Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:03:19 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: address protection
At 04:12 -0500 15/11/1997, Jonathan Shaw wrote:
>How would I then send _private mail_ to Jonathan Shaw
><1332559113 at b62968.cwru dot edu> using the address protection feature?
>The manual says that mail gets addressed to protected@<domain> so I also
>tried making a save as files account in SIMS called Protected... but it
>didn't help.
When address protection is enabled for a given list, special address tokens
are assigned to each subscriber at future subscription times and stored in
an index file. The address token must be used as part of the subject in
conjunction with the protected@ address, and when AutoShare processes the
message, the address token is fetched from the index file and translated
into the real address. The envelope recipient is updated, and the mail is
moved to the Incoming Mail folder (the Submitted folder in SIMS).
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:56:33 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Alias to subscriber file
I want to put a particular list file in my web folder with an alias
pointing to it where AutoShare's other list files are. Will this work? Or
will AutoShare be unhappy?
-Jonathan {;-)
<http://b62968.cwru.edu/>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:08:08 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: "Reply-To:" in digests
I have the reply-to field set to configurable for two lists. It is working
as expected for mail subscribers (it shows the special reply address I
entered). But, on the digests the reply-to: field says the list address
instead of the configured one. What am I doing wrong?
-Jonathan {;-)
<http://b62968.cwru.edu/>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 06:49:42 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Alias to subscriber file
At 20:56 -0500 17/11/1997, Jonathan Shaw wrote:
>I want to put a particular list file in my web folder with an alias
>pointing to it where AutoShare's other list files are. Will this work? Or
>will AutoShare be unhappy?
Aliases are not supported within the List Server folder. And as list files
are not in HTML, a web folder is probably not the best place to put them
anyway.
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 06:50:05 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: "Reply-To:" in digests
At 00:08 -0500 19/11/1997, Jonathan Shaw wrote:
>I have the reply-to field set to configurable for two lists. It is working
>as expected for mail subscribers (it shows the special reply address I
>entered). But, on the digests the reply-to: field says the list address
>instead of the configured one. What am I doing wrong?
Nothing :-) It's a bug.
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:01:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Sterling Ledet <sjledet at ledet dot com>
Subject: Does Autoshare Work on EIMS 2.0?
I am thnking about upgrading from EIMS 1.2 to 2.0 for the anti-spam
features. But I need to continue my Autoshare based mail list. Is this
possible?
Sterling Ledet & Associates ph.404-325-3338
2176 Heritage Drive
Atlanta, GA 30345 http://www.ledet.com
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:27:40 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Does Autoshare Work on EIMS 2.0?
At 22:01 -0500 20/11/1997, Sterling Ledet wrote:
>I am thnking about upgrading from EIMS 1.2 to 2.0 for the anti-spam
>features. But I need to continue my Autoshare based mail list. Is this
>possible?
Yes. You merely need to update the path for the Incoming Mail folder, as
the Mail Folder has moved from inside the System Folder to inside the EIMS
2.0 application folder.
Date: 21 Nov 97 08:13:58 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: AutoShare-Talk digest 21 Nov 1997
I just noticed that Mikael is using 2.0b2 of Autoshare. Is it in public
beta?
Chuck Boody
========
>List-Software: AutoShare 2.0b2 by Mikael Hansen
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:02:07 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: RE: AutoShare-Talk digest 21 Nov 1997
At 08:13 -0600 21/11/1997, Chuck Boody wrote:
>I just noticed that Mikael is using 2.0b2 of Autoshare.
Actually James is using it :-)
>Is it in public beta?
Sorry, not at this time.
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:10:27 -0800
From: "Terry R. Schussler" <schussler at gmatter dot com>
Subject: Some 1.4.2 questions
OK, I finally got off my ass and moved our mailing lists from 1.1 to 1.4.2...
I've read the docs carefully, dealt with the archive renaming, etc. Now a
few questions:
Can the web server folder location for the automatic archives be specified
using the Admin program? Or must I use ResEdit?
Is there a clear list someplace of the configuration features supported by
AutoShare which are *not* found in the Admin program?
Does AutoShare notify me differently when it removes a subscriber from the
list due to a soft bounce versus a hard (550) bounce?
Thanks,
Terry
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:01:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Sterling Ledet <sjledet at ledet dot com>
Subject: Script Error from Admin
WheneverI doubleclick on a list from Autoshare 1.4.2 Admin, I am greeted
with an error dialog. It says "An error occured while executing the Script
of window "List". No result was returned by some part of this expression
(-2763)"
Sny suggestions on what could be causing it? It just happens on one list (a
rather large one with a bunch of subscribers.)
