The worldmail list archive ending on 31 Oct 1999
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. Re: re "list is hard to find"
"Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:24:29 -0500
2. RE: advertise
Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:40:03 -0700
3. Re: SMTP Message Relay
squeezix at ithaca dot com (Garry W)
Tue, 05 Oct 1999 23:54:25 GMT
4. RE: re "list is hard to find"
Randall Gellens <rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com>
Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:39:59 -0700
5. RE: re "list is hard to find"
Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:33:46 -0700
6. Re: Eudora Attachment
Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Thu, 07 Oct 1999 00:02:11 -0700
7. Re: How can I make Worldmail return an error message?
Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Thu, 07 Oct 1999 00:10:08 -0700
8. Re: Eudora Attachment
Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:45:09 -0700
9. imsd.exe?
"Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Thu, 07 Oct 1999 17:41:37 -0400
10. Re: imsd.exe?
Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:03:10 -0700
11. Re: imsd.exe?
squeezix at ithaca dot com (Garry Wiegand)
Fri, 08 Oct 1999 05:17:59 GMT
12. Re: imsd.exe?
Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Thu, 07 Oct 1999 23:41:34 -0700
13. Log Files
"Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:55:44 -0500
14. Re: imsd.exe?
Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:13:15 -0700
15. Re: Eudora Attachment
Suhad AL-Khaldi <suhad at alshaya dot com>
Sat, 09 Oct 1999 08:54:30 +0300
16. Re: Log Files
Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:52:47 -0700
17. mailbox.dat
"Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Sat, 09 Oct 1999 19:58:46 -0400
18. Re: imsd.exe?
squeezix at ithaca dot com (Garry Wiegand)
Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:13:51 GMT
19. Re: mailbox.dat
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:59:56 +0100
20. Re: mailbox.dat
Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:41:10 -0700
21. Re: mailbox.dat
"Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:00:40 -0400
22. Re: mailbox.dat
"Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:11:56 -0400
23. Re: mailbox.dat
Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:12:08 -0700
24. Re: imsd.exe?
squeezix at ithaca dot com (Garry Wiegand)
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:03:23 GMT
25. Domain Aliases
"Rob Merkwitza" <rob at octa4.net dot au>
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:48:49 +1000
26. Re: mailbox.dat
"Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:43:02 -0400
27. Re: Eudora Attachment
Randall Gellens <rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com>
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:58:48 -0700
28. Re: Log Files
Randall Gellens <rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com>
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:43:40 -0700
29. Re: imsd.exe?
Randall Gellens <rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com>
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:46:20 -0700
30. Re: imsd.exe?
Randall Gellens <rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com>
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:01:12 -0700
31. Re: imsd.exe?
"Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:27:21 -0500
32. Kansas City area WorldMail user?
Andrew Starr <atstarr at negia dot net>
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:43:19 -0500
33. Re: Domain Aliases
Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:50:25 -0700
34. Re: mailbox.dat - EUREKA!
"Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:09:32 -0400
35. Secure sending
squeezix at ithaca dot com (Garry Wiegand)
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:15:09 GMT
36. RE: Secure sending
"Mike Hahn" <hahnmt at zender dot com>
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:58:10 -0400
37. RE: Secure sending
"Gary Hunter" <ghunter at ibm dot net>
Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:33:54 +1000
38. Re: Secure sending
gnews10 at ithaca dot com (Garry Wiegand)
Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:34:10 GMT
39. Re: Secure sending
squeezix at ithaca dot com (Garry Wiegand)
Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:34:29 GMT
40. newbie
"Robert Sfeir" <robert at promptu dot com>
Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:06:01 -0700
41. Re: newbie
"Lee Nicholls" <LeeN at advancedgroup.co dot uk>
Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:36:58 +0100
42. How can I create distribution lists
Slava <vtsytsikov at admin.seu dot edu>
Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:27:19 -0400
43. Re: How can I create distribution lists
Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:47:59 -0700
44. Re: How can I create distribution lists
Suhad AL-Khaldi <suhad at alshaya dot com>
Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:41:47 +0300
45. Re: How can I create distribution lists
Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:05:26 -0700
46. RE: How can I create distribution lists
Slava <vtsytsikov at admin.seu dot edu>
Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:35:44 -0400
47. Re: newbie
William Hultman <whultman at home dot com>
Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:56:07 -0700
48. Re: How can I create distribution lists
Suhad Al-Khaldi <suhad at alshaya dot com>
Sat, 30 Oct 1999 07:45:28 +0300
49. Setting up alternate email server?
"Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:58:01 -0500
50. Re: Setting up alternate email server?
Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:32:21 -0800
From: "Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Subject: Re: re "list is hard to find"
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:24:29 -0500
> It may be a good idea to advertise the mailing list in one of the eudora
or
> worldmail newsgroups. It would be nice to draw in some of the support
that
> exists in those channels.
Is there a WorldMail newsgroup? I am only aware of the eudora groups.
Thanks!
Greg Hickel
ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com
From: Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Subject: RE: advertise
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:40:03 -0700
I can post on the following, unless this community
(worldmail at lists.pensive dot org) has problems with it.
comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
comp.mail.misc
comp.mail.list-admin.software
As far as I can see, there is no worldmail newsgroup.
Andrew Starr of the unofficial Eudora site has e-mailed me and said he would
be changing the URL in his home page (53,000 hits) to this list so that it
is more obvious.
I had mentioned in a newsgroup that Andrew's URL was out of date, because I
wanted to find out about this mailing list, and instead ended up in the
qualcomm worldmail page. I was wrong, what was happening is that the two
links were right next to each other and appeared as one.
