Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:39:38 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 17 Aug 1998
At 20:36 +0100 8/17/98, Sterling Ledet wrote:
>>New mail API? I know of a new filter API only.
>
>That's what I meant. Does Autoshare 2.4 work with EIMS 2.2b3?
Yes. (The filter API for EIMS has no bearing on this.)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:46:30 +0200
From: Detlef Beyer <d.beyer at hermes dot de>
Subject: CRON
Hi,
I still have problems with the CRON function. I changed the name of the files inside the Launch folder from 3,0... to 3 0.... as I was told. But nothing happens with this configuration too...?!
Det
<SIG>Hold breath as long as your homepage need to be loaded.</SIG>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:09:06 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: CRON
At 08:46 +0200 8/18/98, Detlef Beyer wrote:
>I still have problems with the CRON function. I changed the name of the
>files inside the Launch folder from 3,0... to 3 0.... as I was told. But
>nothing happens with this configuration too...?!
Is 3 0 * * * (every 3 minutes past midnight) a valid Finder alias pointing
to an application? You may want to run Disk First Aid also.
Try also 3 * * * * (or something closer than 3) for immediate testing. If
your current time is 10:15, try 17 * * * *, then wait two minutes.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:34:14 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Extra subscriber fields?
Hi all
The current subscriber format in list files include the e-mail address, the
user name and the subscriber options. How many of you would like to see
more fields for subscribers? Would the date of subscription be useful? The
most recent date of various list server command activity? If you have any
ideas, please post them to the list at this time. Thanks.
From: "Suarez, William" <WSuarez at wal.osicom dot com>
Subject: RE: Extra subscriber fields?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:49:19 -0400
Mikael,
Hope all is well with you. AutoShare continues to run like a champ here.
Thanks for all your continued hard work.
Here are some ideas...........
A flag/counter for soft bounces on an account
created/modified (settings) date
last contribution date and to what list
Regards,
Bill Suarez
-----Original Message-----
From: Mikael Hansen [mailto:meh at dnai dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 3:34 PM
To: AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
Subject: Extra subscriber fields?
Hi all
The current subscriber format in list files include the e-mail address, the
user name and the subscriber options. How many of you would like to see
more fields for subscribers? Would the date of subscription be useful? The
most recent date of various list server command activity? If you have any
ideas, please post them to the list at this time. Thanks.
** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:45:14 -0800
From: milo at arcus dot org (Milo Sharp)
Subject: Problem with moderated list
I experienced a strange problem with Autoshare 2.4b3 today. I had
summarized a letter for our announcement list, and I had forwarded it to
the original author to make sure my edits were appropriate. I sent it from
the list's address with the appropriate signature attached, so it would
look identical to the final version. Our list is set up as a moderated
list, with only messages from my address or the list address being
distributed to the public. No one else has post access.
The original author responded to my message, and the reply went back to the
list's email account. This should not have been a problem, as the from:
address was not one of the two with posting privileges. (The author is a
subscriber to the list, but I've double-checked to make sure he does not
have posting turned on.)
Unfortunately, his message was posted to the entire mailing list. I was
able to stop it in mid-post by quitting EIMS and deleting the SMTP Outgoing
file, but I don't know how many of our subscribers it reached. I know I
received it, but my coworkers, who have the same domain name, did not
receive it. Still, it can't be denied that it was processed by Autoshare;
here are snippets from the log and the header of the message:
---
Log:
---
ˆ Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:51:14 mailinglist.m at arcus dot org Peter_Richter at nps dot gov
Re: Second Annual "Beringia Days" announcement (draft)
ˆ Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:51:24 mailinglist.m at arcus dot org bounce at arcus dot org Re:
Second Annual "Beringia Days" announcement (draft)
---
Header:
---
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:40:35 -0400
Reply-To: mailinglist at arcus dot org (Subscribers of mailinglist)
Precedence: bulk
List-Subscribe: <mailto: mailinglist-on at arcus dot org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto: mailinglist-off at arcus dot org>
List-Post: <mailto: mailinglist at arcus dot org>
List-Owner: milo at arcus dot org (Milo Sharp)
List-Software: AutoShare 2.4b3 by Mikael Hansen
=46rom: Peter_Richter at nps dot gov (Peter Richter)
To: mailinglist at arcus dot org (Subscribers of mailinglist)
Subject: Re: Second Annual "Beringia Days" announcement (draft)
-----
Is this some obscure bug? It seriously compromises the integrity of
Autoshare, if so. Unfortunately, Autoshare deleted the original message,
so there's no way for me to include that for diagnostic purposes. For what
it's worth, I've replaced the actual name of our mailinglist with a generic
"mailinglist" to prevent harvesting of the addresses, but I'd be willing to
discuss it further with you, Mikael.