Sterling Ledet & Associates ph.404-325-3338
2176 Heritage Drive
Atlanta, GA 30345 http://www.ledet.com
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:03:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Sterling Ledet <sjledet at ledet dot com>
Subject: Figured out the Script Error
I figured out the script error. It was due to missing resources. I
duplicated the FUN-L resources, and changed them to the new list name and
everything seems to work.
Sterling Ledet & Associates ph.404-325-3338
2176 Heritage Drive
Atlanta, GA 30345 http://www.ledet.com
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:03:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Sterling Ledet <sjledet at ledet dot com>
Subject: Using both LISTSERV and AUTOSHARE addresses
Is there anyway to configure AUTOSHARE 1.4.2 so that subscription, etc.
messages sent to either LISTSERV or AUTOSHARE both work correctly?
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:56:50 -0600
From: Paul DuBois <paul at snake dot net>
Subject: Re: Using both LISTSERV and AUTOSHARE addresses
>Is there anyway to configure AUTOSHARE 1.4.2 so that subscription, etc.
>messages sent to either LISTSERV or AUTOSHARE both work correctly?
Forward LISTSERV mail to AUTOSHARE.
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:13:07 -0800
From: "Terry R. Schussler" <schussler at gmatter dot com>
Subject: Duplicate postings using v1.4.2
For some reason I can't determine, all of the post for the past two days
made to my list are being posted twice. I must have some configuration
option set wrong but I just can't figure out which. I did switch from v1.1
to 1.4.2 on the 15th but the duplications only started appearing two days
ago.
Any input would be appreciated.
Regards,
Terry
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:56:11 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Some 1.4.2 questions
At 23:10 -0800 21/11/1997, Terry R. Schussler wrote:
>Can the web server folder location for the automatic archives be specified
>using the Admin program? Or must I use ResEdit?
In the Lists window of the Admin, click the List button. In the List
window, find the Web Path field.
>Is there a clear list someplace of the configuration features supported by
>AutoShare which are *not* found in the Admin program?
Not really, but here is what I can think of:
1. as EIMS accounts are not scriptable at this time, they can be configured
via the EIMS user interface only
2. part of the Keep Applications Up feature currently requires ResEdit, but
is likely to become completely scriptable and thereby added to the Admin
3. the scriptable Send Mail will be added to the Admin
>Does AutoShare notify me differently when it removes a subscriber from the
>list due to a soft bounce versus a hard (550) bounce?
For both soft and hard bounces, a log entry appears for when a subscriber
is removed. However, only hard bounces also send a mail to the listmaster.
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:36:31 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Duplicate postings using v1.4.2
At 09:13 -0800 22/11/1997, Terry R. Schussler wrote:
>For some reason I can't determine, all of the post for the past two days
>made to my list are being posted twice. I must have some configuration
>option set wrong but I just can't figure out which. I did switch from v1.1
>to 1.4.2 on the 15th but the duplications only started appearing two days
>ago.
I feel sure that it is not a 1.4.2 thing.
With AutoShare down and EIMS up, post a list contribution. Once it arrives,
check that you have only one file in the Filed Mail folder.
With EIMS down and AutoShare up, wait for message file to be processed.
Once it arrives, check that you have only one file in the Incoming Mail
folder. You may want to check the <list>.m list file too.
With AutoShare down and EIMS up, check to see if you receive one or two
copies in your inbox. Once you are done, restart AutoShare.
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:10:05 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Duplicate postings using v1.4.2
At 5:13 pm 22/11/97, Terry R. Schussler wrote:
>For some reason I can't determine, all of the post for the past two days
>made to my list are being posted twice.
Is everyone receiving two copies, or just you?
If the latter, then you may find that you have a second address forwarding
to your account. Perhaps a nonexistent local address forwarding to you as
postmaster, or an alternative address (like listmaster@) which is normally
set to nomail and has somehow been reset to mail.
( :-]) James
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:52:20 -0800
From: "Terry R. Schussler" <schussler at gmatter dot com>
Subject: Using AutoShare Admin remotely
I tried using the AutoShare Admin (v1.4.2) to remotely administrate for the
first time the other day. When I choose the Remote button, only two
Macintoshes appear in the list (out of at least a dozen) and specifically,
the computer which is running AutoShare is not listed.
I'm guessing that only computers with specific software installed are
responding to whatever AppleTalk queries the Admin is making. If so, what
is that software?
Running the Admin locally works fine.
I've tried using the Admin with the integrated FaceSpan extension and I
*do* have QuickTime 2.5 properly installed. Both Macintoshes (the admin
one and the remote AutoShare one) are running OS 7.6.1.