Again, as far as I could see, (and I am reputed to still be in control of my
mental faculties) there are no links directly from Qualcomm's pages to this
list. There are some that take you back to Andrew's site, but then I would
make the same mistake and end up back at Qualcomm's.... Anyway, hopefully
that is changing so maybe the world is a bit safer from microsoft tonight
;)
At 10:58 AM 10/5/1999 -0400, Mike Hahn wrote:
>It may be a good idea to advertise the mailing list in one of the eudora or
>worldmail newsgroups. It would be nice to draw in some of the support that
>exists in those channels.
>
>Who is the Administrator/Moderator of this mailing list?
>
>Mike Hahn
>
From: squeezix at ithaca dot com (Garry W)
Subject: Re: SMTP Message Relay
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 23:54:25 GMT
Lee Nicholls wrote:
>Is there any way of blocking these spammers whilst keeping alias access.
I haven't been able to find any way, either, of blocking improper SMTP =
use
while allowing authentic use. I admit I don't understand your reference =
to
alias usage: as far as I understand Worldmail, SMTP can be restricted =
only by
IP number, doesn't matter much what the message headers say. And that IP
restriction mechanism is, of course, just too weak to do any good in a =
world
of dynamic dial-up IP's.
In previous threads here I asked about SMTP authentication protocol and =
about
the POP "XTND XMIT" protocol alternatives. The answer was that Worldmail
supports neither.
So I have started looking for new mail server software. So far, at the =
low
end (home usage for me) it's being hard to find anything that does it
"right".
If anyone does hear of any interesting products, please let the list =
know.
Garry
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:39:59 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com>
Subject: RE: re "list is hard to find"
At 10:58 AM -0400 10/5/99, Mike Hahn wrote:
>Who is the Administrator/Moderator of this mailing list?
This list is administered by Pensive.Org
<listmaster at lists.pensive dot org>, which runs a small number of other
mailing lists (including the unofficial Qpopper mailing list). This
list is an unofficial list for WorldMail.
--
Randall Gellens
rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com
Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
From: Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Subject: RE: re "list is hard to find"
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:33:46 -0700
>At 10:58 AM -0400 10/5/99, Mike Hahn wrote:
>
>>Who is the Administrator/Moderator of this mailing list?
>
>This list is administered by Pensive.Org
>Randall Gellens
If the list master is listening, I am curious to know how this list
was started, and a bit about pensive.org. Also, does the list
server accept common list commands such as HELP, WHO, etc.
I have now 'advertised'n this list in 4 or 5 comp.mail newsgroups,
should be a bit easier to find for anyone using that tool. The
URL at Mr. Starr's eudora page will be more prominent,
and perhaps Mr. Gellens could comment on whether Qualcomm might be
placing an URL on their web. (I am assuming Randall works for
Qualcomm, based on his ldap info "rg=public.1@worldmail1.qualcomm dot com" )
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 00:02:11 -0700
From: Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Subject: Re: Eudora Attachment
I don't you can do anything in the server. The mail server does not
parse the messages, nor it determines what the mime body structures are
inside those messages. Unfortunately, almost every mail client generates
messages slightly different from each other, so that's why you see
different behavior in your Eudora client.
Henry
Suhad AL-Khaldi wrote:
>
> Hi All;
>
> I have some users complain from the attachment how its display in their
> Eudora Pro 3.0.2 some users they get it as URL address example"
> c:\attach\xo.bmp" , and some users get it as an Icon which represent the
> type of the file.....how can I standardize this and make the attachment
> always display as Icon in Eudora Pro 3.0.2 or can i do it in the World mail
> server 2.0......looking for some nice ideas
>
> till that everybody wishing happy nice day
>
> suhad
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 00:10:08 -0700
From: Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Subject: Re: How can I make Worldmail return an error message?
The mail server only automatically generates a non-delivery status
notification internally when it encounters an invalid mail address.
However, in your case, since you have configured to deliver all the
undeliverable messages to the postmaster, the automatic generation of
DSNs is no longer possible. Which means in your case you must yourself
generate the DSN and submit it to the mail server. The format of a DSN
is pretty simple and well documented, so I think you should be able to
write a simple perl script that generates the proper DSN and submits to
the smtp server.
Henry
Gary Hunter wrote:
>
> I have a variation on a previously asked question.
> In my case, I have deliberetly configured to have all undeliverable messages
> sent to postmaster as we are a small site and I wish to be able to manually
> forward misspelled addressee mail. However, in cases where the message is
> not intended for our users, I would like to be able to return it to sender
> with a manualy forced, RFC compliant reject message as these mesage often
> result in the usr name being deleted from automated mailing lists etc.
> Can anyone tell me how to do this?
> Gary Hunter
From: Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Subject: Re: Eudora Attachment
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:45:09 -0700
>
>At 12:02 AM 10/7/1999 -0700, someone wrote:
>>I don't you can do anything in the server. The mail server does not
>>parse the messages,
I agree, mail servers do not and should not get involved in this.
This is an application layer and presentation layer problem,
and it is the mail clients (Eudora 3.x in your case) that have to figure
it out.
At least in your case all you worry about is either an icon or an url.
In my case, I'm working with clients that have Outlook 98, Outlook Express,
Eudora Light, Eudora Pro, Eudora Pro/French edition, etc....
It is a royal pain because one person will receive attachment as part
of their document, another as an url, another will see html code written
all over their screen....
Why in your case they sometimes appear as icons and sometimes as url is
a mystery, however. If application is same version, same defaults, etc.
then it must be something different at the operating system level. What
files get converted to icons? (.bmp, .doc, .pdf) Because maybe some
people don't have those file-types associated to any application on their
machine, and that is why they don't see icons.
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 17:41:37 -0400
From: "Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Subject: imsd.exe?
