Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:37:59 +0100
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: AutoShare quitting accidentally
>At 13:26 +0100 20/3/1998, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>
>>AutoShare 2.1 PPC quits accidentally sometimes when I am trying to
>>configure it through AppleScript commands using Remote Admin CGI.
>
>Can you narrow down which AppleScript command causes this?
I am not sure, but most probably it happens inside the following function:
on checkPassword(thepass, listname)
if thepass = "" then return false
tell application "AutoShare"
if listname = "" then
set chkLst to GetList
else
if listname is not in (GetLists) then return false
set chkLst to GetList Options {List:listname}
end if
set rmtpass to Remote Password of chkLst
end tell
return (thepass = rmtpass)
end checkPassword
>Also, does your log indicate any reason why it happens?
No, it does not. But, I am going to add a special debug mode to the CGI,
which will log all actions in the AutoShare's logfile.
HOnza
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:15:00 +0100
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: AutoShare Remote Admin 1.0.2 available
The version 1.0.2 of AutoShare Remote Admin is now available from the
KPPM's FTP and Hotline server. It is an important bug fix for users of the
version 1.0.1.
Info WWW page is not yet available.
URLs:
ftp://ftp.appleklub.cz/pub/Internet/mail/AutoShare_RemoteAdmin_102.sit
hotline://hotline.appleklub.cz/pub/Internet/mail/AutoShare_RemoteAdmin_102.sit
The AutoShare Remote Admin 1.0.2 is a CGI that gives you full control over
the AutoShare 2.1 settings. Compatibility with the AutoShare 2.2 is planned
after final release of the AutoShare 2.2.
The nearest next release of AutoShare Remote Admin will have a special
"debug mode", in this mode all actions will be logged into the AutoShare
Log file.
HOnza
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:51:37 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: Too many mails per contribution
>BTW, Does anybody know, if the SIMS has the same handling of multiple
>recipients as EIMS 2.1?
SIMS handles multiple recipients better than EIMS 1.x. In some ways it is
also better than EIMS 2.1, but in some ways it is worse.
SIMS stores one copy of each outgoing message. In the file (which is plain
text, btw), it has a line for each recipient of the message. Each line is
encoded (still, in text format) so that SIMS can track whether the
particular recipient has received the message or not, and how many times it
has attempted to send it. This method of handling the outgoing messages of
large lists of recipients is a real plus, because it uses far less disk
space than any version of MailShare/AIMS/EIMS.
There is a caveat, though, in how it handles the recipients in RAM. It
stores every single address from every outgoing message in memory, which is
fine. However, it does not purge the addresses from memory until every
single recipient of a particular message has been delivered successfully,
or failed completely, or too many attempts to deliver were made (you set
the retry interval and number). This, plus the way SIMS stores the
addresses in RAM, causes it to halt the computer when an incoming message
to a lot of recipients (say 2000) comes in. It seems like the computer has
crashed, but it hasn't. It just isn't releasing the processor to other
tasks while it is accepting that incoming message. The "wait" time is much
higher when several multi-recipient messages are already in the queue when
a new one arrives.
If you have a dedicated machine to run AutoShare and SIMS on, then SIMS is
a great mail server. However, if you often send messages to LOTS of
recipients and you also need to be able to use the computer for other
things, like a web server, ftp server, homework assignments, etc... then it
can get annoying. I use BBEdit's grep function to periodically trim down
the queue files (I remove successfully sent addresses from them) to speed
things up a bit for any new arrivals of list postings. Of course, this
requires me to quit SIMS first, and relaunch it when BBEdit finishes.
Overall, I definitely prefer SIMS to EIMS 1.x. EIMS thrashes the hard drive
way too much... and it is very inefficient in handling list postings. EIMS
2.x is much better with the list postings, but it too causes the computer
to freeze for a while after postings.
-Jonathan {;-)
Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.
There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
things happen and those who wonder what happened.
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:12:45 -0500
From: Michael C Miller <mcmiller at rosemont dot edu>
Subject: archives
Hello,
I have set messages to roll at 20 messages and now have two message
archives and one current for a list I have created. When I do a search it
seems to only search the first archive it encounters (alphabetically) and
will not search the other achives. Is this the default behavior? I thought
it would search all archives for a given list.
