The AutoShare-Talk list archive ending on 28 Nov 2001
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:42:35 -0700
2. Public E-mailing list
"Michael J. Vinca" <sanctimonious at mac dot com>
Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:58:20 -0400
3. Re: Public E-mailing list
Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:08:36 -0700
4. Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Homes Magazine Webmaster <webmaster at homes-magazine dot com>
Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:31:42 -0700
5. Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:36:53 -0700
6. Logs not being sent
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:28:16 +0200
7. Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:58:38 -0400
8. Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Hansen Ball <hball at atconf dot org>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 08:43:59 -0400
9. Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Pascal Oberndoerfer <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:04:58 +0200
10. Moderated list problem
Philippe Casgrain <casgrain at MAGELLAN.UMontreal dot CA>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:14:20 -0400
11. Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Hans Eriksson <hans at pulver dot com>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:56:02 +0200
12. Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Hans Eriksson <hans at pulver dot com>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:04:26 +0200
13. Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Hansen Ball <hball at atconf dot org>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:16:57 -0400
14. Back to original topic: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:37:33 -0700
15. Email to message author
Andy Alm <andy at almlet dot net>
Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:41:11 -0700
16.
Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:06:05 -0400
17. Re: Email to message author
Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Tue, 25 Sep 2001 23:09:55 -0400
18. Re: EIMS open relay
Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:33:15 -0400
19. Multiple Domains
Shawn Connelly <sconnelly at hyper-systems dot com>
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 06:40:44 -0600
20. Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:19:04 -0400
21. Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:56:49 -0700
22.
Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:30:02 -0400
23. Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:55:03 -0400
24. Security problem - help!
Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:14:21 -0700
25. Re: Security problem - help!
Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Mon, 8 Oct 2001 23:37:12 -0700
26. Web archives not archiving...
Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:16:45 -0700
27. Can't escape from the posts
Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:26:57 -0700
28. HEEEEEEEEELLLLP! (Tip o' the day list type)
Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:32:51 -0400 (EDT)
29. AutoShare & MacOS X
Hans Eriksson <hans at pulver dot com>
Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:36:40 +0200
30. Re: AutoShare & MacOS X
Bill Catambay <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:47:56 -0700
31. Re: AutoShare & MacOS X
Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:16:13 -0800
32. Re: AutoShare & MacOS X
Jon Gardner <jon at food.tamu dot edu>
Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:56:39 -0600
33. Why so many bounces?
Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:22:00 -0500
34. OT (Slightly) EIMS to SIMS migration tips?
Harald Striepe <harald at windholm dot com>
Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:08:38 -0800
35. Re: OT (Slightly) EIMS to SIMS migration tips?
support at pascal-central dot com (Bill M Catambay)
Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:18:53 -0800
36. Re: OT (Slightly) EIMS to SIMS migration tips?
Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:26:34 -0800
37. Re: OT (Slightly) EIMS to SIMS migration tips?
Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Sun, 11 Nov 2001 10:15:24 +0100
38. Re: OT (Slightly) EIMS to SIMS migration tips?
Philippe Casgrain <casgrain at MAGELLAN.UMontreal dot CA>
Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:11:10 -0500
39. Re: OT (Slightly) EIMS to SIMS migration tips?
Chuck Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:15:32 -0500
40. Weirdness - Digests and Logs not right
Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:36:45 -0500 (EST)
41. AutoShare hangs server at startup
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:07:12 +0800
42. Re: AutoShare hangs server at startup
Terry Allen <hmag at ozemail.com dot au>
Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:35:19 +1100
43. Re: AutoShare hangs server at startup
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:56:42 +0800
44. RE: AutoShare hangs server at startup
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
27 Nov 01 08:36:40 -0600
45. RE: AutoShare hangs server at startup
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:13:42 +0800
46. Setup of bounce account
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:06:19 +0800
47. Moderated list not working
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:45:55 +0800
48. Re: Moderated list not working
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:44:54 +0800
49. Re: AutoShare hangs server at startup
Terry Allen <hmag at ozemail.com dot au>
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:12:51 +1100
50. RE: Setup of bounce account
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
28 Nov 01 08:09:33 -0600
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:42:35 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
At 7:27 AM -0700 9/15/01, Mark Hartman wrote:
>I have several domains for which I support e-mail through SIMS's router
>aliasing feature (i.e., "<* at altdomain dot com> = alt-*" redirects all mail
>for users at altdomain.com to the same account prefixed with "alt-" at
>my primary domain.
BTW, I do have "sd2002.hamcon.net" set up in the Hosts entry in AutoShare
Admin, and it doesn't affect the situation.
From: "Michael J. Vinca" <sanctimonious at mac dot com>
Subject: Public E-mailing list
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:58:20 -0400
I want to create a list that anyone can send to, but only the administrator
can subscribe people to. (Posts should be allowed, subscriptions should be
denied).
Should I start with an Open list, and then somehow take away subscribing, or
start with a Private list and somehow add posting? Are either possible? If
so, anyone know how to do it?
Sincerely,
Michael J. Vinca
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:08:36 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Public E-mailing list
Start with an Open list, and set "Post" (under "More List") to No.
At 9:58 AM -0700 9/17/01, Michael J. Vinca wrote:
>I want to create a list that anyone can send to, but only the administrator
>can subscribe people to. (Posts should be allowed, subscriptions should be
>denied).
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:31:42 -0700
From: Homes Magazine Webmaster <webmaster at homes-magazine dot com>
Subject: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
On 09/15/01, Mark Hartman list wrote:
> I have several domains for which I support e-mail through SIMS's router
> aliasing feature (i.e., "<* at altdomain dot com> = alt-*" redirects all mail
> for users at altdomain.com to the same account prefixed with "alt-" at
> my primary domain.
>
> I'm trying to do this for a mailing list, but AutoShare keeps returning
> the message:
>
> Sorry. The user of the recipient address is not valid.
> 550 <committee at sd2002.hamcon dot net>... User unknown
> Please contact listmaster at harthaven dot com
>
> I have the router entry "<* at sd2002.hamcon dot net>=sdham-*" set up in SIMS,
> and the mailing list is set up as sdham-committee at harthaven dot com, which
> (according to the SIMS rules) translate to committee at sd2002.hamcon dot com.
Actually, the SIMS router rules translate 'committee at sd2002.hamcon dot com' to the
local account 'sdham-committee'.
> How can I configure AutoShare to do this?
Have you created SIMS accounts called 'sdham-committee', 'sdham-committee.d'
and 'sdham-committee.m', along with the appropriate aliases between the SIMS
accounts folder and Autoshare's folders?
> Thanks in advance.
73,
de KF6PKR
Christopher Bort | cbort at homes-magazine dot com
Webmaster, Global Homes | webmaster at homes-magazine dot com
<http://www.globalhomes.com/> | PGP public key available on request
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:36:53 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
At 11:31 AM -0700 9/17/01, Homes Magazine Webmaster wrote:
>Have you created SIMS accounts called 'sdham-committee',
>'sdham-committee.d'
>and 'sdham-committee.m', along with the appropriate aliases between the
>SIMS
>accounts folder and Autoshare's folders?
