Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:34:25 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Easy way to toggle lists On/Off?
At 17:07 +0100 12/7/99, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>The most important reaseon, at least for me, is the fact that a
>server si something completely different from a client machine.
>
>This fact is even more stressed by the fact, that my servers are
>colocated miles away from my location. So it's just not a fact of
>not wanting to use the Finder, all work to be done should take place
>on a secure, safe and fast remote way.
That's a lot to ask from freeware software :-)
>Configuring AutoShare over the Internet using Timbuktu really is no
>fun. I am not sure what's the culprit, but the combination has often
>crashed me Mac during configuration work.
That's certainly not my experience. I use Timbuktu from time to time
thru my 28K modem to an AutoShare/EIMS server, and it feels alright,
unless of course the mail server is really pumping lots of mails at
the time. It is often about how applications relinguish processing
cycles.
At 21:59 +0100 12/7/99, HOnza Koudelka wrote:
>It's a similar issue as editing lists via Admin versus editin the
>list files directly. I will always prefer using Admin, because
>*that* is the cleaner way.
>
>Another example. Imagine you create a standalone application. What
>is the prefered way for editing its preferences? Providing a dialog
>box in the application, or editing the preferences file with some
>text or resource editor?
How about scripting? ;-)
At 08:19 -0600 12/7/99, Chuck Boody wrote:
>What Mikael says is definitely true. But if what he means to imply
>is that a checkbox to turn lists off should not be added I have to
>respectfully disagree. I do think it would be a good (though minor)
>addition to a fine product.
Yes, I was in a silly mood the other evening. Must be the eggnog :-)
>It could even be handled by Applescript through the Administrator.
>Just create an "offline" folder (or some such) and when the checkbox
>is checked move the appropriate file to the offline folder. Then
>when it is unchecked move it back to the proper folder. Seems to me
>that approach would minimize the impact on AutoShare itself.....
Good thought. It is pretty easy actually in the Admin to let a
checkbox trigger some AppleScript to move a file from one folder to
another.
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:37:52 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Partial digest when digning on
At 17:25 +0100 12/9/99, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>how can I suppress the sending of a partial digest when someone
>signs up to my Announcement list???
In the Admin, the List Stuff field, the letter E (see balloon help).
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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:30:35 +0100
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: html-archive
Howdy,
is there any way to change the layout of the html-archive files? I would=
like to create my own layout for the dynamic archive files (not only for=
the entry point). For example I would like to split the table of context=
and the individual messages into different files - a single page is very la=
rge.
Thanks for any ideas!
Detlef
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:56:56 +0100
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: <address token> and multiple domains
Howdy,
if I use protected adresses with multiple domains - the <address token> always contains the default domain and not the domain of the individual list.
For example the list is running at "@giftfrosch.de" and the <address token> gets "12345678@crash dot de"...?!
Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Detlef
P.S.: In the docs it is not mentioned that we have to create a mail account "protected@<domain>" with "save as file" in EIMS.
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:10:34 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Moving Lists to new preferences set - how??
At 16:48 +0100 12/7/99, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>I would like to move some of my active lists to new preference set I
>have to create. Is there any problem concerned with this??
The only thing that I can think of would be copying the respective
list settings to the preferences file of the other preference set. If
you are comfortable with ResEdit, then find the lists to be moved in
STR# 1001 and upwards. Be sure to leave no gaps in this series of
numbers.
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:13:23 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Error -2700?
At 23:59 -0500 12/9/99, Ricardo Davis wrote:
>I'm getting the following error message in the AutoShare Admin app
>when clicking on the List button in the Lists window:
>
>"An error occurred while executing the list of <<class LIST>>
>"lists": Most likely too many subscribers. Please adjust the From
>and Count values. (-2700)"
>
>Now the $64 question: Where do I adjust the values?
There are two fields for that at the lower left of the window.
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:22:00 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: html-archive
At 16:30 +0100 12/11/99, Detlef Beyer wrote:
>is there any way to change the layout of the html-archive files? I
>would like to create my own layout for the dynamic archive files
>(not only for the entry point). For example I would like to split
>the table of context and the individual messages into different
>files - a single page is very large.
