The autoshare-talk list archive ending on 31 Mar 2003


Topics covered in this issue include:

  1. Looking for example of how to implement an auto-responder with
       John Lubotsky <john at iglhrc dot org>
       Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:24:36 -0700
  2. Re: Looking for example of how to implement an auto-responder
       Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
       Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:36:57 -0500
  3. De-URL Email Addresses in Web Archives?
       Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
       Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:08:55 -0700
  4. 
       Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
       Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:11:05 -0400
  5. 
       Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
       Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:08:49 -0400
  6. Block Attachments
       Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
       Sat, 4 May 2002 12:07:04 +0200
  7. Domain problem
       "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
       Mon, 13 May 2002 16:46:54 +0200
  8. getting through AOL
       Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
       Tue, 14 May 2002 14:56:34 -0400
  9. AutoShare and EIMS 3.1.1?
       Michael Swan <swan at neon dot com>
       Wed, 15 May 2002 14:18:27 -0700
 10. Re: AutoShare and EIMS 3.1.1?
       Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
       Wed, 15 May 2002 16:46:16 -0500
 11. Re: AutoShare and EIMS 3.1.1?
       Michael Swan <swan at neon dot com>
       Wed, 15 May 2002 15:24:26 -0700
 12. attachments (2nd try)
       Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
       Thu, 16 May 2002 08:23:20 +0200
 13. Archiv-Format
       Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
       Thu, 16 May 2002 08:48:09 +0200
 14. Re: attachments (2nd try)
       Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
       Thu, 16 May 2002 07:52:14 +0100
 15. Re: attachments (2nd try)
       Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
       Thu, 16 May 2002 09:15:25 +0200
 16. Autoshare not writing to the list file
       Ferdinand =?iso-8859-1?Q?Schäfer?=  <webmaster at internetworking dot de>
       Thu, 16 May 2002 09:38:32 +0200
 17. Bounce Message Help - 2nd try
       Paul Zobitz <pzobitz at miph dot org>
       Fri, 17 May 2002 09:22:48 -0500
 18. question on "bulk"
       Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
       Wed, 22 May 2002 08:24:21 -0400
 19. Multi-domain hosts and SIMS
       Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
       Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:41:53 -0700
 20. Please Help!  Autoshare missing?
       Paul Zobitz <pzobitz at miph dot org>
       Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:44:18 -0500
 21. Carbonisation/OSX
       leif halvard silli <lhs at russisk dot no>
       Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:21:13 +0200
 22. Getting off of all lists
       Michael J. Vinca <michaelj at vinca dot org>
       Fri, 30 Aug 2002 06:55:58 -0400
 23. Attachments sent to an autoreply account
       Giedo De Snijder <giedo at beaware dot be>
       Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:12:12 +0200
 24. Attachments sent to an autoreply account -part2
       Giedo De Snijder <giedo at beaware dot be>
       Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:34:48 +0200
 25. Attachments sent to an autoreply account
       Giedo De Snijder <giedo at beaware dot be>
       Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:03:09 +0200
 26. Re: Getting off of all lists
       Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
       Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:23:41 -0700
 27. Smarter Bounce Processing?
       Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
       Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:14:20 -0700
 28. AutoShare development stopped?
       Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
       Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:49:24 +0800
 29. Will mangled autoreplies ever get fixed?
       Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
       Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:55:55 +0800
 30. block attachments
       Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
       Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:32:29 +0200
 31. AutoShare Admin
       Francisco Ramos <framos at upsa dot es>
       Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:57:16 +0200
 32. RE: AutoShare Admin
       Laine Lee <LLee at utsa dot edu>
       Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:26:28 -0500
 33. Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 23 Oct 2002
       Lane Roathe <lane at ifd dot com>
       Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:30:39 -0600
 34. Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 23 Oct 2002
       Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
       Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:24:01 -0500
 35. Re: AutoShare Admin
       Francisco Ramos <framos at upsa dot es>
       Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:03:33 +0200
 36. Re: AutoShare Admin
       Lane Roathe <lane at ifd dot com>
       Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:51:31 -0600
 37. I don't want digest archives
       Giedo De Snijder <giedo at beaware dot be>
       Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:03:14 +0100
 38. Everything is an attachment
       Giedo De Snijder <giedo at beaware dot be>
       Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:46:32 +0100
 39. Vacation Notices
       Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
       Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:37:22 -0600
 40. Re: Everything an Attachment
       Steve Wiedemann <swiedem at henninger dot com>
       Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:39:14 -0500
 41. Re: Everything an Attachment
       Pascal Oberndoerfer <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>
       Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:13:25 +0100
 42. Re: Vacation Notices
       Steve Wiedemann <swiedem at henninger dot com>
       Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:14:17 -0500
 43. Re: Vacation Notices
       Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
       Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:15:11 -0600
 44. Re: Vacation Notices
       Paul Zobitz <pzobitz at miph dot org>
       Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:48:50 -0600
 45. Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 27 Nov 2002
       Steve Wiedemann <swiedem at henninger dot com>
       Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:06:27 -0500
 46. Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 27 Nov 2002
       Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
       Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:40:57 -0600
 47. Re: vacation notices, filters
       Steve Wiedemann <swiedem at henninger dot com>
       Thu, 28 Nov 2002 04:32:25 -0500
 48. Header & Footer Documents Not Included
       "Kimberly Cerra" <k at ckwebsites dot com>
       Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:44:47 -0800
 49. Re: Header & Footer Documents Not Included
       Michael J. Vinca <michaelj at vinca dot org>
       Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:07:06 -0500

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:24:36 -0700
From: John Lubotsky <john at iglhrc dot org>
Subject: Looking for example of how to implement an auto-responder with

After long happy use of EIMS and it's limited auto-reply capabilities 
for .vacation messages, I'm finally forced (by nasty mail-back loops) 
to find a new solution.

We've been using Autoshare for lists with no problems. My trouble is, 
I haven't figured out how to successfully setup an auto-responder or 
vacation message, despite pouring over the docs and experimenting.

Can anyone point to an example of how to do this?

And..while I'm wishing..to what extent can Autoshare/EIMS be used to 
automate the process of setting up/changing .vacation notices?  I'm 
thinking an email- or web-based interface where users could do it 
themselves...