Milo Sharp
Information and Communications Specialist, ARCUS
Email: milo at arcus dot org
Phone: 907/474-1602
=46ax: 907/474-1604
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:22:11 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Problem with moderated list
At 12:45 -0800 8/19/98, Milo Sharp wrote:
>I sent it from the list's address [...]
This is not a good idea, and nowhere does the documentation say that!
[...] >with the appropriate signature attached, so it would look
>identical to the final version. Our list is set up as a moderated list
The posted messsage on a moderated list does not have the list as sender.
>(The author is a subscriber to the list, but I've double-checked to make
>sure he does not have posting turned on.) [...]
>The original author responded to my message, and the reply went back to the
>list's email account. [...]
>Unfortunately, his message was posted to the entire mailing list.
I can see from the above how the recipient address came to become the list,
but I don't understand why it wasn't forwarded to you instead of being
posted.
>List-Software: AutoShare 2.4b3 by Mikael Hansen
Betas are betas :-) Assume it is risky business.
>Unfortunately, Autoshare deleted the original message, so there's no way
>for me to include that for diagnostic purposes.
You can ask the person to send another (harmless) message ("please
ignore...") to the list while having AutoShare "processing disabled" (see
the Extra menu), then make a copy of the message file in the Filed Mail
folder, shut down the mail server, turn on processing, make a copy of the
message file once processed, then start up the mail server. I'd be happy to
look into the files (in a StuffIt archive please). It's fair to say though
that I haven't received any other report resembling this behaviour.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:22:08 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: RE: Extra subscriber fields?
At 15:49 -0400 8/19/98, Suarez, William wrote:
>Hope all is well with you. AutoShare continues to run like a champ here.
>Thanks for all your continued hard work.
Thanks!
>Here are some ideas...........
>
>A flag/counter for soft bounces on an account
>created/modified (settings) date
>last contribution date and to what list
These are good ideas. Suggestions from others?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:49:14 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Problem with moderated list
At 12:45 -0800 8/19/98, Milo Sharp wrote:
>Our list is set up as a moderated list, with only messages from my address
>or the list address being distributed to the public. No one else has post
>access.
>
>The original author responded to my message, and the reply went back to the
>list's email account. This should not have been a problem, as the from:
>address was not one of the two with posting privileges. (The author is a
>subscriber to the list, but I've double-checked to make sure he does not
>have posting turned on.)
>
>Unfortunately, his message was posted to the entire mailing list.
Milo, I have done some more testing with the special moderators feature for
moderated and announcement lists. The feature was introduced in version
2.1, uses the post subscriber option and calls for configuration of the
list set to moderated or announcement as well as adding the letter c to the
Misc Stuff field. I'm afraid that I cannot reproduce your situation. When a
non-moderator sends a list contribution to the list, it is forwarded to the
list moderators only.
I'm still concerned about you saying that the list addresss has post
access. This is certainly not recommended and can only be achieved by
adding the list address as a subscriber. Addresses such as the list address
and the bounce address should be used by AutoShare itself only and not via
a mail client.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:45:26 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: RE: Extra subscriber fields?
>>Here are some ideas...........
>>
>>A flag/counter for soft bounces on an account
Very good with combination of "only one error message per user". I mean
error message mailed to Listmaster only if the last soft bounce for that
user was at least xxx days before. Listmaster then would not be "spammed"
by error messages.
>>created/modified (settings) date
>>last contribution date and to what list
>
>These are good ideas. Suggestions from others?
What about the X-Mailer header from the last contribution?
No, that's too crazy, isn't it? :-)))
More usefull:
count/bytes of posted contributions (or per time period)
average percentage of uncommented text in contributions
average length of contribution
count of contributions with attachments
Really crazy:
count of different subjects per user
question/answer ratio (answer's subject begins with "Re:")
Don't really need any of them, but all would be cool...