I apologize if this is a RTF Web Pages question, but I have read all of the
notes so I think I'm just missing it - duh.
Regards,
Terry
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:58:47 -0800
From: "Terry R. Schussler" <schussler at gmatter dot com>
Subject: Re: Duplicate postings using v1.4.2
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:10:05 +0000
>From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
>Subject: Re: Duplicate postings using v1.4.2
>
>At 5:13 pm 22/11/97, Terry R. Schussler wrote:
>>For some reason I can't determine, all of the post for the past two days
>>made to my list are being posted twice.
>
>Is everyone receiving two copies, or just you?
>
>If the latter, then you may find that you have a second address forwarding
>to your account. Perhaps a nonexistent local address forwarding to you as
>postmaster, or an alternative address (like listmaster@) which is normally
>set to nomail and has somehow been reset to mail.
>
James:
That's very likely to be the source of the problem since I did make some
EIMS account changes concurrently with the upgrade to v1.4.2. I'll go find
out. I'll also check it out using Mikael's suggestion.
Thanks,
Terry
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:31:18 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Using AutoShare Admin remotely
At 15:52 -0800 23/11/1997, Terry R. Schussler wrote:
>I tried using the AutoShare Admin (v1.4.2) to remotely administrate for the
>first time the other day. When I choose the Remote button, only two
>Macintoshes appear in the list (out of at least a dozen) and specifically,
>the computer which is running AutoShare is not listed.
Configuring Program Linking is somewhat elaborate:
1. turn on program linking in the control panel Sharing Setup
2. select AutoShare, Sharing from the File menu, check to allow
3. in the User and Groups control panel, allow specific user access
It is very easy not to remember all of it!
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:26:03 +0000
From: Bill Bedford <billbpm at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Autoshare and CD's
I have had a odd thing happen recently.
Autoshare has suddenly appeared to have stopped working, and on closer
inspection has been trying to process an invisible file called 'Icon' in
the Filed Mail Folder. I have no idea where this file came from except that
on the occasions when it has happened I have had a CD loaded in the machine.
I am using SIMS for mail transport if that makes a difference.
Has anyone else seen something like this?
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:23:55 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Autoshare and CD's
At 12:26 25/11/97, Bill Bedford wrote:
>I have had a odd thing happen recently.
>
>Autoshare has suddenly appeared to have stopped working, and on closer
>inspection has been trying to process an invisible file called 'Icon' in
>the Filed Mail Folder. I have no idea where this file came from except that
>on the occasions when it has happened I have had a CD loaded in the machine.
>
>I am using SIMS for mail transport if that makes a difference.
>
>Has anyone else seen something like this?
It's a known problem. Your Filed Mail folder has somehow acquired a custom
icon. Any folder with a custom icon includes an invisible file called
'icon'. Try doing a get info on the folder, selecting any custom icon (top
left of the get info box) and deleting it. Probably easiest to just trash
the Filed Mail folder and create a new one :-)
The next release of AutoShare will ignore invisible icon files.
( :-]) James
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:32:02 -0800
From: "Terry R. Schussler" <schussler at gmatter dot com>
Subject: Re: Using AutoShare Admin remotely
>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:31:18 -0800
>From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
>Subject: Re: Using AutoShare Admin remotely
>
>At 15:52 -0800 23/11/1997, Terry R. Schussler wrote:
>
>>I tried using the AutoShare Admin (v1.4.2) to remotely administrate for the
>>first time the other day. When I choose the Remote button, only two
>>Macintoshes appear in the list (out of at least a dozen) and specifically,
>>the computer which is running AutoShare is not listed.
>
>Configuring Program Linking is somewhat elaborate:
>
>1. turn on program linking in the control panel Sharing Setup
>2. select AutoShare, Sharing from the File menu, check to allow
>3. in the User and Groups control panel, allow specific user access
>
>It is very easy not to remember all of it!
In the word of the inestimatible Homer Simpson, "Doh!"
Thanks Mikael. I should have known better.
Terry
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:55:16 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Autoshare and SIMS
I'm having two problems getting AutoShare working with SIMS.
1. Docs
Even though I have text files called "Default SUB" and "Default UNSUB"
set up, as the documentation seems to say to do, I keep getting a "No
document available / Please contact listmaster@harthaven dot com" message
back when I try to subscribe or unsubscribe.
2. Subscribing/unsubscribing
These operations fail when I send an e-mail message to autoshare. I can
manually subscribe a user through AutoShare Admin, but not via e-mail. I
have not tried any other commands via e-mail.
I believe I have all of the folders set up right; when I have manually
subscribed, and send a message to the list, the message is distributed
by AutoShare.
Any assistance would be very much appreciated.
