Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:05:22 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Passwords for announce lists?
At 14:39 -0400 17/7/1997, i.d. wrote:
>Is there any way to insure that announcements for announce lists are sent
>from the list owner? I know that AutoAhare checks the From header, but that
>can easily be spoofed. Is there any way to set up a designated password
>that must be included in the message in order to post announcements?
There is no direct way of applying passwords to announcement list
contributions specifically, such as we see it with list server requests and
the use of listmaster passwords in remote administration by e-mail.
You may however benefit from the very powerful feature entitled mail-back
confirmations (see the section on this in the AutoShare 1.3 Addendum),
which returns a passworded response to the sender, who then must reply
before the original message is activated. This is as secure as it gets.
You basically set up a Mail Back folder and a Hold Mail folder. The EIMS
account for contributions for the given list is directed to the Mail Back
folder instead of the Filed Mail folder. Once the message file arrives in
the Mail Back folder, AutoShare moves it into the Hold Mail folder and
sends a message to the sender asking for a confirmation. When the
confirmation message file arrives in the Mail Back folder, AutoShare
matches it with the message file in the Hold Mail folder, moves the message
file from the Hold Mail folder into the Filed Mail folder and deletes the
message in the Mail Back folder.
James has set up AutoShare-software at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk requiring
mail-back confirmations, so you can test-drive the feature before using it
yourself. You may use the Admin or AppleScript to configure the two new
folders.
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 02:36:20 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: Passwords for announce lists?
At 19:39 17/07/97, i.d. wrote:
>Is there any way to insure that announcements for announce lists are sent
>from the list owner? I know that AutoAhare checks the From header, but that
>can easily be spoofed. Is there any way to set up a designated password
>that must be included in the message in order to post announcements?
>
>Thanks,
>David
Do this:
*disable the list account in EIMS, so messages to the list address are bounced
*use the email admin feature. Send a message to AutoShare (not the list)
with this command in the first line of your message:
<password> post <your email address> <listname> <your name>
The rest of your message will be posted to the list.
You can set a list-specific password for any list using the Admin.
The above does work (I've just tested it on my server).
( :-]) James
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 18:45:04 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Passwords for announce lists?
At 02:36 +0100 18/7/1997, James Berriman wrote:
><password> post <your email address> <listname> <your name>
How quickly I forget :-)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 02:54:20 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: subscribe process extender
Mikael,
How about adding the listname to the info that's passed to the subscribe
process extender?
That would make it much easier to script :-)
( :-]) James
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 21:39:44 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: subscribe process extender
At 02:54 +0100 18/7/1997, James Berriman wrote:
>How about adding the listname to the info that's passed to the subscribe
>process extender?
>
>That would make it much easier to script :-)
Actually, I did that this weekend ;-) I was writing a set of simple
Subscribe and Unsubscribe process extender samples dealing with FileMaker
Pro and ran at that time into a need for the list name used in a Send Mail
command in the Unsubscribe script.
It dawned on me right then that the list name of course couldn't be
extracted easily scriptwise and that I wasn't about to apply that sort of
pain to myself, much less others. The list name of course is readily
available within the AutoShare processing module at the entry-point of
passing the list parameters to the Subscribe and Unsubscribe process
extenders, so the list name may in the next beta be accessed as
set kList to item 9 of aList
It is recommended that you use such variables at the beginning of your
scripts, as chances are that some item numbers within the passed list may
change. This makes it a whole lot easier to update your scripts in future.
The complete list of my suggested variables is included in the Before
Processing Template script by the way.
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:04:05 -0700
From: Bill Catambay <admin at clavin.lmms.lmco dot com>
Subject: Changing the bounce message?
When a person who is not subscribed to a list tries to post, they get a
bounce message such as:
>************************************************************
>ATTENTION PLEASE
>Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
>You cannot post to a list, unless you are a subscriber
>The list server address is autoshare at clavin.lmms.lmco dot com
>************************************************************
My question is, where is this text stored? I'd like to change it.
