Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:30:32 -0400
From: "Gordon Shupe, Technology Specialist" <gshupe at stone.web.brevard.k12.fl dot us>
Subject: Autoshare and Verona have something in common!
Mikael Hansen wrote:
> Since FaceSpan 2.1 is totally PPC native, the FaceSpan people are taking
> advantage of QuickTime components.
>
> The FaceSpan Extension is expecting to find the following extensions in the
> system before it can be resolved:
>
> QuickTime
> QuickTime PowerPlug
>
> Both of these extensions are part of a standard MacOS install. More than
> likely they have been turned off via the Extensions Manager.
>
> Gordon, let us know if this does it for you.
Superb diagnosis, Dr.!!!
I had skinnied down my server's system file- eliminating such superflous
things as the Quicktime battery. This actually is more helpful than you
may realize since I was having a similar problem using Purity Software's
Verona/Websiphon Tools as well! Thanks for your help.
I am very pleased with both Autoshare and the Manager looks pretty cool
too. I will have to work with it some later this week.
--
ï Gordon Shupe ï
Stone JHS Technology Specialist; Biology Honors Instructor
<http://stone.web.brevard.k12.fl.us>
Genentech Access Excellence '94 Fellow <http://www.gene.com/ae>
AE Online Databases Project Director:
MentorNet, Acid Rain/Acid Snow Data, Experts Around the World:
Scientists/Education Collaboration
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:01:12 -0500
From: Jerry Thompson <jthompson at directhit dot com>
Subject: Using AutoShare's web archives...
Greetings,
How do I configure AutoShare to create web archives other than setting the
respected path within the List Configuration window? Most of our lists
have been announcement only in the past. But we are now converting them to
"Talk" lists.
System Software:
OS8
Web*
AutoShare
EIMS
Thanks.
Jerry
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:07:05 -0500
From: Jerry Thompson <jthompson at directhit dot com>
Subject: Can't Get 1.4...
Greetings again,
I've been trying to get the released 1.4 version but I get a message
stating that "anonymous connections not allowed" or some variation of it.
Do I need a password? Username? Or better luck? :)
J.
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:02:04 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Using AutoShare's web archives...
At 15:01 -0500 12/9/1997, Jerry Thompson wrote:
>How do I configure AutoShare to create web archives other than setting the
>respected path within the List Configuration window? Most of our lists
>have been announcement only in the past. But we are now converting them to
>"Talk" lists.
Setting the path in the List Configuration window only formats the wrapper
that makes automated web archives come alive. The actual HTML formatting of
future archived messages starts taking place when you set the Format option
to HTML or both.
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:05:30 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Can't Get 1.4...
At 15:07 -0500 12/9/1997, Jerry Thompson wrote:
>I've been trying to get the released 1.4 version but I get a message
>stating that "anonymous connections not allowed" or some variation of it.
>
>Do I need a password? Username? Or better luck? :)
No, no and maybe :-) I just tried and didn't have any trouble.
You can also try the mirror site at
<http://www.dcl.co.uk/MacOS/email/autoshare/>
or by e-mail from
<mailto:autoshare-software at dcl.co dot uk>
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:12:07 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare and Verona have something in common!
At 09:30 -0400 12/9/1997, Gordon Shupe, Technology Specialist wrote:
>> Gordon, let us know if this does it for you.
>
>Superb diagnosis, Dr.!!!
Thanks to the FaceSpan people :-)
>I am very pleased with both Autoshare and the Manager looks pretty cool
>too. I will have to work with it some later this week.
Happy you like it!
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:37:25 -0400
From: Alexandre Enkerli <enkerlia at DITER.UMontreal dot CA>
Subject: Congratulations and wish-list
Wow! I'm quite impressed at Autoshare. Actually, I was already impressed
the first time I used it (last winter) but I'm even more impressed now.
Congratulations to Mikael Hansen and to everybody who has made this list
server what it is. Nice job!
BTW, EIMS 2.0beta (I'm not sure about other versions) has a different
location for its incoming mail folder. When you don't notice, it takes a
while to know what's wrong.
And using AS on a PPP connection (for test purposes), it seems you have to
put the whole address when sending mail to a list. Or maybe I didn't set
things up correctly.
I don't know how to put accentuated characters in the headers and footers.
Anyone does?
Now, I know it's a side project for Mikael Hansen, but maybe some other
people might help on the docs. I mean, about everything's in it but it's a
bit confusing. For instance, when you read the text version of Easy does it
and I got caught by the colon thing. The worse thing is, it's not the first
time this happens to me... ;-)
Also, it'd be great to do a small script to help with the basic setup for
the preferences of both AS and EIMS (folder paths, essential "users", maybe
a test list...).
BTW, thanks to Bill Suarez and James Berriman for the forms. What a great idea!
Maybe it's already possible to do it (I got confused) but it'd be
incredibly great to use AS to execute program or scripts remotely. And I
guess we could set up external programs (for example, some "agents") to
periodically send mail through AS.
Is it really impossible to use AS with a non-[[A,E]IMS, Mailshare] server
and/or a temporary connection? What about TCP/IP connection from the admin
to the server (without AppleShareIP, ARA, or Timbuktu Pro)?
Anyway, maybe I'm just too tired to think straight so sorry if this doesn't
make sense.
Again, congratulations to everybody who helped with AS1.4!
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:27:12 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Congratulations and wish-list
At 02:37 -0400 13/9/1997, Alexandre Enkerli wrote:
>Wow! I'm quite impressed at Autoshare. Actually, I was already impressed
>the first time I used it (last winter) but I'm even more impressed now.