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:40:43 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: Autoshare and SIMS
>I'm having two problems getting AutoShare working with SIMS.
In this particular case, I think the problem is just the filenames, nothing
to do with SIMS.
>1. Docs
>
> Even though I have text files called "Default SUB" and "Default UNSUB"
> set up, as the documentation seems to say to do, I keep getting a "No
> document available / Please contact listmaster@harthaven dot com" message
> back when I try to subscribe or unsubscribe.
The files should be named "Sub" and "Unsub" without the word "default" in them.
>2. Subscribing/unsubscribing
>
> These operations fail when I send an e-mail message to autoshare. I can
> manually subscribe a user through AutoShare Admin, but not via e-mail. I
> have not tried any other commands via e-mail.
This is because the filenames in part 1 were wrong. You may want to check
out the Fun-L sample included with AutoShare. I think it included all the
necessary AutoShare files for the Documents:AutoShare folder.
>I believe I have all of the folders set up right; when I have manually
>subscribed, and send a message to the list, the message is distributed
>by AutoShare.
That's cool! :) I think you're almost there.
-Jonathan {;-)
<http://b62968.cwru.edu/>
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:48:18 +0000
From: Bill Bedford <billbpm at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: Autoshare and CD's
At 1:23 pm +0000 25/11/97, James Berriman wrote:
~
~It's a known problem. Your Filed Mail folder has somehow acquired a custom
~icon. Any folder with a custom icon includes an invisible file called
~'icon'. Try doing a get info on the folder, selecting any custom icon (top
~left of the get info box) and deleting it. Probably easiest to just trash
~the Filed Mail folder and create a new one :-)
I don't think this is the whole explanation. I have tried deleting the icon
file and replacing the folder, but at the next shutdown, a new icon file is
created. This only appears to happen to often used folders on a shared
disk. I suspect the the culprit is filesharing, though the fact that the
disk has a custom icon may be relevant.
~
~The next release of AutoShare will ignore invisible icon files.
Good :-)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:55:01 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Autoshare and CD's
At 11:48 27/11/97, Bill Bedford wrote:
>At 1:23 pm +0000 25/11/97, James Berriman wrote:
>I don't think this is the whole explanation. I have tried deleting the icon
>file and replacing the folder, but at the next shutdown, a new icon file is
>created. This only appears to happen to often used folders on a shared
>disk. I suspect the the culprit is filesharing, though the fact that the
>disk has a custom icon may be relevant.
If an individual folder is shared (as opposed to the whole disk), the
folder icon changes to reflect the fact. This might explain where your
custom icon is coming from.
Someone else recently reported the same invisible Icon problem on upgrading
to Mac OS 8, BTW.
( :-]) James
Subject: autoshare voodoo
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 97 16:46:45 -0600
From: Gabriel Shirley <gabriel at bigmindmedia dot com>
After several weeks of apparently working fine, my autoshare lists are
now doing several strange things:
1) Some lists are apparently not sending any mail.
2) I have users reporting that they're receiving mail that was written by
one list member but the FROM field lists a different list member. i.e.
Joe sends a msg and it appears to be from Sally. You can imagine the
confusion this produces.
3) Remote administration no longer works...I get an error msg saying
unknown command.
4) Sometimes when I post to a list I get an error msg back saying I'm not
subscribed even though I'm in the list when I check it out via admin.
Thanks in advance for any and all help. I really hope I can get this
thing back on track this weekend.
Take care,
Gabriel
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:11:06 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: autoshare voodoo
>After several weeks of apparently working fine, my autoshare lists are
>now doing several strange things:
>
>1) Some lists are apparently not sending any mail.
>2) I have users reporting that they're receiving mail that was written by
>one list member but the FROM field lists a different list member. i.e.
>Joe sends a msg and it appears to be from Sally. You can imagine the
>confusion this produces.
>3) Remote administration no longer works...I get an error msg saying
>unknown command.
>4) Sometimes when I post to a list I get an error msg back saying I'm not
>subscribed even though I'm in the list when I check it out via admin.
>
>Thanks in advance for any and all help. I really hope I can get this
>thing back on track this weekend.
>
>Take care,
>
>Gabriel
That's really odd considering it's not even Halloween...
You've probably already tried these things, but:
* Try checking your hard drive for errors with Disk First Aid or Norton
Utilities or something.
* Try quitting and relaunching AutoShare, or restarting your Mac.
* Open the list subscriber file in a text editor, like BBEdit, and see if
the list looks normal. For example, find your address in the list and see
if your name next to it is right, etc.
