Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:33:44 +0100
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: AS + SIMS
Hi all
Questions from a beginner.
I'm trying Autoshare 2.1b1 with SIMS 1.5. Does someone have the same
config, who could help me ?
I'm trying to set a list the very basic way. Let's call it list. What are
the list.d and list.m files in the autoshare lists folder supposed to
contain ?
When autoshare processes a mail sent to list, it then sends it to the
list.m account. It's a sims distribution account, whose distribution
addresses should be stored in the list.m file aliased as list dot m@L, but this
one is empty. Am I missing something here ?
TIA
# Serge
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:05:03 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: AS + SIMS
>Questions from a beginner.
>I'm trying Autoshare 2.1b1 with SIMS 1.5. Does someone have the same
>config, who could help me ?
>I'm trying to set a list the very basic way. Let's call it list. What are
>the list.d and list.m files in the autoshare lists folder supposed to
>contain ?
Those files contain the digest and non-digest subscribers addresses,
respectively. You don't create those files, though. AutoShare does,
whenever a posting is sent to the list members or a digest is mailed out.
See below for more...
>When autoshare processes a mail sent to list, it then sends it to the
>list.m account. It's a sims distribution account, whose distribution
>addresses should be stored in the list.m file aliased as list dot m@L, but this
>one is empty. Am I missing something here ?
... it sounds like you are either right or very close. In the SIMS accounts
folder, you should have a file called "list dot m@L" and another called
"list.d@L" that are aliases to AutoShare's list.m and list dot d files.
However, when you create the SIMS accounts for those two files, SIMS will
automatically create blank text files called list.m at L and list dot d@L for you.
You don't want those. So, trash them and replace them with the
aforementioned aliases.
You also will need a SIMS account called "list" that is set to "save to
folder only" or however it is phrased in SIMS. This will create a file
called "list" and a folder called "list@F" in the SIMS accounts folder.
Trash that folder and replace it with an alias to the AutoShare Submitted
folder.
Finally, when you are setting up the AutoShare@yoursite account in SIMS,
replace the AutoShare@F folder that SIMS creates with an alias to
AutoShare's "Mailback" folder (I think). This way, you will be able to use
the really cool Mailback confirmation feature of AutoShare.
If I missed something, let us know!
-Jonathan {;-)
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:20:09 +0100
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: AS + SIMS
I did exactly as you mentionned. The problem is that...
>Those files contain the digest and non-digest subscribers addresses,
>respectively. You don't create those files, though. AutoShare does,
>whenever a posting is sent to the list members or a digest is mailed out.
... Autoshare did create the files on the first mail to the list, I made
aliases of thoses files named list.d at L and list dot m@L in the sims accounts
folder, and...
the files remain desperately blank. In fact AS created but didn't fill them.
But the problem may be elsewhere. I understood that one of the first steps
to create a list, in fact the first that make AS recognize that there is a
list, is to create a blank text file in the autoshare lists folder which
name is the list name. Am I wrong ?
# Serge
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:40:37 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AS + SIMS
At 17:20 +0100 6/1/1998, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>In fact AS created but didn't fill them [the .m and .d list files].
That would generally only happen if the mail option is set to nomail for
all subscribers. If you are the only subscriber on your test list, be sure
to set the ack option first.
>But the problem may be elsewhere. I understood that one of the first steps
>to create a list, in fact the first that make AS recognize that there is a
>list, is to create a blank text file in the autoshare lists folder which
>name is the list name. Am I wrong ?
You are right. The very existence of that main list file is what defines a
valid list.
Whether or not it applies to the above, SIMS account scripting would
certainly be a breeze!
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:04:20 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: AS + SIMS
>I did exactly as you mentionned. The problem is that...
>
>>Those files contain the digest and non-digest subscribers addresses,
>>respectively. You don't create those files, though. AutoShare does,
>>whenever a posting is sent to the list members or a digest is mailed out.
>
>... Autoshare did create the files on the first mail to the list, I made
>aliases of thoses files named list.d at L and list dot m@L in the sims accounts
>folder, and...
>the files remain desperately blank. In fact AS created but didn't fill them.
>
>But the problem may be elsewhere. I understood that one of the first steps
>to create a list, in fact the first that make AS recognize that there is a
>list, is to create a blank text file in the autoshare lists folder which
>name is the list name. Am I wrong ?
Ah! I actually disagree with Mikael's response to this (even though he IS
the author of the program!) but I did run into the same problem you are
describing. I remember that when I first tried to use AutoShare, I created
blank text files as appropriate for each list, but for some reason, I
couldn't it to work right, exactly in the same way you describe. I later
discovered that list information is stored in the AutoShare preferences
file (in your :System Folder:Preferences) and that this information is only
created by explicitly informing AutoShare of a list's existence. This is
done using AutoShare Admin or via your own home-made applescripts, as far
as I can tell. I just use the Admin.