Best,
John Lubotsky

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:36:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Looking for example of how to implement an auto-responder
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>

What you want is included in the example scripts with the newest version of
Autoshare.  I haven't a moment to give you chapter and verse, but I think it
will do what you want.  Users can turn notices on and off and can create
their own response message.


Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
==========



On 4/18/02 11:24 AM, "John Lubotsky"  wrote:

> After long happy use of EIMS and it's limited auto-reply capabilities
> for .vacation messages, I'm finally forced (by nasty mail-back loops)
> to find a new solution.
> 
> We've been using Autoshare for lists with no problems. My trouble is,
> I haven't figured out how to successfully setup an auto-responder or
> vacation message, despite pouring over the docs and experimenting.
> 
> Can anyone point to an example of how to do this?
> 
> And..while I'm wishing..to what extent can Autoshare/EIMS be used to
> automate the process of setting up/changing .vacation notices?  I'm
> thinking an email- or web-based interface where users could do it
> themselves...
> 
> Best,
> John Lubotsky


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:08:55 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: De-URL Email Addresses in Web Archives?

It would be very helpful if AutoShare had an option to "de-url" email 
addresses in web archives, to make them harder for spam harvesters. 
For example, it could change "biff@example dot org" to "biff at example 
dot org".  Something simple like this could be very useful.

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:11:05 -0400
Subject: 
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>

iberia subscribe tnderigo at home dot com ss-general-l Tim Derigo
Charles L. Martin
123 N. McDonough Street
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
FAX 801-881-1246
mailto:clmartin at theombudsman dot com
http://www.theombudsman.com


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:08:49 -0400
Subject: 
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>

iberia subscribe SAPPeshka at aol dot com ss-general-l Marcia B. Parsons
Charles L. Martin
123 N. McDonough Street
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
FAX 801-881-1246
mailto:clmartin at theombudsman dot com
http://www.theombudsman.com


Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 12:07:04 +0200
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Block Attachments

Hello,

I'm looking for a way to block all attachments for a single autoshare list.

Any ideas?

Best,

Detlef

Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:46:54 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Domain problem

Hi all,

I have a subscribers-only list where most users are 
user at company.domain dot fr, but a few of them keep messing with their 
mail settings and have a return address of 
user at mailserver.company.domain dot fr. Is there a way I can tell AS that 
mailserver.company.domain.fr is the same that company.domain.fr thus 
not rejecting valid mail?

Thanks in advance,

Serge
--
  \\//\//\//  Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose   Institut Jacques Monod - Jussieu
   // // //   http://www.ijm.jussieu.fr/  Universites Paris VI, VII & CNRS
  //\//\//\\

Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:56:34 -0400
From: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Subject: getting through AOL

Is there any way that we can either

a) remove the "bulk" precedence header
b) change the number of reciepients to a really low number
c) both

Thanks,
--joe
____________________________________________________________
Joseph D'Andrea ~ http://www.west21.com/ ~ JoeDan at West21 dot com
      WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century
         webhosting ~ co-location ~ wireless access
            WebCat and MGI database programming
____________________________________________________________

Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:18:27 -0700
From: Michael Swan <swan at neon dot com>
Subject: AutoShare and EIMS 3.1.1?

Hi,

We're having a little trouble with an AutoShare list server interacting
with EIMS Server Light 3.1.1, which we recently upgraded from 1.3.
The AutoShare version is 4.2.3d1. We're running this on an iMac running
OS 9.0.4 with 64Mb physical memory and quite a bit of unused disk space.
There are several other servers running on this iMac also.

The problem is this: AutoShare is writing text files (TEXT/ttxt) which
do have the two STR and STR# 8192 resources, both of which look fine
to us. However, EIMS seems not to be processing them. They just sit in
the Incoming Mail folder. There appear to be no EIMS log messages or
other indications that EIMS is unhappy with the files.

I've tried restarting EIMS and the machine. I've read all available
documentation and FAQs on both the AutoShare site and the EIMS site.

AutoShare and EIMS 1.3 played together just fine. The bad behavior
started occurring after upgrading to EIMS 3.1.1.

Does this sound like a familiar problem? What can I do about it?

Michael Swan
Neon Software, Inc.

Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:46:16 -0500
Subject: Re: AutoShare and EIMS 3.1.1?
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>

This sounds like a problem in defining the folders in Autoshare. Double
check those settings.  Did you upgrade Autoshare?  The default location of
the folders changed.  Did you freshly install EIMS?  Thin incoming mail
folder moved.  These are just examples, but I'll bet that somewhere among
these possibilities the answer to your problem lies.

Good Luck


Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
==========
On 5/15/02 4:18 PM, "Michael Swan"  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> We're having a little trouble with an AutoShare list server interacting
> with EIMS Server Light 3.1.1, which we recently upgraded from 1.3.
> The AutoShare version is 4.2.3d1. We're running this on an iMac running
> OS 9.0.4 with 64Mb physical memory and quite a bit of unused disk space.
> There are several other servers running on this iMac also.
> 
> The problem is this: AutoShare is writing text files (TEXT/ttxt) which
> do have the two STR and STR# 8192 resources, both of which look fine
> to us. However, EIMS seems not to be processing them. They just sit in
> the Incoming Mail folder. There appear to be no EIMS log messages or
> other indications that EIMS is unhappy with the files.
> 
> I've tried restarting EIMS and the machine. I've read all available
> documentation and FAQs on both the AutoShare site and the EIMS site.
> 
> AutoShare and EIMS 1.3 played together just fine. The bad behavior
> started occurring after upgrading to EIMS 3.1.1.
> 
> Does this sound like a familiar problem? What can I do about it?
> 
> Michael Swan
> Neon Software, Inc.


Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:24:26 -0700
From: Michael Swan <swan at neon dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare and EIMS 3.1.1?

>Hi Chuck,


Thanks for your kind reply.

Yes, we think it might be a problem in the AutoShare defined folders, too.
We do realize the incoming mail folder has changed in EIMS 3.1.1. We did
reset the AutoShare Incoming Mail folder setting and AutoShare does
write the text files to that folder.