HOnza
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:04:54 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Extra subscriber fields?
>How many of you would like to see more fields for subscribers?
As long as we're into suggestions here:
o Lots of mailservers use the "Reply-to" header instead of the "Errors-to"
header for bounces; it would be nice to have bounce messages that hit
the "Reply-to" processed by AutoShare, rather than having to manually
redirect them.
o When someone is unsubscribed from the list for reasons other than
manually unsubscribing themselves, it would be nice to keep them around
on the list in an inactive state with something that shows just why they
were unsubscribed.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:45:16 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Extra subscriber fields?
At 16:04 24/8/98, Mark Hartman wrote:
>o Lots of mailservers use the "Reply-to" header instead of the "Errors-to"
> header for bounces; it would be nice to have bounce messages that hit
> the "Reply-to" processed by AutoShare, rather than having to manually
> redirect them.
They should be using the SMTP envelope sender (which is the same as the
Errors-to: header in this case). If they don't, they are seriously broken.
That is, of course, assuming that some intermediate gateway hasn't
rewritten the envelope address.
The envelope sender shows up in incoming messages as the Return-path:
header, so you can check that there is no problem at your end.
Do you have any examples of this?
( :-]) James
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:32:37 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Extra subscriber fields?
>At 16:04 24/8/98, Mark Hartman wrote:
>
>>o Lots of mailservers use the "Reply-to" header instead of the
>>"Errors-to"
>> header for bounces; it would be nice to have bounce messages that hit
>> the "Reply-to" processed by AutoShare, rather than having to manually
>> redirect them.
>
>They should be using the SMTP envelope sender (which is the same as the
>Errors-to: header in this case). If they don't, they are seriously broken.
>
>That is, of course, assuming that some intermediate gateway hasn't
>rewritten the envelope address.
>
>The envelope sender shows up in incoming messages as the Return-path:
>header, so you can check that there is no problem at your end.
>
>Do you have any examples of this?
Sure:
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:22:47 +0100
Subject: Re: Extra subscriber fields?
From: "James Berriman" <james at dcl.co dot uk>
Mark,
Here's your problem:
>} ----- Message header follows -----
>}
>}Return-Path: <acs-newsletter.m-request at harthaven dot com>
[snip]
>}Errors-To: autoshare-bounce at harthaven dot com (List Server Automatic Message)
The return path for your original message should be
<autoshare-bounce at harthaven dot com>, not
<acs-newsletter.m-request at harthaven dot com>. The remote host is playing by the
rules here, as the bounce is correctly going to the envelope sender.
Either one of the MTAs involved here is rewriting that envelope address, or
you've discovered a very unusual bug in AutoShare!
As you say that many hosts are doing this, I suspect it may be something in
your SIMS setup.
( :-]) James
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:59:33 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Extra subscriber fields?
At 11:22 AM -0800 8/24/1998, you wrote:
>Mark,
>
>Here's your problem:
>
>>} ----- Message header follows -----
>>}
>>}Return-Path: <acs-newsletter.m-request at harthaven dot com>
>[snip]
>>}Errors-To: autoshare-bounce at harthaven dot com (List Server Automatic Message)
>
>The return path for your original message should be
><autoshare-bounce at harthaven dot com>, not
><acs-newsletter.m-request at harthaven dot com>. The remote host is playing by the
>rules here, as the bounce is correctly going to the envelope sender.
>
>Either one of the MTAs involved here is rewriting that envelope address, or
>you've discovered a very unusual bug in AutoShare!
Well, I don't know where the <acs-newsletter.m-request at harthaven dot com>
address is coming from, but I do know that I have the bounce address
set up correctly in AutoShare (at least AFAICT) as "autoshare-bounce."
I'm running AutoShare v2.2; perhaps I should upgrade?
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:25:10 +0100
Subject: Re: Extra subscriber fields?
From: "James Berriman" <james at dcl.co dot uk>
>Well, I don't know where the <acs-newsletter.m-request at harthaven dot com>
>address is coming from, but I do know that I have the bounce address
>set up correctly in AutoShare (at least AFAICT) as "autoshare-bounce."
>
>I'm running AutoShare v2.2; perhaps I should upgrade?