* Hope that Mikael is around this weekend and knows how to fix this! :)
-Jonathan {;-)
<http://b62968.cwru.edu/>
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 01:22:19 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: autoshare voodoo
At 10:46 pm 28/11/97, Gabriel Shirley wrote:
>1) Some lists are apparently not sending any mail.
Clarification on the meaning of 'apparently' would be useful here :-)
-If a subscriber is set to noack, they may well be sending messages to a
list and not seeing their own contribution appear.
-You can check whether mail is getting to AutoShare by quitting the
application and sending a message to the list. Does a message file appear
in the Filed Mail folder?
-Your logs should give you plenty of clues. Especially if you set them to
"Tech".
>2) I have users reporting that they're receiving mail that was written by
>one list member but the FROM field lists a different list member. i.e.
>Joe sends a msg and it appears to be from Sally. You can imagine the
>confusion this produces.
I'd ask the users to send you copies of these strange messages. Perhaps
'Sally' is fond of quoting entire messages or redirecting stuff from other
people to your lists ;-)
>3) Remote administration no longer works...I get an error msg saying
>unknown command.
>4) Sometimes when I post to a list I get an error msg back saying I'm not
>subscribed even though I'm in the list when I check it out via admin.
The last two may be down to the same cause. Do you have AutoShare
configured to use envelope addresses (the default) or the From: address?
If it's the former, then depending on your mail client you may find that
your envelope address differs from what AutoShare expects.
Do you always use Emailer? Eudora puts your 'return address' (if specified)
in the envelope. Otherwise it uses the From: address. As I recall, Emailer
uses your pop server address. Netscape is different again!
You may be subscribed to the list as <gabriel at bigmindmedia dot com>, but
AutoShare sees <gabriel at mail.bigmindmedia dot com> in your mail envelope (the
smtp MAIL FROM address, not the message headers).
A small but inconclusive clue from your message:
>X-Sender: gabriel at mail.bigmindmedia dot com
>From: Gabriel Shirley <gabriel at bigmindmedia dot com>
Hope this sheds a little light!
( :-]) James
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:33:59 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Defining new AutoShare commands, sort of
I noticed in the sample setup that the "Month" file is returned when
someone sends the command "month" to the listserver.
I've also noticed that some commands can be qualified to particular lists
by placing ".<listname>" at the end of the filename.
I'm trying to add different "FAQ" files, qualified by listname, to my
server,
and it doesn't seem to be working.
1) Is this not supported?
2) If it's not, any chance it could be added? It would be VERY useful.
3) How's the version that ignores invisible files coming? The "Icon" file
keeps hanging my AutoShare server.
Thanks to all
Mark Hartman
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:55:59 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: Defining new AutoShare commands, sort of
>I noticed in the sample setup that the "Month" file is returned when
>someone sends the command "month" to the listserver.
>
>I've also noticed that some commands can be qualified to particular lists
>by placing ".<listname>" at the end of the filename.
>
>I'm trying to add different "FAQ" files, qualified by listname, to my
>server,
>and it doesn't seem to be working.
>
>2) If it's not, any chance it could be added? It would be VERY useful.
I believe AutoShare was originally designed to be an auto-responder... so
what you want it to do is actually its basic function. Just make a folder
in the Documents folder corresponding to each auto response account you
want it to handle. In each of those folders, make a file called Default
that contains the response. For more specific, subject based responses,
make additional files with the filename matching the subject you'd like it
to correspond to.
For me, I made a SIMS account called humor-info. In the AutoShare documents
folder is a folder called humor-info. Inside that folder is a file called
Default which contains the Humor list information file. When someone sends
e-mail to humor-info at b62968.cwru dot edu, they receive that file as an e-mail
in response. I could make it more sophisticated by adding additional
documents, like one called fee, which reports back to the user the cost for
subscribing (there is none). But, I'd rather keep the instructions for the
end user as simple as possible.
The humor information file is something I'd also like to be sent to every
user each month, so I've made an alias to it and called the alias
month.humor, and placed it in the AutoShare subfolder of Documents. I've
been using AutoShare for less than a month, so I won't know until Monday if
it works. :)
>3) How's the version that ignores invisible files coming? The "Icon" file
> keeps hanging my AutoShare server.
You may want to delete the icon. Get info on the folder, click the icon,
and choose clear from the edit menu. If this isn't the problem, then use
ResEdit (or File Buddy or ...) to make the icon visible. Then move it to
the trash.
-Jonathan {;-)
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 02:05:54 +0000
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Defining new AutoShare commands, sort of
At 1:33 am 29/11/97, Mark Hartman wrote:
>I'm trying to add different "FAQ" files, qualified by listname, to my
>server,
>and it doesn't seem to be working.
>
>1) Is this not supported?