Our AutoShare version is the very latest, we believe, at 4.2.3d1.

Yes, we freshly installed EIMS Server Light 3.1.1 when we upgraded from
its demo version and from a very old version 1.3.1.

Actually, I think we may have just figured out the problem. In the fine
print of the EIMS Server Light 3.1.1 description, it explicitly states
that the "Incoming Mail folder is not supported." Guess it's time to
upgrade to the non-Light version.

Michael Swan
Neon Software, Inc.

>This sounds like a problem in defining the folders in Autoshare. Double
>check those settings.  Did you upgrade Autoshare?  The default location of
>the folders changed.  Did you freshly install EIMS?  Thin incoming mail
>folder moved.  These are just examples, but I'll bet that somewhere among
>these possibilities the answer to your problem lies.
>
>Good Luck
>
>
>Chuck Boody
>Analyst/Programmer
>ISD 270
>==========
>On 5/15/02 4:18 PM, "Michael Swan"  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We're having a little trouble with an AutoShare list server interacting
>> with EIMS Server Light 3.1.1, which we recently upgraded from 1.3.
>> The AutoShare version is 4.2.3d1. We're running this on an iMac running
>> OS 9.0.4 with 64Mb physical memory and quite a bit of unused disk space.
>> There are several other servers running on this iMac also.
>>
>> The problem is this: AutoShare is writing text files (TEXT/ttxt) which
>> do have the two STR and STR# 8192 resources, both of which look fine
>> to us. However, EIMS seems not to be processing them. They just sit in
>> the Incoming Mail folder. There appear to be no EIMS log messages or
>> other indications that EIMS is unhappy with the files.
>>
>> I've tried restarting EIMS and the machine. I've read all available
>> documentation and FAQs on both the AutoShare site and the EIMS site.
>>
>> AutoShare and EIMS 1.3 played together just fine. The bad behavior
>> started occurring after upgrading to EIMS 3.1.1.
>>
>> Does this sound like a familiar problem? What can I do about it?
>>
>> Michael Swan
>> Neon Software, Inc.


Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:23:20 +0200
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: attachments (2nd try)

Hello,

I posted this question to the list some days before and got no response - so I'll try again:

Does someone know a way to block all attachments but just for one single list and not for all lists?

Any ideas are welcome!

Cheers,

Detlef

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:48:09 +0200
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Archiv-Format

Hello,

the format of the archiv overview isn't very nice - has anyone found a way to improve the sorting of the archive index?

Detlef

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:52:14 +0100
From: Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: attachments (2nd try)

At 8:23 am +0200 16/05/02, Detlef Beyer wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I posted this question to the list some days before and got no 
>response - so I'll try again:
>
>Does someone know a way to block all attachments but just for one 
>single list and not for all lists?
>
>Any ideas are welcome!
>

I have a apple script that does just this.


-- 

Bill Bedford

You can win or you can have peace, but not at the same time.

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:15:25 +0200
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Re: attachments (2nd try)

Hello Bill,

>I have a apple script that does just this.

can I get the script - that would be really nice?! How does the script affect the performance of Autoshare? There is some traffic on the list with around 350 member and between 5-10 postings a day.

Cheers,

Detlef

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:38:32 +0200
From: Ferdinand =?iso-8859-1?Q?Schäfer?=  <webmaster at internetworking dot de>
Subject: Autoshare not writing to the list file

Hi all,

we have several lists running well. I set up an new list with the 
same config as others. You can subscribe , unsubscribe and get the 
mail answers. Rewiew and commands are working, but after subscribing, 
autoshare does not add the address to the list file, but it sends out 
the confirmation that you are subscribed.
with the admin application, you can add users and autoshare add them 
to the list file. I deleted the list and started from scratch but the 
list file for the new list is not updated.

any ideas, what could be wrong.

Thanks a lot

Ferdinand Schaefer

Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:22:48 -0500
From: Paul Zobitz <pzobitz at miph dot org>
Subject: Bounce Message Help - 2nd try

Hello,

I send this question a few months ago and got no response.  Is there 
anyone that can help with the following?  Please help.

We have the Autobounce feature set up so that if an address is 
invalid, Autoshare handles the sending of the bounce message.  That 
works great with one exception:

How can we tell the person the bad email address?  E.g. if a person 
sends a message

To: good_address at miph dot org, bad_address at miph dot org
From: jdoe@somewhere


Is there a way for the bounce message to say:

Your message to "bad_address@miph dot org" failed because the user 
"bad_address@miph dot org" is not valid.


Currently we have a generic message that makes it nearly impossible 
for the person to know which address was bad.

Thanks for any help the list can provide.

Paul

Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 08:24:21 -0400
From: Joseph D'Andrea <JoeDan at West21 dot com>
Subject: question on "bulk"

Is it possible to remove the 'bulk' header from autoshare generated mail?
____________________________________________________________
Joseph D'Andrea ~ http://www.west21.com/ ~ JoeDan at West21 dot com
      WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century
         webhosting ~ co-location ~ wireless access
            WebCat and MGI database programming
____________________________________________________________

Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:41:53 -0700
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Multi-domain hosts and SIMS

I'm running SIMS 1.8b9d12 and AutoShare 4.2.3.

SIMS handles multiple domains with a router trick; the router is set, for
example, to route *@domain1.tld to domain1-* at normaldomain dot com.  I have a
secondary domain for which I'm trying to set up list services without
exposing my "normal" domain name; has anyone does this successfully, and
could they please point out how to do it?  (Yes, I've set the "hosts" to
contain the desired secondary domain; no help.)

Thanks in advance.

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:44:18 -0500
From: Paul Zobitz <pzobitz at miph dot org>
Subject: Please Help!  Autoshare missing?

Hello,

Last week I upgraded our mail/web server to an OS X box. We run EIMS 
3.0.3 and Autoshare 4.2.3 in Classic on the box.  After the upgrade 
and fighting with OS X file permissions I had autoshare working. 
Sending messages brought the intended result.