>Congratulations to Mikael Hansen and to everybody who has made this list
>server what it is. Nice job!
Thank you for the kind words!
>BTW, EIMS 2.0beta (I'm not sure about other versions) has a different
>location for its incoming mail folder. When you don't notice, it takes a
>while to know what's wrong.
Thanks. <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/postrelease/> is updated.
>And using AS on a PPP connection (for test purposes), it seems you have to
>put the whole address when sending mail to a list. Or maybe I didn't set
>things up correctly.
Yes, the whole address is needed.
>I don't know how to put accentuated characters in the headers and footers.
>Anyone does?
You simply enter them directly in the header or footer files. Use Key Caps
from the Apple menu to assist you.
>Now, I know it's a side project for Mikael Hansen, but maybe some other
>people might help on the docs. I mean, about everything's in it but it's a
>bit confusing. For instance, when you read the text version of Easy does it
>and I got caught by the colon thing. The worse thing is, it's not the first
>time this happens to me... ;-)
Oh, don't go by the text versions! They are way outdated (see the Get Info
dates).
>Also, it'd be great to do a small script to help with the basic setup for
>the preferences of both AS and EIMS (folder paths, essential "users", maybe
>a test list...).
A good idea :-) For now, see the SetMisc/GetMisc and SetList/GetList
scripts in the Samples:Scripts:Commands folder.
Unfortunately, EIMS isn't scriptable yet. I really really hope it becomes
so one day, and when that day comes around, AutoShare can set up the EIMS
configuration for AutoShare automagically.
>BTW, thanks to Bill Suarez and James Berriman for the forms. What a great
>idea!
Yes, they did rather well, I think.
>Maybe it's already possible to do it (I got confused) but it'd be
>incredibly great to use AS to execute program or scripts remotely.
It is possible to launch (script) applications via remote administration by
e-mail. In
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/addendum/#remoteadminemail>
go down a little and look for the application command.
>Is it really impossible to use AS with a non-[[A,E]IMS, Mailshare] server
Currently, I am looking into support for SIMS. Which mail server did you
have in mind? It is also possible to have EIMS forward all mail to another
server.
>and/or a temporary connection?
James's (or someone else's) department :-)
>What about TCP/IP connection from the admin
>to the server (without AppleShareIP, ARA, or Timbuktu Pro)?
EIMS 2.0 does that, as you probably know. And does it quite well too. My
view is though that relatively few administrators are outside AppleTalk
reach of their list server, and that scripting can benefit many more than
few.
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:24:00 -0500
From: Jerry Thompson <jthompson at directhit dot com>
Subject: Subscriber's address not working anymore.
Greetings,
I got the below forwarded to me from a user subscribed to a mailing list.
AutoShare lists the below address as it appears as a subscribed address,
but the user cannot post.
What could be the problem? Or where should I look?
Thanks.
Jerry
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From: BMYRTHIL at schoenke dot com
Organization: Schoenke & Associates
To: BlackGreekNet at strictly-urban dot com
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:49:32 -500
Reply-to: BlackGreekNet at strictly-urban dot com
Subject: BGN: Someone has to get the ball rolling
Priority: normal
************************************************************
ATTENTION PLEASE
Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
You cannot post to a list, unless you are a subscriber
The list server address is autoshare at strictly-urban dot com
************************************************************
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:54:36 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Subscriber's address not working anymore.
At 13:24 -0500 15/9/1997, Jerry Thompson wrote:
>I got the below forwarded to me from a user subscribed to a mailing list.
>AutoShare lists the below address as it appears as a subscribed address,
>but the user cannot post.
>
>What could be the problem? Or where should I look?
Set up a dummy account configured as Save as files and have it point to a
totally separate folder. Ask the user to send a mail to that account. Once
the message file has arrived in the folder, open it in ResEdit and take a
look at the envelope sender. Compare this address to something similar in
the subscriber file. Chances are that some mail server and/or dns changes
were made at his system and the user wasn't aware of it.
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:10:37 -0700
From: Robert Orenstein <rlo at perforce dot com>
Subject: After 1.4 upgrade, "From:" addresses disappear
I just upgraded from 1.3 to 1.4, and now all mail sent to the mailing
list is received by all users with missing or incorrect addresses
in the "From:" header. For example:
From: Robert Orenstein <>
From: Josephine Amaro <>
The only change that I made other than the installation was to suppress
the X-List headers with 12345678.
Any ideas why this is happening?
(Also, I've noticed a few small bugs in AutoShare Admin. Where is the proper
place to report them to?)
Thanks,
Robert Orenstein
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:30:35 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: After 1.4 upgrade, "From:" addresses disappear
At 17:10 -0700 15/9/1997, Robert Orenstein wrote:
>I just upgraded from 1.3 to 1.4, and now all mail sent to the mailing
>list is received by all users with missing or incorrect addresses
>in the "From:" header. For example:
>
> From: Robert Orenstein <>
>
> From: Josephine Amaro <>
>
>The only change that I made other than the installation was to suppress
>the X-List headers with 12345678.
>
>Any ideas why this is happening?
I have absolutely no idea! Have never even heard of this before.
The best way to solve this is to see a message file before AutoShare
processes it as well as the processed file after AutoShare is done. Could
you put them in a StuffIt file and send them to me at meh at dnai dot com? Thanks!
>(Also, I've noticed a few small bugs in AutoShare Admin. Where is the proper
>place to report them to?)
This list is fine. Or you can mail me directly.
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 04:39:01 -0500
From: Alexandre Enkerli <enkerlia at DITER.UMontreal dot CA>
Subject: Re: Congratulations and wish-list
Mikael: thanks for your reply!