Michael Miller
Date: 26 Mar 98 08:52:53 -0500
Subject: Archives
From: "Michael C Miller" <mcmiller at www.rosemont dot edu>
I sent a message yesterday explaining that the search command was not
searching all of my archives. I discovered that I had set my archives to
store both HTML and TEXT archives. The search would search both the archive
formats, but not all archives. I changed the settings to HTML only and did
a small test search and it seemed to work fine. If I only want to have web
based archives and am not encouraging the GET command what is the best
setting, HTML or TEXT?
Michael Miller
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:12:48 +0000
Subject: Re: Archives
From: "James Berriman" <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
>From: "Michael C Miller" <mcmiller at WWW.ROSEMONT dot EDU>
>I sent a message yesterday explaining that the search command was not
>searching all of my archives. I discovered that I had set my archives to
>store both HTML and TEXT archives. The search would search both the archive
>formats, but not all archives.
That's odd. Not come across that one before.
>I changed the settings to HTML only and did
>a small test search and it seemed to work fine. If I only want to have web
>based archives and am not encouraging the GET command what is the best
>setting, HTML or TEXT?
I believe that you need to have HTML archives turned on if you want to use
the web archive feature.
( :-]) James
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:00:50 -0400
From: Michael Reid <michael_reid at wow dot net>
Subject: Headers for Digests
Hi,
Sorry if I'm not reading the instructions, but is there a way to have a
header for your mailouts for only Digests? Let me know...
Thanks.
Michael Reid | Addr: 17 Sweet Briar Rd., P.O.S.
Internal Systems Admin. | Trinidad., West Indies.
WOW.Net Ltd. | Tel.: 1-868-622-6872
http://www.wow.net/ | Fax.: 1-868-622-6096
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:50:28 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 2.2fc1
Version 2.2fc1 has been uploaded to
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
Mostly an up-to-date version of the HTML documention.
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:01:33 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare Remote Admin 1.0.2 available
At 14:15 +0100 23/3/1998, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>Info WWW page is not yet available.
>
>URLs:
>
>ftp://ftp.appleklub.cz/pub/Internet/mail/AutoShare_RemoteAdmin_102.sit
>hotline://hotline.appleklub.cz/pub/Internet/mail/AutoShare_RemoteAdmin_102.sit
>
>The AutoShare Remote Admin 1.0.2 is a CGI that gives you full control over
>the AutoShare 2.1 settings. Compatibility with the AutoShare 2.2 is planned
>after final release of the AutoShare 2.2.
Excellent! The ftp URL has been added to the AutoShare 2.2 home page.
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:07:11 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Headers for Digests
At 08:00 -0400 29/3/1998, Michael Reid wrote:
>Sorry if I'm not reading the instructions, but is there a way to have a
>header for your mailouts for only Digests? Let me know...
Get 2.2fc1:
Headers and footers also appear at the beginning of and end of digests. The
"Header.<list>" and "Footer.<list>" files are used in digests, unless
"HeaderD.<list>" and "FooterD.<list>" files are present.
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:09:40 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Archives
At 18:12 +0000 26/3/1998, James Berriman wrote:
>>From: "Michael C Miller" <mcmiller at WWW.ROSEMONT dot EDU>
>>The search would search both the archive formats, but not all archives.
>
>That's odd. Not come across that one before.
Same here. The search applies to all .text and/or .html files depending on
the configured option.
>I believe that you need to have HTML archives turned on if you want to
>use the web archive feature.
HTML or BOTH for automated web archives (plus the folder path).
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:12:31 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: AutoShare quitting accidentally
At 12:37 +0100 23/3/1998, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>>Can you narrow down which AppleScript command causes this?
>
>I am not sure, but most probably it happens inside the following function:
> if thepass = "" then return false
AppleScript can be "funny" at times. It is probably of no value to you, but
I have experienced that
if str = "" then
doesn't always work while
if length of str = 0 then
always works. Go figure!
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:15:24 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Too many mails per contribution
At 12:11 +0100 23/3/1998, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>Would not it be better to make AutoShare adapted for SIMS at the first
>place [...]?
It's the other way around at this time. Waiting for Vlad :-)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:43:00 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 2.2fc2
Version 2.2fc2 has been uploaded to
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
If you haven't downloaded fc1, simply skip it and move straight to fc2,
which fixes a bug occasionally surfacing with MIME equal signs.
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:18:35 +0100
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: AutoShare quitting accidentally
>AppleScript can be "funny" at times. It is probably of no value to you, but
>I have experienced that
> if str = "" then
>doesn't always work while
> if length of str = 0 then
>always works. Go figure!