Thanks,
Bill
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:05:53 -0700
From: Bill Catambay <admin at clavin.lmms.lmco dot com>
Subject: Archive question...
Currently, the archive of posts for my lists are compiled into a file
called current.html, and it just grows and grows and grows. Is there an
automated way for this archive to split at month end (such that each
month's worth of posts are archived in a single file) ?
Bill
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:20:34 -0400
From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
Subject: Re: Archive question...
Bill,
You can set the number of messages in the list specific setup window. When
contributions hit that limit, the "current" file is archived (still available)
and a new "current" is started.
Bill Suarez
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Archive question...
From: autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet
Date: 7/18/97 8:05 AM
Currently, the archive of posts for my lists are compiled into a file
called current.html, and it just grows and grows and grows. Is there an
automated way for this archive to split at month end (such that each
month's worth of posts are archived in a single file) ?
Bill
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:06:14 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Changing the bounce message?
At 08:04 -0700 18/7/1997, Bill Catambay wrote:
>My question is, where is this text stored?
Inside the application resources...
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:21:36 -0700
From: Bill Catambay <admin at clavin.lmms.lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Archive question...
At 1:20 PM -0400 on 7/18/97, Bill Suarez wrote:
> Bill,
>
> You can set the number of messages in the list specific setup window. When
> contributions hit that limit, the "current" file is archived (still
>available)
> and a new "current" is started.
>
Autoshare Admin, Configuration - Lists, double-click on the list, and set
the field labeled Messages? (it defaults to -1)
That's what I changed. I hope it's the right field.
Thanks for the info,
Bill
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>> Subject: Archive question...
> From: autoshare-talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet
> Date: 7/18/97 8:05 AM
>
> Currently, the archive of posts for my lists are compiled into a file
> called current.html, and it just grows and grows and grows. Is there an
> automated way for this archive to split at month end (such that each
> month's worth of posts are archived in a single file) ?
>
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:23:38 -0700
From: Bill Catambay <admin at clavin.lmms.lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Changing the bounce message?
At 11:06 AM -0700 on 7/18/97, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> At 08:04 -0700 18/7/1997, Bill Catambay wrote:
>
> >My question is, where is this text stored?
>
> Inside the application resources...
>
>
Oh, and it's all in pieces too. Well, what I really need to change is the
autoshare e-mail address it inserts, and I couldn't find that in the
resources. I want the message to reflect the alias we have set up for the
list.
In other words, it currently displays autoshare at clavin.lmms.lmco dot com, but I
want it to display camelot.listserver at lmco dot com (which is an alias). Is
there anyway I can do that?
Cheers,
Bill
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 21:22:06 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: Archive question...
At 8:21 pm 18/7/97, Bill Catambay wrote:
>Autoshare Admin, Configuration - Lists, double-click on the list, and set
>the field labeled Messages? (it defaults to -1)
>
>That's what I changed. I hope it's the right field.
Correct. That's the one!
( :-]) James
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:55:17 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Changing the bounce message?
At 12:23 -0700 18/7/1997, Bill Catambay wrote:
>In other words, it currently displays autoshare at clavin.lmms.lmco dot com, but I
>want it to display camelot.listserver at lmco dot com (which is an alias). Is
>there anyway I can do that?
I don't see how. Sorry.
Future possiblities may be either designing your own response text or
letting you handle it via a (drum roll, please...) process extender!
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:56:17 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Archive question...
At 12:21 -0700 18/7/1997, Bill Catambay wrote:
>Autoshare Admin, Configuration - Lists, double-click on the list, and set
>the field labeled Messages? (it defaults to -1)
>
>That's what I changed. I hope it's the right field.
It is. The field is described by turning on the balloon help btw.
There is little direct Admin help in the Addendum, in part due to the nice
balloon help, but also due to the related script and preferences
documentation, which correlate with both each other and the balloon help.
The Addendum's section on 'The AutoShare Preferences file and its
list-specific configuration' describes the list-specific settings and
includes this note on the field in question: "max archive messages (e.g.