Accentuated characters now seem to work in headers, boy and footers (since
I turned on the MIME QP option) but not in the title. As this is quite
usual on the Net, maybe it doesn't have much to do with AS but is there a
way to put accentuated characters in titles?
>Oh, don't go by the text versions!
Ok, I won't. But I wasn't warned, so...
Basic script:
I have to admit I haven't checked the available scripts so much. Maybe
everything is there and I didn't realize it...
As for EIMS, I can see it's not scriptable but maybe we could edit the pref
file. It's partly human-readable so I guess we could figure something out...
I'm saying this because I'm very good at doing dumb mistakes when changing
configs...
>It is possible to launch (script) applications via remote administration by
>e-mail.
Wow! I didn't notice the "application" part at first but it's exactly what
I had in mind. I have to admit, I'm impressed.
Is it possible to do the same thing with documents (say with different
settings files)? I guess not and it would probably not be that useful, but
it'd be an obvious step.
>Currently, I am looking into support for SIMS.
Which one is this?
> Which mail server did you have in mind?
Well, actually, nothing specific.
> It is also possible to have EIMS forward all mail to another server.
And can AS access this other server?
Actually, I was thinking about using AS with a dial-in Unix account. I know
there are some basic list programs out there that can handle dial-in
connections but as AS is so powerful, I would like to do the same with it.
But I don't really understand how AS works with EIMS.
TCP/IP:
Ok, if this is a non-standard issue, I don't care much.
My situation is that I'm usually logging in from a Unix/PPP account at the
university and I would like to be able to set AS up from my place.
Maybe I could simply FTP my AS prefs when I want to.
New comments...
I know that POP doesn't allow for authentification of the sender. But it
seems to be a problem for AS as it's possible to use Eudora (or another POP
program) to send mail as if it were from the listmaster's account. As I
have announcement lists, this might be a problem relating to the intrusion
of a non-member of the list posting to the list. Even if those messages are
traceable, it can become a problem. Is there an option which would prevent
such an intrusion?
Using the wonderful Web Archive feature, I was wondering if it would be
possible to do our own html encoding in the messages. What I've tried
hasn't work and I guess it's not meant for this, but it might be worth a
try. In this way, you could set up and update a "news" Web page by simply
sending message to your private list. In my situation, the advantages are
quite obvious. It might be way too much work but maybe it's worth a try.
I got problems when I tried to create a new list without restarting AS. Did
I do something wrong or we really have to restart each time we create a
list?
Again, thanks for a great product!
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:42:15 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: Congratulations and wish-list
At 10:39 am 16/9/97, Alexandre Enkerli wrote:
>New comments...
>I know that POP doesn't allow for authentification of the sender. But it
>seems to be a problem for AS as it's possible to use Eudora (or another POP
>program) to send mail as if it were from the listmaster's account.
This seems to be a FAQ ;-)
Disable the list account in EIMS (so posting directly to the list is
impossible), then use the passworded email admin feature to post messages
to the list. Just place this in the first line of the message you want to
send:
<password> post <youraddress@yourdomain> <listname> <yourname>
Without the <>, of course!
Oh, and send to autoshare@ - not the list.
( :-]) James
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:40:08 -0400
From: Michael Reid <michael_reid at wow dot net>
Subject: Errors-To?
Hi,
In my AutoShare server setup I have it like this:
Address is bounce account:
bulk-mailing at wow dot net
This, I thought was all well and good, because the message headers looked
like this (for messages):
---
Message-Id: <199709161954.PAA02664 at apollo.gncom dot com>
From: "N. Mohan" <nadnic at gncom dot com>
To: <SunHeadMix at wow dot net>
Subject: Fw: [SunHead] Toronto
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:01:34 -0400
Reply-To: Subscribers to <SunHeadMix at WOW dot Net>
Errors-To: bulk-mailing at wow dot net (WOW.Net Mailing Lists)
Precedence: bulk
X-List-Subscribe: <mailto:autoshare at wow dot net?body=subscribe%20SunHeadMix>
X-List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:autoshare at wow dot net?body=unsubscribe%20SunHeadMix>
X-List-Digest: <mailto:autoshare at wow dot net?body=set%20SunHeadMix%20digest>
X-List-Archive: <mailto:autoshare at wow dot net?body=index%20SunHeadMix>
X-List-Post: <mailto:sunheadmix at wow dot net>
X-List-Admin: ndelamiko at sunbeach dot net (Ndelamiko Lord)
X-List-Software: AutoShare 1.4 by Mikael Hansen
X-To-Unsubscribe: autoshare at wow dot net, body: unsub SunHeadMix
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Priority: 3
X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
---
From the header you can see that the <bulk-mailing at wow dot net> only appears in
the 'Errors-To' field; however, when I look in the mail log in EIMS, it
says that the mail came from <bulk-mailing at wow dot net>; could this be an
envelope problem? I would much prefer if the mail came from what is in the
From field; or better yet, from the mailing list address. This becomes more
apparent in the digest version; where the header says:
---
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
To: SunHeadMix at wow dot net
Reply-To: SunHeadMix at wow dot net
From: bulk-mailing at wow dot net (WOW.Net Mailing Lists)
Errors-To: bulk-mailing at wow dot net (WOW.Net Mailing Lists)
Precedence: bulk
X-List-Subscribe: <mailto:autoshare at wow dot net?body=subscribe%20SunHeadMix>
X-List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:autoshare at wow dot net?body=unsubscribe%20SunHeadMix>
X-List-Digest: <mailto:autoshare at wow dot net?body=set%20SunHeadMix%20digest>
X-List-Archive: <mailto:autoshare at wow dot net?body=index%20SunHeadMix>
X-List-Post: <mailto:sunheadmix at wow dot net>
X-List-Admin: ndelamiko at sunbeach dot net (Ndelamiko Lord)
X-List-Software: AutoShare 1.4 by Mikael Hansen
X-To-Unsubscribe: autoshare at wow dot net, body: unsub SunHeadMix
Subject: SunHeadMix digest 16 Sep 1997
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 02:00:04 -0400
---
As you can see the From field now says the bounce address, it would be
really nice if it said the mailing list address. The reason for this is
because I got a message from a mail gateway that said:
---
The following message could not be sent to 'jacobsor at cc.tacom.army dot mil' at
host 'cc.tacom.army.mil' because the sender was rejected.