Hi.
I was having intermittent problems with my mail server. SMTPD.exe was
taking up 100% of the cpu for hours, but a new problem just popped up.. Now
ISMD.EXE is taking up all of the cpu.
Is ISMD.EXE part of worldmail server? If not, anyone have any idea what it is?
Al Musella
Musella Foundation
From: Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Subject: Re: imsd.exe?
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:03:10 -0700
At 05:41 PM 10/7/1999 -0400, you wrote:
> Hi.
> I was having intermittent problems with my mail server. SMTPD.exe was
>taking up 100% of the cpu for hours, but a new problem just popped up.. Now
>ISMD.EXE is taking up all of the cpu.
>Is ISMD.EXE part of worldmail server? If not, anyone have any idea what it is?
>Al Musella
>Musella Foundation
Yes, SMTPD.exe on my system is 430 KiloBytes, dated 11/12/97
It definitely is part of Worldmail, If you do a find you will see that it
is in the SMTP sub-drectory of your WorldMail root.
I tried doing a "find" for ismd.exe on my NT Server, and did not find it, so
it must NOT be part of WorldMail Server 2.0.
-Ric
>
>
From: squeezix at ithaca dot com (Garry Wiegand)
Subject: Re: imsd.exe?
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 05:17:59 GMT
Ric wrote:
>I tried doing a "find" for ismd.exe on my NT Server, and did not find =
it, so
>it must NOT be part of WorldMail Server 2.0.
I'm running WM Server 2.0 (on NT workstation), and I do have IMSD. =
Perhaps
you looked in the wrong place?
IMSD.EXE appears to be the "Eudora Worldmail Message Store" system =
service.
The Message Store service, in turn, appears to be Worldmail's POP server.=
Why
they couldn't just say that, or what "IMS" might stand for, I don't know.
Anyhow, if IMSD is taking up 100% of CPU I would, for a start, look at =
the
IMS log and see who had a POP connection open at the time. Perhaps there =
was
some sort of thrashing going on.
Garry
PS - I just downloaded tryouts for... 23 shareware mail servers. I'll let=
you
know if any of them solve our SMTP authentication problem.
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 23:41:34 -0700
From: Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Subject: Re: imsd.exe?
Yes it is. SMTPD is the mail server which only handles mail delivery,
while IMSD is the message store server that handles your pop3 and imap4
connections.
Henry
"Al Musella, DPM" wrote:
>
> Hi.
> I was having intermittent problems with my mail server. SMTPD.exe was
> taking up 100% of the cpu for hours, but a new problem just popped up.. Now
> ISMD.EXE is taking up all of the cpu.
> Is ISMD.EXE part of worldmail server? If not, anyone have any idea what it is?
> Al Musella
> Musella Foundation
From: "Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Subject: Log Files
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:55:44 -0500
>Anyhow, if IMSD is taking up 100% of CPU I would, for a start, look at the
>IMS log and see who had a POP connection open at the time. Perhaps there
was
>some sort of thrashing going on.
Where would I find the IMS log? I don't seem to be able to find a log file
that indicates IMS in any fashion. Also, does anyone know what the
"autocfglog.log" log file is recording. I just looked at it and am finding
some IP addresses I don't recognize...should I be concerned?
Greg Hickel
ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com
From: Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Subject: Re: imsd.exe?
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:13:15 -0700
At 05:17 AM 10/8/1999 GMT, Squeezix wrote:
>Ric wrote:
>>I tried doing a "find" for ismd.exe on my NT Server, and did not find it, so
>>it must NOT be part of WorldMail Server 2.0.
>
>I'm running WM Server 2.0 (on NT workstation), and I do have IMSD. Perhaps
>you looked in the wrong place?
>
No, it was simply a spelling issue. Our friend who had the original problem
misspelled it. IMSD.exe makes sense since it would stand for Internet
Message Store Daemon. (Most of the low-level routines appear to have been
ported over from unix, which explains the demonology lingo.)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 08:54:30 +0300
From: Suhad AL-Khaldi <suhad at alshaya dot com>
Subject: Re: Eudora Attachment
Hi;
Thank you for your reply.....but maybe I was not clear enough .....the
attachment appear to for example user1 as URL but appear to user2 as icon
and both I have install eudora pro 3.0.2 and they almost have same
configuration .....and that why am wondering why the way to display the
attachment not the same......how to standardize that ?
waiting for some suggestion or nice ideas...thank you all
suhad
At 10:45 Õ 07/10/1999 -0700, Ric Wall wrote:
>>
>>At 12:02 AM 10/7/1999 -0700, someone wrote:
>>>I don't you can do anything in the server. The mail server does not
>>>parse the messages,
>
>I agree, mail servers do not and should not get involved in this.
>This is an application layer and presentation layer problem,
>and it is the mail clients (Eudora 3.x in your case) that have to figure
>it out.
>At least in your case all you worry about is either an icon or an url.
>In my case, I'm working with clients that have Outlook 98, Outlook Express,
>Eudora Light, Eudora Pro, Eudora Pro/French edition, etc....
>It is a royal pain because one person will receive attachment as part
>of their document, another as an url, another will see html code written
>all over their screen....
>
>Why in your case they sometimes appear as icons and sometimes as url is
>a mystery, however. If application is same version, same defaults, etc.
>then it must be something different at the operating system level. What
>files get converted to icons? (.bmp, .doc, .pdf) Because maybe some
>people don't have those file-types associated to any application on their
>machine, and that is why they don't see icons.
>
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:52:47 -0700
From: Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Subject: Re: Log Files
The IMS log should be in the same directory as the SMTP log. I don't
know about the autocfglog.log file.