'200') for rollover feature (defaults to '-1', general configuration; '0'
ignores the feature)".
The specifics of the AppleScript dictionary is obtained by dragging
AutoShare onto the Script Editor, showing the commands and the classes in
the left column. By clicking on the class entitled List Options, the
property Messages is listed as "Messages small integer [r/o] -- Max
archive messages for rollover (0 ignores limit)".
The Addendum furthermore offers a section on 'Rollover of archive files'!
Subject: From header in autoreply
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 97 20:06:27 -0400
From: Eric Mings <elm at ao dot net>
Is is possible to set the "from" header in an autoreply to something
other than the account that generated the autoreply?
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 17:20:38 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: From header in autoreply
At 20:06 -0400 19/7/1997, Eric Mings wrote:
>Is is possible to set the "from" header in an autoreply to something
>other than the account that generated the autoreply?
No, but you can insert a reply-to header.
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:44:48 -0400
From: "i.d." <id at mindinmotion dot com>
Subject: disabling the X-sender field
Is there any way to force teh announcement from an announce list to NOT
display the X-sender field? Announcements are being posted under an alias,
and I'm trying to avoid giving out the sender's real e-mail address. The
address in his mail program preferences have been changed to the alias, but
his real e-mail address still shows up in the X-sender field.
Thanks.
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:18:11 -0500
From: "Tom A. Moberg" <TMoberg at miph dot org>
Subject: To do a proper backup...
I am wondering where the list(s) of subscribers is kept in the Autoshare
system. I have to move files and folders from my mail server to another
machine to get tape backups and I want to move the right stuff.
Thanks for the help.
Tom
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:50:23 -0700
From: Bill Catambay <admin at clavin.lmms.lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: To do a proper backup...
At 3:18 PM -0500 on 7/21/97, Tom A. Moberg wrote:
> I am wondering where the list(s) of subscribers is kept in the Autoshare
> system. I have to move files and folders from my mail server to another
> machine to get tape backups and I want to move the right stuff.
>
It's easy enough to figure out... go into the Admin program, under
Preferences choose Folders, and you'll see the path names. They should all
lead to a primary folder (such as Auto), and the stuff in the folder is the
stuff which you want to save. You'll also want to save the account
information from EIMS as well. There's Mail Folder in the System Folder,
and Autoshare folder and Internet Mail Server files in the Preferences
folder. Not sure if there is anything else...
Bill
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:52:50 -0700
From: Bill Catambay <admin at clavin.lmms.lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Changing the bounce message?
At 1:55 PM -0700 on 7/18/97, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> At 12:23 -0700 18/7/1997, Bill Catambay wrote:
>
> >In other words, it currently displays autoshare at clavin.lmms.lmco dot com, but I
> >want it to display camelot.listserver at lmco dot com (which is an alias). Is
> >there anyway I can do that?
>
> I don't see how. Sorry.
>
> Future possiblities may be either designing your own response text or
> letting you handle it via a (drum roll, please...) process extender!
>
Well, this would be very helpful. Currently, the listserver address is
being publicly advertised with the alias, and it could become confusing to
see this other completely different looking address in the message. The
address still works, of course, but it will probably still confuse people.
The alias is preferred because the domain name is going to be changed, and
may be changed again in the future. The alias will remain constant.
Bill
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:53:35 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: disabling the X-sender field
At 15:44 -0400 21/7/1997, i.d. wrote:
>Is there any way to force teh announcement from an announce list to NOT
>display the X-sender field?
You can write an After Processing process extender to do this, although it
would probably seem like a real hassle for this kind of task.
>Announcements are being posted under an alias, and I'm trying to avoid
>giving out the sender's real e-mail address. The address in his mail
>program preferences have been changed to the alias, but his real e-mail
>address still shows up in the X-sender field.
A whole lot cleaner simply setting up the alias as a real e-mail account
(EIMS accounts are after all free) and having incoming mail forwarded to
the sender's regular mail account.