Now, suddenly Autoshare seems to have gone deaf.  When I send a 
message to a list (or even to autoshare) I don't get any response 
back.

If I look in the Autoshare window on the server, it says "Last 
message processed: " with the proper message that I just sent.  It 
seems like Autoshare can get mail but not return anything.

I know of nothing that has changed on the machine between last week and today.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to troubleshoot and fix this one?

Thanks,

Paul

Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:21:13 +0200
From: leif halvard silli <lhs at russisk dot no>
Subject: Carbonisation/OSX

Hi -- I saw in a message from around 29 Oct 2001 21:16:13 that you 
are working with carbonisation of AutoShare, Michael.  

Are there any news about that now? (Sorry if I overlooked something, 
I tried browsing through the archives.)
-- 
leif

Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 06:55:58 -0400
Subject: Getting off of all lists
From: Michael J. Vinca <michaelj at vinca dot org>

I know that there is a mechanism in Autoshare that when an address 
bounces, they can be subscribed off ALL lists, instead of just one.

Does anyone know of a way this can be done for unsubscribing. For 
example, could someone send a message to autoshare saying unsubscribe 
All instead of unsubscribe <list name> ?



Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:12:12 +0200
From: Giedo De Snijder <giedo at beaware dot be>
Subject: Attachments sent to an autoreply account

Hi,

One of my customers has an autoreply set up in AutoShare and EIMS.
In EIMS both the login checkbox and  the account checkbox are enabled 
for that account.
When somenone sends a message to that autoreply account, the sender 
gets the autoreply text back and the original message is sent to 
another account.
When someone sends a message with an attachment to the autoreply 
account, the following happens.
Opening the attachment from the autoreply account shows an attachment 
which is unreadable while the attrachment is properly seenfor the 
account which gets the original message (+ attachment) from the 
sender.
Can you explain what might the cause the problem here?
Maybe it is better to only enable the account checkbox for an 
autoreply account, I am asking myself now.
Here is a part of such an unreadable attachment.
Thank you for your attention.

Content-Type: application/msword;
name="werkdocument 11 sept 02.doc"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
filename="werkdocument 11 sept 02.doc"

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-- 
Giedo De Snijder

alias BusyBee - BeeMaster of http://www.beaware.be

---
The universe, Wolfram says, can be boiled down to 4 or 5 lines of code.
Let's hope they are well-written.

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:34:48 +0200
From: Giedo De Snijder <giedo at beaware dot be>
Subject: Attachments sent to an autoreply account -part2

Hi,

I have done some checking meanwhile.

A message with an attachment sent to an autoreply account shows up IN message.
So there is not a real attachment anymore send with the message.
In AutoShare Admin's More Miscellaneous for that domain I have tried 
the option "QP Always" as well as "MIME QP" but the result is the 
same.
Help!


Content-Id: <p05111b0eb9afb851dc3a at [193.121.55.130].0 dot 0>

Content-Type: multipart/appledouble; 
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  ; modification-date="Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:31:52 +0200"



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AAAIAAAAiQAAABAAAAACAAAAmQAAAR5WZXJzbGFnIHZlcmdhZGVyaW5nIHdlcmtncm9l

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  ; x-mac-type="5744424E"

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Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Verslag_vergadering_werkgroep_I"

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64



0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAQwAA

AAAAAAAAEAAARQAAAAEAAAD+////AAAAAEIAAAD/////////////////////////////
blablabla
blablabla blablabla

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:03:09 +0200
From: Giedo De Snijder <giedo at beaware dot be>
Subject: Attachments sent to an autoreply account

Hi,

One of my customers has an autoreply set up in AutoShare and EIMS.
In EIMS both the login checkbox and  the account checkbox are enabled 
for that account.
When somenone sends a message to that autoreply account, the sender 
gets the autoreply text back and the original message is sent to 
another account.
When someone sends a message with an attachment to the autoreply 
account, the following happens.
Opening the attachment from the autoreply account shows an attachment 
which is unreadable while the attrachment is properly seenfor the 
account which gets the original message (+ attachment) from the 
sender.
Can you explain what might the cause the problem here?
Maybe it is better to only enable the account checkbox for an 
autoreply account, I am asking myself now.
Here is a part of such an unreadable attachment.
Thank you for your attention.

Content-Type: application/msword;
name="werkdocument 11 sept 02.doc"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
filename="werkdocument 11 sept 02.doc"

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-- 
Giedo De Snijder

alias BusyBee - BeeMaster of http://www.beaware.be

---
The universe, Wolfram says, can be boiled down to 4 or 5 lines of code.
Let's hope they are well-written.

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:23:41 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: Getting off of all lists

At 6:55 AM -0400 8/30/02, Michael J. Vinca wrote:

>  could someone send a message to autoshare saying unsubscribe All 
> instead of unsubscribe <list name> ?

Probably, since an administrator can send the same command, preceded 
with the password.

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:14:20 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Smarter Bounce Processing?

AutoShare's automated bounce processing is excellent, but of course 
nothing is perfect and a fairly high number of bounces (while still a 
low percentage) do slip by and get sent to be as "unresolved".

Often these occur because some dolt subscribed to a list using an 
address that is forwarded to a different address, and that final 
address bounces.  The text of the bounce of course indicates the 
final address, which AutoShare of course can not find subscribed.

What I generally do in such cases is scan the forwarded headers 
included in the bounce, looking for the one that says "Received from 
<my AutoShare host name>" (added by the first host to get the mail 
from my host).  If I'm lucky, this Received header contains a "for" 
clause.  The address in the "for" clause is the one subscribed.  If 
AutoShare could do this as part of its automated bounce processing, 
it would greatly help.

(The other approach, which is also a good idea, is to use the 
original recipient parameter to the mail from command.  If you get 
lucky, all SMTP servers support this and include it in the bounce.)

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:49:24 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: AutoShare development stopped?

Hello,

Has AutoShare development stopped? Is Mikael Hansen monitoring this list?

Thanks for any insight.

Cheers,
Derek

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:55:55 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Will mangled autoreplies ever get fixed?