Only the predefined AutoShare commands support this method at the moment.
You can, however, have files named after the lists (i.e. just 'listname' or
even 'listname-faq').
( :-]) James
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:08:26 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Defining new AutoShare commands, sort of
At 17:33 -0800 28/11/1997, Mark Hartman wrote:
>I've also noticed that some commands can be qualified to particular lists
>by placing ".<listname>" at the end of the filename.
>
>I'm trying to add different "FAQ" files, qualified by listname, to my
>server, and it doesn't seem to be working.
>
>1) Is this not supported?
For the sub and unsub documents only, I think. The upcoming 2.0 goes about
it in a more elegant way, as you create a folder called, say, sub, and put
documents named after the lists inside (plus also a Default document). This
way of doing it applies to all command documents btw.
>3) How's the version that ignores invisible files coming? The "Icon" file
> keeps hanging my AutoShare server.
The 2.0 beta is coming along nicely, and the release date is moving closer
and closer :-) It includes lots of various bug fixes and minor improvements
(such as the invisible icon file thing in the Filed Mail folder). The
version also includes a fully revamped documentation (the 1.0 documentation
was certainly no state of the art...) and completely merged with the 1.4.2
addendum in a single HTML document. Plus there is one big feature (it is a
major version after all!).
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:39:37 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: More novice questions
First, thanks to everyone who responded to my previous question. Of
course, I have more questions...
1. I have a mailing list which, when set to "Announcement" or "Moderated,"
will not accept postings even from the list owner. Is there anything
in particular that would keep the list from accepting these posts?
(I'm currently getting around it by not letting anyone post except the
list owner, and just leaving the list as "Subscription," but it would
be nice to know what I'm doing wrong.)
2. I seem to remember something in the documentation - which I can no longer
find - that says that AS scans the first few lines for a command, and
if a command is found that the message is bounced.
a. Can anyone point me at that part of the documentation, or, failing
that, tell me what the algorithm is for this check?
b. Is the title of any file in the "Docs:AutoShare" folder considered
to be a command for this purpose?
TIA
Mark Hartman
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:54:25 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: More novice questions
At 09:39 -0800 29/11/1997, Mark Hartman wrote:
>1. I have a mailing list which, when set to "Announcement" or "Moderated,"
> will not accept postings even from the list owner. Is there anything
> in particular that would keep the list from accepting these posts?
Your listmaster address probably doesn't match your client mail address. In
the returned mail to you specififying that you couldn't post, compare both
the From address and the X-Sender address (if any) with the listmaster
address. If this doesn't do it for you, can you send me both the returned
mail and a fresh analysis file?
>2. I seem to remember something in the documentation - which I can no longer
> find - that says that AS scans the first few lines for a command, and
> if a command is found that the message is bounced.
>
> a. Can anyone point me at that part of the documentation, or, failing
> that, tell me what the algorithm is for this check?
In a mail body with commands in multiple lines, AutoShare stops processing
when it encounters a line not beginning with a command or when there are no
more lines.
> b. Is the title of any file in the "Docs:AutoShare" folder considered
> to be a command for this purpose?
Yes and no :-) Actual commands are those, which support respective /=
tokens in respective documents. HELP for instance is therefore not a
command per se, but it is quite okay to put a document with the file name
of HELP in the folder. There just isn't any /=help token to trigger any
action, but the document text will still be returned to the sender.
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:17:52 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Internal workings of AutoShare?
You've probably noticed by now that I'm new to this listserver stuff, but
I'm reasonably experienced at designing flexible command-and-control
systems.
Is there any reason that the command processing within AutoShare couldn't
be made to do something similar to the following:
1. The "commands" received by AutoShare should ALWAYS refer to the
Documents folder, and the folders therein. The first token after
the "command" is fixed as the list name ("/=p1"); the following
tokens as /=p2, /=p3, etc. "/=p2+" means "the second token and
the rest of the line following." So, if someone sent the command
"subscribe fun-l", the file
"...AutoShare:Docs:AutoShare:fun-l:subscribe"
would be opened and processed, with /=p1 being "fun-l".
2. Once AutoShare finds the file referred to, it processes it. Rather
than depending upon the command that the user entered for action, it
would take action based upon the tokens found in the file, including
actions such as subscription, unsubscription, etc. So, in the example
above, that file would have to have a token within it which would
cause the user to be subscribed to the list in /=p1. Of course, you
could do other things as well.
(Maybe it should run an AppleScript? Or be able to?)
In this way, you'd have COMPLETE freedom to define commands, and would also
be language-independent. (I don't know how to say "subscribe" in Russian,
for example, but I'll bet they use a different word. :)
Mikael, I know that this isn't the kind of thing that you like to see at
the last minute, and I certainly don't want you to think that I'm asking
you to put all this into 2.0 - but is this a sound way of doing things
for consideration for some future release?