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 01:32:35 +0100
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman)
Subject: Re: disabling the X-sender field
At 8:44 pm 21/7/97, i.d. wrote:
>Is there any way to force teh announcement from an announce list to NOT
>display the X-sender field? Announcements are being posted under an alias,
>and I'm trying to avoid giving out the sender's real e-mail address. The
>address in his mail program preferences have been changed to the alias, but
>his real e-mail address still shows up in the X-sender field.
>
>Thanks.
If he's using Eudora, I believe there's a plugin available that disables
the x-sender header.
( :-]) James
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:48:37 -0700
From: Bill Catambay <admin at clavin.lmms.lmco dot com>
Subject: Listserver address problem continued....
At 1:52 PM -0700 on 7/21/97, Bill Catambay wrote:
> At 1:55 PM -0700 on 7/18/97, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>
>
> > At 12:23 -0700 18/7/1997, Bill Catambay wrote:
> >
> > >In other words, it currently displays autoshare at clavin.lmms.lmco dot com,
>but I
> > >want it to display camelot.listserver at lmco dot com (which is an alias). Is
> > >there anyway I can do that?
> >
> > I don't see how. Sorry.
> >
> > Future possiblities may be either designing your own response text or
> > letting you handle it via a (drum roll, please...) process extender!
> >
>
> Well, this would be very helpful. Currently, the listserver address is
> being publicly advertised with the alias, and it could become confusing to
> see this other completely different looking address in the message. The
> address still works, of course, but it will probably still confuse people.
> The alias is preferred because the domain name is going to be changed, and
> may be changed again in the future. The alias will remain constant.
>
Well, I just realized that the listserver address is in each and every post
as well, only the wrong one is being inserted.
e.g.:
X-To-Unsubscribe: autoshare at clavin.lmms.lmco dot com, body: unsub mac
I need it to say...
X-To-Unsubscribe: eis.listserver at lmco dot com, body: unsub mac
Am I disabled from changing this as well? This is definitely going to be
confusing people. If I cannot change the address, is there a way to
disable this X-To-Unsubscribe header?
Thanks in advance,
Bill
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:37:39 +0900
From: "Richard M. Pavonarius" <richard at phoenix.apic.or dot jp>
Subject: Autoshare & European Characters
Quick question. Is there any problem with having European characters
(accented vowels, etc) in the names of people subscribed to an Autoshare
list?
Thanks,
Rich
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:30:52 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare & European Characters
At 16:37 +0900 24/7/1997, Richard M. Pavonarius wrote:
>Quick question. Is there any problem with having European characters
>(accented vowels, etc) in the names of people subscribed to an Autoshare
>list?
I am not aware of any such problem.
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:22:31 +0200
From: cReverd at Xon-Xoff dot com (Christophe Reverd)
Subject: Log per list ?
Hi team,
With your help a new list is running on my system. But I still have to deal with trouble : Everyday, the main listmaster receives a complete log for all lists on our system. It' perfect. But the each "local" listmaster doesn't receive his individual list
log. The local admin appears in each mail header as :
X-List-Admin: Chxxxxx.Rxxxx at ISP dot fr (Name)
What's the problem ? Many thanks in advance.
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 07:40:53 -0400
From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
Subject: Re: Log per list ?
Did you make sure to set the "local" listmaster's address in the EMail address
input box on each of the list entries correctly?
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Log per list ?
From: AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet
Date: 7/28/97 12:22 PM
Hi team,
With your help a new list is running on my system. But I still have to deal with
trouble : Everyday, the main listmaster receives a complete log for all lists
on our system. It' perfect. But the each "local" listmaster doesn't receive his
individual list
log. The local admin appears in each mail header as :
X-List-Admin: Chxxxxx.Rxxxx at ISP dot fr (Name)
What's the problem ? Many thanks in advance.
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** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:02:00 -0400
From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
Subject: AutoShare Forms Support
Mikael and James,
Did we somehow forget to finish the Forms support?
The Search and Query functions are not yet supported and I don't believe that
the Help function works properly either.