It would be difficult to change the format of the html (and text)
files in the archives folder. I could however possibly expand the get
command to optionally return the toc only and then subsequently given
message(s).
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:20:48 +0100
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Re: html-archive
>It would be difficult to change the format of the html (and text) files in the archives folder. I could however possibly expand the get command to optionally return the toc only and then subsequently given message(s).
Hmmm - I had a simple solution in mind - every new entry into the html page has several fixed fields and why not build a template with:
#field1#
tokens that will be replaced by the values of each entry?! That would be very nice to have.
If this is too much work - splitting the toc from the content would be better then nothing ;))
Thanks,
Det
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:24:09 +0100
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: ASCII > 128 in AutoResponder files
Hello,
I'm having problem setting up the autoresponder file-encoding to a type that will allow Winoze and Mac user to retrieve the files with correct High-ASCII chars.
The only way I found to server files for Win users is to convert the files to the Windows-Char format - but now the Mac user can't see the special chars?!
Any idea?
Best,
Detlef
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:08:53 +0100
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Re: html-archive
Hello,
I'm just wondering - when will the index.html file be created? In my archive=
there are the current.xxx, digest.xxx and the Archive-1998-08-12.text docs=
- but only when I create a new list in AS I find the index.html file. I=
changed the folder for the archive files and AS created a new folder for=
the list - without the index.html file???
Detlef
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:01:07 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: <address token> and multiple domains
At 16:56 +0100 12/11/99, Detlef Beyer wrote:
>if I use protected adresses with multiple domains - the <address
>token> always contains the default domain and not the domain of the
>individual list.
>For example the list is running at "@giftfrosch.de" and the <address
>token> gets "12345678@crash dot de"...?!
>
>Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
I'm not sure. The address token stands by itself and does not come in
the e-mail address form of user@domain. The address token merely
represents the subscriber's e-mail address, whose domain may be the
same or different from the server domain. Feel free to send me
(meh at dnai.com) a message file which includes "12345678 at crash dot de", and
I'll look into it.
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:26:52 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: html-archive
At 09:20 +0100 12/12/99, Detlef Beyer wrote:
>Hmmm - I had a simple solution in mind - every new entry into the
>html page has several fixed fields and why not build a template with:
>
>#field1#
>
>tokens that will be replaced by the values of each entry?! That
>would be very nice to have.
I have been thinking along these lines for the automated web archives
which people can view directly using their browser off a web server.
It somehow makes less sense (and is also less possible) for the
standard html archives.
>I'm just wondering - when will the index.html file be created? In my
>archive there are the current.xxx, digest.xxx and the
>Archive-1998-08-12.text docs - but only when I create a new list in
>AS I find the index.html file. I changed the folder for the archive
>files and AS created a new folder for the list - without the
>index.html file???
Both the standard archives and the automated web archives are updated
when a list contribution takes place.
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:58:31 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: ASCII > 128 in AutoResponder files
At 11:24 +0100 12/12/99, Detlef Beyer wrote:
>I'm having problem setting up the autoresponder file-encoding to a
>type that will allow Winoze and Mac user to retrieve the files with
>correct High-ASCII chars.
>
>The only way I found to server files for Win users is to convert the
>files to the Windows-Char format - but now the Mac user can't see
>the special chars?!
Offering plain text files as attachments generally won't work in a
cross-platform environment, inasmuch as the receiving client is
presented with no guidelines for interpreting the upper ascii
characters properly.
One way to solve this dilemma is to, say, HTMLize the files,
presenting the upper ascii characters in a cross-platform independent
format.
Another way is to include the text files as part of the message body
and let the e-mail software set the guidelines.
Or you can save the text files in Word or something.
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:51:34 +0100
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Date/Time stamp of mails
Howdy,
is it possible to set the time stamp of a mail to the server time/date? This would help a lot since some users set their system clock to wrong dates and the mail will be sorted wrong.
Just an idea.
Det
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:05:34 +0100
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Re: ASCII > 128 in AutoResponder files
Howdy Michael,
>Offering plain text files as attachments generally won't work in a cross-platform environment, inasmuch as the receiving client is presented with no guidelines for interpreting the upper ascii characters properly.