Hello,

Autoreplies sometimes work and sometimes get mangled. This has been a 
problem for many of us for many years and nothing has been done about 
it. I realize AutoShare is freeware but I am just hoping this bug can 
be fixed once and for all. I'd be more than willing to "donate" to 
Mikael to get it fixed.

Here's an example...

This is how our autoreply is supposed to be:

>To: Derek Tom <derek at bbdoasia dot com>
>From: Enrica Tong <enrica.tong at bbdo.com dot hk>
>Subject: Autoreply test - please ignore
>Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:43:58 +0800
>
>Hi,
>
>I'll be out of office till Oct 18 and would be back at office on Oct 
>21. Please contact Ellen Lee [email add:<ellen.lee at bbdo.com dot hk>] at 
>(852) 2820 1860
>for assistance.  Thanks.
>
>Rgds,
>Enrica


Yet, some senders receive this garbage:


>X-Sender: enrica.tong at bbdo.com dot hk
>To: Ashley Wong <ashley.wong at bbdoasia dot com>
>From: enrica.tong at bbdo.com dot hk
>Subject: Suspension of electrical power
>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:03:27 +0800
>List-Software: AutoShare 4.2.3 by Mikael Hansen
>
>Hi,
>a.tong at bbdo.com dot hk, Suspension of electrical power
>
>,
>a.tong at bbdo.com dot hk, Suspension of electrical power
>I'll be out of office till Oct 18 and would be back at office on Oct 21.
>
>Please contact Ellen Lee [email add:<ellen.lee at bbdo.com dot hk>] at 
>(852) 2820 1860
>÷¿o;ž‹
>for assistance.  Thanks.
>email add:<ellen.lee at bbdo.com dot hk>] at (852) 2820 1860
>÷¿o;ž‹
>
>r assistance.  Thanks.
>email add:<ellen.lee at bbdo.com dot hk>] at (852) 2820 1860
>÷¿o;ž‹
>Rgds,
>istance.  Thanks.
>email add:<ellen.lee at bbdo.com dot hk>] at (852) 2820 1860
>÷¿o;ž‹
>Enrica
>stance.  Thanks.
>email add:<ellen.lee at bbdo.com dot hk>] at (852) 2820 1860
>÷¿o;ž‹


Thanks for any insight.

Cheers,
Derek

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:32:29 +0200
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: block attachments

Hello Mikael,

I hope the development of AS hasn't stopped! I would really like to see an option to block all attachments send to a list and an improved archive (sorted, customized ....).

Best regards,

Detlef

Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:57:16 +0200
Subject: AutoShare Admin
From: Francisco Ramos <framos at upsa dot es>

>Este mensaje tiene formato MIME. Al no reconocer su lector de
correo este formato, puede que todo o parte del mensaje resulte ilegible.

--B_3118208236_124888
Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

I have installed AutoShare 4.2.3 on Mac OS 9.1, and when I attempt to work
with AutoShare Admin I obtain the following mistake:

³Unable to continue because FaceSpan Extension is missing, would not open,
or is too old a version. (0)²

They can help me?

------------------------------------
Francisco Ramos
mailto:framos at upsa dot es
http://framos.upsa.es
Tlf. 34-923277136
Fax. 34-923277137
UNIVERSIDAD PONTIFICIA DE SALAMANCA
http://www.upsa.es
------------------------------------
Clave PGP publica en:
http://pgp.rediris.es:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x4A654E8D



--B_3118208236_124888
Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>AutoShare Admin</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY>
<FONT FACE="Verdana">I have installed AutoShare 4.2.3 on Mac OS 9.1, and wh
en I attempt to work with AutoShare Admin I obtain the following mistake:<BR
>
<BR>
&#8220;Unable to continue because FaceSpan Extension is missing, would not 
open, or is too old a version. (0)&#8221;<BR>
<BR>
They can help me?<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------------ <BR>
Francisco Ramos<BR>
mailto:framos at upsa dot es<BR>
http://framos.upsa.es<BR>
Tlf. 34-923277136<BR>
Fax. 34-923277137<BR>
UNIVERSIDAD PONTIFICIA DE SALAMANCA<BR>
http://www.upsa.es<BR>
------------------------------------<BR>
Clave PGP publica en:<BR>
http://pgp.rediris.es:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&amp;search=0x4A654E8D<BR>
<BR>
</FONT>
</BODY>
</HTML>


--B_3118208236_124888--


From: Laine Lee <LLee at utsa dot edu>
Subject: RE: AutoShare Admin
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:26:28 -0500

Here you go:

http://www.facespan.com/registerdemo.html

> ----------
> From: 	Francisco Ramos
> Reply To: 	Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk
> Sent: 	Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:57 AM
> To: 	Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk
> Subject: 	AutoShare Admin
> 
> I have installed AutoShare 4.2.3 on Mac OS 9.1, and when I attempt to work
> with AutoShare Admin I obtain the following mistake:
> 
> "Unable to continue because FaceSpan Extension is missing, would not open,
> or is too old a version. (0)"
> 
> They can help me?
> 
> ------------------------------------ 
> Francisco Ramos
> mailto:framos at upsa dot es
> http://framos.upsa.es
> Tlf. 34-923277136
> Fax. 34-923277137
> UNIVERSIDAD PONTIFICIA DE SALAMANCA
> http://www.upsa.es
> ------------------------------------
> Clave PGP publica en:
> http://pgp.rediris.es:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x4A654E8D
> 
> 
> 

From: Lane Roathe <lane at ifd dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 23 Oct 2002
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:30:39 -0600

on Wed, Oct 23, 2002 Autoshare-Talk list may have said:

>I have installed AutoShare 4.2.3 on Mac OS 9.1, and when I attempt to work
>with AutoShare Admin I obtain the following mistake:
>
>³Unable to continue because FaceSpan Extension is missing, would not open,
>or is too old a version. (0)²
>
>They can help me?

I also get this, and I am no longer able to admin my AutoShare lists
because of this.

Any help appriciated!!!

(and an OS X version of the admin program REALLY appriciated!)