SOOOO, the fix to your problem may be to _throw away_ the "list" file from
the AutoShare hierarchy and to recreate it by having AutoShare Admin create
it _for you_. Just go to the "Lists" menu option in the AutoShare Admin,
and click the bottom-left button (I don't have the admin with me and can't
remember what it reads). I think it says List in the latest release.
Anyway, create a new list through that option.
Now, add subscribers to your list (such as yourself). Now, send a test
message, and check to see if list.d or list.m actually DO contain anything.
Hopefully, they do.
In summary to this long, odd response:
1) Scrap your "List" file from AutoShare's folder. You can leave the list.d
and list.m files if you want--it does not matter if you do or don't.
2) In AutoShare Admin's List window, create a new list.
3) Add at least one subscriber to the list; the best candidate is your own
address.
4) Send an e-mail to the list and see if everything now works correctly
(did your subscribers get the mail?)
5) If the answer to (4) is no, give us details! If yes, well--good job. :)
-Jonathan {;-)
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:35:03 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AS + SIMS
At 00:04 -0500 7/1/1998, Jonathan Shaw wrote:
>Ah! I actually disagree with Mikael's response to this (even though he IS
>the author of the program!) but I did run into the same problem you are
>describing. I remember that when I first tried to use AutoShare, I created
>blank text files as appropriate for each list, but for some reason, I
>couldn't it to work right, exactly in the same way you describe. I later
>discovered that list information is stored in the AutoShare preferences
>file (in your :System Folder:Preferences) and that this information is only
>created by explicitly informing AutoShare of a list's existence. This is
>done using AutoShare Admin or via your own home-made applescripts, as far
>as I can tell. I just use the Admin.
It is correct that the preferences need to be updated to reflect the new
list file in order to fully validate the list :-) I tend to have this
picture in my head that the AutoShare server is not running when you create
the new list file, and once restarted, the preferences are updated
automatically. When the server is running at the time that the file is
being created, then simply tell the AutoShare application to "run" in
AppleScript, causing the updated preferences to be reloaded (in the Admin,
see the window after Command-E).
James once alerted me to this expected behaviour in AppleScript, quoting
from Danny Goodman's excellent AppleScript Handbook, which I immediately
got a hold of and then updated the server to act accordingly.
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:54:29 +0100
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: AS strange prefs behaviour (Re: AS + SIMS)
Following Mikael and Jonathan was very helpfull - thanks. Now I've got my
first list running.
I should just mention why I had such troubles. It may not be worth for
anybody, but who knows ?
It seems not asolutely necessary to reload settings when you create a list
only with files.
BUT when you do this, BEWARE of the fuc^h^h^h not really friendly trailing
line-feed ! This was the cause of most of my troubles.
Ie, when you create a list file from scratch, the last address is not
recognized if not followed but a line-feed. You can imagine how puzzling it
is when your test list has only one address !
Restarting AS doesn't help. But updating the list with AS Admin does, as I
suppose that the list is then rewritten as needed.
Now I should just ask 2 more questions and go to sleep.
1) I'm sure this one is in the doc, but I have enough for today. Can
someone tell me please, how to have any user of any list acknowledged by
default ?
2) Can someone send me a copy of AS 2.1b3 ? ftp.dnai.com is slow like hell
from here and frequently closing down. I'm currently pushing the resume
command of fetch to its limit (and it works!) but there sure is a better
way.
TIA
# Serge
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:48:45 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AS strange prefs behaviour (Re: AS + SIMS)
At 17:54 +0100 7/1/1998, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>BUT when you do this, BEWARE of the fuc^h^h^h not really friendly trailing
>line-feed ! This was the cause of most of my troubles.
>Ie, when you create a list file from scratch, the last address is not
>recognized if not followed but a line-feed. You can imagine how puzzling
>it is when your test list has only one address !
A series of characters not properly terminated is not really a line :-) The
Mac terminates a line using the CR character, whose code is 13 (0D in hex).
>1) I'm sure this one is in the doc, but I have enough for today. Can
>someone tell me please, how to have any user of any list acknowledged by
>default ?
See the More List window in the Admin. Click Yes in Acknowledgement, and
any new subscriber is then set to ack at subscription time.
>2) Can someone send me a copy of AS 2.1b3 ? ftp.dnai.com is slow like hell
>from here and frequently closing down. I'm currently pushing the resume
>command of fetch to its limit (and it works!) but there sure is a better
>way.
ftp.dnai.com is fine and fast from here though. If anyone feels like
setting up an auto-response account with an enclosure, that would be sweet!
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:15:27 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: AS strange prefs behaviour (Re: AS + SIMS)
At 8:48 pm 7/1/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 17:54 +0100 7/1/1998, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>ftp.dnai.com is fine and fast from here though. If anyone feels like
>setting up an auto-response account with an enclosure, that would be sweet!
