Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:43:20 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 2.3 released
Hi all
Can someone provide me with a working url of a fresh mirror of Autoshare
please ? The resume works well in Anarchie, I've tested it several times
since this morning and maybe someone can avoid me the remaining 300k :)
Please don't tell me that this has been discussed before, I can't find any
url in the archives (the only mirror I've found is not up-to-date).
TIA
# Serge
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 11:49:27 -0700
Subject: Acknowledging contributions
From: "System Administrator" <sysop at arkay-intl dot com>
When a non-moderator posts to a moderated list, how do I ensure that the
contributor receives an acnknowlegement indicating that the contribution has
been forwarded to a moderator? (I'm using ver 2.1).
--------
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:59:05 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Problems getting first list to work
At 10:40 +0100 5/5/1998, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>When I quit AutoShare, I can see that the mail is put into the Filed Mail
>Folder correctly. When starting AutoShare, the file vanishes but nothing
>happens. AutoShare not even mentions processing it.
Have you checked your logs? They should tell you if a filter has deleted
the file.
You may also want to verify that the destination folder is the Incoming
Mail folder. Shutting down the mail server will help in determining whether
the file arrives in this folder.
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:01:35 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 2.3 released
At 17:43 +0200 5/5/1998, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>Please don't tell me that this has been discussed before, I can't find any
>url in the archives (the only mirror I've found is not up-to-date).
James generally puts up a mirror. I don't know if he has done it for 2.3 at
this time though.
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:04:24 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Acknowledging contributions
At 11:49 -0700 5/5/1998, System Administrator wrote:
>When a non-moderator posts to a moderated list, how do I ensure that the
>contributor receives an acnknowlegement indicating that the contribution has
>been forwarded to a moderator? (I'm using ver 2.1).
If the you are the moderator, then the forwarded contribution is the
acknowledgment. If not, the logs can tell you. Or you can set up a process
extender doing a separate acknowledgement.
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:25:26 -0800
From: Milo Sharp <milo at polarnet dot com>
Subject: New feature request
Through some unusual financial happenings, my office is sharing a
server with two other organizations, each of which is loosely affiliated
with the other two but must remain distinct (for political reasons) to the
outside world. Hence, our server has three separate names: mail.arcus.org
(ours), www.ankn.uaf.edu (ANKN's), and fncst-1.cla.uaf.edu (UAF's). This
isn't a problem for most of our purposes: WebStar allows for virtual hosts,
so any accesses for our website (www.arcus.org) will go to the right root
directory, and I can mask the true server name in EIMS -- unless the reader
turns on full headers. Those are both acceptable solutions for our
purposes.
The problem, though, is that all the messages that go through
Autoshare have the primary name put on them -- fncst-1.cla.uaf.edu. Not
only is this the hardest of the three to remember, it also clearly marks it
as a UAF server, which is inappropriate. (It resides on UAF's network, but
the computer itself belongs to ARCUS and ANKN, jointly.) ARCUS is a
national organization to which UAF belongs, but politically it would be
inappropriate for us to link ourselves to any one member institution
specifically.
Is it possible to specify the list server's name on a list-by-list
basis? We have two lists we'd like to serve at the moment: one for ARCUS
(which we would like to come from mail.arcus.org) and one for ANKN (which
we would like to have come from www.ankn.uaf.edu). If this isn't possible,
is it a feature which could be easily added?
Milo Sharp
Technical Assistant, ARCUS
Email: milo at polarnet dot com
Phone: 907/474-1602
Fax: 907/474-1604
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:31:04 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: New feature request
At 16:25 -0800 5/5/1998, Milo Sharp wrote:
>Hence, our server has three separate names: mail.arcus.org (ours),
>www.ankn.uaf.edu (ANKN's), and fncst-1.cla.uaf.edu (UAF's).
> The problem, though, is that all the messages that go through
>Autoshare have the primary name put on them -- fncst-1.cla.uaf.edu.
> Is it possible to specify the list server's name on a list-by-list
>basis? We have two lists we'd like to serve at the moment: one for ARCUS
>(which we would like to come from mail.arcus.org) and one for ANKN (which
>we would like to have come from www.ankn.uaf.edu). If this isn't possible,
>is it a feature which could be easily added?
There's a light-weight feature that was easily implemented way back, and
there's a heavy-weight feature that took lots of time to implement for 2.0.
The former is the hosts feature and uses both the primary domain and a
series of secondary domains. You can configure it in the Admin after
Command-H. If you have a primary name being fncst-1.cla.uaf.edu and a
secondary name being mail.arcus.org, the idea is that if a subscriber posts
a list contribution to arcus at mail.arcus dot org, then the processed list
contribution should show no sign of fncst-1.cla.uaf.edu.
The latter is the more substantial multiple preferences feature, which is
intended to work well with multiple mail server domains. You can configure
it in the Admin after Command-U. It is my recommendation that you read the
section on this in the documentation perhaps more than once just to make
sure. I believe that James has been using it ever since I started making
it. Plus of course he had to wait at least half a year before I even got
around it :-)
You may want to play around with either one to see if it does what you
would like it to do.
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:02:05 +0100
From: Jochen Haeberle <joh at MIDRAS dot de>
Subject: Re: Problems getting first list to work
Hi Mikael,
At 20:59 Uhr +0100 05.05.1998, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 10:40 +0100 5/5/1998, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>
>>When I quit AutoShare, I can see that the mail is put into the Filed Mail
>>Folder correctly. When starting AutoShare, the file vanishes but nothing
>>happens. AutoShare not even mentions processing it.