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Lane Roathe, President                              Ideas From the Deep
<mailto:lane at ifd.com>                              <http://www.ifd dot com>
_______________________________________________________________________
Life is cheap, but the accessories will break you.


Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:24:01 -0500
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 23 Oct 2002
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>

Mikael has not been answering posts on this site for a long time.  I doubt
very much that you will see an OS X version of any part of Autoshare in the
immediate future.  I doubt that anything more will be done with improving
Autoshare (and hope I am wrong).  I also expect that many of us, myself
included, are going to need to look at some other listserv software.  There
is no indication that listserv features will be part of EIMS in the
immediate future either, and little movement to OS X for EIMS because of
limitations that are apparently part of the OS.


Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
==========
On 10/23/02 11:30 AM, "Lane Roathe"  wrote:

> on Wed, Oct 23, 2002 Autoshare-Talk list may have said:
> 
>> I have installed AutoShare 4.2.3 on Mac OS 9.1, and when I attempt to work
>> with AutoShare Admin I obtain the following mistake:
>> 
>> ³Unable to continue because FaceSpan Extension is missing, would not open,
>> or is too old a version. (0)²
>> 
>> They can help me?
> 
> I also get this, and I am no longer able to admin my AutoShare lists
> because of this.
> 
> Any help appriciated!!!
> 
> (and an OS X version of the admin program REALLY appriciated!)
> 
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Lane Roathe, President                              Ideas From the Deep
> <mailto:lane at ifd.com>                              <http://www.ifd dot com>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Life is cheap, but the accessories will break you.
> 


Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:03:33 +0200
Subject: Re: AutoShare Admin
From: Francisco Ramos <framos at upsa dot es>

el [DATE], [NAME] en [ADDRESS] escribió:

> Here you go:
> 
> http://www.facespan.com/registerdemo.html

Thank you very much, I will prove this
------------------------------------
Francisco Ramos
mailto:framos at upsa dot es
http://framos.upsa.es
Tlf. 34-923277136
Fax. 34-923277137
UNIVERSIDAD PONTIFICIA DE SALAMANCA
http://www.upsa.es
------------------------------------
Clave PGP publica en:
http://pgp.rediris.es:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x4A654E8D



From: Lane Roathe <lane at ifd dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare Admin
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:51:31 -0600

on Thu, Oct 24, 2002 Laine Lee <LLee at utsa dot edu> may have said:

>Here you go:
>
>http://www.facespan.com/registerdemo.html

Form returns "The requested URL /cgi-bin/FormMail.cgi was not found on
this server."

Sigh.

If someone has a working facespan can they send it my way? Thanks!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Lane Roathe, President                              Ideas From the Deep
<mailto:lane at ifd.com>                              <http://www.ifd dot com>
_______________________________________________________________________
I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my father...
not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car.


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:03:14 +0100
From: Giedo De Snijder <giedo at beaware dot be>
Subject: I don't want digest archives

Hi,

I have set up a new announcement list and although there are no 
digest subscribers, the archives folder contains the digest files and 
they are updated every time a message is sent to the list.
My older lists don't  do this and I have set up the new one as the older ones.
Any idea what is going on?
TIA,
-- 
Giedo De Snijder


Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:46:32 +0100
From: Giedo De Snijder <giedo at beaware dot be>
Subject: Everything is an attachment

Hi,

This was sent to the list awhile ago.
I have the same problem.
Is there still anyone who knows a solution, an answer?
Just let me feel this list is still alive.

Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:31:54 -0400
Reply-To: Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk <AutoShare-Talk at lists.pensive dot org>
Precedence: bulk
List-Subscribe: 
<mailto:autoshare-talk-request at lists.pensive dot org?body=subscribe>
List-Unsubscribe: 
<mailto:autoshare-talk-request at lists.pensive dot org?body=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <mailto:autoshare at lists.pensive dot org?body=index%20Autoshare-Talk>
List-Post: <mailto:autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
List-Owner: Pensive Mailing List Admin <listmaster at lists.pensive dot org>
List-Help: <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/>
List-Id: <Autoshare-Talk.lists.pensive.org>
List-Software: AutoShare 4.2.1 by Mikael Hansen
From: Steve Wiedemann <swiedem at henninger dot com>
Organization: Henninger Media Services
X-Accept-Language: en,pdf
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk <AutoShare-Talk at lists.pensive dot org>
Subject: Everything is an attachment

When a user posts to a list, the plain text message comes through
exactly as sent.  If there is an attachment with the message, the plain
text portion of the message turns into a separate attachment.  Some
recipients [who don't decode text attachments inline] aren't smart
enough to look at the attachment and don't understand the empty message.
  Is there a setting I'm missing somewhere that prevents the text portion
from becoming an attachment?  I'm running AutoShare 4.2 on top of EIMS 3.0.3.
-- 
Steve Wiedemann
-- 
Giedo De Snijder

---
Anything in this mail is my personal opinion, not necessarily the 
truth, but always straightforward
---

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:37:22 -0600
Subject: Vacation Notices
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>

If this list is still active:

I seem to recall that the newest versions of Vacation script will actually
do all of the needed setup, removing the need for the email admin having to
reset the accounts to keep copies etc.

Can anyone enlighten me about this?

And, Mikael:  WHERE ARE YOU??

Thanks,


Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
==========


Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:39:14 -0500
From: Steve Wiedemann <swiedem at henninger dot com>
Subject: Re: Everything an Attachment

Giedo:

I think we're alone on this list.  There was never an answer for the
attachment issue.
-- 
Steve Wiedemann

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:13:25 +0100
Subject: Re: Everything an Attachment
From: Pascal Oberndoerfer <p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht dot org>

Steve Wiedemann at swiedem at henninger dot com:

> Giedo:
> 
> I think we're alone on this list.  There was never an answer for the
> attachment issue.

Well, almost... ;-/

Pascal


Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:14:17 -0500
From: Steve Wiedemann <swiedem at henninger dot com>
Subject: Re: Vacation Notices

Note: this is a long one.  Please resist the urge to quote the whole
thing to the list if you feel the need to respond.  Tnx.
         ------------------------------------------------

Vacation Notices:

We've actually done the "automatic" vacation notice control with EIMS. 
Well, it's almost automatic.  There's probably some controls I'm missing
but we can MAKE it work by installing the files manually.