Is it just me?
Bill Suarez
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:02:35 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare Forms Support
At 08:02 -0400 28/7/1997, Bill Suarez wrote:
>Did we somehow forget to finish the Forms support?
Yes :-( Supporting more commands will be looked into.
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 07:36:57 -0400
From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
Subject: RE: AutoShare Forms Support
Wonderful news, thanks.
On Tuesday, July 29, 1997 7:36 AM, AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk wrote:
> At 08:02 -0400 28/7/1997, Bill Suarez wrote:
>
> >Did we somehow forget to finish the Forms support?
>
> Yes :-( Supporting more commands will be looked into.
>
>
>
> ** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
> ** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:51:06 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 1.4b1
Hello, one and all
AutoShare 1.4b1 is available from
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
1.4b1 primarily expands on process extenders and introduces the address
protection feature. Please read the enclosed documents first!
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Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:36:23 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Address protection
James has set up a test list with address protection enabled.
<mailto:autoshare at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk?body=subscribe%20Paranoia-L%20Your%20Nam
e>
The returned welcome message will inform you of how to send a mail to a
given subscriber. You would use a URL like this
<mailto:protected at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk?subject=Paranoia-L%20[address token]>
The e-mail address in the RFC From field body is replaced with the
corresponding address token (added to an index file when subscribed and
removed when unsubscribed). Address tokens are used in review listings,
list contributions (also having X-Sender fields removed), digests, standard
archives and fully automated web archives (URL listed in footer of list
contributions).
An address token of course isn't an actual e-mail address, but
From: <mailto:protected at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk?subject=Paranoia-L%20[address
token]>
won't do either! You have to create a new message based on the URL. And if
the list or the address token isn't valid, the mail is returned to sender.
Mail-back confirmation has been applied to protected at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk.
It can be applied to list contributions and/or any given list server
command as well.
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:35:46 -0400
From: "i.d." <id at mindinmotion dot com>
Subject: mail error
Somehow i've gotten a Message move error -120 loop going within Autoshare.
Is there any way to purge current jobs so that i can kill this loop?
thanks,
david
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:25:48 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: mail error
At 17:35 -0400 29/7/1997, i.d. wrote:
>Somehow i've gotten a Message move error -120 loop going within Autoshare.
>Is there any way to purge current jobs so that i can kill this loop?
-120 is Directory not found. I haven't never heard of this with AutoShare,
so more detailed information is appreciated. Do you have any files in the
Filed Mail folder or the AutoShare Temp folder?
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:36:14 +0200
From: cReverd at Xon-Xoff dot com (Christophe Reverd)
Subject: Re: Log per list ?
> Did you make sure to set the "local" listmaster's address in the EMail address
> input box on each of the list entries correctly?
Yes, I did.
Somtimes I can see this kind of info sometimes I don't see that :
Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:00:35 New log starting up
Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:00:35 Copying Log.iacchos <------- Not on a regular basis.
Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:00:35 Copying Log.Generic <------- Every day
Does it make sense for you ?
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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:52:44 -0400
From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
Subject: Re[2]: Log per list ?
You will only get a log generated and set to a "local" listmaster if that
particular list had any "actions" since the last log was generated. In other
words, if nothing has happened on that list, then no list specific log will be
generated.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Log per list ?
From: AutoShare-Talk at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk at Internet
Date: 7/30/97 12:36 PM
> Did you make sure to set the "local" listmaster's address in the EMail address
> input box on each of the list entries correctly?
Yes, I did.
Somtimes I can see this kind of info sometimes I don't see that :
Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:00:35 New log starting up
Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:00:35 Copying Log.iacchos <------- Not on a regular basis.
Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:00:35 Copying Log.Generic <------- Every day
Does it make sense for you ?
Christophe Reverd
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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:38:30 -0400
From: "i.d." <id at mindinmotion dot com>
Subject: Re: mail error
At 04:25 PM 7/29/97 -0700, you wrote:
>At 17:35 -0400 29/7/1997, i.d. wrote:
>
>>Somehow i've gotten a Message move error -120 loop going within Autoshare.