Yes. After some tracing, I've determined that it's Autoshare sending the
bounce message, not SIMS.
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:28:16 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Logs not being sent
Hi all
4.2.3 on 8.6
What can cause logs suddenly not being automaticaly? They used to be sent everyday on midnight. I did not change anything I could remember. Manual sends are ok.
What should I investigate first?
Thanks
Serge
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Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:58:38 -0400
From: Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Subject: Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
I am having more and more trouble with ISPs rejecting mail from my lists
because they say my server is an open relay. I know very little about
this, but I found information suggesting that EIMS 1.3.1 simply cannot
be secured to prevent mail relays. Are other AutoShare users also
experiencing this? It (or something) has caused thousands of
undeliverable messages to clog my server. Is there any secure email
server which AS supports? If not, what other alternatives are there? I
own ASIP 6.2 (which can provide email services) and WebStar 3.x (which
can be upgraded to version 4, which provides email), but I don't know
what to do about lists if I go to one of these for email. Would it be
feasible to use ASIP for email, and use AS for lists? Maybe by setting
up EIMS to send all mail to ASIP, which would accept mail only from
EIMS? I just don't know how to solve this problem. Any ideas?
Charles L. Martin
123 N. McDonough Street
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
FAX 801-881-1246
clmartin at theombudsman dot com
http://www.theombudsman.com
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 08:43:59 -0400
From: Hansen Ball <hball at atconf dot org>
Subject: Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
>I am having more and more trouble with ISPs rejecting mail from my lists
>because they say my server is an open relay. I know very little about
>this, but I found information suggesting that EIMS 1.3.1 simply cannot
>be secured to prevent mail relays. Are other AutoShare users also
>experiencing this? It (or something) has caused thousands of
>undeliverable messages to clog my server. Is there any secure email
>server which AS supports? If not, what other alternatives are there? I
>own ASIP 6.2 (which can provide email services) and WebStar 3.x (which
>can be upgraded to version 4, which provides email), but I don't know
>what to do about lists if I go to one of these for email. Would it be
>feasible to use ASIP for email, and use AS for lists? Maybe by setting
>up EIMS to send all mail to ASIP, which would accept mail only from
>EIMS? I just don't know how to solve this problem. Any ideas?
>
>
>Charles L. Martin
>123 N. McDonough Street
>Decatur, GA 30030
>404-373-3116
>FAX 801-881-1246
>clmartin at theombudsman dot com
>http://www.theombudsman.com
Charles -
The easiest route to take would be to purchase a license for EIMS 3.x (the
latest version).
It's a great mail server, incredibly stable, has no limits on the number of
users it can support, and has great support through a mailing list run by
its author, Glenn Anderson.
I'd highly recommend checking it out.
Cheers,
Hansen
ATC Postmaster
- Appalachian Trail Conference
---Volunteer centered management of the AT since 1925---
- Phone: 304/535-6331 FAX: 304/535-2667
- Postal: PO Box 807 Harpers Ferry, WV 25425
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:04:58 +0200
Subject: Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
From: Pascal Oberndoerfer <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
Am 21.09.2001 22:58 Uhr schrieb Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>:
> Is there any secure email
> server which AS supports?
I have had good experience with SIMS (Stalker Internt Mail Server, afaik).
You can set it up so it relays only to or from your own domain. Blacklists
are supported too. You will find more info at:
http://www.stalker.com/SIMS/
One draw-back (any others?): you have to use the "old-style" plain text list
format.
hth
Pascal
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:14:20 -0400
From: Philippe Casgrain <casgrain at MAGELLAN.UMontreal dot CA>
Subject: Moderated list problem
Fellow Autoshare users,
Autoshare is great, so great that it has been maintenance-free for the last
two years. However, I have been tearing my hair out with this last problem,
and I hope you can help me.
I have a list, let's call it list-l@biol10. This list is moderated, and
there are two moderators (they are 'allowed to post' manually in list-l). I
have made another list, with the two moderators as members, let's call it
list@biol10 (no -l).
I have set the email address of list-l@bio10 to list@biol10, and I hope
that when someone sends mail to list-l, both moderators will get a copy.
It doesn't work. When comes the time to move the message from list-l to
list, Autoshare has this message:
"File to process: b7cf6620 - not processed (Filter applied)"
I have no filters (that I can see in Auto:Filters).
I can send a message to list@biol10, and the two moderators will get it. I
can change the email address of list-l@biol10 to a real email address (e dot g.
casgrain at magellan.umontreal dot ca) and that email will get the message, as it
should.
Finally, here's the kicker: it used to work! Last fall, I had the same
setup with three moderators and it worked right out of the box. I may have
upgraded to 4.2.2 since (from 2.4? I don't remember) but it worked before
:-(
What did I forget?
Thanks in advance,
Philippe
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:56:02 +0200
From: Hans Eriksson <hans at pulver dot com>
Subject: Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Hi,
what is the name of that mailing list for support of EIMS? How do i subscribe?
cheers
/hans
> >I am having more and more trouble with ISPs rejecting mail from my lists
>>because they say my server is an open relay. I know very little about
>>this, but I found information suggesting that EIMS 1.3.1 simply cannot
>>be secured to prevent mail relays. Are other AutoShare users also
>>experiencing this? It (or something) has caused thousands of
>>undeliverable messages to clog my server. Is there any secure email
>>server which AS supports? If not, what other alternatives are there? I
>>own ASIP 6.2 (which can provide email services) and WebStar 3.x (which
>>can be upgraded to version 4, which provides email), but I don't know
>>what to do about lists if I go to one of these for email. Would it be
>>feasible to use ASIP for email, and use AS for lists? Maybe by setting
>>up EIMS to send all mail to ASIP, which would accept mail only from
>>EIMS? I just don't know how to solve this problem. Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>Charles L. Martin
>>123 N. McDonough Street
>>Decatur, GA 30030
>>404-373-3116
>>FAX 801-881-1246
>>clmartin at theombudsman dot com
>>http://www.theombudsman.com
>
>
>Charles -
>
>The easiest route to take would be to purchase a license for EIMS 3.x (the
>latest version).
>
>It's a great mail server, incredibly stable, has no limits on the number of
>users it can support, and has great support through a mailing list run by
>its author, Glenn Anderson.
>
>I'd highly recommend checking it out.
>
>Cheers,
>Hansen
>
>ATC Postmaster
>
>- Appalachian Trail Conference
>---Volunteer centered management of the AT since 1925---
>- Phone: 304/535-6331 FAX: 304/535-2667
>- Postal: PO Box 807 Harpers Ferry, WV 25425
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:04:26 +0200
From: Hans Eriksson <hans at pulver dot com>
Subject: Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Hansen 6 Charles,
If you run BIG mailing lists, EIMS 1.x has one major advantage over
EMIS 3.x (and EIMS 2.x): it generates one mailing per address, it
does not try to optimize by sending one mail in one shot to all
addressees of one domain.