I put it up before I left work, at
<mailto:autoshare-software at dcl.co.uk?subject=2.1b3.sit dot hqx>. I haven't
tested it yet. Let me know if you have any problems.
ftp.dnai.com was slow for me too yesterday (took over an hour, I seem to
recall).
(:-]) James
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:06:22 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: AS strange prefs behaviour (Re: AS + SIMS)
At 1:15 am 8/1/98, James Berriman wrote:
>I put it up before I left work, at
><mailto:autoshare-software at dcl.co.uk?subject=2.1b3.sit dot hqx>. I haven't
>tested it yet. Let me know if you have any problems.
OK, I'm tired. I meant
<mailto:AutoShare-software at dcl.co.uk?subject=AutoShare-2.1b3 dot sit>. I tested
it, too.
( :-]) James
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:41:07 +0100
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: AS strange prefs behaviour (Re: AS + SIMS)
>OK, I'm tired. I meant
><mailto:AutoShare-software at dcl.co.uk?subject=AutoShare-2.1b3 dot sit>. I tested
>it, too.
By the time this mail arrived I already managed to get a copy of AS. But it
was ridiculously hard, compared to the about 5mn it took me to get it via
your address. Thanks !
# Serge
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:05:36 +0100
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: AS suggestion time
>If some feature
>doesn't work the way you expect it to or there is something you don't
>understand, the talk list is the place to, well, talk about it.
About the prefix feature. It's smart enough not to adds itself on the
subject of a reply. What would be smarter then is '[list] Re: subject' and
not 'Re: [list] subject' as it is now.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:51:22 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: AS suggestion time
At 17:05 8/1/98, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>>If some feature
>>doesn't work the way you expect it to or there is something you don't
>>understand, the talk list is the place to, well, talk about it.
>
>About the prefix feature. It's smart enough not to adds itself on the
>subject of a reply. What would be smarter then is '[list] Re: subject' and
>not 'Re: [list] subject' as it is now.
Funny, that same thought had crossed my mind earlier today!
Unfortunately, it would break the sort by subject mechanism in Eudora :-(
If you sorted the mailbox by subject you'd see something like this:
[list] Re: subject
[list] Re: subject
[list] Re: test
[list] Re: test
[list] subject
[list] test
As opposed to:
[list] subject
Re: [list] subject
Re: [list] subject
[list] test
Re: [list] test
Re: [list] test
( :-]) James
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:03:14 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AS suggestion time
At 18:05 +0100 8/1/1998, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>About the prefix feature. It's smart enough not to adds itself on the
>subject of a reply. What would be smarter then is '[list] Re: subject' and
>not 'Re: [list] subject' as it is now.
Nope, the latter is smartest. This sequence is also used on, say, the Unix
Majordomo list server.
At 17:51 +0000 8/1/1998, James Berriman wrote:
>Unfortunately, it would break the sort by subject mechanism in Eudora :-(
Yes, it would. And thereby also the Option click on a given message field
in message box in Eudora, a feature which groups a thread (suggested by
yours truly and implemented by Steve Dorner, who in person gave me a
t-shirt in return!).
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:37:12 +0100
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Charset question
>>Unfortunately, it would break the sort by subject mechanism in Eudora :-(
>
>Yes, it would. And thereby also the Option click on a given message field
>in message box in Eudora, a feature which groups a thread (suggested by
>yours truly and implemented by Steve Dorner, who in person gave me a
>t-shirt in return!).
So much for my suggestion ; the eudora trick is worth the deception !
Here's another question.
I post with eudora set to mac->iso 8859-1 without qp, and many of our
subscribers will do so.
The mails arriving in the filed mail folder are translated as well, ie the
character e' #142 under mac charset becomes #233 under iso charset.
Allright.
But then this text is parsed for html archives as if #233 was the original
mac character `E and note an iso counterpart.
While this is not a problem for the mail itself, it makes the archives
inaccurate and difficult to read. I can't believe such a mistake exists. I
must do something wrong, but what ?
TIA
# Serge
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:43:40 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Charset question
At 16:37 +0100 9/1/1998, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>But then this text is parsed for html archives as if #233 was the origin=
al
>mac character `E and note an iso counterpart.
I tried it. The HTML file says
é
and the browser says
é
Looks fine to me :-)
Date: 9 Jan 1998 12:43:36 -0500
From: "Steve Rothman" <steve_rothman at rdm.scitex dot com>
Subject: AS "equivalent" in Win95
Is there any freeware/shareware/cheapware that offers similar power to an
Autoshare/EIMS combo for Windows95?
My co-worker has access to a solid SMTP server but not to a POP server, and
must use a PC not a Mac (too bad!).
The only thing I've seen so far is Listserv for Win95 and NT, but it's a bit
pricey.
Any pointers? -SR
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:01:57 +0100
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: Charset question
>>But then this text is parsed for html archives as if #233 was the original
>>mac character `E and note an iso counterpart.