You can eliminate AutoShare as a suspect by sending a message to the list
and then quitting SIMS before the message is processed. Use ResEdit to
examine the resource fork of the message file created by AutoShare and you
should find that STR 8192 says "autoshare-bounce@harthaven dot com". If it
does, the problem is definitely elsewhere.
I doubt it's a problem with AutoShare. I'd suspect that some kind of mailing
list configuration option in SIMS is inserting that -request address. Anyone
else using SIMS who can shed light on this?
( :-]) James
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:06:18 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Extra subscriber fields?
At 12:25 PM -0800 8/24/1998, "James Berriman" <james at dcl.co dot uk> wrote:
>You can eliminate AutoShare as a suspect by sending a message to the list
>and then quitting SIMS before the message is processed. Use ResEdit to
>examine the resource fork of the message file created by AutoShare and you
>should find that STR 8192 says "autoshare-bounce@harthaven dot com". If it
>does, the problem is definitely elsewhere.
It does.
>I doubt it's a problem with AutoShare. I'd suspect that some kind of
>mailing
>list configuration option in SIMS is inserting that -request address.
>Anyone
>else using SIMS who can shed light on this?
FYI, I'm using SIMS 1.6.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:08:20 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Extra subscriber fields?
>FYI, I'm using SIMS 1.6.
>
Isn't your SIMS account used for maillist (listname.m) conigured to
overwrite sender's address?
HOnza
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:43:11 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Extra subscriber fields?
At 3:08 AM -0800 8/25/1998, Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz> wrote:
>>FYI, I'm using SIMS 1.6.
>
>Isn't your SIMS account used for maillist (listname.m) conigured to
>overwrite sender's address?
That fixed it; turning on the "Copy original Return-Path" option in the
"Mirror List" panel is the key. Thanks, Jan.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:28:48 -0700
From: Ken Tuley <tuley at aps dot edu>
Subject: not processing subscriptions
It appears that my autoshare 2.3 has stopped processing subscription
messages. The files are showing up in the same folder as the application.
I checked the path names and they appear to be correct.
Any ideas as to what's happening?
Ken Tuley Office: (505) 256-4269
Manager, Software & Training Services Fax: (505) 256-4452
APS Information Technology Services
220 Monroe SE tuley at aps dot edu
Albuquerque, NM 87108 http://www.aps.edu
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:33:44 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: not processing subscriptions
At 12:28 -0700 8/25/98, Ken Tuley wrote:
>It appears that my autoshare 2.3 has stopped processing subscription
>messages. The files are showing up in the same folder as the application.
Upgrade to 2.4.
>I checked the path names and they appear to be correct.
>Any ideas as to what's happening?
It's because you have specified paths to non-existing bounce and/or
mail-back folders, and 2.3 gets confused about that.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:29:38 -0800
From: milo at arcus dot org (Milo Sharp)
Subject: Re: Problem with moderated list
Mikael,
sorry it's taken so long for me to respond. I'm only at this job
(and in this state) for a few more days, so I've got my hands full.
If I send a message from my email address <milo at arcus dot org> to the
mailing list address, will the resulting message (as mailed to the
subscribers) have my address in the from field or the list's? I would
prefer the list address, as people will recognize messages from
"arcticinfo@arcus.org" but not from "milo@arcus dot org". If this is possible,
how can I set it up?
It was to achieve this result that I made the list address a
subscriber with post access. (It does not receive copies of any of the
messages.)
Milo Sharp
Information and Communications Specialist, ARCUS
Email: milo at arcus dot org
Phone: 907/474-1602
Fax: 907/474-1604
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:46:59 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Problem with moderated list
At 11:29 -0800 8/25/98, Milo Sharp wrote:
> If I send a message from my email address <milo at arcus dot org> to the
>mailing list address, will the resulting message (as mailed to the
>subscribers) have my address in the from field or the list's? I would
>prefer the list address, as people will recognize messages from
>"arcticinfo@arcus.org" but not from "milo@arcus dot org". If this is possible,
>how can I set it up?
No, I'm afraid it's not possible. In any event, the message is not coming
*from* the list! You can specify the list as your name in your mail client,
but the sender address reflects the sender.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:47:15 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: 3.0 feature request
Mikael,
this would be very simple and helpfull:
What about puttin a usage counter into every response document's Comments
box? I would for example like to know, how many times the Default document
was returned. And, in the Comments box, I can easily reset or preset those
counters.