>>Is there any way to purge current jobs so that i can kill this loop?
>
>-120 is Directory not found. I haven't never heard of this with AutoShare,
>so more detailed information is appreciated. Do you have any files in the
>Filed Mail folder or the AutoShare Temp folder?
There are no files in the Filed Mail or Autoshare Temp folders. The error
began when i created a New List from the Lists dialogue within Autoshawe
Admin. I *think* that it's looking for the list.m and list.d files, which
are there now but which i don't think were there when i first set up the
list and sent test subscriptions to it.
The error is still occurring after letting it run for a night, and the
Bounce account is reporting "the following message could not be sent" to
the recipient at their host "because a mail loop exists."
Is this helpful?
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:18:12 +0100
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: mail error
At 13:38 30/7/97, i.d. wrote:
>I *think* that it's looking for the list.m and list.d files, which
>are there now but which i don't think were there when i first set up the
>list and sent test subscriptions to it.
That's normal. The .m and .d files are only created when a message is
actually posted to the list.
>The error is still occurring after letting it run for a night, and the
>Bounce account is reporting "the following message could not be sent" to
>the recipient at their host "because a mail loop exists."
If you're getting bounce messages, that indicates a problem with smpt
delivery. EIMS has tried to send the message and failed. I can't see this
being an AutoShare error.
What do these error messages look like?
( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:19:17 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: mail error
At 16:25 -0700 29/7/1997, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>-120 is Directory not found.
At 15:18 +0100 30/7/1997, James Berriman wrote:
>If you're getting bounce messages, that indicates a problem with smpt
>delivery. EIMS has tried to send the message and failed. I can't see this
>being an AutoShare error.
i.d.: chances are that you see the -120 error in the status window of EIMS.
Perhaps a path for an EIMS account wasn't entered correctly, e.g. EIMS
requires no trailing colon.
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:28:45 -0400
From: "i.d." <id at mindinmotion dot com>
Subject: Re: mail error
At 03:18 PM 7/30/97 +0100, you wrote:
>At 13:38 30/7/97, i.d. wrote:
>
>>I *think* that it's looking for the list.m and list.d files, which
>>are there now but which i don't think were there when i first set up the
>>list and sent test subscriptions to it.
>
>That's normal. The .m and .d files are only created when a message is
>actually posted to the list.
>
>>The error is still occurring after letting it run for a night, and the
>>Bounce account is reporting "the following message could not be sent" to
>>the recipient at their host "because a mail loop exists."
>
>If you're getting bounce messages, that indicates a problem with smpt
>delivery. EIMS has tried to send the message and failed. I can't see this
>being an AutoShare error.
>
>What do these error messages look like?
The errors are indeed with EIMS. They read
Moving message from user at host dot com to listname at host dot com
Message move error -120
I have the list account set up properly, with Save as files... selected to
HD:Auto:LS:listname
as well listname.d and listname.m set up...
I've tried to delete and recreate the list, as well as restart EIMS and
Autoshare, but nothing seems to stop the errors. Suggestions?
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:41:57 -0400
From: "i.d." <id at mindinmotion dot com>
Subject: Re: mail error
AHH! i just noticed that my .d and .m files within EIMS were configured to
Save instead of as Mailing Lists. I deleted all three list-related accounts
(which seemed to kill the old job), recreated them with the proper Save or
Mailing List functions, and VOILA! everything works fine.
Thanks for your help. At least now i know what a -120 might be telling me...
i.d.
At 03:18 PM 7/30/97 +0100, you wrote:
>At 13:38 30/7/97, i.d. wrote:
>
>>I *think* that it's looking for the list.m and list.d files, which
>>are there now but which i don't think were there when i first set up the
>>list and sent test subscriptions to it.
>
>That's normal. The .m and .d files are only created when a message is
>actually posted to the list.
>
>>The error is still occurring after letting it run for a night, and the
>>Bounce account is reporting "the following message could not be sent" to
>>the recipient at their host "because a mail loop exists."