1: In the AutoShare distribution, there are scripts that help the
process.  Look in Samples:Sample Process Extenders:Before Processing
folder:Vacation.  You'll find an AppleScript and a folder full of text
files.  Put the "Before Processing" AppleScript in the "Process
Extenders" folder of the AutoShare application.  Then put the "Vacation"
folder with everything in it into the "Documents" folder of AutoShare.

2: Pick a <username> on your mail server to experiment with.  In the
"Documents" folder, make a folder called the <username> and put a text
file in it called "default".  This is the returned message for that
user.  In "default", you can put tokens and a message like this:
---------------------------------------------------
/=subject Laura out of the office
/=reply-to laura at blahblah dot com

Laura will be out of the office until New Year.
Thank You.
---------------------------------------------------
The mail user will be able to edit this file.

3: In the AutoShare "Filters" folder, make a text file named the
<username> which contains five asterisks ( ***** ).  That's it for files.

4: We're running EIMS.  Configure the <username> for "Save as Files" in
Mail Server:Auto:Filed Mail (that's a path - the hard drive is called
"Mail Server").  If you're using EIMS, check the "Keep copies" box,
otherwise all the mail will be thrown away once the vacation notifier
processes it and the mail user will have no mail when they return.

5: Make a new user on your mail server called "vacation" and send it to
the same place; "Save as files" to the "Filed Mail" folder of AutoShare.

Any mail sent to the <username> will now get diverted to the AutoShare
"Filed Mail" folder.  AutoShare will find the file in there (eventually)
and check the headers for any actions that need to be taken.  AS far as
we can tell, the trigger for an autoresponder is the presence of a
folder with a matching username and default file in the "Documents"
folder.  Without that, nothing happens.  We've found that when we set
these up, the Vacation Notifier is already turned on, so you might want
to turn it off - keep reading how.

Within 20 seconds after you send an email to a vacation enabled <user>,
the AutoShare console will show activity for that message.  The text
file in the "Filters" folder will be updated with the email address of
the sender added after the *****.  This prevents the same sender from
getting endless vacation notices.  If you remove the asterisks, the
filter will not save the addresses.

The user now has control over the account.  Each of the text files in
the "Vacation" folder that came with the AppleScript may be edited to
say whatever you want.  Commands to control the vacation notifier match
the names of the text files in that folder.  You can even add your own
"help" file and call it "help" which will be returned.  All commands go
to "vacation@yourdomain dot com".  Here's an excerpt from our help file (you
fill in your own domain name):

----------------------------------------------------------------

=========================
Basic Commands
=========================
Controlling your vacation notice may be done by sending an email to
vacation at yourdomain dot com.

Commands are placed in the SUBJECT
line of your email. The available commands are:

On - Turns your vacation notice ON
Off - Turns your vacation notice OFF
Doc - modifies the vacation notice document returned to others
Help - returns this message to you

The commands and addresses are not case sensitive. Off is OFF is OfF.

================================
Creating Notifier Messages - DOC
================================
First, create your own customized return message:

1- Make an email message addressed to vacation at yourdomain dot com.
2- In the to SUBJECT line, put the word DOC.
3- In the BODY of the message, type your vacation notice message.
4- Send the message.

You will receive a confirmation through email that your vacation notice
message has been updated.

================================
Activating Your Notifier - ON
================================
Before leaving for vacation, activate your vacation notice:

1- Make an email message addressed to vacation at yourdomain dot com.
2- In the SUBJECT line, put the word ON.
3- Send the message.

You will receive a confirmation through email that your vacation notice
message has been activated. Anyone sending you an email will get your custom
message in return with a subject line matching the one they sent to you.

================================
Deactivating Your Notifier - OFF
================================
When you return, you will need to turn your vacation notice off:

1- Make an email message addressed to vacation at yourdomain dot com.
2- In the SUBJECT line, put the word OFF.
3- Send the message.

You will receive a confirmation through email that your vacation notice
message has been deactivated. 

================================
Customized Subject Line
================================
You may customize the returned subject line to say something
descriptive. To
do this, begin your DOC text with a special command:

1- Make an email message addressed to vacation at yourdomain dot com.
2- In the subject line, put the word DOC.
3- Start the message BODY with "/=subject Bubba is on vacation" (without
quotes).
      (Note: you may wish to replace "Bubba" with your own name)
4- On the lines following the code, type your vacation notice message.
5- Send the message.

Any message sent to you will be answered by your vacation notice text and
your customized subject line.

=========================
Message Filtering
=========================
Your email messages will only be returned once per user. Anyone sending
multiple messages will not receive multiple notifications in return. This
is especially useful if you are subscribed to a listserver. This way, you
won't be killed by the listserver users carrying pitchforks and torches
who have been mail bombed with your constant vacation notices. The filter
will be reset when you turn your notifier OFF then back ON.

=========================
Other Notes
=========================
This system is run by AutoShare, our Listserver software. You must send all
commands from a valid email account on our mail server or through our webmail
service at http://webmail.henninger.com. In other words, you cannot send
commands to your yourdomain.com account from your AOL or HotMail account.
This also prevents others from playing tricks on you.

----------------------------------------------------------------

If we're going about this the wrong way, let me know.  There might be a
simple command to send to AutoShare that executes all the stuff we're
installing manually. We haven't found one but would love to hear about
one.  We've considered running NetCloak on the mail server and writing
scripts that will automatically create all the documents based on a web form.

--=--
Steve Wiedemann

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:15:11 -0600
Subject: Re: Vacation Notices
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>

On 11/26/02 1:14 PM, "Steve Wiedemann"  wrote:

> Note: this is a long one.  Please resist the urge to quote the whole
> thing to the list if you feel the need to respond.  Tnx.
>        ------------------------------------------------
Very nicely done Steve, but not what I am looking for.