Thanks for advice, but this is not the reason. The compared string is
result of the ACME Parse Args with default value set to "", so if the
default value is returned, it is always equal to "". And, it always works
OK, if the blank password is used.
But thanks anyway.
HOnza
From: Jerry Thompson <jthompson at directhit dot com>
Subject: Automated Replies with Attachments
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:18:12 +0000
Greetings,
I need to setup an auto-reply acct on Autoshare. I remember at one point
there was a limit to how long a paragraph could be -- long paragraphs would
result in truncated text. Has this been fixed?
Also, what is the easiest way to send auto-replies with attachments?
Thanks
Jerry.
________________________________________________
Jerry Thompson jthompson at directhit dot com
MIS/Webmaster macguru at directhit dot com
NDPC/PP List Management
- "I have seen a glimpse of the future... It's name is Macintosh."
- "Off the keyboard, thru the router, over the bridge, nothing but net!"
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:24:29 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Automated Replies with Attachments
At 11:18 +0000 30/3/1998, Jerry Thompson wrote:
>I need to setup an auto-reply acct on Autoshare. I remember at one point
>there was a limit to how long a paragraph could be -- long paragraphs would
>result in truncated text. Has this been fixed?
Yes, a good while back. See also the Line Format field in the Admin after
Control-J (More Miscellaneous).
>Also, what is the easiest way to send auto-replies with attachments?
BinHex the attachment file, rename it to the auto-reply text file + ".hqx"
and put it in the same folder as the text file.
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:31:56 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 2.2fc3
Version 2.2fc3 has been uploaded to
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
At 04:43 -0800 30/3/1998, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>If you haven't downloaded fc1, simply skip it and move straight to fc2,
>which fixes a bug occasionally surfacing with MIME equal signs.
The fc2 didn't quite cut it. Hopefully this fc3 does.
Date: 30 Mar 98 13:57:10 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: AutoShare 2.2fc3
Well, I picked up 2.2fc2 this am, but now the server is refusing anonymous =
login from me. What gives Mikael??
=
Chuck Boody
=============
Mikael Hansen wrote:
>Version 2.2fc3 has been uploaded to
>
> <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/Beta/>
>
>At 04:43 -0800 30/3/1998, Mikael Hansen wrote:
>
>>If you haven't downloaded fc1, simply skip it and move straight to fc2,
>>which fixes a bug occasionally surfacing with MIME equal signs.
>
>The fc2 didn't quite cut it. Hopefully this fc3 does.
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:05:07 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: RE: AutoShare 2.2fc3
At 13:57 -0600 30/3/1998, Chuck Boody wrote:
>Well, I picked up 2.2fc2 this am, but now the server is refusing anonymous
>login from me. What gives Mikael??
I just tried anonymous login myself, and it was very slow. I called
support, but they couldn't confirm it. I then tried again, and it was fine.
From: Jerry Thompson <jthompson at directhit dot com>
Subject: Non-List footers / Feature Request
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:14:18 +0000
Greetings,
I know you can add footers to list-related documents, but can you add
footers to auto-response documents?
I'm setting up an article retriever for a web site we host. Basically, it
allows individuals to read articles online but be able to receive a copy
via email. So right now, you can send an email to: librarian at domain dot com
with the subject: ARTICLE_TITLE (or whatever it is) and you will get a
reply back with the full-text of the article. No problem. However, I want
to add appropiate footers and headers to each document without having to
put them in EACH and every document.
Feature request:
Ability to include files within automated reponse files. Perhaps this can
be a plugin.
So that we will have 2 files. One is called HEADER.txt and the other is
called Document. Document being the file we want to send back.
------[ contents of document ]------
/=include header.txt
/=subject Article Title
Article content goes here.
/=include footer.txt
------[ end contents of document ]------
------[ contents of header ]------
/=reply-to webmaster at domain dot com
This automated reply has been made possible by AutoShare.
------[ end contents of header ]------
------[ contents of footer ]------
Questions, comments or problems? Email: webmaster at domain dot com
------[ end contents of footer ]------
Any thoughts on the best ways to make this work now?
Thanks.
Jerry.
________________________________________________
Jerry Thompson jthompson at directhit dot com
MIS/Webmaster macguru at directhit dot com
NDPC/PP List Management
- "I have seen a glimpse of the future... It's name is Macintosh."
- "Off the keyboard, thru the router, over the bridge, nothing but net!"
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:00:55 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: AutoShare 2.2 released
Well folks, the beta time is over.