Regards
Mark Hartman
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:55:53 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Internal workings of AutoShare?
At 13:17 -0800 30/11/1997, Mark Hartman wrote:
>Rather than depending upon the command that the user entered for action,
>it would take action based upon the tokens found in the file, including
>actions such as subscription, unsubscription, etc.
I dunno. While the document is chosen based on the command, I see what you
are saying though.
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 09:01:25 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Help! - Wacky things happening in OS 8
At 12:51 PM -0800 on 11/14/97, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> At 09:37 -0800 14/11/1997, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>
> >I went into both Filed Mail and LS folders, made the Icon file visible,
> >and then deleted them. Lo and behold, the Icon list disappeared, and
> >Autoshare was no longer stuck trying to process the Icon post.
>
> Thanks for bringing this up!
>
>
Here's an update:
After restarting the computer, OS 8 recreates the Icon files; hence,
recreates the problem. If you could come up with a fix for this, it would
certainly make my life easier (so I don't have to go chasing after
invisible files with ResEdit to delete them).
It would also be great to have some control over the sort and/or naming
convention of the web archives so that their order makes some sort of sense.
Cheers,
Bill
PS: After some tinkering, the difference between OS 8 and pre-OS 8 for
these Icon files is that in OS 8 the type is "icon" and the creator is
"MACS", and in pre-OS 8 both these fields are blank. Instead of deleting
the file, I'm going to try to just blank out these fields, and hopefully a
restart will not reset them...
The above idea did not work. Autoshare sees the Icon files no matter what
I did. The only thing that fixed it is deleting the files. :(
BTW, are there any plans of making it so that Autoshare Admin "remembers"
where Autoshare is? Everytime I quit and restart it, the Autoshare Admin
always asks me to go find it again. When I do a computer restart, it does
that _plus_ ask me to find Facespan. Just minor inconveniences that I hope
there are quick do-able fixes for.
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 09:11:48 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare and CD's
At 12:26 PM +0000 on 11/25/97, Bill Bedford wrote:
> I have had a odd thing happen recently.
>
> Autoshare has suddenly appeared to have stopped working, and on closer
> inspection has been trying to process an invisible file called 'Icon' in
> the Filed Mail Folder. I have no idea where this file came from except that
> on the occasions when it has happened I have had a CD loaded in the machine.
>
> I am using SIMS for mail transport if that makes a difference.
>
> Has anyone else seen something like this?
>
I posted this problem a few weeks ago. Use ResEdit, and set the files Icon
in your Autoshare directories to visible. Then delete the files.
Bill
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 09:12:53 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare and CD's
At 1:23 PM +0000 on 11/25/97, James Berriman wrote:
> At 12:26 25/11/97, Bill Bedford wrote:
> >I have had a odd thing happen recently.
> >
> >Autoshare has suddenly appeared to have stopped working, and on closer
> >inspection has been trying to process an invisible file called 'Icon' in
> >the Filed Mail Folder. I have no idea where this file came from except that
> >on the occasions when it has happened I have had a CD loaded in the machine.
> >
> >I am using SIMS for mail transport if that makes a difference.
> >
> >Has anyone else seen something like this?
>
> It's a known problem. Your Filed Mail folder has somehow acquired a custom
> icon. Any folder with a custom icon includes an invisible file called
> 'icon'. Try doing a get info on the folder, selecting any custom icon (top
> left of the get info box) and deleting it. Probably easiest to just trash
> the Filed Mail folder and create a new one :-)
>
OS 8 automatically puts the invisible Icon files into your folders whether
you have custom icons or not.
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:05:46 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: Help! - Wacky things happening in OS 8
>After restarting the computer, OS 8 recreates the Icon files; hence,
>recreates the problem. If you could come up with a fix for this, it would
>certainly make my life easier (so I don't have to go chasing after
>invisible files with ResEdit to delete them).
This is odd, because I've been running OS 8 and have never seen it create
icon files for me. I have never noticed the problem you are having in
AutoShare, so I think it may be a different program on your computer that
is creating those icons.
>PS: After some tinkering, the difference between OS 8 and pre-OS 8 for
[snip]
>restart will not reset them...
>The above idea did not work. Autoshare sees the Icon files no matter what
>I did. The only thing that fixed it is deleting the files. :(
This is fixed in version 2.0, which will probably be out soon.