Henry
"Gregory J. Hickel" wrote:
>
> >Anyhow, if IMSD is taking up 100% of CPU I would, for a start, look at the
> >IMS log and see who had a POP connection open at the time. Perhaps there
> was
> >some sort of thrashing going on.
>
> Where would I find the IMS log? I don't seem to be able to find a log file
> that indicates IMS in any fashion. Also, does anyone know what the
> "autocfglog.log" log file is recording. I just looked at it and am finding
> some IP addresses I don't recognize...should I be concerned?
>
> Greg Hickel
> ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 19:58:46 -0400
From: "Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Subject: mailbox.dat
I did something stupid. I deleted some messages from a mailbox directory.
Now the mailbox.dat file is pointing to missing messages.
If I just delete mailbox.dat, will worldmail just recreate a new one?
Al Musella
Musella Foundation
From: squeezix at ithaca dot com (Garry Wiegand)
Subject: Re: imsd.exe?
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:13:51 GMT
You wrote:
>Where would I find the IMS log? I don't seem to be able to find a log =
file
>that indicates IMS in any fashion.
In the Worldmail Management Center, left panel, Eudora Worldmail -> =
127.0.0.1
-> Internet Mail -> Logs. Or, at least mine were there yesterday. Today, =
all
the log files seem to have vanished from the Management Center. How =
peculiar.
Anyhow, they can also be found on your hard drive in your Worldmail =
install
directory\SMTP\Log.
(Which is not to be confused with <install>\SMTP\LogDir, which is where =
the
*SMTP* logs are.)
>Also, does anyone know what the
>"autocfglog.log" log file is recording. I just looked at it and am =
finding
>some IP addresses I don't recognize...should I be concerned?
Hm. There *are* peculiar entries in there.
One commonly-occurring address is 129.46.137.235 --- that turns out to be=
a
machine located at Qualcomm. How interesting. I wonder if they are =
watching
over our usage of the software.
The other one I have is "32.104.31.1" --- that seems to be on an
traceroute-invisible subnet.
I too would be interested in what 'autocfg' might be, and in what =
Qualcomm
might be doing. Anyone?
Garry
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: mailbox.dat
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:59:56 +0100
Basic answer is - Yes - next time mail comes in to that mailbox (and I think
also when user next logs in).
Good idea to back up the directory first.
Rgds
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Musella, DPM <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
To: Subscribers of WorldMail <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 12:58 AM
Subject: mailbox.dat
> I did something stupid. I deleted some messages from a mailbox
directory.
> Now the mailbox.dat file is pointing to missing messages.
>
> If I just delete mailbox.dat, will worldmail just recreate a new one?
> Al Musella
> Musella Foundation
>
>
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:41:10 -0700
From: Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Subject: Re: mailbox.dat
Yes, it will. However, all the top level folders are stored in the
mailbox.dat file, so when the mailbox.dat is recreated you will lose
access to all your folders. This of course applies only if you are using
IMAP4. If you are using POP3, then you shouldn't have any problems. But
if you have an IMAP4 and have created folders on the server, I would
suggest to modify the mailbox.dat directly and remove the lines that
point to the messages that have been deleted.
Henry
"Al Musella, DPM" wrote:
>
> I did something stupid. I deleted some messages from a mailbox directory.
> Now the mailbox.dat file is pointing to missing messages.
>
> If I just delete mailbox.dat, will worldmail just recreate a new one?
> Al Musella
> Musella Foundation
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:00:40 -0400
From: "Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Subject: Re: mailbox.dat
Nope. Didn't work.
When I deleted the mailbox.dat, then sent a message to the mailbox,
the new mailbox.dat was created with only the new message showing. Then
when I go to retreive mail, only that 1 new message appeared. There are
hundreds of messages in the directory.
I am not using imap
only pop.
>Basic answer is - Yes - next time mail comes in to that mailbox (and I think
>also when user next logs in).
>Good idea to back up the directory first.
>Rgds
>Paul
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:11:56 -0400
From: "Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Subject: Re: mailbox.dat
There are hundreds of messages.. impossible to figure out which is
causing the problem.
Do you know the format of the mailbox.dat file?
version 2
Next 1739
UID 933967684
LAST 939324263
(then there are hundreds of lines like:)
MSG 37ECE601.MSG 1393 32 93855841 6348
I understand next 1739 is the next message number. But whay are the UID and
Last. How do they determine the filenames for the messages?
> But
>if you have an IMAP4 and have created folders on the server, I would
>suggest to modify the mailbox.dat directly and remove the lines that
>point to the messages that have been deleted.
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:12:08 -0700
From: Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Subject: Re: mailbox.dat
Sorry, missed out a step. For all the old messages to show up, you need
to rename them from *.msg to *.new. So when the next time the user logs
in, the server checks for any new messages that are not in the
mailbox.dat file (these are the files with the *.new extension), renames
them to *.msg and adds them to the mailbox.dat file.
The UID and LAST are not used to determine the filename. UID indicates
the IMAP4 UIDVALIDITY value for your folder, while LAST is the timestamp
when the mailbox last time was selected. Next is not the next message
number, it's the next UID value that will be assigned to the message.
The first four lines should never be modified. It's not really
recommended to modify this file directly anyway, but like in your case,
if you deleted files directly, you can remove the corresponding MSG
lines from the mailbox.dat file. The format of the MSG line is as
follows (you must have one MSG file for every message file (*.msg
extension) in your mailbox directory):
MSG <filename> <uid value> <imap flags> <internal date> <size>
So in the example you're given below:
MSG 37ECE601.MSG 1393 32 93855841 6348
you must have a message with a filename 37ECE601.MSG that has a size of
6348 bytes.