554 <bulk-mailing at wow dot net>... SPAMer detected - mail service refused
----Unsent message follows----
--c4038a0eb00f4166004f67e4
Content-Type: message/rfc822
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
To: jacobsor at cc.tacom.army dot mil
Precedence: bulk
From: bulk-mailing at wow dot net (WOW.Net Mailing Lists)
Errors-To: bulk-mailing at wow dot net (WOW.Net Mailing Lists)
Subject: To jacobsor
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:09:44 -0400
---
P.S. I know I am asking for much, but further to that, it would be
reeeeeely nice if I could set bounce addresses on a per-mailing list basis,
as one of the lists that we host for another domain sometimes has a LOT of
traffic and when there are errors with subscribers, it's really a PAIN.
Thanks again Mikael for a great product!
Michael Reid | Addr: 17 Sweet Briar Rd., P.O.S.
Internal Systems Admin. | Trinidad., West Indies.
WOW.Net Ltd. | Tel.: 1-868-622-6872
http://www.wow.net/ | Fax.: 1-868-622-6096
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:00:33 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Congratulations and wish-list
At 04:39 -0500 16/9/1997, Alexandre Enkerli wrote:
>Accentuated characters now seem to work in headers, boy and footers (since
>I turned on the MIME QP option) but not in the title. As this is quite
>usual on the Net, maybe it doesn't have much to do with AS but is there a
>way to put accentuated characters in titles?
I think I'll do that :-)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:30:42 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Errors-To?
At 9:40 pm 16/9/97, Michael Reid wrote:
>From the header you can see that the <bulk-mailing at wow dot net> only appears in
>the 'Errors-To' field; however, when I look in the mail log in EIMS, it
>says that the mail came from <bulk-mailing at wow dot net>; could this be an
>envelope problem? I would much prefer if the mail came from what is in the
>From field; or better yet, from the mailing list address.
This is not a problem, it's correct. EIMS always lists the envelope address
in its logs, and the envelope address is correctly set to be the bounce
account. All MTAs use the envelope address to return notifications.
If you changed this to the list address, all bounces would be sent to the
list. Exactly what you don't want!
>This becomes more
>apparent in the digest version; where the header says:
>To: SunHeadMix at wow dot net
>Reply-To: SunHeadMix at wow dot net
>From: bulk-mailing at wow dot net (WOW.Net Mailing Lists)
>Errors-To: bulk-mailing at wow dot net (WOW.Net Mailing Lists)
>
>As you can see the From field now says the bounce address
That's because it was AutoShare that originated the digest message, and not
an individual (in the case of a single message contribution).
>it would be
>really nice if it said the mailing list address. The reason for this is
>because I got a message from a mail gateway that said:
>---
>The following message could not be sent to 'jacobsor at cc.tacom.army dot mil' at
>host 'cc.tacom.army.mil' because the sender was rejected.
>554 <bulk-mailing at wow dot net>... SPAMer detected - mail service refused
It's not the From: address that the mail gateway's complaining about here.
It's the envelope address. So changing the From: field won't make a
difference.
The correct thing to do would be to change the name of your bounce account
to something less provocative than "bulk-mailing@". It's probably the
"bulk" bit that triggered the spam filter. Personally, I'm quite happy with
"bounce@".
>P.S. I know I am asking for much, but further to that, it would be
>reeeeeely nice if I could set bounce addresses on a per-mailing list basis,
>as one of the lists that we host for another domain sometimes has a LOT of
>traffic and when there are errors with subscribers, it's really a PAIN.
List-specific bounce addresses would be nice. Something I've asked for in
the past. But things could get complicated. The question would be how to
accommodate that with autoshare's built-in bounce handling.
Mikael, how about adding an option for unresolved bounces to be directed to
the list-specific listmaster?
This would direct the flood of bounce messages to the correct listmaster
without having to resort to the added complication of multiple bounce
addresses.
( :-]) James
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:07:13 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Errors-To?
At 16:40 -0400 16/9/1997, Michael Reid wrote:
>In my AutoShare server setup I have it like this:
>
>Address is bounce account:
>bulk-mailing at wow dot net
>From: "N. Mohan" <nadnic at gncom dot com>
>Errors-To: bulk-mailing at wow dot net (WOW.Net Mailing Lists)
>>From the header you can see that the <bulk-mailing at wow dot net> only appears in
>the 'Errors-To' field; however, when I look in the mail log in EIMS, it
>says that the mail came from <bulk-mailing at wow dot net>; could this be an
>envelope problem?
EIMS is listing the envelope sender, which correctly should be the bounce
address when list contributions are posted.
(While AutoShare sets the Errors-To to the bounce address, it certainly
doesn't have to be this way. Furthermore, Errors-To isn't even listed in
the RFC 822, which indicates some lack of standard in this area!)