>
>One way to solve this dilemma is to, say, HTMLize the files, presenting the upper ascii characters in a cross-platform independent format.
>
>Another way is to include the text files as part of the message body and let the e-mail software set the guidelines.
>
>Or you can save the text files in Word or something.
I had something like the MIME encoding option you get with Java in my mind - I would need an option to specify the target MIME format and AS converts any text to this target format - for example MacCentralEurope to ISO8859_1 or CP1252????
I still have problems setting up AS to support high ascii correctly. "QP Always" seems to offer the best support for the text in the body of the mails and the external files like the footer in the documents folder. When I use "Text Plain" I get encoding e
rrors because of high ascii in the footer file. With "MIME QP" users on Windoze using Outlook don't see high ascii chars.
Det
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:07:44 +0100
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Re: html-archive
>Both the standard archives and the automated web archives are updated when a list contribution takes place.
the Current.html, Current.text, Current.toc, Current.txt, Digest.text and Digest.txt get updated - but there is no index.html file? When will the index.html file be created?
Det
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:09:59 +0100
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Re: <address token> and multiple domains
>I'm not sure. The address token stands by itself and does not come in the e-mail address form of user@domain. The address token merely represents the subscriber's e-mail address, whose domain may be the same or differ
to send me (meh at dnai.com) a message file which includes "12345678 at crash dot de", and I'll look into it.
ahhh - I tested with my d.beyer at crash.de address. So that's why I got "12345678 at crash dot de". dot .
I had some problems explaning users how to use a protected address. Wouldn't it be nice to have a mailto: link instead of the plain "12345678@crash dot de"?
Det
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:18:17 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Moving Lists to new preferences set - how??
At 12:10 -0800 12/11/99, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 16:48 +0100 12/7/99, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>
>>I would like to move some of my active lists to new preference set
>>I have to create. Is there any problem concerned with this??
>
>The only thing that I can think of would be copying the respective
>list settings to the preferences file of the other preference set.
Here's a script which does it easily. It is required that both sets
and lists are active at the time you run the script.
property fromSet : "default"
property toSet : "@domain1"
property fromList : "announce-l"
property toList : "announce2-l"
tell application "AutoShare"
set saveSet to GetPreference
my DoStuff()
SetPreference preferenceString saveSet
end tell
on DoStuff()
tell application "AutoShare"
-- check for valid preference sets
set mySets to GetPreferences
if fromSet is not in mySets then
return
end if
if toSet is not in mySets then
return
end if
-- get settings for first list
SetPreference preferenceString fromSet
set myLists to GetLists
if fromList is not in myLists then
return
end if
set myOptions to GetList Options {List:fromList}
-- copy settings to second list
set List of myOptions to toList
SetPreference preferenceString toSet
set myLists to GetLists
if toList is not in myLists then
return
end if
SetList Options myOptions
end tell
end DoStuff
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:59:54 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Help: combining functionalities...
I'm jumping in kind of late on this one, but...
Claude wrote:
>
>Basically, there are three files, all updated weekly or so. What we'd
>like is to set up a mechanism by which folks could come and get the
>latest version (auto-responder) of any of the three docs... or subscribe
>themselves to a list that mails out the new docs as they're updated
>(listserver).
Curious... is that "or" refer to user choice, or two methods of possible
implementation? In other words, do you want to provide the user both
options, or do you want to provide one option, and are entertaining two
methods to implement it?
>Now, if there were a way to control the name of archived
>files (that I could find ;) ), we could just run it as an announcement
>list, with new versions of the docs overwriting old in the archives
>folder. I'm not sure this is possible, though.
As you mentioned, the archives are cumulative, so you wouldn't get exactly
what you want.
>The other option (which means two addresses) is to set up an announce
>list, and an auto-responder. Is this really my best option?
It depends. Who are the posts/announcements being triggered? If those are
triggered manually, then instead of posting to the list, why not FTP them
instead? I have a FAQ folder in my Autoshare Docs folder which I use for
similar purposes. I'm assuming your listserver is also capable of being an
FTP server (if it isn't already), so how about creating an alias on the
computer where these updates are coming from which point to your FAQs
folder. Then all you have to do is drop your updates into that folder.