Or, another idea, is making these counters decrementable, and making
AutoShare to send an alert to Listmaster when zero is reached...
HOnza
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:47:52 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Language request
Hi all
If you speak a language such as Spanish and Italian, any other than
English, German, Czech, French and Danish, please drop me an e-mail to
meh at dnai dot com. Thanks.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:16:59 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: 3.0 feature request
At 16:47 +0200 8/26/98, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>this would be very simple and helpfull:
>
>What about puttin a usage counter into every response document's Comments
>box? I would for example like to know, how many times the Default document
>was returned. And, in the Comments box, I can easily reset or preset those
>counters.
>
>Or, another idea, is making these counters decrementable, and making
>AutoShare to send an alert to Listmaster when zero is reached...
The easy part would be to store and display the counters of the resource
fork of the documents within the Documents folder. The more difficult part
would be to track down which actions update these counters in which
situations at which times. Unless of course if the Documents folder part of
the file path when generically opening the data fork triggers the raw
counter to be updated. I don't know. Noted.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:40:18 -0400
From: mlists <mlists at ppdirect dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 27 Aug 1998
Is it a new feature to have the digest as an attached document now? Or is
something going screwey with my email client? For the last few days,
they've been attached Eudora mailbox files.
Please advise.
Jerry Thompson
MIS Director/Webmaster
PP List Management, Inc.
http://www.ppdirect.com/
From: "Suarez, William" <WSuarez at wal.osicom dot com>
Subject: RE: AutoShare-Talk digest 27 Aug 1998
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:07:16 -0400
Jerry,
It may depend on the size of the digest file as to whether or not it is an
attachment.
Bill Suarez
-----Original Message-----
From: mlists [mailto:mlists at ppdirect dot com]
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 10:40 PM
To: AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 27 Aug 1998
Is it a new feature to have the digest as an attached document now? Or is
something going screwey with my email client? For the last few days,
they've been attached Eudora mailbox files.
Please advise.
Jerry Thompson
MIS Director/Webmaster
PP List Management, Inc.
http://www.ppdirect.com/
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:59:14 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: MIME digests as attachments
At 22:40 -0400 8/27/98, Jerry wrote:
>Is it a new feature to have the digest as an attached document now?
>Or is something going screwey with my email client? For the last
>few days, they've been attached Eudora mailbox files.
It is a new feature in the upcoming AutoShare 3.0 version. For the client
configuration, see Eudora under Settings --> Attachments --> Receive MIME
digests as attachments.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:52:22 -0300
From: bill at valleyweb dot com (Bill Doucet)
Subject: setting ack for the entire list
Greetings
I am new to the list, although Ihave used autoshare sporadically in the past.
I am setting up a private list for approximately 800 users. I will be
subscribing them manually by entering their addresses in the list file. I
would like to have all list members set to ack by default. Is there a way
to do this for the entire list at once or will I have to put the ..3 at the
end of each of their names?
I am looking forward to using autoshare for a "real" list. Are there any
issues I should be aware of for a list this size?
Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to give me.
Bill Doucet
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:45:32 +0100
From: James Berriman <james at dcl.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: setting ack for the entire list
At 16:52 +0100 28/8/1998, Bill Doucet wrote:
>Greetings
>
>I am new to the list, although Ihave used autoshare sporadically in the past.
>
>I am setting up a private list for approximately 800 users. I will be
>subscribing them manually by entering their addresses in the list file. I
>would like to have all list members set to ack by default. Is there a way
>to do this for the entire list at once or will I have to put the ..3 at the
>end of each of their names?
You can set the default list settings for that list to ACK, then drag and
drop a text file of addresses with the same name as the list onto your
AutoShare application. AutoShare will add the addresses to the list file
automatically.
( :-]) James
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:02:54 -0400
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: setting ack for the entire list
>I am setting up a private list for approximately 800 users. I will be
>subscribing them manually by entering their addresses in the list file. I
>would like to have all list members set to ack by default. Is there a way
>to do this for the entire list at once or will I have to put the ..3 at the
>end of each of their names?
Use a text editor or a database to create the list file. After you've
entered all the names, perform a find/replace in your text editor to find
"\r" (return) and replace it with " (Subscriber..3)\r".