>I would much prefer if the mail came from what is in the From field; or
>better yet, from the mailing list address.
No can do. That would stop bounces working correctly :-)
>This becomes more apparent in the digest version; where the header says:
>From: bulk-mailing at wow dot net (WOW.Net Mailing Lists)
>Errors-To: bulk-mailing at wow dot net (WOW.Net Mailing Lists)
>As you can see the From field now says the bounce address, it would be
>really nice if it said the mailing list address.
See, that's something different! You are now no longer talking about the
envelope sender, but exclusively what the RFC From should be.
Yes, the RFC From should probably be the same as the RFC To for digests. I
think I'll go change that!
>The reason for this is because I got a message from a mail gateway that
>said:
>
>---
>The following message could not be sent to 'jacobsor at cc.tacom.army dot mil' at
>host 'cc.tacom.army.mil' because the sender was rejected.
>554 <bulk-mailing at wow dot net>... SPAMer detected - mail service refused
Looks like you get an added bounus, if the above is changed :-)
>P.S. I know I am asking for much, but further to that, it would be
>reeeeeely nice if I could set bounce addresses on a per-mailing list basis,
>as one of the lists that we host for another domain sometimes has a LOT of
>traffic and when there are errors with subscribers, it's really a PAIN.
Are you using the built-in bounce module by any chance?
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:28:52 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Errors-To?
At 23:30 +0100 16/9/1997, James Berriman wrote:
>The correct thing to do would be to change the name of your bounce account
>to something less provocative than "bulk-mailing@". It's probably the
>"bulk" bit that triggered the spam filter. Personally, I'm quite happy with
>"bounce@".
I dunno when it comes to digests, James. Do you see any side-effects of
changing the RFC From field body to that of the RFC To?
>Mikael, how about adding an option for unresolved bounces to be directed to
>the list-specific listmaster?
But it does so automatically already ;-)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:38:01 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: After 1.4 upgrade, "From:" addresses disappear
At 17:10 -0700 15/9/1997, Robert Orenstein wrote:
>I just upgraded from 1.3 to 1.4, and now all mail sent to the mailing
>list is received by all users with missing or incorrect addresses
>in the "From:" header. For example:
>
> From: Robert Orenstein <>
>
> From: Josephine Amaro <>
>
>The only change that I made other than the installation was to suppress
>the X-List headers with 12345678.
You also (accidently, I'm sure) enabled the address protection for the list
in question. Disable it, and you'll be fine :-)
Robert, thanks for the mailed files, which made it easy for me!
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:34:40 -0400
From: Michael Reid <michael_reid at wow dot net>
Subject: Re: Errors-To?
Hi,
First off thanks for the prompt reply (as usual) James and Mikael.
>>>From the header you can see that the <bulk-mailing at wow dot net> only appears in
>>the 'Errors-To' field; however, when I look in the mail log in EIMS, it
>>says that the mail came from <bulk-mailing at wow dot net>; could this be an
>>envelope problem?
>
>EIMS is listing the envelope sender, which correctly should be the bounce
>address when list contributions are posted.
Then how come when I watch other messages go through the server, sometimes
I see the List Address instead, I think I see this on the WebStar Talk
list. I will have to confirm this.
>(While AutoShare sets the Errors-To to the bounce address, it certainly
>doesn't have to be this way. Furthermore, Errors-To isn't even listed in
>the RFC 822, which indicates some lack of standard in this area!)
>
>>I would much prefer if the mail came from what is in the From field; or
>>better yet, from the mailing list address.
>
>No can do. That would stop bounces working correctly :-)
I understand.
>>This becomes more apparent in the digest version; where the header says:
>
>>From: bulk-mailing at wow dot net (WOW.Net Mailing Lists)
>>Errors-To: bulk-mailing at wow dot net (WOW.Net Mailing Lists)
>
>>As you can see the From field now says the bounce address, it would be
>>really nice if it said the mailing list address.
>
>See, that's something different! You are now no longer talking about the
>envelope sender, but exclusively what the RFC From should be.
>
>Yes, the RFC From should probably be the same as the RFC To for digests. I
>think I'll go change that!
Cool!
>>P.S. I know I am asking for much, but further to that, it would be
>>reeeeeely nice if I could set bounce addresses on a per-mailing list basis,
>>as one of the lists that we host for another domain sometimes has a LOT of
>>traffic and when there are errors with subscribers, it's really a PAIN.
>
>Are you using the built-in bounce module by any chance?
Yes, I think so.
>>Mikael, how about adding an option for unresolved bounces to be directed to
>>the list-specific listmaster?
>
>But it does so automatically already ;-)
Are you sure? Where can I check to verify this, or to verify that I have
mine set up right.
Michael Reid | Addr: 17 Sweet Briar Rd., P.O.S.
Internal Systems Admin. | Trinidad., West Indies.
WOW.Net Ltd. | Tel.: 1-868-622-6872
http://www.wow.net/ | Fax.: 1-868-622-6096
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:49:13 -0400
From: Alexandre Enkerli <enkerlia at DITER.UMontreal dot CA>
Subject: Accents
Hm, now accentuated characters appear in the titles of separate messages
(in nodigest mode) but carry "iso8859-1" markers in Web archives and
digests.
Also, when I receive the default message from the list, Eudora complains
about MIME errors.
Also, I reproduced my server's structure on a local disk and will simply
ftp the preference files to the server once I'm satisfied of the setup. But
then I have to change host names after each transfer which isn't so bad but
could get confusing (I'll admit that I'm easily confused). Is there a way
to state a default host for all preferences and get away with it?