In my list I have over 3.5k addresses from yahoo.com and when EIMS
3.x tried to send them all in one go, the receiving end (yahoo.com)
complained on to many recipients.
Other than that I love EMIS 3.x and I run it in parallel with 1.x on
another server for usual mail.
But if your list is not that bug, swap to EMIS 3.x! It's better and
much faster and easier.
as for blocking spam, I have my 1.x blcoked so it only accepts local
mailings, no relay there. I can send you some screenshots to show my
config if you want.
What I have read about ASIP it cannot handle multiple domains
completely transparent.
I am longing for Split Mail to be included in AutoShare. I.e. cut a
BIG mailing list into pieces and barf them out one chunk at a time.
Then I could use 3.x also for my big lists.
cheers
/hans
At 08.43 -0400 01-09-24, Hansen Ball wrote:
> >I am having more and more trouble with ISPs rejecting mail from my lists
>>because they say my server is an open relay. I know very little about
>>this, but I found information suggesting that EIMS 1.3.1 simply cannot
>>be secured to prevent mail relays. Are other AutoShare users also
>>experiencing this? It (or something) has caused thousands of
>>undeliverable messages to clog my server. Is there any secure email
>>server which AS supports? If not, what other alternatives are there? I
>>own ASIP 6.2 (which can provide email services) and WebStar 3.x (which
>>can be upgraded to version 4, which provides email), but I don't know
>>what to do about lists if I go to one of these for email. Would it be
>>feasible to use ASIP for email, and use AS for lists? Maybe by setting
>>up EIMS to send all mail to ASIP, which would accept mail only from
>>EIMS? I just don't know how to solve this problem. Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>Charles L. Martin
>>123 N. McDonough Street
>>Decatur, GA 30030
>>404-373-3116
>>FAX 801-881-1246
>>clmartin at theombudsman dot com
>>http://www.theombudsman.com
>
>
>Charles -
>
>The easiest route to take would be to purchase a license for EIMS 3.x (the
>latest version).
>
>It's a great mail server, incredibly stable, has no limits on the number of
>users it can support, and has great support through a mailing list run by
>its author, Glenn Anderson.
>
>I'd highly recommend checking it out.
>
>Cheers,
>Hansen
>
>ATC Postmaster
>
>- Appalachian Trail Conference
>---Volunteer centered management of the AT since 1925---
>- Phone: 304/535-6331 FAX: 304/535-2667
>- Postal: PO Box 807 Harpers Ferry, WV 25425
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:16:57 -0400
From: Hansen Ball <hball at atconf dot org>
Subject: Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
>Hi,
>
>what is the name of that mailing list for support of EIMS? How do i subscribe?
>
>cheers
>/hans
>
Hans-
Check out http://www.usmac.net/eims/index.shtml for the unofficial EIMS FAQ
and mailto:listserv at qualcomm.co dot nz?body=subscribe%20eims-l to subscribe to
Glenn Anderson's EIMS support list.
Also, http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/eims/#resources has some other
resources.
Cheers,
Hansen
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:37:33 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Back to original topic: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Well, except for the response below, the response to my problem here has
been deafening.
At least, _I_ didn't hear anything. :)
Mikael must be on vacation or something
At 11:36 AM -0700 9/17/01, Mark Hartman wrote:
>At 11:31 AM -0700 9/17/01, Homes Magazine Webmaster wrote:
>>Have you created SIMS accounts called 'sdham-committee',
>>'sdham-committee.d'
>>and 'sdham-committee.m', along with the appropriate aliases between the
>>SIMS
>>accounts folder and Autoshare's folders?
>
>Yes. After some tracing, I've determined that it's Autoshare sending the
>bounce message, not SIMS.
I have several domains for which I support e-mail through SIMS's router
aliasing feature (i.e., "<* at altdomain dot com> = alt-*" redirects all mail
for users at altdomain.com to the same account prefixed with "alt-" at
my primary domain.
I'm trying to do this for a mailing list, but AutoShare keeps returning
the message:
Sorry. The user of the recipient address is not valid.
550 <committee at sd2002.hamcon dot net>... User unknown
Please contact listmaster at harthaven dot com
I have the router entry "<* at sd2002.hamcon dot net>=sdham-*" set up in SIMS,
and the mailing list is set up as sdham-committee at harthaven dot com, which
(according to the SIMS rules) translate to committee at sd2002.hamcon dot com.
How can I configure AutoShare to do this?
Thanks in advance.
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:41:11 -0700
From: Andy Alm <andy at almlet dot net>
Subject: Email to message author
Hi.
Is there an AutoShare setting that prevents or enables sending a copy of a
posting to the original author of the message? In all my lists, the author does
not receive a copy of his or her own posting, and I would like to change this.
Perhaps it has to do with my Process Extenders, but I thought I'd check first to
see if there is a setting I am overlooking.
Thanks.
Andy
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:06:05 -0400
From: Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Subject:
iberia unsubscribe fdaley at mindspring dot com all
Charles L. Martin
123 N. McDonough Street
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
FAX 801-881-1246
clmartin at theombudsman dot com
http://www.theombudsman.com
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 23:09:55 -0400
From: Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Subject: Re: Email to message author
It is a subscriber setting. I don't remember where the default is set in
Admin, but probably in More Lists. Anyway, just set the default on for
ACK, and turn it on for existing subscribers who want it.
On Tuesday, September 25, 2001, at 05:41 PM, Andy Alm wrote:
> Is there an AutoShare setting that prevents or enables sending a copy
> of a
> posting to the original author of the message? In all my lists, the
> author does
> not receive a copy of his or her own posting, and I would like to
> change this.
Charles L. Martin
123 N. McDonough Street
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
FAX 801-881-1246
clmartin at theombudsman dot com
http://www.theombudsman.com
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:33:15 -0400
From: Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Subject: Re: EIMS open relay
By plain text list do you mean the mail list archives? Or, or you
talking about the list database?
On Monday, September 24, 2001, at 09:04 AM, Pascal Oberndoerfer wrote:
> One draw-back (any others?): you have to use the "old-style" plain text
> list
> format.
Charles L. Martin
123 N. McDonough Street
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
FAX 801-881-1246
clmartin at theombudsman dot com
http://www.theombudsman.com
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 06:40:44 -0600
Subject: Multiple Domains
From: Shawn Connelly <sconnelly at hyper-systems dot com>
I'm having problem with Autoshare and multiple domains. I have list set up
on two domains, abc.com and def.com. Messages are distributed correctly
through list-def at def dot com, but when the digests are generated, it goes out
through the address list-def.d at abc dot com, and gets bounced.
Any suggestions?