>
>I tried it. The HTML file says
> é
>and the browser says
> é
>Looks fine to me :-)
This is nothing but normal in your case, #233 _is_ e', but this is not what
I meant.
If I send the letter e', eudora converts it to the character #233. The text
of the mail in the filed mail folder contains this character, and AS sees
it as the character whose number is 233 _in the mac charset_, ie `E. It
then process this character as if it was a real `E, not checking the header
of the arrived mail, not taking into account that this mail has been
mac->iso translated.
I can give you plenty of examples :-)
# Serge
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:39:40 -0600
From: Tom Weishaar <TomW at SiteCentral dot com>
Subject: Administrative Posts and Multi-Part MIME
I have a client who I've set up to use the "administrative post"
technique to send email to her announcement list. She just changed to a
new Microsoft emailer and her messages are getting bounced by Autoshare.
I think it has to do with the messages being in multi-part mime format.
Does anyone on the list have any experience with this?
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:26:59 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Administrative Posts and Multi-Part MIME
At 15:39 -0600 11/1/1998, Tom Weishaar wrote:
>I have a client who I've set up to use the "administrative post"
>technique to send email to her announcement list. She just changed to a
>new Microsoft emailer and her messages are getting bounced by Autoshare.
>I think it has to do with the messages being in multi-part mime format.
The multi-part MIME format causes multi-line segments to be inserted in the
body before each distinct portion of data. As one such multi-line segment
is inserted before the passworded line, this line is no longer the first in
the body and appears after passwordwise invalid lines.
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:48:32 -0600
From: Tom Weishaar <TomW at SiteCentral dot com>
Subject: Re: Administrative Posts and Multi-Part MIME
My client's emailer is:
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3
Somewhere I read that Microsoft's newer emailers _always_ send
multi-part MIME unless you turn it off somehow. Was that on this list?
Does anyone know the details of how to turn it off?
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:28:00 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Administrative Posts and Multi-Part MIME
At 21:48 -0600 12/1/1998, Tom Weishaar wrote:
>My client's emailer is:
>
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3
>
> Somewhere I read that Microsoft's newer emailers _always_ send
>multi-part MIME unless you turn it off somehow. Was that on this list?
>Does anyone know the details of how to turn it off?
Btw, you may get around the remote post thing by applying the new moderator
approach described in the 2.1b3, as the permission to post is there not
based on a password, but on the post subscriber option.
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:19:55 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Setting options for users via AppleScript
For some reason, the "post" option turned itself on for one of my lists
recently, so new subscribers have gotten the ability to post to what it
supposed to be a receive-only list.
What I've been trying to figure out is if there's a better/easier way to
turn posting off for all these new subscribers than:
get a list of all subscribers
repeat for each subscriber
get the subscriber's options
if "Subscriber Post" of the options is true then
set "Subscriber Post" of the options to false
unsubscribe this subscriber
subscribe this subscriber with the new set of options
end if
end repeat
Needless to say, the above is paraphrased, but it's what my AppleScript
does.
It just seems like there should be a "set subscriber" command to go along
with the "get subscriber" command; having to unsubscribe and resubscribe
to change options has INCREDIBLY high overhead.
Is there a better way to do this?
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:42:39 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Setting options for users via AppleScript
At 08:19 -0800 14/1/1998, Mark Hartman wrote:
>It just seems like there should be a "set subscriber" command to go along
>with the "get subscriber" command; having to unsubscribe and resubscribe
>to change options has INCREDIBLY high overhead.
>
>Is there a better way to do this?
In 2.1b3, find the SetAllSubscribersToNoPost2 script, which applies to all
subscribers of a given list. For fun, compare it to the
SetAllSubscribersToNoPost1 script, as one script has the mentioned overhead
while the other doesn't. For details, the updated documentation in 2.1b3
also makes references to these two scripts.
The "set subscriber" command is built into the Subscribe command.
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:46:49 -0500 (EST)
From: "Michael J. Vinca" <MJV2411 at ritvax.isc.rit dot edu>
Subject: Empty lists created
I'm new at this so this question might sound stupid. I've been working on it
for a couple days now and can't find a solution in documentation.
I have created a list. People can subscribe and unsubscribe without problem.
When mailing to the list however, Autoshare creates two zero K files for the d
and m lists. The message as a result, goes nowhere. You can ask for an archive
and all the messages are there. I've tried almost every option in the
Autoshare Admin to try to get the lists to work to no avail. I'll stop now and
see if anyone has come across a similar problem. If no one answers, I'll
repost with more detail.
Autoshare 2.0 with EIMS 1.2
The list is in testing right now so feel free to try them out if that helps.
Its name is "sab" and you can subscribe to it at autoshare at newman.ml dot org
(If you don't like fake domain names... m320m02.isc.rit.edu)
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:20:37 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Empty lists created
At 20:46 -0500 14/1/1998, Michael J. Vinca wrote:
>I have created a list. People can subscribe and unsubscribe without problem.