>
>Have you checked your logs? They should tell you if a filter has deleted
>the file.
There is no notice at all in the Log. I set the Logs to Tech, but still.
>You may also want to verify that the destination folder is the Incoming
>Mail folder. Shutting down the mail server will help in determining whether
>the file arrives in this folder.
I am not sure how to test this... but I would say this works as the
autoreply address works without any problems.
When I subscribe myself to the list using the admin program, I can post to
the list correctly. If I set my account to ack, I do get the mail as well.
It seems that all commands sent to the autoshare account do not work (sub,
index...)
The autoshare account is an exact copy of the working autoreply-account
(set to save as file to the Filed Mail Folder)
Could it be that my german OS causes problems?
Jochen
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:26:01 +0100
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 2.3 released
At 21:01 5/5/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 17:43 +0200 5/5/1998, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>
>>Please don't tell me that this has been discussed before, I can't find any
>>url in the archives (the only mirror I've found is not up-to-date).
>
>James generally puts up a mirror. I don't know if he has done it for 2.3 at
>this time though.
It's available by email at <mailto:autoshare-software at dcl.co dot uk>.
I also put the file up at:
<http://www.dcl.co.uk/MacOS/email/autoshare/AutoShare-2.3.sit.bin>
What I neglected to do was to update the web page to reflect the change!
Will do that this afternoon.
( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:46:56 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 2.3 released
>It's available by email at <mailto:autoshare-software at dcl.co dot uk>.
This is the first thing I did, got the confirm request, replied, and I'm
still waiting :)
>What I neglected to do was to update the web page to reflect the change!
>Will do that this afternoon.
Ok, thanks, I should have tested itŠ
# Serge
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 07:42:16 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Problems getting first list to work
At 10:02 +0100 6/5/1998, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>>>When I quit AutoShare, I can see that the mail is put into the Filed Mail
>>>Folder correctly. When starting AutoShare, the file vanishes but nothing
>>>happens. AutoShare not even mentions processing it.
>It seems that all commands sent to the autoshare account do not work (sub,
>index...)
>The autoshare account is an exact copy of the working autoreply-account
>(set to save as file to the Filed Mail Folder)
If you could send me <mailto:meh at dnai dot com> a StuffIt'ed archive containing
a fresh analysis file plus a message file from the Filed Mail folder, I'll
look into it.
>Could it be that my german OS causes problems?
I don't think so.
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 16:44:21 -0900
From: Milo Sharp <milo at polarnet dot com>
Subject: More help needed re: Autoshare and multiple domains
Okay, I'm still having trouble with Autoshare and our
multiple-domain mail server. Here's a little more information:
I've updated to Autoshare 2.3, but we're still using EIMS 1.2 --
why? Because it's free, and as a non-profit, we are trying to keep our
costs minimized. When EIMS opens up, it does a reverse lookup for the
computer's name and gets "fncst-1.cla.uaf.edu". I've got EIMS 1.2
configured with three server names: mail.arcus.org, fncst-1.cla.uaf.edu,
and www.ankn.uaf.edu. mail.arcus.org is the default.
Regardless of the default, any mail that comes in is shown as being
routed to <listname>@fncst-1.cla.uaf.edu; this is probably why autoshare
gets the domain wrong on it's responses. (EIMS' debug window shows a
"Moving message from milo at polarnet dot com to
arcticinfo at fncst-1.cla dot uaf dot edu" despite the fact that I addressed it to
arcticinfo at www.ankn.uaf dot edu.) My reluctant impression is that we'll
need to upgrade to EIMS 2.1; I'm not sure how my supervisor will react
to that, given that our domain registration fees may be higher than we
originally expected as well.
Does anyone know if there is any way to get EIMS 1.2 to work with
this setup? Or is Autoshare's multiple preferences feature capable of
solving this problem? Any help would be appreciated.
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:44:47 +0100
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: More help needed re: Autoshare and multiple domains
At 02:44 8/5/98, Milo Sharp wrote:
> Okay, I'm still having trouble with Autoshare and our
>multiple-domain mail server. Here's a little more information:
> Regardless of the default, any mail that comes in is shown as being
>routed to <listname>@fncst-1.cla.uaf.edu; this is probably why autoshare
>gets the domain wrong on it's responses. (EIMS' debug window shows a
>"Moving message from milo at polarnet dot com to
>arcticinfo at fncst-1.cla dot uaf dot edu" despite the fact that I addressed it to
>arcticinfo at www.ankn.uaf dot edu.)
This doesn't necessarily mean that EIMS is changing the actual envelope
address (which is stored in the resource fork of the message file), only
that this is the account to which the mail is being delivered. What shows
up in the AutoShare log as the destination address (in square brackets)?
> Does anyone know if there is any way to get EIMS 1.2 to work with
>this setup? Or is Autoshare's multiple preferences feature capable of
>solving this problem? Any help would be appreciated.
I had this working with EIMS 1.2. The only real problem was that I had to
write generic list server documents that didn't refer to a specific domain.
The multiple domain feature in AutoShare is definitely the best way to go
if you have the patience to set it up. It's basically a question of setting
up a new folder and preference set for each domain.
Think of it as multiple instances of AutoShare running side-by-side.
( :-]) James
Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 16:51:17 -0500
From: "Richard Petty" <rwvr90 at email.sps.mot dot com>
Subject: AutoShare Crashes
AutoShare is crashing on me when it tried to process command requests
(which, help, etc.). I did successfully send a message to a single small list
as a test, though.