Am I understanding what you want to do correctly ?
Bill
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:18:25 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Badly-Formed Addresses
I've seen a few bounces where the subscriber's address was badly
formed. Here is an example:
> The following message could not be delivered to tony at dice dot net) because =
the
> host dice.net) does not exist.
I looked in the AS file for the list, and he was in there as:
tony at xyz dot net) (haoning (Tony)"..3)
I corrected it to
tony at xyz dot net (haoning..3)
in the list file and the .m file.
I checked in the logs, and I did see the sub as:
à Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:22:59 autoshare at lists.pensive dot org
tony at xyz dot net) qpopper sub
I've asked the guy to send me a message, so I can see if his headers
are messed up (unclosed quotes or parens in the From field or
something).
AutoShare probably should run addresses (after extracting them from
the 822 field) through an 821 syntax checker before trying to use
them. Might be best to reject the subscribe (or other list command)
with a polite note that the mail is badly formed. That way the user
is more likely to fix it.
--
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:20:04 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Soft vs Hard?
What's the difference between a soft and hard bounce? (I know that
sounds like a joke some drunk guy tells you at a party).
--
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you out. --Anton Chekov
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:38:35 +0000
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Soft vs Hard?
At 9:20 pm -0800 14/12/99, Randall Gellens wrote:
>What's the difference between a soft and hard bounce? (I know that
>sounds like a joke some drunk guy tells you at a party).
A hard bounce is a permanent failure condition - typically a 550
error from the recipient's mail server. A 550 error is normally
returned if the recipient address does not exist. Unfortunately, I've
also seen quite a few 550 errors recently from servers with
misconfigured relay restrictions.
( :-]) James
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:56:35 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Soft vs Hard?
At 19:38 +0000 12/16/99, James Berriman wrote:
>Unfortunately, I've also seen quite a few 550 errors recently from
>servers with misconfigured relay restrictions.
Which is why it is at times better to treat hard bounces as soft
bounces. See the Admin, Cmd-L, Yet More List, Hard Unsubscribe.
Btw, d4 has been uploaded.
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:35:18 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: Soft vs Hard?
At 7:38 PM +0000 12/16/99, James Berriman wrote:
> At 9:20 pm -0800 14/12/99, Randall Gellens wrote:
>>What's the difference between a soft and hard bounce? (I know that
>>sounds like a joke some drunk guy tells you at a party).
>
> A hard bounce is a permanent failure condition - typically a 550
> error from the recipient's mail server. A 550 error is normally
> returned if the recipient address does not exist. Unfortunately, I've
> also seen quite a few 550 errors recently from servers with
> misconfigured relay restrictions.
>
> ( :-]) James
Any 5xx code is a supposed to be a permanent error (except for 522
"too many receipient", which is an error in RFC 821 -- it should be
422).
Does autoshare treat any 5xx code as a hard bounce, or only some of them?
It would seem to make sense to treat a relay error (often reported
with 550) as a soft bounce, since these almost always tend to be from
sites with misconfigured sendmails, and the problem often clears up
in a few days. I've just set Hard Unsubscribe to No (per Mikael's
suggestion), but it does make sense to unsubscribe errors such as "no
such user".
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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:09:45 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Badly-Formed Addresses
At 21:18 -0800 12/14/99, Randall Gellens wrote:
>I've asked the guy to send me a message, so I can see if his headers
>are messed up (unclosed quotes or parens in the From field or
>something).
Thanks.
>AutoShare probably should run addresses (after extracting them from
>the 822 field) through an 821 syntax checker before trying to use
>them. Might be best to reject the subscribe (or other list command)
>with a polite note that the mail is badly formed. That way the user
>is more likely to fix it.
It would indeed be helpful. I may however not have saved the
scattered e-mails over the years listing the criteria for what
accurately and completely defines the syntax for a valid e-mail
address, so if you have this, please drop me an e-mail.
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:11:48 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Soft vs Hard?
At 13:35 -0800 12/18/99, Randall Gellens wrote:
>Any 5xx code is a supposed to be a permanent error (except for 522
>"too many receipient", which is an error in RFC 821 -- it should be
>422).