-Jonathan {;-)
Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.
There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
things happen and those who wonder what happened.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:45:26 +0200
From: Karl Dubost <karl at paris.iufm dot fr>
Subject: Macjordomo ---> Autoshare
Dear people,
I decided to switch from Macjordomo + EIMS to Autoshare +
SIMS. Is there any way to keep the old mailing list and the digest
archive in Autoshare ???
Thanks.
--
Karl DUBOST - Webmaster, System Manager - IUFM de Paris
karl at paris.iufm.fr *** http://www.paris.iufm dot fr/ ***
"Un enseignement de la science qui n'apprend pas à penser n'est pas un
enseignement de la science, il est un enseignement de la soumission."
Evry Schatzman, Science et Société, 1971
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:05:25 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Message too big etc. etc.
I have one problem. May be I missed something in docs, but this is really
confusing. When somebody sends a message that is above the specified
maximum of lines allowed, I get it exactly with the same headers, as if it
would correctly go through the mailing list. I think that is not correct,
since I cannot know that there is any problem, unless I open that message
and see the "Message too big" header.
Here are the mail headers:
Subject: Re: KPPM
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 03:24:31 -0000
Reply-To: konference at appleklub dot cz (Subscribers of konference)
Precedence: bulk
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:listserv at appleklub dot cz?body=unsubscribe%20konference>
List-Help: mailto:pomoc at appleklub dot cz
List-Software: AutoShare 2.3 by Mikael Hansen
x-sender: mail.terminal dot cz@
x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998
From: Miroslav HERMAN - Prague(CZ) <nowhere at terminal dot cz>
To: konference at appleklub dot cz (Subscribers of konference)
Mime-Version: 1.0
Status: U
************************************************************
Message body too big (226 > 200), forwarded to the moderator
************************************************************
So, what should I do to filter such messages as Listserver error messages?
HOnza
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:22:52 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Monthly help files
Is it possible to have a folder of monthly help files and let AutoShare to
choose one of them randomly?
And, is it possible to have weekly help files? I mean without writing a
special process extender or any other script...
HOnza
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:23:00 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Macjordomo ---> Autoshare
At 09:45 +0200 9/1/98, Karl Dubost wrote:
> I decided to switch from Macjordomo + EIMS to Autoshare +
>SIMS. Is there any way to keep the old mailing list and the digest
>archive in Autoshare ???
Subscriber import greatly depends on the exact format that the subscriber
addresses are stored in. Some grep-like find and replace in BBEdit can go a
long way. You may then be able to simply paste the subscribers into a list
file. Or perhaps the "Drag and drop onto AutoShare" section in the
documentation can be of some help. An AppleScript may also come in handy.
The files in the Archives folder come in pairs. One stores messages while
the other stores the table of content (see the documention on the
.text/.txt file extensions). When a GET subscriber command is issued, the
pair of files is combined and wrapped into one complete message file. Some
creative experimenting may be accomplish something here.
Subject: A quirk with the subscription document
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 98 16:44:54 -0400
From: Emiliano <subscriptions at lifelong dot com>
Perhaps you already know this, or it may be news to most, but I just
discovered that the subscription document must have /=sub or /=original
in it otherwise subscribers don't get subscribed. I didn't see this in
the documentation. At first I thought my subcription document was too
large until I tracked the problem to the ansence in my document of one or
both of these commands.
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 01:22:01 +0100
Subject: Re: A quirk with the subscription document
From: "James Berriman" <james at dcl.co dot uk>
>Perhaps you already know this, or it may be news to most, but I just
>discovered that the subscription document must have /=sub or /=original
>in it otherwise subscribers don't get subscribed. I didn't see this in
>the documentation. At first I thought my subcription document was too
>large until I tracked the problem to the ansence in my document of one or
>both of these commands.
Yes, you just need the /=sub token to trigger the subscription process.
The /=original token inserts the text of the original message into the reply
(you can use it in any of your autoresponse documents).
( :-]) James
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:44:45 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: A quirk with the subscription document
At 16:44 -0400 9/1/98, Emiliano wrote:
>Perhaps you already know this, or it may be news to most, but I just
>discovered that the subscription document must have /=sub or /=original
>in it otherwise subscribers don't get subscribed. I didn't see this in
>the documentation.