>When mailing to the list however, Autoshare creates two zero K files for the
>d and m lists. The message as a result, goes nowhere. You can ask for an
>archive and all the messages are there. I've tried almost every option in
>the Autoshare Admin to try to get the lists to work to no avail.
As the two files are created, but not written to, it most likely indicates
that the post option of the subscribers is enabled. Do the main list file's
subscriber entries contain a 4 after the ..? Also, does the Get Info date
of the two files get updated when a list contribution takes place?
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:51:41 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Empty lists created
At 19:20 -0800 14/1/1998, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>As the two files are created, but not written to, it most likely indicates
>that the post option of the subscribers is enabled. Do the main list file's
>subscriber entries contain a 4 after the ..? Also, does the Get Info date
>of the two files get updated when a list contribution takes place?
Under the weather... Change "enabled" to "disabled", then change "post
option" to "mail option" and "4" to "2".
When the subscriber option contains a 2 after the .., the mail option is
disabled. The subscriber receives no mail whether being a m(essage) or a
(d)igest subscriber, so neither file is updated with this subscriber.
Michael, if this is not it, send a StuffIt'ed copy of the three list files
and a fresh analysis file to me at meh at dnai dot com, and I'll take a look at it.
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:17:10 -0500 (EST)
From: "Michael J. Vinca" <MJV2411 at ritvax.isc.rit dot edu>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 16 Jan 1998
Upon checking the server today to try your advice, the first thing I did was
look at the lists. My mailing list was updated this morning (three days after
my test subscribe) with a ..02 at midnight. The mailing list now had a size
and could be posted to. Testing so, it worked. I received the message back.
When does autoshare create and update the .m and .d mailing lists?
Now this really throws me for a loop because 2 means no mail, right? So why
did I get the post?
The file "sab" was updated last on Tuesday at 4:28. The file "sab.m" like I
said, was last updated on Friday 12:00.
Doing a test from a different account, the file "sab" updates. The new address
contains no numbers. The old address contains 0 and 3. So now I have mail and
acknowledgement on my old address. The file "sab.m" contains the same thing
for my old address and does not contain my new address at all. Yet it
was also updated in Get Info...
Any ideas?
P.S. I'm starting to think maybe it was always a three, I just saw a two
looking at it real quick. That is the only way my mind can explain that. But
it still stands that "sab.m" did not update.
Michael J. Vinca
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:02:32 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 16 Jan 1998
At 12:17 -0500 16/1/1998, Michael J. Vinca wrote:
>When does autoshare create and update the .m and .d mailing lists?
Whenever a list contribution is posted or digests are mailed. (One might
argue that only the m(essage) file needs to be updated at list contribution
time and that only d(igest) files need to be updated at digest time;
updating both files creates only a minor overhead however.)
>Now this really throws me for a loop because 2 means no mail, right? So why
>did I get the post?
>
>The file "sab" was updated last on Tuesday at 4:28. The file "sab.m" like I
>said, was last updated on Friday 12:00.
>
>Doing a test from a different account, the file "sab" updates. The new
>address
>contains no numbers. The old address contains 0 and 3. So now I have
>mail and
>acknowledgement on my old address.
You want to make sure that you are comparing with the correct address. If
your AutoShare is configured to use the SMTP envelope sender address rather
than the RFC From address, then it is the former that you should be
comparing the subscriber entry address with.
>The file "sab.m" contains the same thing for my old address and does not
>contain my new address at all.
The digits in the .m and .d files do not matter. These files are to be used
by the mail server, which has no knowledge of they mean.
>P.S. I'm starting to think maybe it was always a three, I just saw a two
>looking at it real quick. That is the only way my mind can explain that. But
>it still stands that "sab.m" did not update.
You may want to run Disk First Aid and/or Norton. Maybe even rebuild your
desktop. Just to make sure that your file system is OK.
AutoShare uses enhanced memory buffering to speed up considerably the
updating of the .m and .d files, which makes the code a lot more
complicated (if your Virtual Memory is turned on, try turning it off). I
can't say though that I have received any other report indicating
inconsistencies such as yours.
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 17 Jan 1998
From: Roger Booth <Roger_Booth at pubshop.demon.co dot uk>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:09:28 +0000
*This message was sent using a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) FC Gateway*
Can the autorespond part of Autoshare be configured yet to reply to the =
"from" address rather than the "rply-to" address?=
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:43:21 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 17 Jan 1998
At 13:09 +0000 17/1/1998, Roger Booth wrote:
>Can the autorespond part of Autoshare be configured yet to reply to the
>"from" address rather than the "rply-to" address?
The default behaviour with standard auto-responses is that AutoShare picks
the reply address from neither RFC header address, but rather from the
original SMTP envelope. You can however override this behaviour and use the
original RFC From address instead, so the answer to your question is yes.