>BTW, are there any plans of making it so that Autoshare Admin "remembers"
>where Autoshare is? Everytime I quit and restart it, the Autoshare Admin
>always asks me to go find it again. When I do a computer restart, it does
>that _plus_ ask me to find Facespan. Just minor inconveniences that I hope
>there are quick do-able fixes for.
For me, I have to tell Admin where AutoShare is once per restart. I think
this problem might stem from the fact that the admin is basically a big
AppleScript program. It does not store the location of AutoShare anywhere,
apparently... and it is not self-modifying (I think), which is good. It is
an inconvenience, but now I find I rarely need to open the Admin program
anymore.
I only have to tell it where FaceSpan is if that extension is not in the
extensions folder. If you put it in the Extensions folder, it will stop
asking you to locate it (after you restart).
-Jonathan {;-)
<http://b62968.cwru.edu/>
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:48:48 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 2.0 released
Hello all
The major version 2.0 of AutoShare has been uploaded and is available from
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/>
The release date is on Sunday (thirty months to the day since version
1.0!), but I figured we might as well get the ball rolling today.
To make it easier, a completely revamped AutoShare 2.0 Documentation
replaces the old 1.0 Documentation and the 1.4.2 Addendum, the server and
Admin menus have been synchronized, and all of the Admin windows are
complete with balloon help.
The main feature in 2.0 is multiple preference sets, which comes in handy
with mail server multi-domains and allows you to run for instance multiple
list servers. You can even use it in a single-domain environment.
Also included is a filter process extender, which is your one chance to
apply some special processing to filtered message files before they get
deleted. Several samples of this are available in the release archive.
The scriptability of AutoShare is completely up-to-date, as are the script
samples. Both the Keep Applications Up and Send Mail features have found
their way into the Admin.
The 2.0 version furthermore includes a good number of bug fixes and minor
improvements, having been tested using both EIMS and SIMS.
Feel free to post any questions that you may have. Thanks.
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:35:17 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Help! - Wacky things happening in OS 8
At 09:01 -0800 1/12/1997, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>After restarting the computer, OS 8 recreates the Icon files; hence,
>recreates the problem. If you could come up with a fix for this, it
>would certainly make my life easier.
Is in 2.0.
>It would also be great to have some control over the sort and/or
>naming convention of the web archives so that their order makes
>some sort of sense.
Did manage to squeeze that in too.
See the Improvements and bug fixes section, Version 2.0, towards the end:
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/#bugs20>
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:54:57 +0000
From: Bill Bedford <billbpm at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Autoshare command question
Can someone explain why a message that starts
"Bill Bedford" wrote: '... I guess from your description
gives this error message?
Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
A list server command must be sent to the list server address
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:23:10 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare command question
>Can someone explain why a message that starts
>
>"Bill Bedford" wrote: '... I guess from your description
>
>gives this error message?
>
>Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
>A list server command must be sent to the list server address
What was the subject of the message?
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:31:48 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare command question
At 20:54 +0000 5/12/1997, Bill Bedford wrote:
>Can someone explain why a message that starts
>
>"Bill Bedford" wrote: '... I guess from your description
>
>gives this error message?
>
>Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
>A list server command must be sent to the list server address
I can't reproduce it. Not unless I put a file entitled '"Bill' in the
AutoShare folder inside the Documents folder.
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:59:20 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Autoshare command question
At 16:23 -0800 5/12/1997, Mark Hartman wrote:
>What was the subject of the message?
That would certain trigger it, if the first word is a command.
By default, AutoShare looks for commands as the first word in both the
subject and the first body line (with AutoShare configured as commands in
the body). You can configure it, so only the first body line is checked. Or
no check at all is performed. In the AutoShare 2.0 documentation, see
Moving on
Advanced features
Suppressing messages using filters
List server requests on lists
Online, see
<http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/documentation/#commandtolist>
(which reminds me that you may want to download the redarrow.GIF file from
the web page...)
The Suppress Command property in the AppleScript Misc Options translates
into the Suppress commands to list field in the More Miscellaneous window
of the Admin. The balloon help offers an instant description.
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 14:59:59 -0800
From: Camelot Administrator <camelot.admin at lmco dot com>
Subject: Re: Help! - Wacky things happening in OS 8
At 6:35 PM -0800 on 12/4/97, Mikael Hansen wrote:
> At 09:01 -0800 1/12/1997, Camelot Administrator wrote:
>
> >After restarting the computer, OS 8 recreates the Icon files; hence,
> >recreates the problem. If you could come up with a fix for this, it
> >would certainly make my life easier.
>
> Is in 2.0.
>
> >It would also be great to have some control over the sort and/or
> >naming convention of the web archives so that their order makes
> >some sort of sense.
>
> Did manage to squeeze that in too.
>
You're awesome! What else can I say? :-)
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