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:19:04 -0400
From: Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Subject: Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
I don't have any large lists (all < 200 subscribers). But I do not get
paid anything for my list, so spending US400$ on 3.x is a bit much.
As for blocking spam relays, I have set up EIMS to block relays, but it
doesn't. I did some searching on the internet, and found that EIMS 1.3.1
cannot really block all relays, just those from sources who make up
domains, or use their own. If they forge my domain, EIMS will relay it.
On Monday, September 24, 2001, at 03:04 PM, Hans Eriksson wrote:
> But if your list is not that bug, swap to EMIS 3.x! It's better and
> much faster and easier.
>
> as for blocking spam, I have my 1.x blcoked so it only accepts local
> mailings, no relay there. I can send you some screenshots to show my
> config if you want.
Charles L. Martin
123 N. McDonough Street
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
FAX 801-881-1246
clmartin at theombudsman dot com
http://www.theombudsman.com
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:56:49 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
SIMS is free and will do what you want; make sure you get the latest
beta version (it's solid, it's just not final yet). I'm running several
lists via AutoShare and SIMS, including (as of today) James Bradley's
GRAVY list.
At 12:19 PM -0700 9/24/01, Charles Martin wrote:
>I don't have any large lists (all < 200 subscribers). But I do not get
>paid anything for my list, so spending US400$ on 3.x is a bit much.
>
>As for blocking spam relays, I have set up EIMS to block relays, but it
>doesn't. I did some searching on the internet, and found that EIMS 1.3.1
>cannot really block all relays, just those from sources who make up
>domains, or use their own. If they forge my domain, EIMS will relay it.
>
>On Monday, September 24, 2001, at 03:04 PM, Hans Eriksson wrote:
>
>> But if your list is not that bug, swap to EMIS 3.x! It's better and
>> much faster and easier.
>>
>> as for blocking spam, I have my 1.x blcoked so it only accepts local
>> mailings, no relay there. I can send you some screenshots to show my
>> config if you want.
>
>Charles L. Martin
>123 N. McDonough Street
>Decatur, GA 30030
>404-373-3116
>FAX 801-881-1246
>clmartin at theombudsman dot com
>http://www.theombudsman.com
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:30:02 -0400
From: Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Subject:
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Charles L. Martin
123 N. McDonough Street
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
FAX 801-881-1246
clmartin at theombudsman dot com
http://www.theombudsman.com
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:55:03 -0400
From: Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Subject: Re: Mailing lists based on alternate domains
Thanks.
I have downloaded the new beta of SIMS, and am studying it in
preparation for switching from EIMS 1.3.1.
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 02:56 PM, Mark Hartman wrote:
> SIMS is free and will do what you want; make sure you get the latest
> beta version (it's solid, it's just not final yet). I'm running several
> lists via AutoShare and SIMS, including (as of today) James Bradley's
> GRAVY list.
>
> At 12:19 PM -0700 9/24/01, Charles Martin wrote:
>> I don't have any large lists (all < 200 subscribers). But I do not get
>> paid anything for my list, so spending US400$ on 3.x is a bit much.
>>
>> As for blocking spam relays, I have set up EIMS to block relays, but it
>> doesn't. I did some searching on the internet, and found that EIMS
>> 1.3.1
>> cannot really block all relays, just those from sources who make up
>> domains, or use their own. If they forge my domain, EIMS will relay it.
>>
>> On Monday, September 24, 2001, at 03:04 PM, Hans Eriksson wrote:
>>
>>> But if your list is not that bug, swap to EMIS 3.x! It's better and
>>> much faster and easier.
>>>
>>> as for blocking spam, I have my 1.x blcoked so it only accepts local
>>> mailings, no relay there. I can send you some screenshots to show my
>>> config if you want.
>>
Charles L. Martin
123 N. McDonough Street
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
FAX 801-881-1246
clmartin at theombudsman dot com
http://www.theombudsman.com
>
>
>
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:14:21 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Security problem - help!
Using AutoShare 4.2.3 and SIMS 1.8b9d11 (latest on both, AFAIK).
AutoShare has a feature where you can hide the "real" account name of the
list (for example, "the-list" becomes "hidden-name") in the "List" window.
Unfortunately, this name gets revealed because the message created sends
only to that address, and therefore SIMS puts it into the headers, as in
the following:
>Received: from adsl-216-102-157-10.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (216.102.157.10)
> by mail03.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 019423930;
> Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:53:51 -0400 (EDT)
>Received: by castor.harthaven.com (Stalker Internet Mail Server 1.8b9d11)
>with FILE id S.0000102862 for <hidden-name.m at harthaven dot com>; Thu, 04 Oct
>2001
>08:42:02 -0700
>Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.123] verified)
> by castor.harthaven.com (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b9d11)
> with ESMTP id S.0000102857 for <the-list at harthaven dot com>; Thu, 04 Oct 2001
However, if the message were to be sent to multiple accounts - including,
for the sake of discussion, a "dummy" account which simply discarded the
message - the hidden-name would not be revealed.
This hasn't been a problem up to now, but I've got someone sending virus-
laden spam out to the list via the supposedly-hidden address because it
gets revealed. I need help with this RIGHT NOW, and I'm very much afraid
that it's going to require an AutoShare revision.
Help!
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 23:37:12 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Security problem - help!
I've created a workaround for a problem that I reported...
At 1:14 PM -0700 10/5/01, Mark Hartman wrote:
>Using AutoShare 4.2.3 and SIMS 1.8b9d11 (latest on both, AFAIK).
>
>AutoShare has a feature where you can hide the "real" account name of the
>list (for example, "the-list" becomes "hidden-name") in the "List" window.
>
>Unfortunately, this name gets revealed because the message created sends
>only to that address, and therefore SIMS puts it into the headers, as in
>the following:
>
>>Received: from adsl-216-102-157-10.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (216.102.157.10)
>> by mail03.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 019423930;
>> Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:53:51 -0400 (EDT)
>>Received: by castor.harthaven.com (Stalker Internet Mail Server 1.8b9d11)
>>with FILE id S.0000102862 for <hidden-name.m at harthaven dot com>; Thu, 04 Oct
>>2001
>>08:42:02 -0700
>>Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.123] verified)
>> by castor.harthaven.com (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b9d11)
>> with ESMTP id S.0000102857 for <the-list at harthaven dot com>; Thu, 04 Oct
>>2001
>
>This hasn't been a problem up to now, but I've got someone sending virus-
>laden spam out to the list via the supposedly-hidden address because it
>gets revealed. I need help with this RIGHT NOW, and I'm very much afraid
>that it's going to require an AutoShare revision.
The workaround is to create a new folder in the SIMS folder (which I call
"List submissions") and attach two folder actions to this folder. One of
the folder actions holds the folder open at all times (so that the folder
actions continue to work) and the other adds a "dummy" destination so that
e-mail server do not add the "for <hidden-name.m at harthaven dot com>" type of
information as in the example above.