I don't necessarily agree, in practice anyway. E.g.
554: service unavailable
If you get the error from an OIT machine "554: service unavailable",
then that generally means the user is over his or her disk quota, and
will not be allowed to receive email until he or she removes some
files.
>Does autoshare treat any 5xx code as a hard bounce, or only some of them?
Just 550.
>It would seem to make sense to treat a relay error (often reported
>with 550) as a soft bounce, since these almost always tend to be
>from sites with misconfigured sendmails, and the problem often
>clears up in a few days. I've just set Hard Unsubscribe to No (per
>Mikael's suggestion), but it does make sense to unsubscribe errors
>such as "no such user".
It's a muddy and little standardized bouncing world out there. Even
if you master the theory, there are likely misconfigured mail servers
which at times may return the wrong code. Treating all bounces as
soft often makes sense.
In any event, I'm heading for Xmas :-)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:22:50 +0100
From: Jochen Haeberle <listen at MIDRAS dot de>
Subject: Re: Moving Lists to new preferences set - how??
Hi Mikael,
thanks for diving into this subject!!! You're always a great help!!!
Is there a problem if fromList and toList have the same value?
Jochen
At 21:18 Uhr -0800 14.12.1999, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 12:10 -0800 12/11/99, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>
>>At 16:48 +0100 12/7/99, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>>
>>>I would like to move some of my active lists to new preference set
>>>I have to create. Is there any problem concerned with this??
>>
>>The only thing that I can think of would be copying the respective
>>list settings to the preferences file of the other preference set.
>
>Here's a script which does it easily. It is required that both sets
>and lists are active at the time you run the script.
>
>property fromSet : "default"
>property toSet : "@domain1"
>property fromList : "announce-l"
>property toList : "announce2-l"
>
>tell application "AutoShare"
> set saveSet to GetPreference
> my DoStuff()
> SetPreference preferenceString saveSet
>end tell
>
>on DoStuff()
> tell application "AutoShare"
> -- check for valid preference sets
> set mySets to GetPreferences
> if fromSet is not in mySets then
> return
> end if
> if toSet is not in mySets then
> return
> end if
>
> -- get settings for first list
> SetPreference preferenceString fromSet
> set myLists to GetLists
> if fromList is not in myLists then
> return
> end if
> set myOptions to GetList Options {List:fromList}
>
> -- copy settings to second list
> set List of myOptions to toList
> SetPreference preferenceString toSet
> set myLists to GetLists
> if toList is not in myLists then
> return
> end if
> SetList Options myOptions
> end tell
>end DoStuff
>
>
>
>** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
>** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:38:38 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Moving Lists to new preferences set - how??
At 11:22 +0100 12/20/99, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
>Hi Mikael,
>
>thanks for diving into this subject!!! You're always a great help!!!
Thanks :-)
>Is there a problem if fromList and toList have the same value?
No, it's okay for lists in different preference sets to have the same name.
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:00:43 +0100
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Re: html-archive
Howdy,
>>I'm just wondering - when will the index.html file be created? In my archive there are the current.xxx, digest.xxx and the Archive-1998-08-12.text docs - but only when I create a new list in AS I find the index.html file. I changed the folder for
chive files and AS created a new folder for the list - without the index.html file???
>
>Both the standard archives and the automated web archives are updated when a list contribution takes place.
I'm still waiting for AS to create an index.html file and something like Archive-1998-08-12.html... I would expect that every day a new archive file will be created and the index.html file get's updated - but here nothing happens. The current.xxx files wo
rk fine - but how do I start a rollback of my archive?
Det
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:01:15 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Test Bounce Wording
I've been getting a lot of replies to the test bounces. Here's one
with a useful suggestion:
> To: list-errors at lists.pensive dot org (List Administrator)
> From: Michael L Vezie <mlv at pobox dot com>
> Subject: Re: To mlv
>
> At 09:20 AM 12/19/1999 -0800, List Administrator wrote:
> >Please ignore this message from the qpopper list! Thank you.
> >
> >A test message to verify that your e-mail account is fine.
>
> What might be nice -- is a notice saying, "You got this
> because email to you on <date> bounced."