From the 2.0 documentation:
Running the server
Running an auto-responder
Auto-response tokens
"/=rfcfrom = updates envelope recipient to RFC To"
The SMTP envelope recipient address, which mail servers use for outgoing
mails (rather than the RFC To address!), is updated by AutoShare to reflect
the RFC To address, which is the original RFC From address.
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:09:37 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 2.1b4
The 2.1b4 archive has been uploaded to
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
My thanks to Serge, whose persistent feedback helped refine AutoShare
dealing with an environment that is MIME, but not quoted-printable.
And to Jonathan, who ran into a grand mess by accidently running two copies
of the AutoShare server application concurrently and yet presented the
dilemma in such a humorous fashion that I couldn't help but instantly
making sure that the second process were to shut down at start-up.
Rather than just shutting down the server, the proposal also included
bringing up an alert dialog describing why the server is about to be shut
down. Unlike standard dialogs which are generally activated by the user,
alert dialogs generally owe their presence to a decision made by the
software. And when the software is unattended server software, blocking
dialogs are less than desirable, which is why an alert dialog dealing with
a situation such as the above will automatically close after a given number
of seconds (default is 20 seconds), if not already closed by the user.
If you run into another situation where the server shuts down without such
a scenario, let me know, and I'll take care of it.
More refinements have been added to the built-in automated bounce module.
Test bounces now include an X-AutoShare-Bounce-List header, making it
easier to identify the list name within the bounce message caused by a test
message. More bounce formats have been added, courtesy of Mr. Shaw. Same
for the log test bounce count now reflecting the number of test messages
sent (be sure to run a batch of logs before shutting down the old version),
for list-specific logs as well.
As betas are risky business, please beware.
From: Ricardo Davis <ricardo at ustaxpayers dot org>
Subject: "Where Is Autoshare?" (GRRRR!)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 02:11:44 -0500
Hi all,
When using the AutoShare Admin 2.0 app, almost every time I select a
command a dialog box pops up saying "I forgot where AutoShare is"; clicking
OK gets me another dialog for me to locate the app. It's starting to get
quite aggravating. Does anyone have an answer to this dilema?
-Ricardo
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:50:13 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: "Where Is Autoshare?" (GRRRR!)
At 02:11 -0500 19/1/1998, Ricardo Davis wrote:
>When using the AutoShare Admin 2.0 app, almost every time I select a
>command a dialog box pops up saying "I forgot where AutoShare is"; clicking
>OK gets me another dialog for me to locate the app. It's starting to get
>quite aggravating. Does anyone have an answer to this dilema?
It looks like you are shutting down and restarting the server application
frequently. If you start up the server application and then the Admin, then
you'll get the question. But if you shut down the Admin and start it up
again, you shouldn't be getting the prompt. I never do. (I am going to go
as far as to say that if the Admin is running and you shut down the server
and restart it, you shouldn't get the prompt either!)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:57:18 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 2.1b5
The 2.1b5 archive has been uploaded to
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
This version includes three new features:
1. You may configure the built-in bounce module to remove the subscriber
from all lists rather than just the list in question. This is enabled by
including the letter f in the Misc Stuff property in the Misc Settings (the
Misc Stuff field after Command-J in the Admin).
2. The Bypass Add parameter has been added to the AppleScript Subscribe
command. When specified to be true, the command basically acts as a SET
command since an actual subscription does not take place.
3. The high-speed "@" trick (btw automatically bypassing any subscription)
of the AppleScript Subscribe command has been extended to include every
option on an individual basis. The following script tells AutoShare to
update all Fun-L subscribers to yes to conceal and no to post. Make backups
of your list files before engaging in this kind of fun.
tell application "AutoShare"
set myOptions to {}
set myOptions to myOptions & {Subscriber Conceal: true}
set myOptions to myOptions & {Subscriber Post: false}
Subscribe List "fun-l" Email "@" Options myOptions
end tell
As betas are risky business, please beware.
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:02:40 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 2.1b5
2.1b5 is now available from autoshare-software at dcl.co dot uk
<mailto:autoshare-software at dcl.co.uk?subject=AutoShare-2.1b5 dot sit>
( :-]) James
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:21:42 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 2.1 released
Hello all
AutoShare 2.1 has been uploaded and is available from
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/>
Version 2.1 introduces built-in Cron support and offers enhancements in the
areas of the built-in automated bounce module, process extenders,
moderators of moderated and announcement lists, up-to-date full
scriptability plus many minor improvements and bug fixes.
Included is also Jonathan's modification of the SIMS page. Nice graphics!
Feel free to post any questions that you may have. And thanks for
participating in the public beta 2.1 :-)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:30:28 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: AutoShare 2.1 available via email.
AutoShare 2.1 is now available from autoshare-software at dcl.co dot uk
<mailto:autoshare-software at dcl.co.uk?subject=AutoShare-2.1 dot sit>
The complete Admin is also available.