AutoShare 2.2 has been uploaded and is available from
<ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/>
and
<http://www.dcl.co.uk/MacOS/email/autoshare/>
The updated web pages have been uploaded as well.
The formal release date is tomorrow (April Fools Day).
Time to take a breather...
--
Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:12:47 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Non-List footers / Feature Request
At 17:14 +0000 31/3/1998, Jerry Thompson wrote:
>However, I want to add appropiate footers and headers to each document
>without having to put them in EACH and every document.
>/=include header.txt
>/=include footer.txt
I like this. Good suggestion.
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:27:17 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: AutoShare 2.2 released
...
>AutoShare 2.2 has been uploaded and is available from
...
Thanks for all the past and continuing support and great software you've
provided us with, Mikael! Someday, I hope to program as well and quickly as
you (while maintaining a separate full time job as you must do!)
...
>The formal release date is tomorrow (April Fools Day).
Hopefully, everyone will download it today, then! :)
...
>Time to take a breather...
Well deserved.
-Jonathan {;-)
Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.
There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
things happen and those who wonder what happened.
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 01:54:37 +0100
Subject: Re: AutoShare 2.2 released
From: "James Berriman" <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Mikael wrote:
>>The formal release date is tomorrow (April Fools Day).
and Jonathan quipped:
>Hopefully, everyone will download it today, then! :)
Ah, but as far as the list is concerned you're both living in the past.
>===== digest AutoShare-Talk, Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:02:28 =====
It's already April 1st and I've just received my first spoof email
announcement (not on this list, I hasten to add!).
( :-]) James
Date: 01 Apr 98 15:21:31 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Getting Autoshare 2.2
I did three downloads from the uk site. All three had errors when =
attempting to un-binhex them. Someone might want to check the accuracy of =
the file. I'm getting it from dani.com now..... Slow but sure!
Chuck Boody
Programmer/Analyst
ISD 270
=============
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:36:20 -0500
From: "Michael J. Vinca" <mjv2411 at ritvax.isc.rit dot edu>
Subject: Still can't do it
I have added returns to the end of my text files. The last person to
subscribe to my lists is still not getting mail. We will have MacOS 8.1
installed soon, maybe that will help. Any other ideas?
>I have noticed in my lists that the last person who subscribes doesn't get
put
>into the mailing list until another person subscribes (he appears in the
main
>list but not the .m list) When the other person subscribes, the old person
>starts getting mail through .m while the new person gets no mail until the
next
>person subscribes and the vicious cycle continues.
>
>Anyone seen anything like this?
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:38:04 -0800
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Still can't do it
At 18:36 -0500 1/4/1998, Michael J. Vinca wrote:
>I have added returns to the end of my text files. The last person to
>subscribe to my lists is still not getting mail.
Chances are that you have been editing the main list file manually.
AutoShare expects each subscriber entry line to be terminated the Mac way,
which is with a CR (decimal 13, hex 0D). You may also want to see if the
file ends with a blank line (terminated or non-terminated).
Looking at the file with a hex editor usually tells the story right away.
If you're getting nowhere, send me a StuffIt'ed copy of the file, and I'll
look into it.
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:17:49 -0500
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Prevent Disaster for DST
Daylight savings time begins just around the corner for many AutoShare
users. If you are using AutoShare with SIMS and also have either installed
on an HFS+ (aka Sequoia, Mac OS Extended Format) partition, then be
careful. Your aliases may forget who they point to when your clock is
adjusted. This is not a fault of SIMS or AutoShare, by the way.
This is because HFS+ stores GMT times for creation and modification dates
on files. It uses the time zone offset (set through the Date & Time control
panel) to show you, and other programs such as the Finder, the "actual"
dates on files. When your clock is adjusted, the actual date shown also
changes. Aliases that don't find a correct target because a file has been
moved or renamed will be lost. Actually, I'm just suspecting that files
moved or renamed since an alias was last used (double clicked or referenced
by a program) will be affected. In reality, maybe it affects other files,
too, but I don't know all the technicalities. For further details you can
check Apple's TIL, as they have posted a question/answer pair about this.
They say it is a "feature" of HFS+. :)
Anyway, you may wish to "use" all your aliases just before and just after
the time switch. "Usage" can be revealing the item an alias points to
(command-r) or double clicking it. You can use Find File to "Locate files
on all disks whose kind is label" and then check all those aliases as
above. Or, you can use a utility that runs through your disks and does all
this for you. I recommend Alias Dragon because it's free and was designed
for this purpose. Actually, it was designed for the same problem occuring
from rebuilding your desktop... but rebuilding your desktop and changing
the clock have the exact same effect on HFS+ disks.