Henry
"Al Musella, DPM" wrote:
>
> There are hundreds of messages.. impossible to figure out which is
> causing the problem.
> Do you know the format of the mailbox.dat file?
>
> version 2
> Next 1739
> UID 933967684
> LAST 939324263
> (then there are hundreds of lines like:)
> MSG 37ECE601.MSG 1393 32 93855841 6348
>
> I understand next 1739 is the next message number. But whay are the UID and
> Last. How do they determine the filenames for the messages?
>
> > But
> >if you have an IMAP4 and have created folders on the server, I would
> >suggest to modify the mailbox.dat directly and remove the lines that
> >point to the messages that have been deleted.
From: squeezix at ithaca dot com (Garry Wiegand)
Subject: Re: imsd.exe?
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:03:23 GMT
I wrote:
>PS - I just downloaded tryouts for... 23 shareware mail servers. I'll =
let you
>know if any of them solve our SMTP authentication problem.
I did it, and no luck. No SMTP authentication, no POP XTND XMIT. They're =
all
oriented to home dial-ups, rather than to homes with permanent Internet
connections.
Looks like the best thing for me to do is to write a POP wrapper =
micro-app
that will run along Worldmail. It'll answer the POP port requests, then =
hand
almost everything over to Worldmail's POP server. Except for the XMIT
requests, which it'll hand to the (local) SMTP server. Presto chango,
authenticated mail transmissions.
=46irst hurdle is that I need to change the port that IMSD is listening =
on.
I've checked through the Worldmail help, dialog boxes, and registry =
entries.
Anyone know where Worldmail keeps those port numbers? (I have bad feeling
they're hard-coded in the Worldmail binaries.)
thanks
Garry
PS - I've turned off that mysterious possibly-evil "autocfg" system =
service.
So far, no detectable difference in the system.
From: "Rob Merkwitza" <rob at octa4.net dot au>
Subject: Domain Aliases
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:48:49 +1000
Does anybody know whether Eudora World Mail server does domain aliasing? For example I have a customer who has 3 domains, a .net .com and a .com.au How do I setup the server so that I have all the accounts under one domain but if an email is sent to one
of the other domains it is aliased to the main domain.
Cheers,
Rob Merkwitza
Network Manager
Octa4 Pty Ltd
Ph: +61 8 89410699
Web: http://www.octa4.net.au
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:43:02 -0400
From: "Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Subject: Re: mailbox.dat
Forget about it. Problem solved.
I removed all of the messages from the directory and deleted the
mailbox.dat, and from that point on, all new messages were processed correctly.
Al
At 09:11 PM 10/10/99 -0400, Al Musella, DPM wrote:
> There are hundreds of messages.. impossible to figure out which is
> causing the problem.
> Do you know the format of the mailbox.dat file?
>
>version 2
>Next 1739
>UID 933967684
>LAST 939324263
>(then there are hundreds of lines like:)
>MSG 37ECE601.MSG 1393 32 93855841 6348
>
>
>I understand next 1739 is the next message number. But whay are the UID
>and Last. How do they determine the filenames for the messages?
>
>
>> But
>>if you have an IMAP4 and have created folders on the server, I would
>>suggest to modify the mailbox.dat directly and remove the lines that
>>point to the messages that have been deleted.
>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:58:48 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com>
Subject: Re: Eudora Attachment
At 8:54 AM +0300 10/9/99, Suhad AL-Khaldi wrote:
>Thank you for your reply.....but maybe I was not clear enough .....the
>attachment appear to for example user1 as URL but appear to user2 as icon
>and both I have install eudora pro 3.0.2 and they almost have same
>configuration .....and that why am wondering why the way to display the
>attachment not the same......how to standardize that ?
If both clients are using the same version of Eudora, and the same
message is sent to both, but the attachments appear differently, it
must be a eudora.ini setting that is different in one. You could try
renaming the .ini file, and then add in the important settings.
(It's not a bad idea to clean out the .ini now and then, as often it
fills with crust that users add over time and forget what or why.)
I'd also suggest upgrading to Eudora Pro 4.2, which has much better
handling of HTML and other formatted mail. (It also has in-line
spell checking, background send and receive of mail, auto-completion
of addresses, and other cool features.) You could try the free demo,
and see if the attachment handling is better (and also see if you
like the other good stuff). Check <http://www.eudora.com>.
--
Randall Gellens
rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com
Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:43:40 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com>
Subject: Re: Log Files
At 7:55 AM -0500 10/8/99, Gregory J. Hickel wrote:
>Also, does anyone know what the "autocfglog.log" log file is recording.
This is the log for the Auto Configuration service, which allows
Eudora clients (both Mac and PC, both Pro and Light) to be
automatically configured. By creating an account in WorldMail,
you've also created enough information to have the client
automatically configured. There's detailed information in the
WorldMail 2.0 manual, but the quick-start is to create another A
record in the DNS for the WorldMail server, with the name
"acap.<domain>". Then when you install a new client, create the
account in WorldMail first, then run Eudora on the client system and
click "auto configure". All that is needed is the usercode and
password.
--
Randall Gellens
rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com
Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:46:20 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com>
Subject: Re: imsd.exe?
At 8:13 AM +0000 10/10/99, Garry Wiegand wrote:
>One commonly-occurring address is 129.46.137.235 --- that turns out to be a
>machine located at Qualcomm. How interesting. I wonder if they are watching
>over our usage of the software.
I can assure you that Qualcomm does *not* connect to customer's
machines, except on explicit request. For example if you call Tech
Support and ask the representative to connect to your system.