After rebooting, this is what I see in the Log Report...
===== AutoShare Log Report, Fri, 8 May 1998 15:43:51 =====
Wed, 6 May 1998 00:00:17 New log starting up
Wed, 6 May 1998 00:00:43 Copying Log.Generic
Wed, 6 May 1998 00:03:56 Copying Digest.asm
Wed, 6 May 1998 00:04:01 Copying Digest.CRB
Wed, 6 May 1998 00:04:04 Copying Digest.VSP
Wed, 6 May 1998 09:20:22 Process time was 4.18 seconds
Wed, 6 May 1998 15:21:26 AutoShare starting up
AutoShare version is 2.2
Next log in 08:38:34
Next digest in 08:38:34
Fri, 8 May 1998 15:43:39 AutoShare starting up
AutoShare version is 2.2
Next log in -39:-43:-39
Next digest in -39:-43:-39
What do the negative numbers mean? Is this a clue to my problem?
--Richard
Motorola
Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 17:08:22 -0500
From: "Richard Petty" <rwvr90 at email.sps.mot dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare Crashes
.
Forgot to mention that I'd set the "Line Format" in the "More
Miscelaneous..." to 10000. I have since set it to 1000 but am afraid to test
it since my server's across town and it's a Friday evening.
--Richard
Richard Petty (rwvr90) wrote:
>
> AutoShare is crashing on me when it tried to process command requests
> (which, help, etc.). I did successfully send a message to a single small list
> as a test, though.
>
> After rebooting, this is what I see in the Log Report...
>
> ===== AutoShare Log Report, Fri, 8 May 1998 15:43:51 =====
>
> Wed, 6 May 1998 00:00:17 New log starting up
>
> Wed, 6 May 1998 00:00:43 Copying Log.Generic
> Wed, 6 May 1998 00:03:56 Copying Digest.asm
> Wed, 6 May 1998 00:04:01 Copying Digest.CRB
> Wed, 6 May 1998 00:04:04 Copying Digest.VSP
>
> Wed, 6 May 1998 09:20:22 Process time was 4.18 seconds
> Wed, 6 May 1998 15:21:26 AutoShare starting up
>
> AutoShare version is 2.2
> Next log in 08:38:34
> Next digest in 08:38:34
>
> Fri, 8 May 1998 15:43:39 AutoShare starting up
>
> AutoShare version is 2.2
> Next log in -39:-43:-39
> Next digest in -39:-43:-39
>
> What do the negative numbers mean? Is this a clue to my problem?
>
> --Richard
>
> Motorola
> Austin, Texas
>
> ** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
> ** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:51:12 -0700
From: meh at dnai dot com (Mikael Hansen)
Subject: Re: AutoShare Crashes
At 16:51 -0500 5/8/98, Richard Petty wrote:
>AutoShare is crashing on me when it tried to process command requests
>(which, help, etc.). I did successfully send a message to a single
>small list as a test, though.
Still that same 7200, right? :-) I suggest at this point that you back up
your drive, format it, do a clean system installation and slowly, but
surely rebuild your system while applying frequent runs of Disk First Aid
and/or Norton. You may even want to do an anti-virus check. For the fun of
it, I recently tried AutoShare on not one, but two 7200's without any
problems.
>Fri, 8 May 1998 15:43:39 AutoShare starting up
>
>AutoShare version is 2.2
>Next log in -39:-43:-39
>Next digest in -39:-43:-39
> What do the negative numbers mean? Is this a clue to my problem?
They just mean that your AutoShare hasn't been running for a while.
At 17:08 -0500 5/8/98, Richard Petty wrote:
> Forgot to mention that I'd set the "Line Format" in the "More
>Miscelaneous..." to 10000. I have since set it to 1000 but am afraid to
>test it since my server's across town and it's a Friday evening.
That shouldn't matter.
Subject: Maybe a dumb question
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 20:31:41 -0400
From: Eric Mings <elm at ao dot net>
I haven't had a chance to review the docs for the latest version so
forgive me if this is a dumb question. I wonder if there is a way to have
Autoshare compare the from: address to a daemon list prior to performing
the mailback task. Here is my concern. A while back, Mikael provided me
much help in setting up autoshare such that I can use it to confirm
membership requests that are entered into filemaker via a web form. The
simple overview is this:
1 Person fills out form on webpage
2 Filemaker sends a message using the email address entered in the form
to the autoshare mailback account.
3. Autoshare sends the confirmation request back to that address.
4. The person replies with the code and a processor enters their email
into a related database that I setup for confirmation.
This all works flawlessly!
My purpose for all this is to assure that no one can fraudulently enter
someone else into my membership database and subject them to mailings I
send that they wouldn't want. The only thing I cannot accomplish with
this setup is preventing someone from repeatedly entering someone elses
mail address in my database, and them subsequently receiving the
(unwanted) mailback confirmation. Once someone contacts me to let me know
that there has been an fraudulent attempt to subscribe them by someone
else, I would like to prevent them from receiving the mailback
confirmation in the future -if the rascal tried it again. I have already
taken other measures to deal with trouble makers by automatically logging
the IP number and time of submission with each membership record created
so I can track and complain to their ISP if necessary. Although this may
sound like overkill to some, I beleive it is necessary to protect the
integrity of my business and avoid "blacklisting" of my domain for my
legitimate bulk emails. Any ideas _greatly_ appreciated. Thanks.
Regards,
Eric Mings Ph.D.