<mailto:autoshare-software at dcl.co.uk?subject=CompleteAdmin-2.1 dot sit>
( :-]) James
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:22:52 +0200
From: Christophe Reverd <cReverd at Xon-Xoff dot com>
Subject: Trouble to create a new list
Le 8/01/98, Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu> ecrivait :
> In summary :
> 1) Scrap your "List" file from AutoShare's folder. You can leave the list.d
> and list.m files if you want--it does not matter if you do or don't.
> 2) In AutoShare Admin's List window, create a new list.
I use Autoshare for a long time now. I regulary update both Autoshare and
AutoShare Admin. I run a PPC v2.1b3 on a v7.5.5 system. It's okay exceipt
regarding the French specific lowercase. What's new about this point Mikael
?
Now, I'd like to add a new list. I tried to click on the "List" button
without success. Then I deleted the "Flash" file without success ("Flash"
is the name of the new mail list I'd like to create). I also tried to add
it again in the "LS" folder with the same result... Here's the message :
"An error occured while executing the script of class PUSH "update" : No
result was returned from some part of this expression. (-2763)."
What's the trouble ? Any clue ?
Thanks for your help.
Christophe Reverd
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:48:07 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Trouble to create a new list
At 11:22 23/1/98, Christophe Reverd wrote:
>"An error occured while executing the script of class PUSH "update" : No
>result was returned from some part of this expression. (-2763)."
I get the same error when trying to create a new list in the admin.
Updating list settings is OK, but I can't create a new one.
( :-]) James
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:08:54 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Trouble to create a new list
At 11:22 +0200 23/1/1998, Christophe Reverd wrote:
>I use Autoshare for a long time now. I regulary update both Autoshare and
>AutoShare Admin. I run a PPC v2.1b3 on a v7.5.5 system. It's okay exceipt
>regarding the French specific lowercase. What's new about this point Mikael
>?
I'm not entirely sure. If you put a Filed Mail folder message file, an
Incoming Mail folder message file and a fresh Analysis file inside a folder
and send me (meh at dnai dot com) a StuffIt archive of this folder, I'll try to
reproduce it. If the character stuff takes place in an archive and/or a
digest, include the(se) file(s) as well. Do you use EIMS or SIMS btw?
>"An error occured while executing the script of class PUSH "update" : No
>result was returned from some part of this expression. (-2763)."
The New List and Update buttons combo in the Admin's List window is broken,
because I threw in a few extra script lines and forgot to have them skipped
in case of a new list. I'll clean it up. The Admin's New List is however of
limited use until EIMS/SIMS account scriptability is available.
Instead, simply create an empty file in the List Server folder, using for
instance SimpleText. And if the server is running at the time, do a "run"
to add the list to the preferences, e.g. by Command-E in the Admin and
click on the "Run AutoShare" button".
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:26:04 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: The autoshare-dev list
Hi!
The autoshare-dev list is about the AutoShare admin developing scripts,
process extenders and that kind of stuff. About getting to know the
AppleScript dictionary of the server application better and going beyond
the standard built-in features of the server.
<mailto:autoshare at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk?body=subscribe%20autoshare-dev>
Here is an initial thought for the autoshare-dev list: which are the ways
to make the following script run faster? Responses on the autoshare-dev
only please :-)
---
tell application "AutoShare"
set beginTime to current date
repeat 10 times
GetRes resID 201 resIndex 1
end repeat
set endTime to current date
end tell
endTime - beginTime
---
Not as innocently looking as one might think...
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:53:32 +0100
From: cReverd at Xon-Xoff dot com (Christophe Reverd)
Subject: Re: Trouble on new list - end
Don't waste your time on my previous mail regarding some troubles to create a new list. I restarted the server one time more and it works ! I don't know how..
Regards.
Christophe Reverd.
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:11:40 +0100
From: cReverd at Xon-Xoff dot com (Christophe Reverd)
Subject: How to filter external access to annoucement list ?
Hi team,
Another question and may be the last one : I need to set up an announcement list. The list is now fully functionnal but what's the way to filter all the messages posted on this list through a "false" listmaster account for example ?
I tried to switch from an alias handler (="from" field) to an envelop one (="X Sender" field). I also typed an "A" in the "Mail Back" option in "preferences".
And the listmaster is the only subscriber allowed to post a mail : But I still can post a mail from another account and a "false" return address ! What's the trouble ? Should I use a password ? Many thanks in advance for your advice.
Sorry for my english it's quite late here in Paris...
Does-it make sense for you ?
Regards
Christophe Reverd.
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:31:48 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: How to filter external access to annoucement list ?
At 23:11 23/01/98, Christophe Reverd wrote:
>And the listmaster is the only subscriber allowed to post a mail : But I
>still can post a mail from another account and a "false" return address !
>What's the trouble ? Should I use a password ? Many thanks in advance for
>your advice.
Have you made sure in your list settings that new subscribers are set to
'nopost' ?
You can check the list file to see if subscribers other than the
listmaster(s) have option 4 enabled.