--
Randall Gellens
rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com
Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:01:12 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com>
Subject: Re: imsd.exe?
At 7:03 AM +0000 10/11/99, Garry Wiegand wrote:
>First hurdle is that I need to change the port that IMSD is listening on.
>I've checked through the Worldmail help, dialog boxes, and registry entries.
>Anyone know where Worldmail keeps those port numbers? (I have bad feeling
>they're hard-coded in the Worldmail binaries.)
This isn't something that most people ever need to change, so it is a
little hard to find (it's in the help under View Online Books ->
Eudora WorldMail Server Manual -> Windows NT Registry Settings ->
Internet Message Store Settings).
You want to adjust the keys:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ISOCOR\Services\IMS\CurrentVersion\Settings\
POP3Port
IMAP4Port
--
Randall Gellens
rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com
Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
From: "Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Subject: Re: imsd.exe?
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:27:21 -0500
> At 3:03 PM -0500 10/11/99, Gregory J. Hickel wrote:
>
>Seems odd that I have the same IP address showing up consistently in my log
>along with a couple of others. We are a small office and I know that the
>auto configuration feature is not being used. Wonder what is causing
>this......
I just reviewed the log again. It seems that all of the entries are from
1997 which is before we installed WorldMail. Putting two and two
together....mention earlier that the IP address was a Eudora address + all
entries from 1997 = WorldMail ships with something in this particular log???
Does everyone else seem to have several entries in this log from IP address
129.46.137.235?
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:43:19 -0500
From: Andrew Starr <atstarr at negia dot net>
Subject: Kansas City area WorldMail user?
Someone I know in KC is looking for someone to help in person perhaps
on some WorldMail issues.
I'm in KC, but I don't have sufficient experience.
Anyone? (Contact me, I'll put you in touch.)
Thanks,
Andrew
--
Andrew Starr is eMailman(r): <http://www.emailman.com>
NewsReaders.com: <http://www.newsreaders.com>
Please quote relevant parts or all of this message in your reply. Thanks.
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:50:25 -0700
From: Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Subject: Re: Domain Aliases
No, Worldmail does not support domain aliasing.
Henry
Rob Merkwitza wrote:
>
> Does anybody know whether Eudora World Mail server does domain aliasing? For example I have a customer who has 3 domains, a .net .com and a .com.au How do I setup the server so that I have all the accounts under one domain but if an email is sent to
e
> of the other domains it is aliased to the main domain.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob Merkwitza
> Network Manager
> Octa4 Pty Ltd
> Ph: +61 8 89410699
> Web: http://www.octa4.net.au
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:09:32 -0400
From: "Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Subject: Re: mailbox.dat - EUREKA!
I found the answer!
To recap the problem: I had a few corrupted mailbox.dat files. I had a
few server crashes, and the files must have been in use and got messed up..
anyway, worldmail recovered by recreating the mailbox.dat. Unfortunately,
it forgot about the messages that were already in the directory - so they
became orphans.
I couldn't access those messages.
The solution is simple:
go into the directory in a dos box, and just rename *.msg *.new
when you check the mail, all the messages get sent!
Al
>Yes, it will. However, all the top level folders are stored in the
>mailbox.dat file, so when the mailbox.dat is recreated you will lose
>access to all your folders. This of course applies only if you are using
>IMAP4. If you are using POP3, then you shouldn't have any problems. But
>if you have an IMAP4 and have created folders on the server, I would
>suggest to modify the mailbox.dat directly and remove the lines that
>point to the messages that have been deleted.
>
>Henry
>
>"Al Musella, DPM" wrote:
> >
> > I did something stupid. I deleted some messages from a mailbox directory.
> > Now the mailbox.dat file is pointing to missing messages.
> >
> > If I just delete mailbox.dat, will worldmail just recreate a new one?
> > Al Musella
> > Musella Foundation
From: squeezix at ithaca dot com (Garry Wiegand)
Subject: Secure sending
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:15:09 GMT
Al Musella just wrote:
>(a message)
Looks like the mail server is working once again!
I had written:
>Looks like the best thing for me to do is to write a POP wrapper =
micro-app
>that will run along Worldmail.
I've done this now, and it works fine. Anyone who wants the executable is
welcome to it. To recap, "PopXmit" is a little wrapper program that
implements the "XTND XMIT" Pop protocol for Worldmail (or for any other
POP/SMTP server.)
*If* you have a mail client (Eudora, for example) that understands XTND =
XMIT
the wrapper lets you send your mail out via XTND XMIT and your Worldmail
server from wherever you are on the Internet -- without having to leave =
your
Worldmail SMTP server open to spammers.
(After I got done writing this, I noticed that there was an easier way to=
do
things. *If* you have total control over both the Worldmail server and =
all
the e-mail clients, then just change the agreed-on SMTP port number off =
to
something exotic, like 12309, instead of the usual "25". The spammers =
will
then be pretty unlikely to discover you.)
Garry
From: "Mike Hahn" <hahnmt at zender dot com>
Subject: RE: Secure sending
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:58:10 -0400
Garry,
Where can I find PopXmit? I must have missed the messages that were
exchanged during the downtime.
-----Original Message-----
From: Garry Wiegand [mailto:squeezix at ithaca dot com]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 4:15 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Secure sending
Al Musella just wrote:
>(a message)
Looks like the mail server is working once again!
I had written:
>Looks like the best thing for me to do is to write a POP wrapper micro-app
>that will run along Worldmail.
I've done this now, and it works fine. Anyone who wants the executable is
welcome to it. To recap, "PopXmit" is a little wrapper program that
implements the "XTND XMIT" Pop protocol for Worldmail (or for any other
POP/SMTP server.)