<ftp://b62968.cwru.edu/Alias_Dragon.sit.hqx>
If you are running OS 8.1 but are NOT using HFS+ partitions for AutoShare
or SIMS, then you don't need to worry about the clock change. You should
still worry about desktop rebuilds for any type of mac volume, so the above
utility would still be handy to keep in your arsenal.
-Jonathan {;-)
Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.
There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
things happen and those who wonder what happened.
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 23:04:36 +0100
Subject: Re: Getting Autoshare 2.2
From: "James Berriman" <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
>I did three downloads from the uk site. All three had errors when
attempting to un-binhex them. Someone might want to check the accuracy of
the file. I'm getting it from dani.com now..... Slow but sure!
The file is fine (I downloaded it this afternoon). It's a straight MacBinary
(sit.bin), so you wouldn't have any luck trying to un-binhex it!
( :-]) James
Date: 02 Apr 98 16:38:28 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Getting Autoshare 2.2
Sorry, my error is describing things. Macbinary should be converted =
automatically by Stuffit Expander. It was not. I did not do an ftp and =
then "fix" the macbinary by hand. I did have the problem, and perhaps the =
problem is still mine. I'm just glad things are correct.
And, Thank you again Mikael for a wonderful and always improving product. =
What can we do to show our appreciation? (I can't afford the new Porsche =
though...)
Chuck Boody
Programmer/Analyst
ISD 270
=============
James Berriman wrote:
>>I did three downloads from the uk site. All three had errors when
>attempting to un-binhex them. Someone might want to check the accuracy =
of
>the file. I'm getting it from dani.com now..... Slow but sure!
>
>The file is fine (I downloaded it this afternoon). It's a straight =
MacBinary
>(sit.bin), so you wouldn't have any luck trying to un-binhex it!
>
>( :-]) James
>
>** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
>** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:57:48 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Prevent Disaster for DST
>If you are using AutoShare with SIMS and also have either installed
>on an HFS+ (aka Sequoia, Mac OS Extended Format) partition, then be
>careful. Your aliases may forget who they point to when your clock is
>adjusted. This is not a fault of SIMS or AutoShare, by the way.
Oh, now I understand, why my Eudora said that every mailbox was changed
since last table of contents was built, and also why SpeedDoubler's Smart
replace copied the whole stuff instead of only changed files.
Thanks for this info!
HOnza
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:31:29 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Am I still in the list?
I get no contributions. Am I still in the list?
HOnza
Date: 07 Apr 98 10:00:28 -0500
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: Am I still in the list?
Yes.
Chuck Boody
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Jan Koudelka wrote:
>I get no contributions. Am I still in the list?
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>HOnza
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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:56:56 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Request addresses
Are list server request specific addresses such as list-on at domain dot com
(subscribe) and list-off at domain dot com (unsubscribe) likely to make your life
easier? While this approach cannot be described as an automated one per se,
the syntax is certainly briefer and as such may be of some help to you.
The following two list server request URLs
<mailto:list-on at domain dot com>
and
<mailto:autoshare at domain dot com?body=subscribe%20list%20name>
would then accomplish the same thing.
Let me know what you think.
Date: 07 Apr 98 15:53:02 -0500
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: RE: Request addresses
I think this could be useful. It is probably not the way lots of =
listservs work, but it is much clearer for the novice seems to me. Since =
I almost exclusively use a web based signup it is a feature I think makes =
sense, but probably not an important one to my particular situation.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
=============
Mikael Hansen wrote:
>Are list server request specific addresses such as list-on at domain dot com
>(subscribe) and list-off at domain dot com (unsubscribe) likely to make your =
life
>easier? While this approach cannot be described as an automated one per =
se,
>the syntax is certainly briefer and as such may be of some help to you.
>
>The following two list server request URLs
> <mailto:list-on at domain dot com>
>and
> <mailto:autoshare at domain dot com?body=subscribe%20list%20name>
>would then accomplish the same thing.
>
>Let me know what you think.
>
>** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
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>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:28:16 -0400
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: Request addresses
>Are list server request specific addresses such as list-on at domain dot com
>(subscribe) and list-off at domain dot com (unsubscribe) likely to make your life
>easier? While this approach cannot be described as an automated one per se,
>the syntax is certainly briefer and as such may be of some help to you.