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:30:20 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Maybe a dumb question
At 20:31 -0400 8/5/1998, Eric Mings wrote:
>This all works flawlessly!
Nice to hear!
>The only thing I cannot accomplish with this setup is preventing someone
>from repeatedly entering someone elses mail address in my database, and
>them subsequently receiving the (unwanted) mailback confirmation.
As you are already running a process extender with FileMaker, it may not
take all that much to get there. Imagine that you set up a separate
FileMaker database for storing needed data for initial mail-backs. If a
record for a given address and list is not present, then create a new
record. If the record is present, then the mail-back is unwanted and
therefore should be suppressed.
Rather than creating a new type of process extender, a flag is all that
would be needed to trigger a process extender of an existing type such as
After Processing. If the standard flag (item 10) was used for this type
(which it isn't), then a value of 1 can indicate that the outgoing message
file is a mail-back and so trigger the After Processing process extender to
check the mail-back FileMaker database and if needed delete the outgoing
message file before it is otherwise handed over to the mail server.
Would this work for you?
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 10 May 1998
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:51:44 -0400
From: Eric Mings <elm at ao dot net>
>As you are already running a process extender with FileMaker, it may not
>take all that much to get there. Imagine that you set up a separate
>FileMaker database for storing needed data for initial mail-backs. If a
>record for a given address and list is not present, then create a new
>record. If the record is present, then the mail-back is unwanted and
>therefore should be suppressed.
>
>Rather than creating a new type of process extender, a flag is all that
>would be needed to trigger a process extender of an existing type such as
>After Processing. If the standard flag (item 10) was used for this type
>(which it isn't), then a value of 1 can indicate that the outgoing message
>file is a mail-back and so trigger the After Processing process extender to
>check the mail-back FileMaker database and if needed delete the outgoing
>message file before it is otherwise handed over to the mail server.
>
>Would this work for you?
Probably would, .. if I understood in detail what you were trying to tell
me :-I
If you don't wish to bore the others with such detail, feel free to
write me directly. Could just be that it's late and I am particularly
dense today.
Regards,
Eric Mings Ph.D.
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 00:20:22 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 10 May 1998
At 21:51 -0400 9/5/1998, Eric Mings wrote:
>Probably would, .. if I understood in detail what you were trying to
>tell me :-I
>
>If you don't wish to bore the others with such detail, feel free to
>write me directly.
Let's do it step by step on the development list. You can subscribe by
sending a mail to this address
<mailto:autoshare-dev-on at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: More help needed re: Autoshare and multiple domains
Date: Sun, 10 May 98 10:34:21 +0000
From: Franck Horlaville <fhlist at online.co dot ma>
>My reluctant impression is that we'll
>need to upgrade to EIMS 2.1; I'm not sure how my supervisor will react
>to that, given that our domain registration fees may be higher than we
>originally expected as well.
Have you tried SIMS ? It's free, fast and powerful ...
<http://www.stalker.com>
Works fine here !
Franck Horlaville,
Technical Director - Athena Online s.a.
Web site creation and hosting
--
<http://www.athena.online.co.ma>
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:40:29 -0800
From: Milo Sharp <milo at polarnet dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 11 May 1998
>Subject: Re: More help needed re: Autoshare and multiple domains
>Date: Sun, 10 May 98 10:34:21 +0000
>From: Franck Horlaville <fhlist at online.co dot ma>
>
>>My reluctant impression is that we'll
>>need to upgrade to EIMS 2.1; I'm not sure how my supervisor will react
>>to that, given that our domain registration fees may be higher than we
>>originally expected as well.
>
>Have you tried SIMS ? It's free, fast and powerful ...
><http://www.stalker.com>
Well, I was one of the original beta testers of EIMS back when it
was MailShare, and I was trying to stick with something I know. I'll take
a look at SIMS, though -- and for right now, things are working acceptably.
(Finally having the domain name registration go through fixed all sorts of
problems, and not just with Autoshare...)
Milo Sharp
Technical Assistant, ARCUS
Email: milo at polarnet dot com
Phone: 907/474-1602
Fax: 907/474-1604
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:21:21 -0700
From: Mathew Hill <happytwo at milepost1 dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 12 May 1998
Hi is there an easy way to subscribe 300 users in one shot thru the admin
address.
Thanks
Matt
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:15:10 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 12 May 1998
At 19:21 -0700 11/5/1998, Mathew Hill wrote:
>Hi is there an easy way to subscribe 300 users in one shot thru the
>admin address.
The easiest way is probably to format the 300 users in lines of "address
(name)". Then shut down AutoShare, paste the block of 300 lines into the
list file in question, and AutoShare will resort the list file at start-up.
Depending on how the users are stored, you may also be able to write a
small script using AutoShare's Subscribe command.
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:55:12 -0700
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: RE: AutoShare 2.3 released
At 3:44 PM -0500 on 4/30/98, Chuck Boody wrote:
> Go have a beer or whatever Mikael. You are a bit amazing. I can barely
>keep up with updating the software given the rate you produce it. You
>need some sun and sea breeze for a while. Thanks for all the hard work
>and wonderful improvements.
>
> Chuck Boody
> ISD 270
> =============
Amen!
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Date: 14 May 98 09:01:47 -0400
Subject: eims beta 1.2.1b2
From: "Michael C Miller" <mcmiller at www.rosemont dot edu>
I discovered that EIMS beta 1.21b2 has a problem with quitting. If you
select shutdown from the special menu EIMS does not respond to the all
quit. It must be manually shutdown from the EIMS menu. This is a problem
for me since I depend upon restarts if other software fails on my server,
and this prevents the restart.