Otherwise, I guess I could set an alternate host but as I'm in emulated
PPP, it's not that easy.
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:56:27 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Errors-To?
At 20:34 -0400 16/9/1997, Michael Reid wrote:
>>EIMS is listing the envelope sender, which correctly should be the bounce
>>address when list contributions are posted.
>
>Then how come when I watch other messages go through the server, sometimes
>I see the List Address instead, I think I see this on the WebStar Talk
>list. I will have to confirm this.
The W*-Talk entry in your EIMS mail log is for incoming mail (the posted
message received by EIMS and sent to you as a subscriber) rather than
outgoing mail (EIMS posting to the subscribers of your list). Perhaps it
wasn't so for the earlier mentioned entry of your own list, as both types
are listed in this situation?
>>Yes, the RFC From should probably be the same as the RFC To for digests. I
>>think I'll go change that!
>
>Cool!
Has been changed. Thanks for bringing it up!
>Are you sure? Where can I check to verify this, or to verify that I have
>mine set up right.
You can create a bounce by simply adding a non-existing subscriber to one
of your lists and see what happens. Once a list contribution has been
posted, the subscriber's mail server will bounce it back to AutoShare's
bounce folder. AutoShare picks it up, does see a list, but no valid
subscriber; both the RFC To and the envelope recipient of the processed
message file will indicate the list-specific listmaster, not the main
listmaster. If the list however cannot be validated, then AutoShare doesn't
know the name of the list and so must default to the main listmaster.
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:07:00 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Accents
At 21:49 -0400 16/9/1997, Alexandre Enkerli wrote:
>Hm, now accentuated characters appear in the titles of separate messages
>(in nodigest mode) but carry "iso8859-1" markers in Web archives and
>digests.
>Also, when I receive the default message from the list, Eudora complains
>about MIME errors.
Yes, the subject requires this different kind of "iso8859-1" wrapper (or
the lack of it depending on the situation). You need the change within
AutoShare, applied to both MIME and HTML.
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 00:30:34 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: 24 hour 1.4.1 beta alert
Good morning all
AutoShare 1.4.1b0 is available from
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
The 1.4.1b0 archive contains the two server applications and a note listing
the following updates:
-a rarely visited Hide Window bug has been fixed
-a double space in the subject of a returned mail indicating an invalid
list server command is no longer there
-a double () name in the From field of a returned mail indicating an
invalid list server command is no longer there
-the low disk space module has been refined
-the processing mode may now been manually disabled and enabled, either via
the toggling disable/enable processing menu item in the server Preferences
menu or via the AppleScript NonProcessing property in the SetStat command
-the server applications now take up less disk space and memory (the 68K
savings are 28K and 17K respectively)
-MIME and HTML have been applied to the subject field in list contributions
-the RFC From in list contributions is now the list (the RFC To)
1.4.1 is a minor version and will be released on Thursday. If any of the
above updates appear to be buggy, please speak up Wednesday (today). Thanks!
--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:22:03 -0400
From: Alexandre Enkerli <enkerlia at DITER.UMontreal dot CA>
Subject: Weird bug with complete admin
When I turn Balloon Help on, it does such things as not updating the screen
and refuses to do any update.
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:33:53 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Weird bug with complete admin
At 11:22 -0400 17/9/1997, Alexandre Enkerli wrote:
>When I turn Balloon Help on, it does such things as not updating the screen
>and refuses to do any update.
On rare occasions, it might take longer than it usually does.
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:32:06 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Errors-To?
At 12:28 am 17/9/97, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 23:30 +0100 16/9/1997, James Berriman wrote:
>I dunno when it comes to digests, James. Do you see any side-effects of
>changing the RFC From field body to that of the RFC To?
I don't immediately see any negative side effects :-)
It improves the level of useful information since the name of the list then
appears alongside the message in the subscriber's mailbox.
>>Mikael, how about adding an option for unresolved bounces to be directed to
>>the list-specific listmaster?
>
>But it does so automatically already ;-)
I hoped you were going to say that!
( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:32:17 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Errors-To?
At 12:07 am 17/9/97, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 16:40 -0400 16/9/1997, Michael Reid wrote:
>(While AutoShare sets the Errors-To to the bounce address, it certainly
>doesn't have to be this way. Furthermore, Errors-To isn't even listed in
>the RFC 822, which indicates some lack of standard in this area!)
Precedence: and Errors-To: are adopted as de-facto standards by the MLM
community, but I believe they are actually discouraged in the DRUMS draft
standards (intended to supersede rfc 822 and several related rfcs).
I haven't yet seen any mechanism proposed which actually addresses the
issue of mailing list loops better than the Precedence: header. It just
works!
Errors-To: probably doesn't get used much if at all, since MTAs use the
envelope address. But I guess it could be useful to a human admin if the
envelope got mangled (although they have a listmaster address to report
problems to!).
We could probably get by fine without it.
( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:32:34 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Errors-To?
At 1:34 am 17/9/97, Michael Reid wrote:
>Then how come when I watch other messages go through the server, sometimes
>I see the List Address instead, I think I see this on the WebStar Talk
>list. I will have to confirm this.
You're right. Webstar-talk runs on ListStar. Bounces go straight to the
list address. Evidently they have filtering set up to handle this. ListStar
is also often configured so that commands and posts go to the list address.
This is fine so long as your MLM software can prevent rogue bounces or
commands from hitting the list. ListStar is very good at this.
AutoShare uses separate addresses for commands, posts and bounces.
Personally, I prefer it that way.
( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:28:53 -0400
From: Alexandre Enkerli <enkerlia at DITER.UMontreal dot CA>
Subject: How can I make "List" work?