Running the server
Running a list server
List server and list basics
List server documents and tokens
"Standard list server documents also include at least one token line to
trigger a given action."
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:20:56 +0200
From: Karl Dubost <karl at paris.iufm dot fr>
Subject: Re: Macjordomo ---> Autoshare
At 22:23 +0200 1/09/98, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>Subscriber import greatly depends on the exact format that the subscriber
>addresses are stored in. Some grep-like find and replace in BBEdit can go a
>long way. You may then be able to simply paste the subscribers into a list
>file. Or perhaps the "Drag and drop onto AutoShare" section in the
>documentation can be of some help. An AppleScript may also come in handy.
I think it's one of the difficulties of the actual
documentation on the web. It seems to be very complete and it's
difficult to find exactly what you want at the same time !
I think we need applescript examples and some automated
routines, like assistant from apple.
The work already done is wonderfull !!!! but as you know,
more you give, more we want.
>The files in the Archives folder come in pairs. One stores messages while
>the other stores the table of content (see the documention on the
>.text/.txt file extensions). When a GET subscriber command is issued, the
>pair of files is combined and wrapped into one complete message file. Some
>creative experimenting may be accomplish something here.
Is there other people on the list that have the
configurations SIMS + Autoshare ???? I think there is a lack of
support for this config.
It could be very usefull, because SIMS is very powerfull.
THanks of lot for all your work !
--
Karl DUBOST - Webmaster, System Manager - IUFM de Paris
karl at paris.iufm.fr *** http://www.paris.iufm dot fr/ ***
"Un enseignement de la science qui n'apprend pas à penser n'est pas un
enseignement de la science, il est un enseignement de la soumission."
Evry Schatzman, Science et Société, 1971
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:54:27 +0200
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: Macjordomo ---> Autoshare
> Is there other people on the list that have the
>configurations SIMS + Autoshare ???? I think there is a lack of
>support for this config.
I do.
# SBE
\ Serge BELLEUDY - d'ESPINOSE | Reseau & Macintosh /
) @: sam at ijm dot jussieu dot fr -+- Institut J. Monod - Tour 43 (
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:18:40 +0200
From: Karl Dubost <karl at paris.iufm dot fr>
Subject: Re: Macjordomo ---> Autoshare
At 16:54 +0200 2/09/98, Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose wrote:
>> Is there other people on the list that have the
>>configurations SIMS + Autoshare ???? I think there is a lack of
>>support for this config.
>
>I do.
OK, fine ! what could you tell us about your configuration
and the difficulties you have !
--
Karl DUBOST - Webmaster, System Manager - IUFM de Paris
karl at paris.iufm.fr *** http://www.paris.iufm dot fr/ ***
"Un enseignement de la science qui n'apprend pas à penser n'est pas un
enseignement de la science, il est un enseignement de la soumission."
Evry Schatzman, Science et Société, 1971
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:15:01 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Macjordomo ---> Autoshare
At 16:20 +0200 9/2/98, Karl Dubost wrote:
> I think it's one of the difficulties of the actual
>documentation on the web. It seems to be very complete and it's
>difficult to find exactly what you want at the same time !
It is indeed a top priority that the documentation be accurate and
complete, as this is the one authentic place where it can be expected to be
so. I have tried to structure it logically, but it is fair to say that some
levels down may be called for at times.
> I think we need applescript examples and some automated
>routines, like assistant from apple.
That's often a balance between (client) user friendliness and (server)
power. More time for the former generally translates into less time for me
doing the latter.
> The work already done is wonderfull !!!! but as you know,
>more you give, more we want.
Thanks! There'll be more in the upcoming version 3.0.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:51:57 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Macjordomo ---> Autoshare
>> Is there other people on the list that have the
>>configurations SIMS + Autoshare ???? I think there is a lack of
>>support for this config.
>
>I do.
Me too. At the first place, feel free to ask hundreds of questions. Then
somebody can collect a FAQ for this issue.
And here are some concrete troubles I had with that:
1) Problem with filenames
In SIMS you cannot select name or path of the mailing list file. And the
same for folder storage. It is always accountname@L or accountname@F,
respectively. Yes, you can use aliases. But, to create an alias, you first
have to create an original. If you create an account and turn its mirror
list on, it automatically creates a new "@L" file. That's what you do not
want. So you first have to create a receiving account and a list. Then you
have to subscribe at least one user, so AutoShare correctly creates the
".m" and ".d" files. And then you can create the ".m" and ".d" accounts in
SIMS and use those created files.
