20/2001, Chuck Boody wrote:
>I don't seem to have any problems because of the message, but it
>does bother me.
>
>Mikael???
My recommendation is to use the 4.2.2 beta. I ran some tests today,
and while 4.2.1 came up with the -192 error, 4.2.2b did not. The
tests involved two Macs, one 9.0.4 and one 9.1, back and forth. No
problems with 4.2.2b at all.
The reason why I haven't released 4.2.2 is that I upgraded to version
3.4b of the so-called Universal Interfaces of C and Pascal a while
back. Since then, the PPC version wouldn't compile, while the 68K
version does. It's an Apple bug.
At 16:44 -0800 2/18/2001, Mikael Hansen responded to David Stodolsky:
>There was a small error in 4.2.1 for when the Admin is starting up, which
>was fixed in the 4.2.2 betas (including both AutoShare server and the
>Admin).
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:57:38 -0600
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
From: Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Okay, you guys are better people tham me. I would have loved to make a fool
of me. ;-)
Can AutoShare strip the attachment from a list contribution?
TIA;
Jeff
>> I'm racking my brain, searching the docs and basically having no luck. I
>> want to set my list to either 1) [preferable] strip attachments from list
>> posts, or 2) refuse a list post because it has an attachment. I tried the
>> 'k' in the 'Yet more list' list stuff field, but my attachment went through
>> and my footer was stripped. I know this is easy, can some one make a fool of
>> me?
>>
>> Thanks;
>> Jeff
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:54:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Jeff Folk wrote:
> Okay, you guys are better people tham me. I would have loved to make a fool
> of me. ;-)
>
> Can AutoShare strip the attachment from a list contribution?
Maybe, maybe not :-) It's an imperfect science, mostly because there can
be so many different kinds of attachment types to look out for. You're
likely to see that the letter k trick will do some and not others. Are
your BinHex attachments stripped? Let me know which types are not.
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:13:27 -0600
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
From: Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
The test I tried after putting k in the list stuff field was attaching a
jpeg to the list submission. The picture came through but the footer of the
list message was stripped. I haven't tried any other tests.
> Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
>
> Maybe, maybe not :-) It's an imperfect science, mostly because there can
> be so many different kinds of attachment types to look out for. You're
> likely to see that the letter k trick will do some and not others. Are
> your BinHex attachments stripped? Let me know which types are not.
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:04:49 +0100
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
At 14:54 -0800 22/02/01, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>Maybe, maybe not :-) It's an imperfect science, mostly because there can
>be so many different kinds of attachment types to look out for. You're
>likely to see that the letter k trick will do some and not others. Are
>your BinHex attachments stripped? Let me know which types are not.
I've been playing for a long time with a really complex solution to remove
attachments from a list.
The very basic idea is this:
- a PE triggers eudora to get the message sent to a list
- the PE copies the message from eudora, where the attachments appear only
as 'Attachments...' lines
- the PE modifies these lines to match urls of the actual files, that have
been put into the eudora attachments folder which is accessible by ftp
- the PE also modifies the message so that it looks much like an original su
bmission
- the modified message is then submitted to a parallel list
People can be subscribed to the 'main' list or the 'alternative' one. There
is also a Token PE that help them switch from one list to the other wich a
command faked as a regular list request.
There are many issues that still need refining. Some can be resolved thanks
to a few tricks that are satisfying, when not perfect. The main problem is
that with Eudora Light 3, encoding failures from the original message can
break the flow of events - displaying that stupid 'there were errorsŠ'
message I've not been abble to workaround. However, I provide a shortcut
that ensures mail gets delivered anyway, modified or unmodified.
Actually, I'm only testing it on myself. Previous versions had so much
drawbacks that in too many instances, mail didn't get delivered at all and
I had to take this out - complaints :(
But now it has been working for a while and I've never lost mail anymore.
If anyone is interested, I would be glad to discuss further. Many
implementation choices can be refined.
Serge
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:23:06 +0100
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
From: Pascal Oberndoerfer <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
On 23.02.2001 0:13 Uhr Jeff Folk wrote from jfolk at qzoneinc dot com:
> The test I tried after putting k in the list stuff field was attaching a
> jpeg to the list submission. The picture came through but the footer of the
> list message was stripped. I haven't tried any other tests.
Just out of interest: are you sure the footer has really been stripped?
Most of the time (well, AFAIK) it is a problem with the MIME delimiters. The
last one should have two trailing "-"s.
(E.g. something like:
-- <thisIsAMIMEDelimiter> -- )
Quite often you see something like:
<Last Attachment>
-- <thisIsAMIMEDelimiter> --
<footer>
-- <thisIsAMIMEDelimiter>
As a result the last part won't be displayed although it is in the mail.