The list command (and the /=list token) doesn't seem to work on my setup:
____________________
To: Alexandre Enkerli <enkerlia at DITER.UMontreal dot CA>
From: listserv at camu.si.umontreal dot ca (Listserver du CAMU)
Subject: list
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:35:09 +0
Status:
The lists maintained by the listserver are:
(0 lists)
Process time was 0.96 seconds
Your original message is found below.
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Received: from ulys.POSTE.UMontreal.CA (132.204.2.41) by camu.SI.UMontreal.CA
with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:35:05 +0000
Received: from [10.0.2.15] (mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA [132.204.2.73]) by
ulys.POSTE.UMontreal.CA with ESMTP id NAA02489
(8.6.11/IDA-1.6 for <listserv at camu.si.umontreal dot ca>); Wed, 17 Sep 1997
13:18:19 -0400
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:18:19 -0400
X-Sender: enkerlia at poste.umontreal dot ca
Message-Id: <l03102803b0457c093183 at [10.0.2 dot 15]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To: listserv at camu.si.umontreal dot ca
From: Alexandre Enkerli <enkerlia at DITER.UMontreal dot CA>
list
---
This message has been returned to you by AutoShare, an AIMS utility
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:07:18 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Errors-To?
At 18:32 +0100 17/9/1997, James Berriman wrote:
>AutoShare uses separate addresses for commands, posts and bounces.
>Personally, I prefer it that way.
I personally find it downright scary when the list server address is the
same as the list address. It is so easy making a typo, and oops, your list
server request gets posted to all of the subscribers. Everyone is
inconvenienced.
PS: James, have you installed 1.4.1b0 by any chance? :-)
PPS: any chance of sending out the digests earlier today?
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:26:37 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: How can I make "List" work?
At 13:28 -0400 17/9/1997, Alexandre Enkerli wrote:
>The list command (and the /=list token) doesn't seem to work on my setup:
>The lists maintained by the listserver are:
>
>(0 lists)
In the Admin (Lists, then More List), what is Hide List set to?
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:20:29 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 17 Sep 1997
At 8:03 pm 17/9/97, AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk wrote:
>===== digest AutoShare-Talk, Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:03:13 =====
Dare I say it would now be useful to be able to give each list a real name?
(To go in the comment part of the From: header field).
Something like:
From: AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (AutoShare-Talk Discussion List)
( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:48:56 -0400
From: Alexandre Enkerli <enkerlia at DITER.UMontreal dot CA>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 17 Sep 1997
> Yes, the subject requires this different kind of "iso8859-1" wrapper
Ok.
> You need the change within AutoShare, applied to both MIME and HTML.
How do I do that?
> In the Admin (Lists, then More List), what is Hide List set to?
All three lists are set to default and the global preference (when I don't
select any list) is set to no.
> ** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:53:46 -0400
From: Alexandre Enkerli <enkerlia at DITER.UMontreal dot CA>
Subject: Ok, list works...
I put no in the list-specific preferences and it works.
Thanks.
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:07:41 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 17 Sep 1997
At 20:20 +0100 17/9/1997, James Berriman wrote:
>Dare I say it would now be useful to be able to give each list a real name?
>From: AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (AutoShare-Talk Discussion List)
Argh!! Definitely a must :-)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:14:11 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 17 Sep 1997
At 15:48 -0400 17/9/1997, Alexandre Enkerli wrote:
>> You need the change within AutoShare, applied to both MIME and HTML.
>How do I do that?
1.4.1b0 does it for you automatically.
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:15:40 -0400
From: Alexandre Enkerli <enkerlia at DITER.UMontreal dot CA>
Subject: Pictorius NetServers as IMS?
Would it be possible to use PNS as an alternative to EIMS? Its mail server
is very basic but it has the advantages of being a Web server using
human-readable pref files. It's not scriptable, though.
As far as I can see, it basically has about the same settings as SIMS:
User Name
Real Name
Password
Use Mailbox (checkbox)
APOP Required (checkbox)
Mailbox size (MB)/No Limit (checkbox)
Forwarding Address
Response File (Kind of personal acknowledgement)
FTP Folder
HTTP Folder
Its access restrictions are based on groups and apply separately to HTTP,
Mail and Files/Folders.
Also, as a Web server, it has several "agents" which are simpler to use
than CGIs. For instance, there are "HTML Form to Mail" and "HTML Form to
File" agents which might be helpful.
Thanks again for your help.
Sorry for the number of messages I'm sending to the list.
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:58:50 +0000
From: Bill Bedford <billbpm at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Size Limit
Is there a size limit for messages sent via Autoshare?
I have had a message sent to a list address that bouced with this message
************************************************************
ATTENTION PLEASE
Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
A list server command must be sent to the list server address
The list server address is autoshare at mousa.demon.co dot uk
************************************************************
I have examined the headers but cannot find any thing wrong, and the person
concerned has successfully sent to the list in the last few days.
Has anyone any ideas of what is happening?
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:04:39 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Size Limit
At 20:58 +0000 17/9/1997, Bill Bedford wrote:
>Is there a size limit for messages sent via Autoshare?
Yes, there is a configurable upper limit of lines in the body.
That however is not the cause of the alert message:
>Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
>A list server command must be sent to the list server address
We need to see the subject field and the first body line.
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:58:50 +0000
From: Bill Bedford <billbpm at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Size Limit
Is there a size limit for messages sent via Autoshare?