If anyone would like a copy of this folder action script, please e-mail me
at <mailto:mark at mymacguy dot com>.
(Mikael: it would still be nice to have an option somewhere to add an
additional "dummy" e-mail address so that this workaround would be
unnecessary...)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:16:45 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Web archives not archiving...
Hi All,
I swapped out machines on my server, and copied all Autoshare files
and preferences to the new machine. The lists are working fine, but
the Web archiving stopped working. I have verified the web path on
the list, but it's still not working. Help!
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Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:26:57 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Can't escape from the posts
I have been having this problem for months, and I have tried
everything to resolve it. I've run out of ideas, and hope someone on
this list could help.
I'm receiving posts on my admin account from one of my mailing lists
that I don't want to receive. The first thing I did was turn off
MAIL option for the admin address. When that didn't work, I
unsubscribed the admin address altogether. That didn't work, so I
removed the admin email from the owner e-mail of the list (in
Autoshare Admin), but I'm still getting posts from the list. This is
like something out of the Twilight Zone. Any ideas???
Bill
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Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:32:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Subject: HEEEEEEEEELLLLP! (Tip o' the day list type)
Is ANYONE on the list running a "tip of the day" type of list? Please
contact me off-list - I'm been trying to get one up and running for 3
months now, and I'd like to compare settings with someone who is
successfully running one. (All my other lists are working, except this
one!)
TIA!
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**************************************************
Tom Rule
Mount de Sales Academy - Macon, GA
Mac Guy, Webmaster, and Co-tech Coordinator
www.mds.macon.ga.us/~trule/
Not your father's church music!
www.vbc-vnbc.org/ministry/music/praiseband
www.mp3.com/TomCo/ Tom&Co Album
www.mp3.com/TomEx/ The Experimental stuff
www.mp3.com/Trule/ The Regular stuff
***************************************************
"The purpose of a liberal arts education is so that when the imminent
nuclear disaster is brought upon us by the engineers and we are all sold
to satan by the business school, there will be someone left to entertain
us."
Theodore Nordenhaug, PhD
Philosophy Department Chair @ Mercer university
Last Chance Lecture, 1998
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:36:40 +0200
From: Hans Eriksson <hans at pulver dot com>
Subject: AutoShare & MacOS X
Hi,
I am contemplating a switch to MacOS X on my Cube where I run EIMS
and AutoShare. I follow the EIMS discussions to that part, i have a
grip on but not AutoShare.
Is anyone running AutoShare under MacOS X/Classic? problems? Anyone
running mailman or another listserver under MacOS X? Comments?
Mikael, any plans on MacOS X?
cheers
/hans
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:47:56 -0700
From: Bill Catambay <bill.m.catambay at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare & MacOS X
At 10:36 PM 10/23/2001 +0200, Hans Eriksson is rumored to have said:
>Is anyone running AutoShare under MacOS X/Classic? problems? Anyone
>running mailman or another listserver under MacOS X? Comments?
I'm having enough troubles running Autoshare on Mac OS 9.0.4. I still
haven't got a fix for my web archiving.
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:16:13 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare & MacOS X
At 10:36 PM +0200 10/23/01, Hans Eriksson wrote:
>I am contemplating a switch to MacOS X on my Cube where I run EIMS
>and AutoShare. I follow the EIMS discussions to that part, i have a
>grip on but not AutoShare.
>
>Is anyone running AutoShare under MacOS X/Classic?
Both EIMS and AutoShare run fine for me in Classic.
>Mikael, any plans on MacOS X?
The AutoShare code was made Carbon-clean (compiled and linked) for
Mac OS X in the early summer before the current 4.2.3 was released,
but the AutoShare X application back then crashed in so many various
situations that I decided to take a break from it all as the compiler
tools weren't all that attractive at that time and as the summer was
ahead. Well, those tools appear to have become a good deal better in
recent weeks, so I just have to find some time and a way to slip into
doing something about it. I did a little tinkering this evening by
stripping out some relatively unnecessary code, and AutoShare X
actually runs and reads and saves preferences and processes message
files. Maybe I'll tinker a bit more with the code this weekend and
write a list of what has been stripped out. But the adventure of
trying it out at that time won't be for the faint of heart.
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:56:39 -0600
Subject: Re: AutoShare & MacOS X
From: Jon Gardner <jon at food.tamu dot edu>
I'd love to have a Mac OS X version of AutoShare...I'd like to switch to
Mac OS X Server, and I don't want to expend the time & effort to
recreate my AutoShare setup in majordomo or anything else. It just
wouldn't be the same.
On Monday, October 29, 2001, at 11:16 PM, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> The AutoShare code was made Carbon-clean (compiled and linked) for Mac
> OS X in the early summer before the current 4.2.3 was released, but the
> AutoShare X application back then crashed in so many various situations
> that I decided to take a break from it all as the compiler tools
> weren't all that attractive at that time and as the summer was ahead.
> Well, those tools appear to have become a good deal better in recent
> weeks, so I just have to find some time and a way to slip into doing
> something about it. I did a little tinkering this evening by stripping
> out some relatively unnecessary code, and AutoShare X actually runs and
> reads and saves preferences and processes message files. Maybe I'll
> tinker a bit more with the code this weekend and write a list of what
> has been stripped out. But the adventure of trying it out at that time
> won't be for the faint of heart.
>
<><
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PGP public key available at <http://food.tamu.edu/pgp/jon.html>
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:22:00 -0500
Subject: Why so many bounces?
From: Charles Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
I suspect I have misconfigured something in AutoShare, which has led to
me (as listmaster) getting a bounce message for every message sent to a
list. I also have been getting an undeliverable mail message for every
message sent to the list, because my server was listed in a black hole
list because I was using EIMS. I guess my recent switch to SIMS should
take care of the latter problem, but it does not seem to have stopped
the former.
Charles L. Martin
123 N. McDonough Street
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
FAX 801-881-1246
clmartin at theombudsman dot com
http://www.theombudsman.com
From: Harald Striepe <harald at windholm dot com>
Subject: OT (Slightly) EIMS to SIMS migration tips?
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:08:38 -0800
I am one of those lucky stiffs, who volunteered to be webmaster for my kids'
school several years ago - turned out to be a longer and more time consuming
stints than I thought. Thankfully, working on Mac has made life easier than
fighting the ongoing guerilla warfare in the windows server realm.
EIMS and Autoshare have been serving us well, but the open relay issue is
forcing a migration to SIMS. Any suggestions on the best approach?
I would hate to have to reinit all accounts manually...
-- Harald
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:18:53 -0800
From: support at pascal-central dot com (Bill M Catambay)
Subject: Re: OT (Slightly) EIMS to SIMS migration tips?