>
>If you're getting bounce messages, that indicates a problem with smpt
>delivery. EIMS has tried to send the message and failed. I can't see this
>being an AutoShare error.
>
>What do these error messages look like?
>
>( :-]) James
>
>
>
>** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
>** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:52:49 +0200
From: cReverd at Xon-Xoff dot com (Christophe Reverd)
Subject: Re[2]: Log per list ?
>From: wsuarez at digprod dot com (Bill Suarez)
>Subject: Re[2]: Log per list ?
>
>You will only get a log generated and set to a "local" listmaster if that
>particular list had any "actions" since the last log was generated. In other
>words, if nothing has happened on that list, then no list specific log will be
>generated.
For sure. Does-it mean "local" listmaster receive only a log file for each
contribution and not for each subscribe, unsubscribe ? Is there a way to do
that ? Thanks.
Christophe Reverd
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:34:48 +0100
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: mail error
At 19:28 30/7/97, i.d. wrote:
>I have the list account set up properly, with Save as files... selected to
>HD:Auto:LS:listname
There's the actual cause of your error message :-)
That path should point to the filed mail folder, not the listname.
EIMS is looking for a folder called 'listname', which doesn't exist.
( :-]) James
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 06:15:30 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re[2]: Log per list ?
At 12:52 +0200 31/7/1997, Christophe Reverd wrote:
>Does-it mean "local" listmaster receive only a log file for each
>contribution and not for each subscribe, unsubscribe ?
The AutoShare log system has three transaction types: list server requests,
list contributions and auto-responses. The corresponding account tags for
these are the list server user name, the list name and the auto-response
user name. The transaction types and the account tags are visible in the
log file, which is open at all times when AutoShare is running, but are not
visible in the mailed log messages whether sent to the main listmaster or
the list-specific listmaster.
So the answer to your question is yes.
I am not entire sure why the account tag for the list server request
transaction type doesn't reflect the list name if available (an account tag
with a list name will in fact cause the list-specific log to properly
include the entry and even have the totals updated), but chances are that
there was a good movie on the evening that I originally did the stuff :-)
>Is there a way to do that ?
Yes, you can set up process extenders to do that. See the two samples in
the Write Log subfolders of the Subscribe and Unsubscribe folders. Let's
zoom in on the following line from the first AppleScript sample
Write Log logString (kSender & " [" & kRFCFrom & "] has been subscribed!")
which simply writes a string to the log file. A written entry may look like
"a@b [a@b] has been subscribed!". As there is no valid indication that the
entry is list-specific, the log to the list-specific listmaster does not
include it. So the question is: how do you make it list-specific?
Simple. You put the transaction type line and the account tag line just
before the above AppleScript line! Here is the sequence
Write Log logString ("ˆ ‡listserver")
Write Log logString ("ˆ „" & kList)
Write Log logString (kSender & " [" & kRFCFrom & "] has been subscribed!")
And to the beginning of the script you add the line
set kList to item 9 of aList
This should do it. The Unsubscribe sample may be updated in a similar way.
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:21:55 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: More on logs and process extenders
Yesterday I had some mails going with a subscriber, and as the discussion
turned out to be quite interesting, here are some more details on the topic
of logs and process extenders.
When a list contribution is processed, a list-specific entry is added to
the log file. The log write however takes place before various exceptions
are taken into account. Such an exception may be a subscriber trying to
post to an announcement list, which is bound to be unsuccessful, and so the
mail is returned to sender with a note added to the beginning of the body.
The purpose of the Contribution Alert Multiple Alerts process extender
sample was to illustrate how to return a list of strings to AutoShare and
how this list of strings replaces the lines of the standard alert note in
the beginning of the body for the given exception.
The AppleScript return command alone is what triggers the replacement.
Merely running the process extender without a return command does not. You
can use a Contribution Alert process extender to write to the log file
without replacing the standard alert notes, and that is how the above
discussion got interesting.