I know how to do what you describe, and in fact have done it.  I think there
was a later version of the Vacation software that actually created the
necessary folders on the fly (and might even have set up the forwarding etc
in EIMS).  I was sure that I had seen fooled around with it.  With 1000+
users all of who might decide to go on vacation we need it to work totally
automatically.   Ah well, I may be wrong.  Your description is so nice and
clean that I will add it to some of the documentation I have been trying to
get set up for Autoshare stuff.  I appreciate it!!


Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:48:50 -0600
From: Paul Zobitz <pzobitz at miph dot org>
Subject: Re: Vacation Notices

This seems like a very elegant solution.  I do have one question 
regarding number 3 below.
>
>2: Pick a <username> on your mail server to experiment with.  In the
>"Documents" folder, make a folder called the <username> and put a text
>file in it called "default".  This is the returned message for that
>user.  In "default", you can put tokens and a message like this:
>---------------------------------------------------
>/=subject Laura out of the office
>/=reply-to laura at blahblah dot com
>
>Laura will be out of the office until New Year.
>Thank You.
>---------------------------------------------------
>The mail user will be able to edit this file.
>
>3: In the AutoShare "Filters" folder, make a text file named the
><username> which contains five asterisks ( ***** ).  That's it for files.

So does one need to create a separate text file like this for each 
user, or just one file during setup?


Also, on an unrelated note, we are using the Bounce feature of 
Autoshare.  Is there a token that can be put in the bounce message 
text to indicate the bad address?  I had asked this question a while 
back to no response.

Paul



Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:06:27 -0500
From: Steve Wiedemann <swiedem at henninger dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 27 Nov 2002

From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us> wrote:

> Very nicely done Steve, but not what I am looking for.

Oh....  ~:-/

If ANYBODY can tell us how the files get written on the fly or where to
get updated scripts, that would be FABULOUS as we have over 100 users
ourselves.  In the mean time, I'm going to proceed on writing web forms
and NetCloak scripts to create vacation enabled users as needed.  We
would even be able to populate the vacation message file with an initial message.

-- 
Steve Wiedemann

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:40:57 -0600
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 27 Nov 2002
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>

It looks as though Farokh Irani of Simple Text Filter fame is going to have
a very nice vacation filter that may be able to be automated by Web plus
whatever.  I'm going to look into FMPro & Lasso as the driving programs
because we have those available, but no reason it couldn't be don't with
something else.

And, I haven't given up on AutoShare either.  I'm SURE I saw that script.
Now if I can just find it!!!!


Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
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On 11/27/02 9:06 AM, "Steve Wiedemann"  wrote:

> From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us> wrote:
> 
>> Very nicely done Steve, but not what I am looking for.
> 
> Oh....  ~:-/
> 
> If ANYBODY can tell us how the files get written on the fly or where to
> get updated scripts, that would be FABULOUS as we have over 100 users
> ourselves.  In the mean time, I'm going to proceed on writing web forms
> and NetCloak scripts to create vacation enabled users as needed.  We
> would even be able to populate the vacation message file with an initial
> message.


Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 04:32:25 -0500
Subject: Re: vacation notices, filters
From: Steve Wiedemann <swiedem at henninger dot com>

> From: Paul Zobitz <pzobitz at miph dot org> asked:

> So does one need to create a separate text file like this for each
> user, or just one file during setup?

Each user gets their own file which is empty except for five asterisks. 
  This triggers a memory function for whether a sender has already had a 
vacation notice returned to them.  As mail comes in, AutoShare sorts 
out whether a vacation event happened and adds the sender's email 
address to the recipient's filter file after the asterisks.  Any email 
address appearing in that file will not get a second vacation notice.  
It prevents mailbombing any lists the users are on with vacation 
notices.  The list of addresses that accumulates in the filter file 
will be cleared when the user turns off the notifier.  The asterisks 
are replaced by "From: @" in the file when vacation notices are off.  
When the notifier is reactivated, the asterisks reappear. You can 
manually add email addresses to the filter list and they will NEVER get 
a vacation notice.  I haven't tried this, but there's a theory that 
says if you add the manual addresses before the asterisks, they will 
survive the vacation notice on/off cycle.

> Also, on an unrelated note, we are using the Bounce feature of
> Autoshare.  Is there a token that can be put in the bounce message
> text to indicate the bad address?  I had asked this question a while
> back to no response.

I have no idea.  I don't use the bounce feature but probably should.  
There are probably a few dozen things I should be using but haven't 
taken the time to figure them out, like remote administration.  
Apparently, you can set a password in AutoShare and send it emails to 
make it sing and dance.  It has never worked for me, but I'm probably 
holding my mouth wrong or something.

Chuck: If you find any good scripts, you know where to tell us!

--=-=--
Steve


From: "Kimberly Cerra" <k at ckwebsites dot com>
Subject: Header & Footer Documents Not Included
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:44:47 -0800

My problem is, I have added a new list called newsslice, using it's own
domain name and have set up Header.newsslice and Footer.newsslice in its
document folder within its own @domainname folder but they do not get added
to the emails sent to the list.  I can't find a setting anywhere that
affects this.

Does anybody have information that would help me with this?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!

Also, I've just subscribed to this talk list so please excuse me if this
question has been asked and answered previously.  I did search the most
recent archives and didn't find anything.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:07:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Header & Footer Documents Not Included
From: Michael J. Vinca <michaelj at vinca dot org>

I don't remember what it is called, but in your default document for a 
posting, you must have a /=Header or /=Footer in it, and then the 
header and footer documents will be replaced at those tags. I'm not 
sure about the syntax either. Sorry, I don't have a place where I can 
look it up right now. I do know that if you look at the fun-l examples, 
you should be able to find what I am referring to.

~Mike

On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 02:44 PM, Kimberly Cerra wrote:

> My problem is, I have added a new list called newsslice, using it's own
> domain name and have set up Header.newsslice and Footer.newsslice in 
> its
> document folder within its own @domainname folder but they do not get 
> added
> to the emails sent to the list.  I can't find a setting anywhere that
> affects this.


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