Have a look at the source text. I would like to know if others have similar
problems.
Pascal
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:21:43 -0600
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
From: Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
<shrug> I don't know about that, I created submission with the e-mail client
software most of my list subscribers are using [OE Mac, yes I know...],
attached a jpeg [Apple-Double encoded], sent it to the list and when the
distribution came back, the jpeg was shown inline and my footer text
[unsubscribe info] was not there.
I've done some quick testing with the most recent version of the other
freeware list software and it successfully blocks the mail. I would rather
not use it because of the other cool things AutoShare does well like -on and
-off list addresses, automatic hard bounce subscriber dropping and mailback
confirmations. It's [hey Mikael, I can use "it's" correctly ;-) ] also FAST,
memory efficient and stable. A little difficult to set up with SIMS, but
hey, I don't set up new lists every day.
Thanks, BTW, Mikael for a SUPER list server!
> From: Pascal Oberndoerfer <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
> Reply-To: Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:23:06 +0100
> To: Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
> Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
>
>> The test I tried after putting k in the list stuff field was attaching a
>> jpeg to the list submission. The picture came through but the footer of the
>> list message was stripped. I haven't tried any other tests.
>
> Just out of interest: are you sure the footer has really been stripped?
>
> Most of the time (well, AFAIK) it is a problem with the MIME delimiters. The
> last one should have two trailing "-"s.
>
> (E.g. something like:
> -- <thisIsAMIMEDelimiter> -- )
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:31:01 -0500
From: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Subject: stopping reports?
Is there a way to stop these reports?
Subject: AutoShare Report for xxxxx-announce
----- AutoShare Log Report, Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:00:36 -----
à Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:29:22
<mailto:outprof-announce.m at outprofessionals dot org>oxxxxxx Member
Announcements
à Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:32:25 xxxxxxxxxg February 2001 Events
Thanks,
___Joe___
_________________________________________________
Joseph D'Andrea JoeDan at West21 dot com
WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century
http://www.west21.com/
_________________________________________________
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:33:59 +0100
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
From: "Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
> Thanks, BTW, Mikael for a SUPER list server!
What else could I say ...
;-)
Pascal
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:39:12 +0100
Subject: Re: More than one digest per day?
From: "Pascal Oberndoerfer" <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Pascal Oberndoerfer wrote:
>
>> (My Apple-Script tells AutoShare to 'Send Digests "@"')
>
> Close. Do Send Digests Email "@".
>
Why does it always seem to have been so obvious afterwards? ;-)
Thanks.
One more and last question concerning this topic:
Can I do this, i.e. send and clear the digests, on a per list basis? We
have lists with very different volume.
(Or is it a feature request?)
Pascal
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:24:00 -0600
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
From: Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
It just dawned on me what you were asking... I haven't been feeling too
good. ;-)
I viewed the source of the list distribution and the footer is there, OE
just doesn't display it because [I guess] of a MIME delimiter problem. But
the MIME attachment is still there.
Have now tried the MIME conversions in 'more misc' and still no joy. I just
won't worry about it. If any infected attachments get transmitted to any
Wndows users, too bad. The Mac users should be okay. ;-)
> Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
>
> Just out of interest: are you sure the footer has really been stripped?
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:37:15 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
I have not found that any type of attachment is reliably stripped. Just
browsing recent submissions, I find .wpd, .doc, .vcf, .gif, and plain
Macintosh text files. I don't know if it is significant, but they all
seem to have headers saying "Content-Type: multipart/mixed", e.g.:
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C09CC2.53883DC0"
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="------------8F3382778033F926F31C333D"
Seems like filtering on the Content-Type might be possible.
On 2/22/01 5:54 PM, Mikael Hansen said:
>On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Jeff Folk wrote:
>
>> Okay, you guys are better people tham me. I would have loved to make a f
ool
>> of me. ;-)
>>
>> Can AutoShare strip the attachment from a list contribution?
>
>Maybe, maybe not :-) It's an imperfect science, mostly because there can
>be so many different kinds of attachment types to look out for. You're
>likely to see that the letter k trick will do some and not others. Are
>your BinHex attachments stripped? Let me know which types are not.
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:28:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: More than one digest per day?
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Pascal Oberndoerfer wrote:
> > Close. Do Send Digests Email "@".
>
> Why does it always seem to have been so obvious afterwards? ;-)
That's why I prefer queued mode in Eudora :-)
> Can I do this, i.e. send and clear the digests, on a per list basis? We
> have lists with very different volume.