Also, it would be helpful to add a reply-to header of the list
administrator, or at least say in the text that replies should be
sent to <...>. Otherwise replies go to the bounce address, and AS
kicks them to the admin because of course they aren't proper bounces.
--
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:31:02 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Test Bounce Wording
At 10:01 -0800 12/21/99, Randall Gellens wrote:
>> What might be nice -- is a notice saying, "You got this
>> because email to you on <date> bounced."
>
>Also, it would be helpful to add a reply-to header of the list
>administrator, or at least say in the text that replies should be
>sent to <...>. Otherwise replies go to the bounce address, and AS
>kicks them to the admin because of course they aren't proper bounces.
You are free to enhance the test bounce message file by using a
process extender of type Test Bounce, which executes immediately
after this message file is written to the AutoShare Temp folder. The
AutoShare archive includes a brief sample of this process extender
type.
I have noted your suggestions as some that may some day be built in.
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:39:17 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: html-archive
At 08:00 +0100 12/21/99, Detlef Beyer wrote:
>I'm still waiting for AS to create an index.html file and something
>like Archive-1998-08-12.html...
If you expect an index.html file to be created in the standard
archive folder, you can wait forever. See the recent list
contributions on this topic about the automated web archives being in
a separate location specified by a separate path. That's all there's
to it.
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:06:42 +0100
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Re: html-archive
>At 08:00 +0100 12/21/99, Detlef Beyer wrote:
>
>>I'm still waiting for AS to create an index.html file and something like Archive-1998-08-12.html...
>
>If you expect an index.html file to be created in the standard archive folder, you can wait forever. See the recent list contributions on this topic about the automated web archives being in a separate location specified by a separate path. That's all
ere's to it.
I'm getting crazy about this problem - I'm looking everywere for the index file to be created. I entered a special path for this archive and that's were the following files are created:
Current.html, Current.text, Current.toc, Current.txt, Digest.text and Digest.txt
Other lists produced an additional index.html file and frequently the archive is stored into a file like "Archive-1999-12-08.html"...
Why has this single list no index.html (nowhere on the server)? And when will the first "Archive-1999-??-??.html" be created?
Best,
Detlef
Subject: Re: html-archive
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:38:24 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
I'm not sure, but I think you need to go to the More Miscellaneous window
under the Preferences window, and in the Misc Stuff field add a "v" to
"build missing archives at startup" (read the balloon help). Then restart
AutoShare. Of course, this assumes that you selected the list, clicked on
the list button, and entered or selected a valid Web Path.
On 12/23/99 2:06 AM, Detlef Beyer said:
>>At 08:00 +0100 12/21/99, Detlef Beyer wrote:
>>
>>>I'm still waiting for AS to create an index.html file and something like=
>Archive-1998-08-12.html...
>>
>>If you expect an index.html file to be created in the standard archive
folder,
>you can wait forever. See the recent list contributions on this topic
>about the automated web archives being in a separate location specified by=
>a separate path. That's all th
>ere's to it.
>
>I'm getting crazy about this problem - I'm looking everywere for the index=
>file to be created. I entered a special path for this archive and that's
>were the following files are created:
>
>Current.html, Current.text, Current.toc, Current.txt, Digest.text and
>Digest.txt
>
>Other lists produced an additional index.html file and frequently the
>archive is stored into a file like "Archive-1999-12-08.html"...
>
>Why has this single list no index.html (nowhere on the server)? And when
>will the first "Archive-1999-??-??.html" be created?
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Subject: Web Archive names?
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:44:18 -0500
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
I don't have a particular problem with web archives, but a question. I
have web archives named like
"Archive-1-May-1000.html"
and also like
"Archive-1999-05-01.html"
Obviously, the second leads to a chronological listing, but the former
does not. I think I tried renaming them all to the second format, but
AutoShare rebuilt them with the other naming convention. Since my newer
archives have the second naming convention, it really is not a problem.
But I just wondered if I could fix it.