A process extender may be used to write the exception in question to the
log file, as one of the list items in the parameter passed from AutoShare
is the contribution alert type. If a subscriber tries to post to an
announcement list, then write it to the log file! If a subscriber tries to
post to a subscription list, but is not subscribed, then write it to the
log file! And/or if you prefer a mail sent to the listmaster, that can be
done too.
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 08:57:33 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Looking for 68K Macs
All
If you have a 68K Mac available not usually used with AutoShare and
wouldn't mind running a quick test (starting up a special version of
AutoShare and shutting it down), please drop me a note @ meh at dnai dot com.
Thanks!
--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:44:11 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 1.4b2
Hi all!
AutoShare 1.4b2 is available from
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
The primary topic of 1.4b2 is the Archives folder. The file names of text
formatted list archives and digests no longer use an extension pair of
.html and .toc. They now use .text and .txt.
An option in the AutoShare application has been added, so that you may
choose to store archives in both text and HTML rather than just either one
or the other. So if your Archives folder is empty and a list contribution
takes place, the following files are created:
Current.text text formatted main archive file
Current.txt text formatted table-of-contents archive file
Current.html HTML formatted main archive file
Current.toc HTML formatted table-of-contents archive file
Digest.text text formatted main digest file
Digest.txt text formatted table-of-contents digest file
After you have shut down your AutoShare application and before you start up
1.4b2, it is important that you update the file name extensions of current
files to reflect the new convention for file extensions. You are also
encouraged to do so for all older files in the Archives folder.
1.4b2 also introduces Tip Of The Day lists and the AutoShare non-processing
mode and furthermore completes the subscriber web form commands and tokens
(thanks, Bill!).
The AutoShare 1.4beta Notes document describes all of the above in detail.
--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:41:11 -0700
From: Gary Szabo <gszabo at centralia.ctc dot edu>
Subject: remote list management:'the 5th word'
Hi, all...
Reading from the AutoShare documentation:
"Commands supported so far are subscribe (the 5th word in the text format
is just the rest of the line)..."
Two questions:
1. Can you somehow really insert the addressee's real name out there?
We've tried various combinations in the form of
rosebud subscribe a@b fun-l "Mr. X"
and it works sporadically and unpredictably. Surrounding quotes,
parentheses, etc. don't seem to do it (I personally don't care, but one of
my off-site list managers likes descriptive names out there).
2. Does AutoShare have any line length limitations? Some addresses that go
through gateways, with really long funky addresses, seem to mess up the
'5th word' more often.
TIA,
GSz
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:32:41 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 1.4b3
AutoShare 1.4b3 is available from
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
1.4b3 fixes two bugs.
One is getting a CHK error when creating a new list with the error taking
place at the time of the first list contribution.
The other is
At 15:41 -0700 4/8/1997, Gary Szabo wrote:
>2. Does AutoShare have any line length limitations? Some addresses that
>go through gateways, with really long funky addresses, seem to mess up
>the '5th word' more often.
The 5th word (rest) has been promoted from 63 characters to 255.
Gary, how is 1. using 1.4b3?
Thanks to the individuals, who responded to today's note and have tested
AutoShare on 68K Macs. All of them were 68040 though, so 68030 and less are
still in demand. It's fine to use 1.4b3 for this. Thanks!
--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:31:21 +0200
From: Marc Eggenberger <meggenbe at iiic.ethz dot ch>
Subject: Prob with EIMS
Hi there ...
Mickael Hansen told me someone in here maybe knows a solution to my proble=
m
I tried to setup EIMS and sending email from created accounts goes perfect=
ly also logging in. But when I send a Email TO a account on the EIMS syste=
m all I get is "a mailloop exists" and the mail is not deleveried.
DNS is made on my own with QuickDNS Pro.
Maybe if someone could help me I'd be very happy. If you need more infos a=
bout the config (maybe the DNS config) just email me and I glady send it t=
o you.
bye there
mfg
Marc Eggenberger meggenbe at iiic.ethz dot ch
www.ieo.ch