I am using:
EIMS 1.21b2 (switched to 1.2 for above reason)
WebSTAR 1.2
AutoShare 2.3
OS 8.1
PowerMac 7250/120
Michael Miller
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:07:32 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: eims beta 1.2.1b2
At 09:01 -0400 14/5/1998, Michael C Miller wrote:
>I discovered that EIMS beta 1.21b2 has a problem with quitting. If you
>select shutdown from the special menu EIMS does not respond to the all
>quit. It must be manually shutdown from the EIMS menu. This is a problem
>for me since I depend upon restarts if other software fails on my server,
>and this prevents the restart.
>I am using:
>EIMS 1.21b2 (switched to 1.2 for above reason)
>WebSTAR 1.2
>AutoShare 2.3
>OS 8.1
>PowerMac 7250/120
Verified. It looks like the quit event has been messed up.
Thanks for the information. I have Cc'ed Glenn.
Date: 14 May 98 13:26:39 -0400
Subject: Re: eims beta 1.2.1b2
From: "Michael C Miller" <mcmiller at www.rosemont dot edu>
On Thu, May 14, 1998 10:07 AM, Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com> wrote:
Verified. It looks like the quit event has been messed up.
Thanks for the information. I have Cc'ed Glenn.
Thanks, I've notified qualcom but another note is always good.
Michael Miller
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:00:15 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: eims beta 1.2.1b2
At 07:07 -0700 14/5/1998, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>Verified. It looks like the quit event has been messed up.
>
>Thanks for the information. I have Cc'ed Glenn.
EIMS 1.2.1b3 has now been uploaded to the Eudora web server.
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:43:12 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 2.4b0
Version 2.4b0 has been uploaded to
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
and includes various improvements and bug fixes. It also introduces some
new process extender types and samples.
Having summer vacations ahead of us, I figured it would be nice for users
themselves to be able to turn on and off vacation services and furthermore
update the wording of vacation notices - without the assistance of the
administrator.
The Vacation application is a simple process extender of type Before
Processing and requires no modification to be used. The idea is that a user
sends a mail to an auto-response account entitled vacation@ and specifies
one of three words in the subject:
1. On enables the user's vacation service by adding the One Vacation
Notices delimiter line (if not already there) and removes the "From: @"
line (if already there)
2. Off disables the user's vacation service by removing the One Vacation
Notices delimiter line and all following entries (if already there) and
adds the "From: @" line (if not already there), the latter to assure a
complete kill filter for file copies of user messages put in the Filed Mail
folder (if a user account is not vacation notice prepared, simply change
the EIMS account to Save As Files, specify the Filed Mail folder and click
on the Keep Copies button; SIMS admins would be doing it in a different way)
3. Doc updates the wording of the user's vacation notice by replacing the
contents of the user's auto-response Default document with the body of the
message (creates a document file if not already there)
You can change the vacation(@), On, Off and Doc words by simply editing the
beginning of the process extender script.
Mail-backs are recommended for the vacation@ account!
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:07:12 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 2.4b0
>Version 2.4b0 has been uploaded to
Mikael, when do you work on that? Do you do also anything else? :-)))
Anyway, it is good commercial - AutoShare is now listed on VersionTracker
almost every week...
HOnza
P.S. I am now again starting work on AutoShare Remote Admin. Since Mikael
is so fast, I'll skip the version 2.2 of AutoShare.
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:51:05 -0800
From: Milo Sharp <milo at arcus dot org>
Subject: Keeping track of subscribership
We maintain a separate Filemaker Pro database of contact
information for our mailing list subscribers (and other important people).
In the past, this has been maintained by having all subscription requests
go to me personally, who entered them into the database and then sent in an
admin command to the listserver to subscribe or unsubscribe them.
Personally, I'd rather have it more automated to save me time and
effort. What I'm hoping to do is let Autoshare do the subscriptions and
unsubscriptions and then just browse the Autoshare report each day for new
subscribees/unsubscribees. That will work, but it would be easier still if
there's any way to have Autoshare forward them on to me automatically after
it processes them. Can it?
Also, if Autoshare is set to look for commands in the subject line,
will it ignore the body, or scan it for commands also?
Milo Sharp
Technical Assistant, ARCUS
Email: milo at polarnet dot com
Phone: 907/474-1602
Fax: 907/474-1604
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:03:23 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 2.4b0
At 13:07 +0200 18/5/1998, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>Mikael, when do you work on that? Do you do also anything else? :-)))
Sure :-) The stuff in 2.4b0 didn't take much time really.
>P.S. I am now again starting work on AutoShare Remote Admin.
Good! Got a feel for when it'll be ready?
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:28:00 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Keeping track of subscribership
At 08:51 -0800 18/5/1998, Milo Sharp wrote:
> We maintain a separate Filemaker Pro database of contact
>information for our mailing list subscribers (and other important people).
>What I'm hoping to do is let Autoshare do the subscriptions and
>unsubscriptions and then just browse the Autoshare report each day for
>new subscribees/unsubscribees.
You may want to look into the FileMaker Pro Subscribe process extender
located in the Sample Process Extenders folder. It is very simple and
illustrates how AutoShare will add a new record to a FMP database every
time a subscription takes place.
>That will work, but it would be easier still if there's any way to have
>Autoshare forward them on to me automatically after it processes them.
Can it?