On 11/10/01 at 8:08 AM -0800, Harald Striepe is rumored to have said:
>I am one of those lucky stiffs, who volunteered to be webmaster for my kids'
>school several years ago - turned out to be a longer and more time consuming
>stints than I thought. Thankfully, working on Mac has made life easier than
>fighting the ongoing guerilla warfare in the windows server realm.
>
>EIMS and Autoshare have been serving us well, but the open relay issue is
>forcing a migration to SIMS. Any suggestions on the best approach?
>
>I would hate to have to reinit all accounts manually...
>
Hi,
I'm familiar with EIMS, but not SIMS. Have you considered asking
Qualcomm for an academic discount on EIMS 2.x ? It would resolve
your open relay issues.
Also, since this doesn't really fall under the realm of Autoshare
(although my last two posts were about Autoshare but have gone
unanswered), you might want to subscribe to the Mac Guild mailing
list for general Mac issues such as yours.
http://www.bobrk.com/lmms/mac/
Cheers,
Bill
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Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:26:34 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: OT (Slightly) EIMS to SIMS migration tips?
At 8:08 AM -0800 11/10/01, Harald Striepe wrote:
>EIMS and Autoshare have been serving us well, but the open relay issue is
>forcing a migration to SIMS. Any suggestions on the best approach?
Not sure of the best way to get the accounts set up from EIMS to SIMS, but
once you do, here's how to set up mailing lists under AutoShare using SIMS:
<http://www.mymacguy.com/techinfo.html>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 10:15:24 +0100
From: Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: OT (Slightly) EIMS to SIMS migration tips?
At 8:08 -0800 10/11/01, Harald Striepe wrote:
>EIMS and Autoshare have been serving us well, but the open relay issue is
>forcing a migration to SIMS. Any suggestions on the best approach?
>
>I would hate to have to reinit all accounts manually...
It sounds like you haven't been to the Stalker site yet. Go to <http://www.stalker.com/SIMS/> and read the doc, you will find this:
>Loading User Information
>
>The SIMS Loader utility (included into the SIMS distribution package) allows you to create and update SIMS accounts information using tab-delimited text files. See the documentation that comes with the SIMS Loader utility.
>Converting from Apple Internet Mail Server (AIMS)
>
>The MailShare Loader freeware application allows you to export the account information from MailShare (also known as AIMS and EIMS) into the tab-delimited form that SIMS Loader accepts.
>
>The AIMS->SIMS Converter utility (included into the SIMS distribution package) allows you to copy the contents of AIMS/EIMS mailboxes into SIMS accounts.
Then, you should subscribe to the SIMS list at <SIMS-on at mail.stalker dot com>, there are nice people right there. Setting SIMS with AutoShare is not the easiest thing at first, especially when you're new to
kly. And SIMS+Autoshare makes for the best software companionship I've ever seen, and it's all _free_ ...
Enjoy,
Serge
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//\//\//\\
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:11:10 -0500
From: Philippe Casgrain <casgrain at MAGELLAN.UMontreal dot CA>
Subject: Re: OT (Slightly) EIMS to SIMS migration tips?
>EIMS and Autoshare have been serving us well, but the open relay issue is
>forcing a migration to SIMS. Any suggestions on the best approach?
I have successfully closed my open relay on eims 1.3 (the freeware version)
by specifically allowing connections only from known domains (IIRC). There
may be no need to switch. I don't recall exactly (don't have the server in
front of me) but it was simply a matter of entering domain names in one of
eims' dialogs. It is probably not bulletproof (someone pretending to be
from our domain could use it as a relay) but it certainly satisfied the
ORBS people.
Philippe Casgrain
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:15:32 -0500
Subject: Re: OT (Slightly) EIMS to SIMS migration tips?
From: Chuck Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
I have just made the same switch for the same reason. First, you may
want to subscribe to the SIMS mail list. From the SIMS documentation.
"To subscribe to this mailing list, please send any message to SIMS-
on at stalker dot com. Since the traffic on this mailing list is rather high,
you may want to subscribe in the Digest mode. To subscribe to the List
in the Digest mode, send a message to SIMS-digest at stalker dot com A
searchable archive of the SIMS list is available at
http://mail.stalker.com/Lists/List/SIMS.html
"Joe Laffey has also set up a SIMS Frequently Asked Question page."
Download the latest beta from
ftp.stalker.com, 1.8b8
Read the documentation all the way through, three times in a row, in one
sitting.
Download the CommuniGator software to set up SIMS. The link is in the
documentation.
From the documentation: "The MailShare Loader freeware application
allows you to export the account information from MailShare (also known
as AIMS and EIMS) into the tab-delimited form that SIMS Loader accepts.
"The AIMS->SIMS Converter utility (included into the SIMS distribution
package) allows you to copy the contents of AIMS/EIMS mailboxes into
SIMS accounts."
The documentation has a link to the ftp site where you can download
MailShare. It worked for me only after numerous tries over several days.
1) Quit EIMS.
2) Run MailShare Loader.
3) Run the AIMS>SIMS converter.
None of the list accounts imported correctly, but they did import. But,
you will need to
4) change each List account so that the list account is set to store in
Folder Only. (using communigator).
5) From the AutoShare docs: "In Finder, create an alias to the AutoShare
Filed Mail folder, move the alias file to the Accounts folder inside the
SIMS Folder and rename it to Fun-L@F (this will work as a Save As Files
account in EIMS)."
6) Set the list.m and list.d accounts to discard mail.
7) From the AutoShare docs: "In Finder, create two empty files named
Fun-L.m and Fun-L.d files in the AutoShare List Server folder. Create
Finder aliases for the two files, move the alias files into the SIMS
Accounts folder and rename them to Fun-L.m at L and Fun-L dot d at L dot " BUT, you
already have these subscriber lists. So, make aliases of the files
already in the list server folder, and move them and re-name them as
instructed.
If you have more than one list, follow the steps above for each list.
8) Turn on POP and SMTP as per the documentation
9) set SMTP to Relay for Clients Only.
10) In AutoShare Admin, set the AutoShare Incoming Mail folder to the
SIMS Submitted folder in the SIMS Accounts folder.
Then, you're back in business.
Once things are working, you can set up your blackhole list if you want
(I highly recommend it). When you are ready to do this, search the SIMS
list archives, focusing on the last six months to a year, as things have
changed a lot from older recommendations you will see there.
It took me three weeks to figure this out, and about an hour to do it.
I found it did not work as a background application.
Good luck. I wish I had these step by step instructions. I hope they are
accurate, as it is from memory, albeit very recent memory. Once you do
this, you will be happy with the speed of SIMS. Once it is set up, you
can do everything using a web interface if you want.
On Saturday, November 10, 2001, at 11:08 AM, Harald Striepe wrote:
> EIMS and Autoshare have been serving us well, but the open relay issue
> is
> forcing a migration to SIMS. Any suggestions on the best approach?