>
>The following two list server request URLs
> <mailto:list-on at domain dot com>
>and
> <mailto:autoshare at domain dot com?body=subscribe%20list%20name>
>would then accomplish the same thing.
>
>Let me know what you think.
>
>** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
>** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
I think this addition would be useful. What might prove even more useful
would be a simple way to request list options using the To: field.
For example, to allow users to change their subscription status to digest
mode for two different lists I run, they send an e-mail to
humor-contrib at b62968.cwru dot edu. Then, an AppleScript picks up the mail and
uses AutoShare to turn it into an e-mail with the digest requests in it,
directed to itself. This works, but it's a bit clumsy and the
AppleScript<->AutoShare connection goes very, very slowly. In fact, it has
often timed out. I've now set the timeout to somewhere in the 5-10 minute
range which has helped immensely.
If AutoShare allowed a message to humor-digest be the equivalent of "set
humor digest" that would be pretty cool.
On the negative side, it requires setting up additional accounts in the
mail server, adding greatly to the confusion of setting up AutoShare,
especially with SIMS! Also, users need to be told many more addresses to
fully express the list options to them. They are confused knowing just 2
addresses right now. :)
-Jonathan {;-)
Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.
There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
things happen and those who wonder what happened.
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 03:09:26 +0100
Subject: Re: Request addresses
From: "James Berriman" <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
>On the negative side, it requires setting up additional accounts in the
>mail server, adding greatly to the confusion of setting up AutoShare,
>especially with SIMS!
Not necessarily. I have a cunning plan... ;-)
( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 03:13:23 +0100
Subject: Re: Request addresses
From: "James Berriman" <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Mikael wrote:
>Let me know what you think.
I think it's a brilliant idea! A pat on the back to whoever suggested it!
( :-]) James
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:32:54 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Request addresses
At 03:13 +0100 8/4/1998, James Berriman wrote:
>I think it's a brilliant idea! A pat on the back to whoever suggested it!
Between the two of us, it wasn't me :-)
At 19:28 -0400 7/4/1998, Jonathan Shaw wrote:
>If AutoShare allowed a message to humor-digest be the equivalent of "set
>humor digest" that would be pretty cool.
<mailto:list-digest at domain dot com>
and
<mailto:list-nodigest at domain dot com>
would appear fine.
>On the negative side, it requires setting up additional accounts in the
>mail server, adding greatly to the confusion of setting up AutoShare,
>especially with SIMS!
At 03:09 +0100 8/4/1998, James Berriman wrote:
>Not necessarily. I have a cunning plan... ;-)
Indeed it is! I'll leave the story-telling of it up to you.
>Also, users need to be told many more addresses to fully express the list
>options to them. They are confused knowing just 2 addresses right now. :)
That's just it. It may start to backfire once you take it too far.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:25:35 +0100
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Request addresses
Mikael wrote:
>At 03:09 +0100 8/4/1998, James Berriman wrote:
>
>>Not necessarily. I have a cunning plan... ;-)
>
>Indeed it is! I'll leave the story-telling of it up to you.
The key is to set up your mail server to forward all mail for unknown
addresses to AutoShare.
AutoShare then processes addresses it recognises, and performs some other
action on addresses it doesn't know.
Options that spring to mind:
1. Forwarding (to Postmaster/Domain/nominated address).
2. Filtering (delete message).
3. Bounce message.
You can now test autoshare-on/off and autoshare-digest/nodigest addresses
on this server.
( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:34:35 +0100
From: James Berriman <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
Subject: Re: Request addresses
At 12:25 +0100 8/4/1998, James Berriman wrote:
>You can now test autoshare-on/off and autoshare-digest/nodigest addresses
>on this server.
Perhaps I should have made that clearer:
You can try <list>-on, <list>-off, <list>-digest and <list>-nodigest addresses.
( :-]) James
Date: 08 Apr 98 07:48:04 -0500
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: FWD: Unresolved bounce
Mikael,
Shouldn't the bounce in Autoshare have unsubscribed the person below??
Chuck Boody
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:31:34 +0200
From: Jan Koudelka <koudelka at appleklub dot cz>
Subject: Re: Request addresses
>The following two list server request URLs
> <mailto:list-on at domain dot com>
>and
> <mailto:autoshare at domain dot com?body=subscribe%20list%20name>
>would then accomplish the same thing.