See the Send Message Subscribe process extender located in the Sample
Process Extenders folder.
In both cases, simply drag the file icon onto the Script Editor icon to
view the brief AppleScript source code. Minor modifications are needed to
suit your needs, but not much at all.
> Also, if Autoshare is set to look for commands in the subject line,
>will it ignore the body, or scan it for commands also?
You can configure it to do either, I think. See the section on "List server
requests on lists" in the documentation.
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:14:29 -0800
From: Milo Sharp <milo at arcus dot org>
Subject: Re: Keeping track of subscribership
>Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:28:00 -0700
>From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
>Subject: Re: Keeping track of subscribership
>
>You may want to look into the FileMaker Pro Subscribe process extender
>located in the Sample Process Extenders folder. It is very simple and
>illustrates how AutoShare will add a new record to a FMP database every
>time a subscription takes place.
Unfortunately, our Filemaker Pro server isn't on the same network
the Autoshare server is, so this easy solution won't work.
>>That will work, but it would be easier still if there's any way to have
>>Autoshare forward them on to me automatically after it processes them.
>Can it?
>
>See the Send Message Subscribe process extender located in the Sample
>Process Extenders folder.
>
>In both cases, simply drag the file icon onto the Script Editor icon to
>view the brief AppleScript source code. Minor modifications are needed to
>suit your needs, but not much at all.
I'll check that out. Mikael, not only are you a speedy programmer,
you offer great tech support, too. Thanks! I wish all software authors
were as easy to stay in contact with. (Though, to be fair, many of the
authors I have contacted are very friendly and willing to help.)
Milo Sharp
Technical Assistant, ARCUS
Email: milo at polarnet dot com
Phone: 907/474-1602
Fax: 907/474-1604
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:43:14 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Keeping track of subscribership
At 16:14 -0800 18/5/1998, Milo Sharp wrote:
> Unfortunately, our Filemaker Pro server isn't on the same network
>the Autoshare server is, so this easy solution won't work.
If they are on the same AppleTalk network, you can modify the scripts so
that the process extenders will communicate with the FMP server on the
other Mac. It boils down to turning Program Linking on and then adjusting
your script to accomodate remote scripting, which is what, say, the Admin
does.
Here is a regular local script:
tell application "FileMaker Pro"
end tell
Here is a script, which also works remotely:
tell application "FileMaker Pro"
tell application "FileMaker Pro"
end tell
end tell
It looks silly, but AppleScript requires this double-nested syntax. The
outer reference to FMP deals with the remote running application, while the
inner reference to FMP reads the dictionary of the local not running
application (or just a resource file having the same name and including the
AppleScript dictionary).
I haven't tried this with process extenders, but it should work.
> I'll check that out. Mikael, not only are you a speedy programmer,
>you offer great tech support, too. Thanks! I wish all software authors
>were as easy to stay in contact with. (Though, to be fair, many of the
>authors I have contacted are very friendly and willing to help.)
Thanks!
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:02:02 -0400
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 19 May 1998
>subscribees/unsubscribees. That will work, but it would be easier still if
>there's any way to have Autoshare forward them on to me automatically after
>it processes them. Can it?
One solution to this would be to tell the mail server to deliver the
messages to you and to autoshare. Of course, this means you'll receive any
other messages sent to autoshare, as well (like set digest, etc.). If you
receive many of those, the scripts Mikael mentioned are probably your
better bet.
-Jonathan {;-)
Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.
There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
things happen and those who wonder what happened.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:15:12 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 2.4b0
>>P.S. I am now again starting work on AutoShare Remote Admin.
>
>Good! Got a feel for when it'll be ready?
I rather do not say any concrete date. But I am going to work on it this
weekend, which is a good chance to finish it.
HOnza
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:36:37 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: ftp.appleklub.cz changed
If you are looking for AutoShare Remote Admin, please note that
ftp.appleklub.cz changed its structure. It is now looking almost like the
info-mac archive.
HOnza
Subject:
Date: Tue, 19 May 98 16:46:11 -0800
From: Donna Parrish <donna at multilingual dot com>
Subject:
Sent: 5/19/98 4:43 PM
To: Autoshare Talk, AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
Hello - we have been using Autoshare with success - it's a fun product.
Thanks!
BUT...
After upgrading from 2.2 to 2.3b6, we have begun experiencing a problem
with subscription requests and other commands. First of all, let me tell
you that we are using "listserv@domain" rather than "autoshare@domain".
This was not a problem in 2.2. And once we had downloaded 2.3b6, we set
the STR #1984,1 to 1 to continue that functionality.
Now, when requests come in, we can see the mail in the incoming folder;
it then gets shifted to filed mail, and then lo and behold it winds up in
the folder that the 2.3b6 application resides in! This is an address
which is no where in our folder set up.
Subject: listserv@
Date: Tue, 19 May 98 16:52:12 -0800
From: Donna Parrish <donna at multilingual dot com>
I apologize - this message was sent before I completed it.... here it is
in its somplete form.
Hello - we have been using Autoshare with success - it's a fun product.
Thanks!
BUT...
After upgrading from 2.2 to 2.3b6, we have begun experiencing a problem
with subscription requests and other commands. First of all, let me tell
you that we are using "listserv@domain" rather than "autoshare@domain" as
the list server address. This was not a problem in 2.2. And once we had
downloaded 2.3b6, we set the STR #1984,1 to 1 to continue that
functionality.
Now, when requests come in, we can see the mail in the incoming folder;
it then gets shifted to the filed mail folder, and then lo and behold it
winds up in the folder that the 2.3b6 application resides in! This is an
address which is not in any of our folder setup parameters.