>
Charles "Chuck" Martin
Avondale Software
123 N. McDonough St.
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
http://www.theombudsman.com
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:36:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Subject: Weirdness - Digests and Logs not right
I have the logs set to be sent out every morning at 8. The Digests should
be sent out every day at noon.
They are not being sent out at all unless I manually get the program to
send them out. On occasion when I see that line in the Status windows
about "Digests will be sent out in", there is always a ridiculously large
number of negative seconds until they are scheduled to be sent out.
Could this be a corrupted prefs file? Or what?
I'm running 4.2.2 on a MacLC630 with gobs of RAM, so I know that's not the
problem. Any suggestions?
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Mount de Sales Academy - Macon, GA
Mac Guy, Webmaster, and Co-tech Coordinator
www.mds.macon.ga.us/~trule/
Not your father's church music!
www.vbc-vnbc.org/ministry/music/praiseband
www.mp3.com/TomCo/ Tom&Co Album
www.mp3.com/TomEx/ The Experimental stuff
www.mp3.com/Trule/ The Regular stuff
***************************************************
"The purpose of a liberal arts education is so that when the imminent
nuclear disaster is brought upon us by the engineers and we are all sold
to satan by the business school, there will be someone left to entertain
us."
Theodore Nordenhaug, PhD
Philosophy Department Chair @ Mercer university
Last Chance Lecture, 1998
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:07:12 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: AutoShare hangs server at startup
Been using AutoShare for years for several lists and autoreplies.
Currently running AutoShare 4.2.2 with EIMS Server 3.0.3. Have about
12 lists set up but only 2 active.
Whenever AutoShare starts up it hangs the entire server for *over a
minute* before normal processing continues (EIMS Server launches
first but then stalls as AutoShare starts up). I've cleared my log
file and all archives for all lists and it still hangs. I've even
replaced my AutoShare preferences folder and it still hangs! How can
I make this hang-time less? Should I delete lists (from Macintosh
HD:Auto:List Server:) that I'm not using?... Will that help?
Please help! Thanks very much for any insight or suggestions.
Kind regards,
Derek Tom, BBDO Asia Pacific
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:35:19 +1100
From: Terry Allen <hmag at ozemail.com dot au>
Subject: Re: AutoShare hangs server at startup
>Been using AutoShare for years for several lists and autoreplies.
>Currently running AutoShare 4.2.2 with EIMS Server 3.0.3. Have about
>12 lists set up but only 2 active.
>
>Whenever AutoShare starts up it hangs the entire server for *over a
>minute* before normal processing continues (EIMS Server launches
>first but then stalls as AutoShare starts up). I've cleared my log
>file and all archives for all lists and it still hangs. I've even
>replaced my AutoShare preferences folder and it still hangs! How can
>I make this hang-time less? Should I delete lists (from Macintosh
>HD:Auto:List Server:) that I'm not using?... Will that help?
>
>Please help! Thanks very much for any insight or suggestions.
>
>Kind regards,
>Derek Tom, BBDO Asia Pacific
Hi again,
Although I still haven't gotten round to installing Autoshare, I
have seen this issue with the odd mail server such as SIMS, though the
delay isn't as severe as that you mention. Is the server by chance trying
to resolve it's own domain name during this period? Possibly an OS related
problem solved by some update? If you're using prior to Mac OS 9.1, I have
seen this sort of thing solved by going to 9.1 or if on a 68k machine, 8.1.
May not be related, but worth a look.
Bye for now, Terry Allen
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:56:42 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: AutoShare hangs server at startup
Terry, thanks very much for your feedback.
This delay only happens when AutoShare starts up. To be more precise,
it hangs after it initializes preferences and exactly when
AutoShare's Status window says "Time since run: 0 days 0 hours 0
minutes, 5 seconds". I am pretty certain AutoShare does not do any NS
lookups when it starts up. Actually, this delay has been going on for
years now but I just ignored it and it seems to have gotten worse.
I'm running Mac OS 9.1 on a Power Mac 7300/180. AutoShare 4.2.3 now
runs in a 2MB memory partition and EIMS Server with 34MB memory.
Any other thoughts or suggestions are welcome, of course.
Thanks again, Terry.
Best,
Derek
At 7:35 PM +1100 11/27/01, Terry Allen wrote:
> >Been using AutoShare for years for several lists and autoreplies.
>>Currently running AutoShare 4.2.2 with EIMS Server 3.0.3. Have about
>>12 lists set up but only 2 active.
>>
>>Whenever AutoShare starts up it hangs the entire server for *over a
>>minute* before normal processing continues (EIMS Server launches
>>first but then stalls as AutoShare starts up). I've cleared my log
>>file and all archives for all lists and it still hangs. I've even
>>replaced my AutoShare preferences folder and it still hangs! How can
>>I make this hang-time less? Should I delete lists (from Macintosh
>>HD:Auto:List Server:) that I'm not using?... Will that help?
>>
>>Please help! Thanks very much for any insight or suggestions.
>>
>>Kind regards,
>>Derek Tom, BBDO Asia Pacific
>
>Hi again,
> Although I still haven't gotten round to installing Autoshare, I
>have seen this issue with the odd mail server such as SIMS, though the
>delay isn't as severe as that you mention. Is the server by chance trying
>to resolve it's own domain name during this period? Possibly an OS related
>problem solved by some update? If you're using prior to Mac OS 9.1, I have
>seen this sort of thing solved by going to 9.1 or if on a 68k machine, 8.1.
>May not be related, but worth a look.
>
> Bye for now, Terry Allen
Date: 27 Nov 01 08:36:40 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: AutoShare hangs server at startup
Reply to: RE: AutoShare hangs server at startup
Any possibility of a file sitting in the Autoshare folder and needing/
wanting attention right away? Or a list that is scrambled and gets "stuck"
when starting up? Perhaps you could open up the various lists in a word
processor and see if anything is amiss...
Not very good thoughts, but perhaps they will be useful..
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
======
Derek Tom wrote:
>Been using AutoShare for years for several lists and autoreplies.
>Currently running AutoShare 4.2.2 with EIMS Server 3.0.3. Have about
>12 lists set up but only 2 active.
>
>Whenever AutoShare starts up it hangs the entire server for *over a
>minute* before normal processing continues (EIMS Server launches
>first but then stalls as AutoShare starts up). I've cleared my log
>file and all archives for all lists and it still hangs. I've even
>replaced my AutoShare preferences folder and it still hangs! How can
>I make this hang-time less? Should I delete lists (from Macintosh
>HD:Auto:List Server:) that I'm not using?... Will that help?
>
>Please help! Thanks very much for any insight or suggestions.
>
>Kind regards,
>Derek Tom, BBDO Asia Pacific
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:13:42 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: RE: AutoShare hangs server at startup
Chuck, thanks very much for your thoughts and suggestions.
Actually, I got AutoShare to hang much less now.