>
>Let me know what you think.
I think it would be great. Especially if it would extract sender's real
name from the RFC From: field...
But, I would also like to have the following two URLs doing the same thing:
<mailto:list-request at domain dot com?body=subscribe>
and
<mailto:autoshare at domain dot com?body=subscribe%20list%20name>
And (if it is not already in AS 2.2), it would be also useful to be able to
turn on both the subject and body commands.
HOnza
P.S. And what about accepting commands sent to the list's address? ;-)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:00:26 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Request addresses
At 12:25 +0100 8/4/1998, James Berriman wrote:
>The key is to set up your mail server to forward all mail for unknown
>addresses to AutoShare.
More specifically to the Filed Mail folder.
>AutoShare then processes addresses it recognises, and performs some other
>action on addresses it doesn't know.
AutoShare will initially perform all special cases, and when it then is
about to process the standard stuff, a check will be done: if the recipient
address is not a list (based on a file in the List Server folder) or an
auto-response (based on a subfolder in the Documents folder), then the
address is invalid (and subsequently forwarded to the postmaster (may be
configurable later).
On a mail server supporting the "unknown user" account, it means that all
AutoShare related mail accounts configured for the Filed Mail folder need
not be created at all, if the one "unknown user" account is. This is a
reduction in account creations, to some a major reduction.
>You can now test autoshare-on/off and autoshare-digest/nodigest addresses
>on this server.
Btw, <list>-sub and <list>-unsub work like <list>-on and <list>-off.
Date: 08 Apr 98 15:54:24 -0500
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Request addresses
One question and one thought:
The question. What belongs in the subfolder and what is the name of the =
subfolder. I assume a folder named "listname-on" would contain a file =
named ?? with the appropriate response to the sender and the token to =
turn on digest (or whatever). But It could be the case that the folder is =
named "listname" and the file within it would be named "on" which is the =
case??
The thought: I'd like to have all mail that did not meet the criteria =
returned to the sender, not sent to the postmaster (I've got enough to do =
thanks!). Couldn't all mail that doesn't meet the criteria just be sent =
the "default" message (or better yet a different standard message) which =
we could then configure to send back the original message with whatever =
comments we wanted in it? Lack of this particular "default no such person =
or thing" message could automatically send the message to the postmaster. =
I think the answer is this is the way it works, since that is how I =
currently handle incoming "anyuser" messages...I just don't do it through =
your new mechanism.
Great Stuff here! I'll look forward to the answers (which should make my =
life even easier...)
Chuck Boody
Programmer/Analyst
ISD 270
=============
Mikael Hansen wrote:
>At 12:25 +0100 8/4/1998, James Berriman wrote:
>
>>The key is to set up your mail server to forward all mail for unknown
>>addresses to AutoShare.
>
>More specifically to the Filed Mail folder.
>
>>AutoShare then processes addresses it recognises, and performs some =
other
>>action on addresses it doesn't know.
>
>AutoShare will initially perform all special cases, and when it then is
>about to process the standard stuff, a check will be done: if the =
recipient
>address is not a list (based on a file in the List Server folder) or an
>auto-response (based on a subfolder in the Documents folder), then the
>address is invalid (and subsequently forwarded to the postmaster (may be
>configurable later).
>
>On a mail server supporting the "unknown user" account, it means that all
>AutoShare related mail accounts configured for the Filed Mail folder need
>not be created at all, if the one "unknown user" account is. This is a
>reduction in account creations, to some a major reduction.
>
>>You can now test autoshare-on/off and autoshare-digest/nodigest =
addresses
>>on this server.
>
>Btw, <list>-sub and <list>-unsub work like <list>-on and <list>-off.
>
>** The AutoShare-Talk archives are at:
>** <http://frutiger.staffs.ac.uk/autoshare/archives/AutoShare-Talk/>
>
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>From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
>Subject: Re: Request addresses
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:20:56 -0400
From: Jonathan Shaw <jls4 at cwru dot edu>
Subject: Re: Request addresses
>One question and one thought:
>
>The question. What belongs in the subfolder and what is the name of the
>subfolder. I assume a folder named "listname-on" would contain a file
>named ?? with the appropriate response to the sender and the token to
>turn on digest (or whatever). But It could be the case that the folder is
>named "listname" and the file within it would be named "on" which is the
>case??
So far as I know, you setup everything in AutoShare the same way as before.
It's just that <listname>-on (for example) works as an alias to sending
autoshare a message with subscribe <listname>.