Can you shed any light on this phenomenon? Is the "listserv" feature no
longer available?
Thank for your attention-
Donna Parrish
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:21:28 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: listserv@
At 16:52 -0800 19/5/1998, Donna Parrish wrote:
>Hello - we have been using Autoshare with success - it's a fun product.
>Thanks!
Happy to hear that!
>This was not a problem in 2.2. And once we had downloaded 2.3b6, we set
>the STR #1984,1 to 1 to continue that functionality.
You shouldn't have to do that. That 1984,1 is in the preferences file.
>Now, when requests come in, we can see the mail in the incoming folder;
>it then gets shifted to the filed mail folder, and then lo and behold it
>winds up in the folder that the 2.3b6 application resides in! This is an
>address which is not in any of our folder setup parameters.
This looks corruption of the file system or the preferences file. I suggest
that your run Norton and/or Disk First Aid and then set up a temporary
preferences file from scratch to see if it makes a difference.
>Can you shed any light on this phenomenon? Is the "listserv" feature no
>longer available?
It has always been undocumented, and I haven't touched it for years. I am
not about to either, as the term listserv supposedly is trademarked by a
company!
I haven't gotten any reports that is actually broken. Some have thought
that it was, but then it turned out that they had done some forwarding
between the two addresses, and this twist is so undocumented and never
intended to work that it is not even mentioned in the documentation that it
is undocumented :-)
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:31:42 -0400
From: Paul Bielawski <pbielawski at cdp.mde.state.mi dot us>
Subject: Re: listserv@
I had the same problem. I solved it by recreating the preferences file.
The listserv option works fine for me - has worked well since 1.?
>Now, when requests come in, we can see the mail in the incoming folder;
>it then gets shifted to the filed mail folder, and then lo and behold it
>winds up in the folder that the 2.3b6 application resides in! This is an
>address which is not in any of our folder setup parameters.
This looks corruption of the file system or the preferences file. I suggest
that your run Norton and/or Disk First Aid and then set up a temporary
preferences file from scratch to see if it makes a difference.
___________________________________________________________________
Paul Bielawski Supervisor
Michigan Department of Education Curriculum Development Program
(517) 335-5784 phone (517) 335-2473 FAX
pbielawski at cdp.mde.state.mi dot us
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 21 May 1998
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 14:57:31 -0800
From: Donna Parrish <donna at multilingual dot com>
Yes, the new preferences file did the trick. Thanks!
Donna
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:13:24 -0400
From: "Brian W. Ogilvie" <ogilvie at history.umass dot edu>
Subject: Re: listserv@ (Problem with AutoShare)
Greetings! Re Donna Parrish's query on Tuesday:
>Now, when requests come in, we can see the mail in the incoming folder;
>it then gets shifted to the filed mail folder, and then lo and behold it
>winds up in the folder that the 2.3b6 application resides in! This is an
>address which is not in any of our folder setup parameters.
>
>Can you shed any light on this phenomenon? Is the "listserv" feature no
>longer available?
I just downloaded AutoShare 2.3 yesterday and spent a frustrating three or
four hours dealing with the exact same problem. I spent some time browsing
the list archives to see whether the problem had been addressed before,
which is where I ran across Ms. Parrish's query. I deleted the preferences
file and recreated it--no success. I deleted every AutoShare file and
reinstalled the packate--no success. Then I ran AutoShare Admin and set the
folders in the "More Folders" dialog (Mail Back, Hold Mail, and Bounce) to
the folders with those names in my Auto folder. Bingo, the problem was
solved! Now everything works like a charm. The problem has nothing to do
with the listserv option. Since those folders aren't specified by the
dialog in the AutoShare app itself, it took me a while to realize that they
had to be set properly.
My kudos to Mikael Hansen for his excellent work with this program! I'm
going to use it next fall to set up discussion lists for my history courses
here at the University of Massachusetts--much easier than dealing with
majordomo lists on one of the campus unix boxes, if only because I'd have
to bug a system administrator to set up every new course (or discussion
section).
--Brian
~~~~~
Brian W. Ogilvie <ogilvie at history.umass dot edu>
Department of History, University of Massachusetts Amherst
Tel. (413) 545-1599; Fax (413) 545-6137
<http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~ogilvie/>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:51:44 -0700
From: meh at dnai dot com (Mikael Hansen)
Subject: Re: listserv@ (Problem with AutoShare)
Brian W. Ogilvie wrote:
>Then I ran AutoShare Admin and set the folders in the "More Folders"
dialog (Mail Back, Hold Mail, and Bounce) to the folders with those
>names in my Auto folder. Bingo, the problem was solved! Now everything
>works like a charm. The problem has nothing to do with the listserv
>option. Since those folders aren't specified by the dialog in the
>AutoShare app itself, it took me a while to realize that they had to
>be set properly.
I have a vague recollection of something like this. What specifically did
you say doesn't work if those three folders haven't been configured?
>My kudos to Mikael Hansen for his excellent work with this program!
>I'm going to use it next fall to set up discussion lists for my history
>courses here at the University of Massachusetts
Thanks! Happy to hear that.