I have had a message sent to a list address that bouced with this message
************************************************************
ATTENTION PLEASE
Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
A list server command must be sent to the list server address
The list server address is autoshare at mousa.demon.co dot uk
************************************************************
I have examined the headers but cannot find any thing wrong, and the person
concerned has successfully sent to the list in the last few days.
Has anyone any ideas of what is happening?
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:28:20 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Size Limit
At 16:04 -0700 17/9/1997, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>>Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
>>A list server command must be sent to the list server address
>
>We need to see the subject field and the first body line.
It turned out that the first word in the subject field was who, which is a
valid list server command and the same as review.
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:15:35 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 1.4.1 released
Hi all
AutoShare 1.4.1 is available from
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/>
The 1.4.1 archive contains the two server applications, an updated addendum
and a script for the fun of it. The archive is partial, as 1.4.1 is a minor
version.
Latest changes are:
-Most X-List- headers are now List- headers (immediately visible)
-Added () names to RFC From, To and Reply-To where needed
--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:12:17 -0400
From: Michael Reid <michael_reid at wow dot net>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 1.4.1 released
Hi,
>AutoShare 1.4.1 is available from
>
> <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/>
>
>The 1.4.1 archive contains the two server applications, an updated addendum
>and a script for the fun of it. The archive is partial, as 1.4.1 is a minor
>version.
>
>Latest changes are:
>
>-Most X-List- headers are now List- headers (immediately visible)
>-Added () names to RFC From, To and Reply-To where needed
Fantastic! Installed and running yesterday, just in time to see the new
digests...
I can't say enough what a great product this is!
BTW, is the change to 'Most X-List- headers are now List- headers
(immediately visible)', meant so that mail clients like Eudora don't
auto-hide the headers? Because with this latest digest I see a lot more
headers, even though the 'Blah, Blah' is off.
Michael Reid | Addr: 17 Sweet Briar Rd., P.O.S.
Internal Systems Admin. | Trinidad., West Indies.
WOW.Net Ltd. | Tel.: 1-868-622-6872
http://www.wow.net/ | Fax.: 1-868-622-6096
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:39:01 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 1.4.1 released
Michael Reid wrote:
>BTW, is the change to 'Most X-List- headers are now List- headers
>(immediately visible)', meant so that mail clients like Eudora don't
>auto-hide the headers? Because with this latest digest I see a lot more
>headers, even though the 'Blah, Blah' is off.
The main List- headers are part of an IETF draft, and therefore do not have
the X- prefix, which signifies a user-defined header field. Eventually you
should see mail clients which use those headers to present you with a nice
user-friendly interface to the most common list commands.
Eudora relies on its own rules to figure out which headers to display. What
you are seeing is just a side effect, and not intentional.
( :-]) James
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 14 Sep 1997
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 17:40:17 -0400
From: Emiliano <subscriptions at lifelong dot com>
I just upgraded from Autoshare 1.3 to 1.4 and 1.4.1. When I try to use
ADMIN to create a new subscriber or to create a new list I get the error
message:
"An error occurred while executing the script of <<class RAD>> "newlist":
can't set <<class CHK>> "conceal" to "No". (-10006)
I am running Mac OS 8. Any suggestions anyone?
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:16:51 -0400
From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
Subject: Re[2]: AutoShare-Talk digest 14 Sep 1997
I've seen this before as well, I usually create the actual folder structure for
the list first, and even an empty subscribers file. That should get you by the
error.
Bill Suarez
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 14 Sep 1997
From: AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet
Date: 9/19/97 5:40 PM
I just upgraded from Autoshare 1.3 to 1.4 and 1.4.1. When I try to use
ADMIN to create a new subscriber or to create a new list I get the error
message:
"An error occurred while executing the script of <<class RAD>> "newlist":
can't set <<class CHK>> "conceal" to "No". (-10006)
I am running Mac OS 8. Any suggestions anyone?
** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:40:15 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 14 Sep 1997
At 17:40 -0400 19/9/1997, Emiliano wrote:
>I just upgraded from Autoshare 1.3 to 1.4 and 1.4.1. When I try to use
>ADMIN to create a new subscriber or to create a new list I get the error
>message:
>
>"An error occurred while executing the script of <<class RAD>> "newlist":
>can't set <<class CHK>> "conceal" to "No". (-10006)
When releasing version 1.4, I forgot to update the Admin scripts for the
New List and New Subscriber buttons to reflect related changes :-(
The safest way to create a new list is to shut down AutoShare and then put
an empty file having the list name in the List Server folder where your
subscriber list files are. Once you restart up AutoShare, preferences will
be created for the new list.
If you choose not to shut down AutoShare when adding the new file, you must
issue the Run command immediately after having put the file in the folder
in order to update the preferences. The Run command, which reloads the
preferences, may be issued within the Admin's Where is AutoShare? window.
Or via a simple script such as
tell application "AutoShare"
run
end tell
If you would like to add a new subscriber by editing a list file directly,
be sure to insert the entry according to how the list is sorted. If it is
not inserted in its proper place, subscriber searches will fail; the list
will however be sorted when AutoShare is started next time.
A safer way is to run a script such as
tell application "AutoShare"
Subscribe List "fun-l" Email "a@b" Name "a b"
end tell
Or you can add the subscriber using remote administration by e-mail using a
passworded line such as
rosebud subscribe a@b fun-l a b
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 23 Sep 1997
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 97 21:38:53 -0400
From: Emiliano <subscriptions at lifelong dot com>
>When releasing version 1.4, I forgot to update the Admin scripts for the
>New List and New Subscriber buttons to reflect related changes :-(
It is always a relief when we discover that the cause of a problem is an
oversight and that the author is sufficiently on top of things to also
have a solution. Thank you for a great product.