Charles L. Martin
clmartin at theOmbudsman dot com
http://www.theOmbudsman.com/Martin_Law/
Alice: ³The King seems so prejudiced.²
King: ³Thank you Alice. That¹s what makes me so eminently qualified to =
be
Judge.²
Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 18:18:29 +0100
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at crash dot de>
Subject: Re: html-archive
Howdy ;)
>I'm not sure, but I think you need to go to the More Miscellaneous window
>under the Preferences window, and in the Misc Stuff field add a "v" to
>"build missing archives at startup" (read the balloon help). Then restart
>AutoShare.
I added the "v" without any change. The index file and the "Archive-1999-12-08.html" are still missing.
>Of course, this assumes that you selected the list, clicked on
>the list button, and entered or selected a valid Web Path.
Yes - the path must be correct since the other archive files are there and get updated.
;(((
Detlef
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 11:50:55 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: html-archive
You may also need to specify a time period or message count to
trigger creation of a new set of HTML archive files. Once this is
done, the Current files should be renamed to the date, and a new
Current file created.
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 11:52:52 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: Test Bounce Wording
At 12:31 PM -0800 12/21/99, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> You are free to enhance the test bounce message file by using a
> process extender of type Test Bounce, which executes immediately
> after this message file is written to the AutoShare Temp folder.
> The AutoShare archive includes a brief sample of this process
> extender type.
Is there a way to determine when the address bounced?
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:40:02 +1300
From: Philip Lamb <phil at rave.co dot nz>
Subject: Remote subscription.. how to make same as normal subscribe?
Hi there,
I run a small list for a club I'm in, and invariably one or two people end
up muffing up their subscription. I usually just remote subscribe these
people, but then I have to manually send them the welcome file etc.
Is there an easy way to get the remote subscribe to behave like a normal
(user generated) subscribe, so that the subscriber gets the welcome
message, partial digest etc? I guess it could be done via a process
extender,
TIA
Phil.
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Philip Lamb
phil at rave.co dot nz
prl24 at student.canterbury.ac dot nz
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:27:18 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Remote subscription.. how to make same as normal subscribe?
At 17:40 +1300 12/27/99, Philip Lamb wrote:
>Is there an easy way to get the remote subscribe to behave like a normal
>(user generated) subscribe, so that the subscriber gets the welcome
>message, partial digest etc? I guess it could be done via a process
>extender,
There is a simple sample process extender of type Remote in a folder
entitled Send Message. This script returns such a welcome message to
the subscriber being administratively subscribed.
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:25:27 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Web Archive names?
At 09:44 -0500 12/23/99, Charles L. Martin wrote:
>I don't have a particular problem with web archives, but a question. I
>have web archives named like
>
>"Archive-1-May-1000.html"
>
>and also like
>
>"Archive-1999-05-01.html"
>
>Obviously, the second leads to a chronological listing, but the former
>does not. I think I tried renaming them all to the second format, but
>AutoShare rebuilt them with the other naming convention. Since my newer
>archives have the second naming convention, it really is not a problem.
>But I just wondered if I could fix it.
In the Admin, Cmd-J, Misc Stuff, add the letter A.
(The same place that you mentioned in another thread.)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:23:23 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: html-archive
At 08:06 +0100 12/23/99, Detlef Beyer wrote:
> >If you expect an index.html file to be created in the standard
>archive folder, you can wait forever. See the recent list
>contributions on this topic about the automated web archives being
>in a separate location specified by a separate path. That's all
>there's to it.
>
>I'm getting crazy about this problem - I'm looking everywere for the
>index file to be created. I entered a special path for this archive
>and that's were the following files are created:
>
>Current.html, Current.text, Current.toc, Current.txt, Digest.text
>and Digest.txt
>
>Other lists produced an additional index.html file and frequently
>the archive is stored into a file like "Archive-1999-12-08.html"...
It would indeed appear that you are not keeping the standard text and
html archives separate from the automated web archives. It may even
be that you have specified a path for the standard archives, thinking
that the path is for the web archives too. It isn't. The web archives
need a separate path.
Send me (meh at dnai dot com) a fresh AutoShare Analysis file, and I can
extract the specifics and then post my findings. That should be of
some help to you.
At 09:38 -0500 12/23/99, Charles L. Martin wrote:
>I'm not sure, but I think you need to go to the More Miscellaneous window
>under the Preferences window, and in the Misc Stuff field add a "v" to
>"build missing archives at startup" (read the balloon help).