> (Or is it a feature request?)
It's a feature request. I've been thinking about it and may implement an
extra boolean property, e.g. Send Digests List "fun-l" Clear true.
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:24:23 -0500
From: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Subject: REPOST... stopping reports?
Is there a way to stop these reports?
Subject: AutoShare Report for xxxxx-announce
----- AutoShare Log Report, Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:00:36 -----
à Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:29:22
<mailto:outprof-announce.m at outprofessionals dot org>oxxxxxx Member
Announcements
à Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:32:25 xxxxxxxxxg February 2001 Events
Thanks,
___Joe___
_________________________________________________
Joseph D'Andrea JoeDan at West21 dot com
WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century
http://www.west21.com/
_________________________________________________
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:34:16 +0100
From: David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Subject: Command oddities, also with beta
On newly setup lists, the List command shows the following oddities:
Unquoted %, Messages, and Lines boxes all show "-1"
The lists seem to work OK. Must these be changed?
OS 9.0.4 with remote admin.
dss
--
David S. Stodolsky, PhD PGP: 0x35490763 david.stodolsky at ddf dot dk
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:18:38 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
Just a small note on the side. You can also limit the lines allowed
in a list contribution, see Admin, Command-L, List. It doesn't remove
the attachment directly, but encourages the subscriber to re-post
without it.
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:08:07 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: stopping reports?
At 09:31 -0500 2/23/2001, Joseph D'Andrea wrote:
>Is there a way to stop these reports?
In the Admin, Command-M, set Log to Off. There are also many ways to
reduce the amount of information in the mailed log reports, e.g. Misc
Stuff (Command J) and List Stuff (Command-L, Yet More List).
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:22:29 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Command oddities, also with beta
At 17:34 +0100 2/25/2001, David Stodolsky wrote:
>On newly setup lists, the List command shows the following oddities:
>Unquoted %, Messages, and Lines boxes all show "-1"
>
>The lists seem to work OK. Must these be changed?
It simply means disabled, as zero or a positive number enables.
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:13:15 +0100
From: HOnza Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Prefix/postfix
I have tried to set up a subject postfix (prefix with a plus sign at
the end) for the list I manage, but AutoShare keeps adding it even to
the messages that already have one.
I am still using AutoShare 4.2b3. Is this the problem? Is this bug
fixed in the current version?
Thanks,
HOnza Koudelka
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:36:00 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Prefix/postfix
At 01:13 +0100 2/27/2001, HOnza Koudelka wrote:
>I have tried to set up a subject postfix (prefix with a plus sign at
>the end) for the list I manage, but AutoShare keeps adding it even
>to the messages that already have one.
>
>I am still using AutoShare 4.2b3. Is this the problem? Is this bug
>fixed in the current version?
This post-prefix repeat has now been fixed. (The PPC version is out
of commission these days, but let me know if you can get along with a
68K version.)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:54:04 +0100
From: David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Subject: Address protection and Reply-to?
Address Protection and Reply-to-sender seem like mutually exclusive
properties in the current beta. That is, the Reply-to header gives the
address of the sender regardless of the Address Protection setting.
It would be nice if the Reply-to header was modified when Address
Protection was invoked, but I see no way to do this, or even to delete the
sender address.
dss
--
David S. Stodolsky, PhD PGP: 0x35490763 david.stodolsky at ddf dot dk
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 08:27:36 -0600
Subject: 4.2.2b did something wierd last night...
From: Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Hi Mikael;
Last night, after two weeks of flawless performance, AutoShare 4.2.2d2 did a
wierd thing. The monthly help file for my list went out, but included the
/subject token in the text and didn't wrap correctly:
> /=subject Monthly HEART-List help file
>
> I realize that some do not keep the original help file that accompanied their
> subscription to a mailing list. Monthly we will send out a document that
> explains the many commands that can be sent to this list server. Additionally,
> unsubscribe and digest ad
> dresses are appended to all list contributions.
The first two lines did not wrap at 75 columns [of course, they do here...],
I don't have AutoShare set to wrap, and that's okay. After that, AutoShare
started wrapping the lines, ignoring the fact that it was cutting words.
Very strange.
My server is set to restart every night at 2:30, apparently AutoShare had
frozen, and the Quadra 700 [system 7.6.1] didn't restart. Had to force quit
AutoShare, then the machine restarted. Now, every launch of AutoShare
results in a freeze. I'm going to install a fresh copy of AutoShare to see
if that helps.
Any ideas?
Regards;
Jeff
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 09:49:09 -0700
Subject: Stripping attachements from posts -- help!