*If* you have a mail client (Eudora, for example) that understands XTND XMIT
the wrapper lets you send your mail out via XTND XMIT and your Worldmail
server from wherever you are on the Internet -- without having to leave your
Worldmail SMTP server open to spammers.
(After I got done writing this, I noticed that there was an easier way to do
things. *If* you have total control over both the Worldmail server and all
the e-mail clients, then just change the agreed-on SMTP port number off to
something exotic, like 12309, instead of the usual "25". The spammers will
then be pretty unlikely to discover you.)
Garry
From: "Gary Hunter" <ghunter at ibm dot net>
Subject: RE: Secure sending
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:33:54 +1000
how does the outside world communicate with your users? Isn't SMTP being
used for incoming external mail
-----Original Message-----
From: Garry Wiegand [mailto:squeezix at ithaca dot com]
Sent: Monday, 18 October 1999 6:15 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Secure sending
Al Musella just wrote:
>(a message)
Looks like the mail server is working once again!
I had written:
>Looks like the best thing for me to do is to write a POP wrapper micro-app
>that will run along Worldmail.
I've done this now, and it works fine. Anyone who wants the executable is
welcome to it. To recap, "PopXmit" is a little wrapper program that
implements the "XTND XMIT" Pop protocol for Worldmail (or for any other
POP/SMTP server.)
*If* you have a mail client (Eudora, for example) that understands XTND XMIT
the wrapper lets you send your mail out via XTND XMIT and your Worldmail
server from wherever you are on the Internet -- without having to leave your
Worldmail SMTP server open to spammers.
(After I got done writing this, I noticed that there was an easier way to do
things. *If* you have total control over both the Worldmail server and all
the e-mail clients, then just change the agreed-on SMTP port number off to
something exotic, like 12309, instead of the usual "25". The spammers will
then be pretty unlikely to discover you.)
Garry
From: gnews10 at ithaca dot com (Garry Wiegand)
Subject: Re: Secure sending
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:34:10 GMT
Gary Hunter wrote:
>how does the outside world communicate with your users? Isn't SMTP being
>used for incoming external mail
I was unclear. My Worldmail is set up so that the non-relay mail (the =
mail
addressed to someone actually within my site) doesn't have any blocks on =
it
at all. As you say. But the -relay- mail (being sent through to the =
outside
world, not to a local user) is only permitted if it's coming from an IP
within the site. When we talk about spammers and an "open relay", it =
means an
SMTP server that will allow outsiders to send through it to outsiders. =
Often
disguising the origin of the message in the process, which is their goal.
So, to eliminate spam relay in Worldmail, highlight "Internet Mail" in =
the
Worldmail left panel, right click, choose Security, choose "Message
Relaying", and tell it to just allow local people to submit non-local =
mail.
My own entries look like:
127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 (address 127.0.0.1 is OK)
192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 (192.168.0.xxx are all OK)
This is something different from blocking spammers from users on your own
site. For that, you need techniques that have a lot of smarts.
My wrapper program then modifies the above block by making mail that I =
submit
when I'm off travelling look *as if* it were being submitted from within =
the
site.
Yes, it gets confusing!
Garry
PS - If you do want a copy of PopXmit, just send me private mail.
From: squeezix at ithaca dot com (Garry Wiegand)
Subject: Re: Secure sending
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:34:29 GMT
Gary Hunter wrote:
>how does the outside world communicate with your users? Isn't SMTP being
>used for incoming external mail
I was unclear. My Worldmail is set up so that the non-relay mail (the =
mail
addressed to someone actually within my site) doesn't have any blocks on =
it
at all. As you say. But the -relay- mail (being sent through to the =
outside
world, not to a local user) is only permitted if it's coming from an IP
within the site. When we talk about spammers and an "open relay", it =
means an
SMTP server that will allow outsiders to send through it to outsiders. =
Often
disguising the origin of the message in the process, which is their goal.
So, to eliminate spam relay in Worldmail, highlight "Internet Mail" in =
the
Worldmail left panel, right click, choose Security, choose "Message
Relaying", and tell it to just allow local people to submit non-local =
mail.
My own entries look like:
127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 (address 127.0.0.1 is OK)
192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 (192.168.0.xxx are all OK)
This is something different from blocking spammers from users on your own
site. For that, you need techniques that have a lot of smarts.
My wrapper program then modifies the above block by making mail that I =
submit
when I'm off travelling look *as if* it were being submitted from within =
the
site.
Yes, it gets confusing!
Garry
PS - If you do want a copy of PopXmit, just send me private mail.
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:06:01 -0700
From: "Robert Sfeir" <robert at promptu dot com>
Subject: newbie
Hi just installed the world mail server and spamming as been incredibly
annoying. i was wondering if anyone out there has used up a solution
which I can apply in my case.
Thanks.
--
Robert S. Sfeir
Software Engineer
Promptu Systems Corporation
e-mail: robert at promptu dot com
direct voice: (408)808-9048
"Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood" - Covey
---
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:36:58 +0100
From: "Lee Nicholls" <LeeN at advancedgroup.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: newbie
Hi,
I have had problems with this for ages, and nobody yet has come up with a =
valid solution. However, I have been speaking to Netcom UK (our ISP) and =
they recommend the following:
1) Get all your Worldmail clients (users) to change their outgoing SMTP =
server to their ISP server. (As they are dialed in to this, they can send =
through it)
2) Once they have done this, block access for message relaying on the =
server for all IP addresses except the server (so if the server IP is =
123.123.123.4, allow this only). This will still allow the server to send =
mail if you use Frontpage server extensions for example, but nobody else.