It says "missing web archives" and so does not refer to standard archives.
At 11:50 -0800 12/25/99, Randall Gellens wrote:
>You may also need to specify a time period or message count to
>trigger creation of a new set of HTML archive files. Once this is
>done, the Current files should be renamed to the date, and a new
>Current file created.
No, the web archives are updated at the time the standard archives are.
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:44:14 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Test Bounce Wording
At 11:52 -0800 12/25/99, Randall Gellens wrote:
>Is there a way to determine when the address bounced?
The one source of this would be the RFC Date field of the bounce
message. (I'm a little confused though. Didn't you first bring up the
situation where the address on the other hand did no longer bounce
and where instead the user would respond manually, with this
situation calling for a reply-to in the prior test message?)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:57:29 -0800
From: Randall Gellens <randy at pensive dot org>
Subject: Re: Test Bounce Wording
At 12:44 PM -0800 12/27/99, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> At 11:52 -0800 12/25/99, Randall Gellens wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to determine when the address bounced?
>
> The one source of this would be the RFC Date field of the bounce
> message. (I'm a little confused though. Didn't you first bring up
> the situation where the address on the other hand did no longer
> bounce and where instead the user would respond manually, with this
> situation calling for a reply-to in the prior test message?)
There were two things. A user who was getting the test messages
mentioned that it would be nice if the text said something like "You
are getting this message because your mail bounced on <date>".
I added that it would be helpful if the wording also indicated where
to send replies, and/or had a reply-to header. You responded that I
could enhance the text by using a process extender, and that you were
considering adding something to a later release.
My follow-up question was if it was possible, in the process
extender, to determine the bounce date, so that I could address both
issues. I didn't really expect there to be a way (short of reading
through the log file), but I'm often surprised by what AS can do.
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looking up something and finding something else on the way.
--Franklin P. Adams (1881-1960)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:58:31 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: 4.1.1b1 uploaded
<fixed>b1:
-Various Admin under-the-hood stuff
-Added Application Name and Version to Statistics properties
-Various changes to Admin Stat window, incl startup windows
-Fixed a bounce module bug, sometimes not recognizing list
-Added Reply-To field to listmaster for test bounce messages
</fixed> <<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/Beta/>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:55:32 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: html-archive
At 12:23 -0800 12/27/99, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>Send me (meh at dnai dot com) a fresh AutoShare Analysis file, and I can
>extract the specifics and then post my findings. That should be of
>some help to you.
Detlef, thanks for analysis file. It turns out that your web path
field specifies a client browser URL (e.g.
<http://host/webarchives/index.html>), not a server folder path (e.g.
disk:folder:webarchives:). Once changed, it's likely to work.
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:09:17 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Test Bounce Wording
At 09:57 -0800 12/28/99, Randall Gellens wrote:
>A user who was getting the test messages mentioned that it would be
>nice if the text said something like "You are getting this message
>because your mail bounced on <date>".
Makes sense :-) Thanks.
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:00:00 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 4.1.1 released
Version 4.1.1 has been uploaded to
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/download/AutoShare/>
4.1.1 offers automated bounce and Admin application enhancements plus
minor improvements and bug fixes.
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/>
Besh wishes to you all "on the other side".
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 19:20:39 -0600
From: Michael Croft <michael at whiterose dot org>
Subject: Did we ever resolve the two-confirmation message problem?
I am seeing this problem on my server, which is the same as Charles L.
Martin reported on 11/13/99
I set up a list and set it to confirm Subscriptions only ('S') flag set.
Anyone attempting to subscribe gets a confirmation request message. So far
so good. They reply to the message and trim out the reply string so that
the body starts with F.XXXXX. Also correct. They receive from Autoshare a
second confirmation request message which, if they reply to it, will
finally subscribe them.
I am using 4.1.1 (I first discovered this on 4.0 and updated to see if this
was fixed). My server is running SIMS 1.8b6. I used to run this list off
of majordomo and we had big problems with people subscribing other people
from our web page and I can't put it back up without the security of a
working mailback, but it needs to be easy enough to use that people will do
so.
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