From: mark malowany <mark.malowany at ulec.cius.ualberta dot ca>
I'm trying to prevent users from attaching files (and viruses) to their
posts but have not had any luck in de-activating this feature. I've set the
List Stuff option to 'k' but it seems to have no effect. Test posts I've run
still contain full versions of the original attachment.
Help! Any ideas on how to get this feature working?
cheers
marko
P.S. I've searched the autoshare archives for help and have come across
similar problems described but no solution, e.g.:
>> How do I prevent people from sending attachments to a list? Someone
>> seems to have sent one of the those Outlook viruses to a list I
>> host, and I'd like to prevent it from happening again.
>>
>> I tried adding "k" to the default List Stuff (my lists have a blank
>> List Stuff to pick up the default), but it doesn't seem to do do
>> this.
>
> When you do a Get Info in Finder on the received attachment file, do
> you see a size of zero bytes? When AutoShare suppresses MIME
> attachments, only the attachment body is removed, while the
> attachment wrapper is still there. This may in the receiving e-mail
> client sometimes look like there is an attachment, although the
> attachment body is empty.
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:35:25 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: 4.2.2b did something wierd last night...
At 08:27 -0600 3/1/2001, Jeff Folk wrote:
>Hi Mikael;
>
>Last night, after two weeks of flawless performance, AutoShare 4.2.2d2 did a
>wierd thing. The monthly help file for my list went out, but included the
>/subject token in the text and didn't wrap correctly:
>
>> /=subject Monthly HEART-List help file
>>
>> I realize that some do not keep the original help file that
>>accompanied their
>> subscription to a mailing list. Monthly we will send out a document that
>> explains the many commands that can be sent to this list server.
>>Additionally,
>> unsubscribe and digest ad
>> dresses are appended to all list contributions.
>
>The first two lines did not wrap at 75 columns [of course, they do here...],
>I don't have AutoShare set to wrap, and that's okay. After that, AutoShare
>started wrapping the lines, ignoring the fact that it was cutting words.
>Very strange.
It appears to be that support for long paragraphs somehow wasn't
added to monthly documents the one night long ago that I implemented
this feature. I'll look into it and fix it.
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:38:13 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Address protection and Reply-to?
At 20:54 +0100 2/28/2001, David Stodolsky wrote:
>Address Protection and Reply-to-sender seem like mutually exclusive
>properties in the current beta. That is, the Reply-to header gives the
>address of the sender regardless of the Address Protection setting.
>
>It would be nice if the Reply-to header was modified when Address
>Protection was invoked, but I see no way to do this, or even to delete the
>sender address.
Address Protection is another feature that I added one night long
ago, haven't touched it since. I'll see if I'm up to revisiting it at
another time.
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:36:17 +0000
From: Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
I've just written a PE that strips out all non text parts of mail
with attachments, unfortunately there are a couple of problems with
it..........
1/ does Autoshare check for bounce messages before running the Before
Processing PE?
2/ The PE works as expected if new mail is feed into the File Mail
folder one at a time. If a batch is put into the File Mail folder
some files are missed, it is as if Autoshare starts working on the
file before the PE has finished. Is there any work around for this?
--
Bill Bedford
Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness.
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:12:28 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
At 23:36 +0000 3/1/2001, Bill Bedford wrote:
>I've just written a PE that strips out all non text parts of mail
>with attachments, unfortunately there are a couple of problems with
>it..........
>
>1/ does Autoshare check for bounce messages before running the
>Before Processing PE?
Yes.
>2/ The PE works as expected if new mail is feed into the File Mail
>folder one at a time. If a batch is put into the File Mail folder
>some files are missed, it is as if Autoshare starts working on the
>file before the PE has finished. Is there any work around for this?
AutoShare waits until the PE has finished (given that there are no
timeouts), but sometimes you may notice that the Finder somehow is
slow updating the file system.
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:12:34 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Strip attachments?
At 3:36 PM -0800 3/1/01, Bill Bedford wrote:
>I've just written a PE that strips out all non text parts of mail
>with attachments, unfortunately there are a couple of problems with
>it..........
<snip>
>2/ The PE works as expected if new mail is feed into the File Mail
>folder one at a time. If a batch is put into the File Mail folder
>some files are missed, it is as if Autoshare starts working on the
>file before the PE has finished. Is there any work around for this?
What you might want to do is re-implement your script as a folder
attachment, and point the aliases for EIMS or SIMS to another folder
than the "Filed Mail" folder. Have your folder attachment process files
in that folder one by one, and when done place them into the "Filed Mail"
folder.
FWIW.
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