>The thought: I'd like to have all mail that did not meet the criteria
>returned to the sender, not sent to the postmaster (I've got enough to do
>thanks!). Couldn't all mail that doesn't meet the criteria just be sent
>the "default" message (or better yet a different standard message) which
>we could then configure to send back the original message with whatever
>comments we wanted in it? Lack of this particular "default no such person
>or thing" message could automatically send the message to the postmaster.
>I think the answer is this is the way it works, since that is how I
>currently handle incoming "anyuser" messages...I just don't do it through
>your new mechanism.
I think either Mikael or James was hinting that there might make a
preference to what happens to mail that really was misdirected. If it is
setup to bounce back to the user (in a way like mail servers themselves
do), then I think this would be what you want. However, before this
preference becomes available, or if you prefer to use the bounce handling
in your mail server itself, then you can just use the long route of setting
up an account for each address that should _not_ bounce.
In other words, you can create accounts for autoshare, each list, each list
option for each list, etc. instead of just creating the unknown account
that forwards to the mail back folder (or the filed mail folder, depending
on your preference).
>Great Stuff here! I'll look forward to the answers (which should make my
>life even easier...)
I'm really happy with AutoShare, too!
-Jonathan {;-)
Visit <http://b62968.cwru.edu/> for a good laugh.
There are 3 kinds of people: Those who make things happen, those who watch
things happen and those who wonder what happened.
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 22:45:06 +0100
Subject: Re: Request addresses
From: "James Berriman" <J.R.Berriman at staffs.ac dot uk>
>One question and one thought:
>
>The question. What belongs in the subfolder and what is the name of the
subfolder. I assume a folder named "listname-on" would contain a file named
?? with the appropriate response to the sender and the token to turn on
digest (or whatever). But It could be the case that the folder is named
"listname" and the file within it would be named "on" which is the case??
Neither. No new folders are required. Mikael was referring to the way that
AutoShare currently identifies lists and autoresponders.
If there's a "fun-l" doc in your list server folder, the "fun-l-on@host"
address will work. Otherwise, the message is forwarded to the postmaster.
If there's a "foobar" folder in your documents folder, a message to
"foobar@host" will return the appropriate autoresponse document. Otherwise,
the message is forwarded to the postmaster.
The only thing you will have to do to enable this feature is set up your
mail server to save messages for unknown accounts in the filed mail folder.
(Or send to the AutoShare address, which amounts to the same thing with
EIMS).
Actually, EIMS 2 doesn't have a 'save as files' option for unknown
addresses. In this case you have to use the 'send to address' option.
( :-]) James
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:56:00 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Request addresses
At 15:31 +0200 8/4/1998, Jan Koudelka wrote:
>I think it would be great. Especially if it would extract sender's real
>name from the RFC From: field...
It will. The following two URLs do the same thing:
<mailto:list-on at domain dot com>
and
<mailto:autoshare at domain dot com?body=subscribe%20list%20name>
I just thought of this as well:
<mailto:autoshare at domain dot com?body=subscribe%20list>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:20:47 -0700
From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com>
Subject: Re: Request addresses
At 17:20 -0400 8/4/1998, Jonathan Shaw wrote:
>So far as I know, you setup everything in AutoShare the same way as before.
>It's just that <listname>-on (for example) works as an alias to sending
>autoshare a message with subscribe <listname>.
Exactly. AutoShare translates the briefer syntax into the standard syntax,
which is really all that's to it.
At 22:45 +0100 8/4/1998, James Berriman wrote:
>Actually, EIMS 2 doesn't have a 'save as files' option for unknown
>addresses. In this case you have to use the 'send to address' option.
What about SIMS btw? I haven't checked.
At 17:20 -0400 8/4/1998, Jonathan Shaw wrote:
>I think either Mikael or James was hinting that there might make a
>preference to what happens to mail that really was misdirected.
At 22:45 +0100 8/4/1998, James Berriman wrote:
>Otherwise, the message is forwarded to the postmaster.
Yes, it might become configurable.
At 15:54 -0500 8/4/1998, Chuck Boody wrote:
>Great Stuff here!
At 17:20 -0400 8/4/1998, Jonathan Shaw wrote:
>I'm really happy with AutoShare, too!
Thanks :-)
PS: Chuck, I'll get back to you on your unresolved bounce. It's just that
(apart from James's pair of thoughts) I am on vacation away from AutoShare.
Can't you tell? :-)