This becomes a big problem, when you administer your server remotely, using
Hotline for managing files, because you cannot see differences between an
alias and a regular file. If you forget to create an alias, and then setup
an account, the mirror list file is there, but it is not an alias to the
right mailing list.
2) Speed - not really a problem
SIMS is VERY FAST. So, you cannot use monitors to watch, what is going on.
Processing a message is so fast that you even cannost read its subject. To
test AutoShare with SIMS, you have to run always only one of those
applications, if you want be sure, how the files were processed.
3) Where mails are stored?
The same problem as number one, especially if you are converting from EIMS.
If you select an account to store mails into folder, you have no field for
specifying the folder's path. You have to create an alias of that folder,
name it "accountname@F", and put it into the SIMS' accounts folder.
4) A trick I have just found
How to simply edit lists by Web? Create an account in SIMS (MYSPEC),
disable it (for example make a record <MYSPEC> = ERROR in router), but
switch it to hav a mirror list. As a mirror list file, use an alias to the
list file. And you can then use SIMS' Web access to edit the file. But do
not forget to quit AutoShare (i.e. by remote administration command) before
editing mailing list files.
I do not remember anything more, but you still can ask...
HOnza
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:26:41 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: A quirk with the subscription document
>Perhaps you already know this, or it may be news to most, but I just
>discovered that the subscription document must have /=sub
>in it otherwise subscribers don't get subscribed.
That's right, and is is also good. I like it. It allows you to simply
disable a subscription even for an open mailing list. And the same with
other commands.
Also usefull is to disable the SET command, so users cannot make themselves
concealed, and so on...
HOnza
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:42:50 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Macjordomo ---> Autoshare
>At 16:20 +0200 9/2/98, Karl Dubost wrote:
>
>> I think it's one of the difficulties of the actual
>>documentation on the web. It seems to be very complete and it's
>>difficult to find exactly what you want at the same time !
>
>It is indeed a top priority that the documentation be accurate and
>complete, as this is the one authentic place where it can be expected to be
>so. I have tried to structure it logically, but it is fair to say that some
>levels down may be called for at times.
The documentation is a little bit confusing, but nothing really important
is missing. I advice to read it whole once, and then to use a Find feature
in Netscape to search for needed information. It is really simple and very
effective.
HOnza
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:11:36 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Documentation
At 09:42 +0200 9/3/98, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>I advice to read it whole once, and then to use a Find feature in Netscape
>to search for needed information. It is really simple and very effective.
Good suggestion. I do this often.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:13:53 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Version 3.0 coming up
Hi all
Version 3.0 is ready to go public beta one of these days. If you haven't
upgraded to 2.4 yet, it is recommended that you do so soonish as the 3.0
beta archive will include only those files that have changed since 2.4. It
may be noted that I have yet to come across a bug in 2.4, so upgrading is
benificial in any event.
Subject: bad token?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 98 09:15:09 -0800
From: Donna Parrish <donna at multilingual dot com>
I've been using Autoshare with great success. I have been running 2.4b3.
It seems that for a while, peope have been unable to subscribe
automatically. This is a function that used to work on our system.
Potential subscribers now get the message:
Your subscription has been received pertaining to the following list:
/=sub (bad token)
I have tried removing the preferences and re-setting up my lists, and
have also downloaded the 2.4 version, but it gives the same error. So, I
presently monitor the Autoshare report and subscribe people
(successfully) via remote email password. This is perhaps something very
basic, but it eludes me. Any ideas? Thanks.
Donna
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:42:11 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: bad token?
At 09:15 -0800 9/3/98, Donna Parrish wrote:
>I've been using Autoshare with great success. I have been running 2.4b3.
>It seems that for a while, peope have been unable to subscribe
>automatically. This is a function that used to work on our system.
>Potential subscribers now get the message:
>Your subscription has been received pertaining to the following list:
>/=sub (bad token)
The source of it is most likely the /=sub line in your Sub document,
perhaps a hidden character or something. Do people receive the other text
in the sub document? Does the /=sub line or the file name contain any
spaces? If you send me the Sub file, I can look into it.