From: "Meichun Jiang" <meichun_jiang at vela dot ca>
Subject: Remove
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:17:00 -0700
Please remove me from the subscriber list. Thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: AutoShare-Talk list <AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
To: Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk <AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 1:10 PM
Subject: AutoShare-Talk digest 22 May 1998
===== digest AutoShare-Talk, Fri, 22 May 1998 21:01:07 =====
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 21 May 1998
Donna Parrish <donna at multilingual dot com>
Thu, 21 May 98 14:57:31 -0800
2. Re: listserv@ (Problem with AutoShare)
"Brian W. Ogilvie" <ogilvie at history.umass dot edu>
Fri, 22 May 1998 13:13:24 -0400
3. Re: listserv@ (Problem with AutoShare)
meh at dnai dot com (Mikael Hansen)
Fri, 22 May 1998 11:51:44 -0700
============================================================
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 21 May 1998
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 14:57:31 -0800
From: Donna Parrish <donna at multilingual dot com>
Yes, the new preferences file did the trick. Thanks!
Donna
============================================================
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:13:24 -0400
From: "Brian W. Ogilvie" <ogilvie at history.umass dot edu>
Subject: Re: listserv@ (Problem with AutoShare)
Greetings! Re Donna Parrish's query on Tuesday:
>Now, when requests come in, we can see the mail in the incoming folder;
>it then gets shifted to the filed mail folder, and then lo and behold it
>winds up in the folder that the 2.3b6 application resides in! This is an
>address which is not in any of our folder setup parameters.
>
>Can you shed any light on this phenomenon? Is the "listserv" feature no
>longer available?
I just downloaded AutoShare 2.3 yesterday and spent a frustrating three or
four hours dealing with the exact same problem. I spent some time browsing
the list archives to see whether the problem had been addressed before,
which is where I ran across Ms. Parrish's query. I deleted the preferences
file and recreated it--no success. I deleted every AutoShare file and
reinstalled the packate--no success. Then I ran AutoShare Admin and set the
folders in the "More Folders" dialog (Mail Back, Hold Mail, and Bounce) to
the folders with those names in my Auto folder. Bingo, the problem was
solved! Now everything works like a charm. The problem has nothing to do
with the listserv option. Since those folders aren't specified by the
dialog in the AutoShare app itself, it took me a while to realize that they
had to be set properly.
My kudos to Mikael Hansen for his excellent work with this program! I'm
going to use it next fall to set up discussion lists for my history courses
here at the University of Massachusetts--much easier than dealing with
majordomo lists on one of the campus unix boxes, if only because I'd have
to bug a system administrator to set up every new course (or discussion
section).
--Brian
~~~~~
Brian W. Ogilvie <ogilvie at history.umass dot edu>
Department of History, University of Massachusetts Amherst
Tel. (413) 545-1599; Fax (413) 545-6137
<http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~ogilvie/>
============================================================
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:51:44 -0700
From: meh at dnai dot com (Mikael Hansen)
Subject: Re: listserv@ (Problem with AutoShare)
Brian W. Ogilvie wrote:
>Then I ran AutoShare Admin and set the folders in the "More Folders"
dialog (Mail Back, Hold Mail, and Bounce) to the folders with those
>names in my Auto folder. Bingo, the problem was solved! Now everything
>works like a charm. The problem has nothing to do with the listserv
>option. Since those folders aren't specified by the dialog in the
>AutoShare app itself, it took me a while to realize that they had to
>be set properly.
I have a vague recollection of something like this. What specifically did
you say doesn't work if those three folders haven't been configured?
>My kudos to Mikael Hansen for his excellent work with this program!
>I'm going to use it next fall to set up discussion lists for my history
>courses here at the University of Massachusetts
Thanks! Happy to hear that.
============================================================
** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
Subject: New subscriber message
Date: Fri, 22 May 98 17:26:54 -0800
From: Donna Parrish <donna at multilingual dot com>
I don't know which impresses me more - the Autoshare product itself, or
this talk group! Thanks!
I have set up a special message which is sent to new subscribers of one
of my lists. ("sub.newslistname"). I would also like to send this message
to people who I subscribe to the list via Applescript. I have done this
by manually creating an Applescript which sends an email to each person.
This is rather time consuming when I am subscribing large numbers of
people - Applescript appears to choke on long dialogues. Has anyone else
tried to do something like this?
Donna Parrish
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 20:36:45 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: New subscriber message
At 17:26 -0800 22/5/1998, Donna Parrish wrote:
>I don't know which impresses me more - the Autoshare product itself, or
>this talk group! Thanks!
Very nice of you to say so. Thank you.
>I have set up a special message which is sent to new subscribers of one
>of my lists. ("sub.newslistname"). I would also like to send this message
>to people who I subscribe to the list via Applescript. I have done this
>by manually creating an Applescript which sends an email to each person.
>This is rather time consuming when I am subscribing large numbers of
>people - Applescript appears to choke on long dialogues. Has anyone else
>tried to do something like this?
While I can't offer you any better at the time, I am thinking of letting
the administrator do something like drag a file of addresses onto the
server application icon, thereby getting the Filed Mail folder filled with
properly formatted message files, so that standard subscriptions and return
messages take place. It won't be this weekend, but what do you think?
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 23 May 1998
Date: Sat, 23 May 98 20:44:59 -0000
From: Franck Horlaville <fhlist at online.co dot ma>
>While I can't offer you any better at the time, I am thinking of letting
>the administrator do something like drag a file of addresses onto the
>server application icon, thereby getting the Filed Mail folder filled with
>properly formatted message files, so that standard subscriptions and return
>messages take place. It won't be this weekend, but what do you think?
I wonder if I wouldn't prefer it being in a separate app ... I like the
concept of "one program does one thing" for utilities ...