Here's what I did:
1. Deleted all inactive lists (now only have 7, down from 12) by
deleting all associated files from "Auto:List Server" folder and
"Auto:Archives" folder
2. Deleted all archive and digest files contained within each list
folder in "Auto:Archives" folder (decided I really could do without
them but made backups!)
3. Replaced my entire Autoshare preferences folder ("System
Folder:Preferences:AutoShare" folder) with a new one and reconfigured
all settings
Yup, a lot of trouble I went through but at least things seem to be
running smoother now and the excessive delay at startup is gone.
My experience over the years (5 years, I think!) tells me that
AutoShare preferences file gets corrupt very, very easily. The
auto-generated backup doesn't seem to help either. Quite a pain in
the butt to fix!
Thanks again!
Best regards,
Derek
At 8:36 AM -0600 11/27/01, Chuck Boody wrote:
> Reply to: RE: AutoShare hangs server at startup
>Any possibility of a file sitting in the Autoshare folder and
>needing/wanting attention right away? Or a list that is scrambled
>and gets "stuck" when starting up? Perhaps you could open up the
>various lists in a word processor and see if anything is amiss...
>
>Not very good thoughts, but perhaps they will be useful..
>
>Chuck Boody
>Analyst/Programmer
>ISD 270
>======
>
>Derek Tom wrote:
>>Been using AutoShare for years for several lists and
>>autoreplies. >Currently running AutoShare 4.2.2 with EIMS Server
>>3.0.3. Have about >12 lists set up but only 2 active.
>>
>>Whenever AutoShare starts up it hangs the entire server for *over
>>a >minute* before normal processing continues (EIMS Server
>>launches >first but then stalls as AutoShare starts up). I've
>>cleared my log >file and all archives for all lists and it still
>>hangs. I've even >replaced my AutoShare preferences folder and it
>>still hangs! How can >I make this hang-time less? Should I delete
>>lists (from Macintosh >HD:Auto:List Server:) that I'm not using?...
>>Will that help?
>>
>>Please help! Thanks very much for any insight or suggestions.
>>
>>Kind regards,
> >Derek Tom, BBDO Asia Pacific
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:06:19 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Setup of bounce account
In EIMS, I created an account <bounces at domain dot com> with the mail
action "Save as files" to my AutoShare "Bounce" folder
(MS:Auto:Bounce, for me).
In AutoShare, for Preferences=>Miscellaneous, for "Address of bounce
account" I have it set to bounces at domain dot com.
Is this correct? Anything else I need to do to get this working properly?
Thanks for any insight.
Kind regards,
Derek
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:45:55 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Moderated list not working
Here's my setup:
General List Settings:
Email: listmaster at domain dot com
Name: Listmaster
BAP List Settings:
Email: listmaster at domain dot com
Name: Listmaster
List Type: Moderated
Repy-To: List
Review: Default
listmaster at domain dot com is subscribed to BAP list.
listmaster at domain dot com forwards to my main account.
Preferences=>More Miscellaneous
"RFC From" checkbox is ticked
If a subscriber posts to the list, a message with the following note
is sent back:
************************************************************
This contribution has been forwarded to the moderator
************************************************************
... followed by the original message posted
*But listmaster at domain dot com never receives the posted message.*
The message is supposed to get redirected to the "ListMaster" address
(specified under "Email"), right? (BTW, to be clear, why not re-label
"Email" to "ListMaster address" instead?)
If I change the "List Type" to "Subscription" the list works as a
subscription type list should.
Any ideas where I have gone wrong? Thanks for any insight.
Kind regards,
Derek
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:44:54 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Moderated list not working
Oh, someone, PLEASE help... I know I'm just missing one piece of the puzzle!
Message posts are properly sent back to original sender but not being
delivered to moderator (ListMaster).
I am running a newly configured AutoShare 4.2.3 (although I have been
using AutoShare for 5 years) and I have gone over the documentation
many times! What bit am I missing??
Please help...
At 12:45 PM +0800 11/28/01, Derek Tom wrote:
>Here's my setup:
>
>General List Settings:
>Email: listmaster at domain dot com
>Name: Listmaster
>
>BAP List Settings:
>Email: listmaster at domain dot com
>Name: Listmaster
>List Type: Moderated
>Repy-To: List
>Review: Default
>
>listmaster at domain dot com is subscribed to BAP list.
>listmaster at domain dot com forwards to my main account.
>
>Preferences=>More Miscellaneous
>"RFC From" checkbox is ticked
>
>If a subscriber posts to the list, a message with the following note
>is sent back:
>
>************************************************************
>This contribution has been forwarded to the moderator
>************************************************************
>... followed by the original message posted
>
>
>*But listmaster at domain dot com never receives the posted message.*
>
>The message is supposed to get redirected to the "ListMaster"
>address (specified under "Email"), right? (BTW, to be clear, why not
>re-label "Email" to "ListMaster address" instead?)
>
>If I change the "List Type" to "Subscription" the list works as a
>subscription type list should.
>
>Any ideas where I have gone wrong? Thanks for any insight.
>
>Kind regards,
>Derek
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:12:51 +1100
From: Terry Allen <hmag at ozemail.com dot au>
Subject: Re: AutoShare hangs server at startup
>Terry, thanks very much for your feedback.
>
>This delay only happens when AutoShare starts up. To be more precise,
>it hangs after it initializes preferences and exactly when
>AutoShare's Status window says "Time since run: 0 days 0 hours 0
>minutes, 5 seconds". I am pretty certain AutoShare does not do any NS
>lookups when it starts up. Actually, this delay has been going on for
>years now but I just ignored it and it seems to have gotten worse.
>
>I'm running Mac OS 9.1 on a Power Mac 7300/180. AutoShare 4.2.3 now
>runs in a 2MB memory partition and EIMS Server with 34MB memory.
>
>Any other thoughts or suggestions are welcome, of course.
>
>Thanks again, Terry.
>
>Best,
>Derek
>
Hi again,
It sounds like corrupt preferences of either the Finder or
Autoshare itself. Try trashing the Autohare prefs first. If trashing
neither of these helps, start the machine with Autoshare by itself & see if
the delay still occurs. If not, it may be some obscure conflict with EIMS -
I have read that some people do have problems like this with EIMS in it's
various incarnations, but never seen it personally. hope this helps.
Bye for now, Terry Allen
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Date: 28 Nov 01 08:09:33 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: Setup of bounce account
Reply to: RE: Setup of bounce account
I believe that is correct.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
======
Derek Tom wrote:
>In EIMS, I created an account <bounces at domain dot com> with the mail
>action "Save as files" to my AutoShare "Bounce" folder
>(MS:Auto:Bounce, for me).
>
>In AutoShare, for Preferences=>Miscellaneous, for "Address of bounce
>account" I have it set to bounces at domain dot com.
>
>Is this correct? Anything else I need to do to get this working properly?
>
>Thanks for any insight.
>
>Kind regards,
>Derek
>
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