If you want ultimate list security you can disable the list account in EIMS
and use AutoShare's email admin feature to post to the list using a
password.
( :-]) James
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:46:47 +0100
From: cReverd at Xon-Xoff dot com (Christophe Reverd)
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 24 Jan 1998
>Have you made sure in your list settings that new subscribers are set to
>'nopost' ?
I did.
>You can check the list file to see if subscribers other than the
>listmaster(s) have option 4 enabled.
Hum.. I'm not sure to follow you. I checked the "list" file and I see ...30,...34,...4 at the end of the three subscribers line. The third isn't the lismaster (situated in the 2nd position in this example). It's not clear.
What do you call option 4 ? On what screen ? File ?
>If you want ultimate list security you can disable the list account in EIMS
>and use AutoShare's email admin feature to post to the list using a
>password.
Oh... I should have missed this part of the Autoshare documentation ;-)
Oups until I also forgot to save the mail in the "mail back" folder..
Does-it mean I've only to disable "List", "List.m" and "List.d" accounts from EIMS to set up the only the way to post from a local computer with an AppleScript ? Do you have any links to some examples ? On the dev-talk may be ?
Furthermore do you have any other way to do the same with a non-local user? In other way how to use Mail Back and Passwrod option for example ?
Does-it make sense for you ?
Have a good week end.
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:55:40 +0000
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 24 Jan 1998
At 10:46 24/01/98, Christophe Reverd wrote:
>>You can check the list file to see if subscribers other than the
>>listmaster(s) have option 4 enabled.
>
>Hum.. I'm not sure to follow you. I checked the "list" file and I see
>...30,...34,...4 at the end of the three subscribers line. The third isn't
>the lismaster (situated in the 2nd position in this example). It's not
>clear.
>
>What do you call option 4 ? On what screen ? File ?
THe character 4 in your examples. So in the second example, (username..34)
means that the ack and nopost options have been selected for that user.
>>If you want ultimate list security you can disable the list account in EIMS
>>and use AutoShare's email admin feature to post to the list using a
>>password.
>Does-it mean I've only to disable "List", "List.m" and "List.d" accounts
>from EIMS to set up the only the way to post from a local computer with an
>AppleScript ? Do you have any links to some examples ? On the dev-talk may
>be ?
If you want to try this suggestion, just disable the "list" account in
EIMS. You need the .m and .d accounts enabled, otherwise no list mail will
go out.
You don't need to use AppleScript to post a message. Using the list
password, you can post from any mail account.
>Furthermore do you have any other way to do the same with a non-local
>user? In other way how to use Mail Back and Passwrod option for example ?
To use the password feature, send your list contribution to AutoShare@ (not
the list address), with the following command in the first line.
<list password> post <listmaster@host> <list> <listmaster name>
So I'm now posting to the autoshare-talk list by sending my contribution to
autoshare at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk with a line like this at the beginning of
my message:
mypassword post james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk autoshare-talk James Berriman
>Does-it make sense for you ?
I'm making sense out of it. Whether that is the exact sense intended, I'm
not quite sure! <g>
>Have a good week end.
I hope these troubles won't prevent you from doing the same!
( :-]) James
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:28:28 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Trouble to create a new list
At 03:08 -0800 23/1/1998, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>Instead, simply create an empty file in the List Server folder, using for
>instance SimpleText. And if the server is running at the time, do a "run"
>to add the list to the preferences, e.g. by Command-E in the Admin and
>click on the "Run AutoShare" button".
A cleaner approach for the latter is used in the Admin though. Rather than
reloading the entire preference set including automatically creating
additional preference entries if necessary, the Admin simply applies a
SetList, which automatically creates a preference entry for the list in
question if not already there and then moves onto updating the entry.
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 02:57:01 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: How to filter external access to annoucement list ?
At 00:11 +0100 24/1/1998, Christophe Reverd wrote:
>I need to set up an announcement list. The list is now fully functionnal
>And the listmaster is the only subscriber allowed to post a mail : But I
>still can post a mail from another account and a "false" return address !
The standard behaviour of an announcement list is that only the listmaster
can post to it. Have you verified that the list is indeed configured as an
announcement list? And are you sure that you are posting from another
account? Following the processing of the message file, you can verify the
addresses in the Status window, as the From line lists both the RFC From
address and the SMTP envelope sender address.
The post command in remote administration by e-mail is not necessary,
unless you want to post from an address that is not that of the
listmaster's.
The post subscriber option has no bearing, unless you have specifically
configured the server to the special moderators feature in 2.1.
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:58:44 +0100
From: cReverd at Xon-Xoff dot com (Christophe Reverd)
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 25 Jan 1998
> To use the password feature, send your list contribution to AutoShare@ (not
the list address), with the following command in the first line.
> <list password> post <listmaster@host> <list> <listmaster name>
It's perfect and it works. I've just to set-up right now the mail back option.
Thanks a lot James. Finally it was a good week end. ;-)