3) The server will then be secure to the outside world.
Hope this helps,
Lee N
>>> "Robert Sfeir" <robert at promptu dot com> 26 October 1999 17:06:01 >>>
Hi just installed the world mail server and spamming as been incredibly
annoying. i was wondering if anyone out there has used up a solution
which I can apply in my case.
Thanks.
--
Robert S. Sfeir
Software Engineer
Promptu Systems Corporation
e-mail: robert at promptu dot com
direct voice: (408)808-9048
"Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood" - Covey
---
From: Slava <vtsytsikov at admin.seu dot edu>
Subject: How can I create distribution lists
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:27:19 -0400
I am new to Worldmail. Can you please tell me how can I create distribution lists and global address book. Thank you.
From: Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Subject: Re: How can I create distribution lists
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:47:59 -0700
Hi Slava,
I'm working on creating a "global address book" also. The easiest thing
to do depends on what clients you have. Worldmail provides an ldap / ph
directory (they call it ldap but you access it via ph commands, don't quite
get that yet, but who cares, if it gets me to Fiji, I'll fly it.)
In my case I'm working with Eudora Light clients, and the ph ldapy thing
just ticked me off. On Light it is ugly and insensitive. So someone,
perhaps on this list, or maybe it was
some newsgroup, actually no, now that I'm looking at my notes I remember
it was some strange cult by the name of qualcomm, they told me how to
change the ini files for "additional nicknames." This would be the
moral equivalent of a global address book, I believe.
Have not tried it yet .... got sidetracked by mainframe programmers who make
150k a year and who do not know what US ASCII is. Can you believe that!
The scum. .... anyway, I'm back into the additional nicknames game again,
so if you are interested, let's keep working at it and perhaps we can
win a nobel prize in cybernetic epistology or something. Or maybe win a
free slice of pizza, either is good.
At 10:27 AM 10/27/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>I am new to Worldmail. Can you please tell me how can I create distribution
lists and global address book. Thank you.
>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:41:47 +0300
From: Suhad AL-Khaldi <suhad at alshaya dot com>
Subject: Re: How can I create distribution lists
Hi salva and Ric,
AM working on Eudora World mail server for 8 months and I have configure=
Global address book nicknames , and I have configure also distribution=
lists for the divisions we have in company, the thing you need it are:
1- Prepare complete list of all users with their full information , and if=
you have already configure local address book on your eudora pro will be=
great
2- you need to take a copy from TXT file which contain all the users, create=
new shared folder on the server call it with any name=
forexample"addressbook99" and store inside it all the global address books=
you want it as txt files.
3- in the user eudora pro(no light) you should configure the eudora.ini ,=
under settings add this entry:ExtraNIckNameDirs=\\servername\addressbook9=
9
save it and re-open eudora pro again, you will get it.....
4- but if your mail server is NT and can support specific number of users so=
you should start wary about your network traffic, with world mail the=
number of users access to the global address book will make the network=
slow , and slow......so understand your network structure carefully then=
implemented.
for distribution list....please when you are ready for it...just tell em I=
will E-mail it to you.......all the best
regards
At 07:47 Õ 27/10/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Slava,
>I'm working on creating a "global address book" also. The easiest thing
>to do depends on what clients you have. Worldmail provides an ldap / ph
>directory (they call it ldap but you access it via ph commands, don't quite
>get that yet, but who cares, if it gets me to Fiji, I'll fly it.)
>
>In my case I'm working with Eudora Light clients, and the ph ldapy thing
>just ticked me off. On Light it is ugly and insensitive. So someone,
>perhaps on this list, or maybe it was
>some newsgroup, actually no, now that I'm looking at my notes I remember
>it was some strange cult by the name of qualcomm, they told me how to
>change the ini files for "additional nicknames." This would be the
>moral equivalent of a global address book, I believe.
>Have not tried it yet .... got sidetracked by mainframe programmers who=
make
>150k a year and who do not know what US ASCII is. Can you believe that!
>The scum. .... anyway, I'm back into the additional nicknames game=
again,
>so if you are interested, let's keep working at it and perhaps we can
>win a nobel prize in cybernetic epistology or something. Or maybe win a
>free slice of pizza, either is good.
>
>
>
>At 10:27 AM 10/27/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>>I am new to Worldmail. Can you please tell me how can I create=
distribution
>lists and global address book. Thank you.
>>
>
>
<bold>Suhad H. N. Jassem AL-Khaldi
Training engineer/ Technical support specialist
Alshaya Postmaster
M.H. Al-Shaya / IT department
Tel: 965-4848400 ext: 2533
Fax:965-4817885
E-mail: suhad at alshaya dot com
postmaster at alshaya dot com
</bold>
From: Ric Wall <ric_wall at informatixinc dot com>
Subject: Re: How can I create distribution lists
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:05:26 -0700
Thank you Suhad. Information like this is what makes this mailing list
worth gold, and it also proves to me that we can do more, and learn more
from cooperation than from competition.
If only our economic and political leaders worldwide could understand!!!!!
-Big hug to all
RW
At 09:41 AM 10/28/1999 +0300, Suhad AL-Khaldi wrote:
>Hi salva and Ric,
>
> AM working on Eudora World mail server for 8 months and I have configure
Global address book nicknames , and I have configure also distribution lists
for the divisions we have in company, the thing you need it are:
>1- Prepare complete list of all users with their full information , and if
you have already configure local address book on your eudora pro will be=
great
>2- you need to take a copy from TXT file which contain all the users,
create new shared folder on the server call it with any name
forexample"addressbook99" and store inside it all the global address books
you want it as txt files.
>3- in the user eudora pro(no light) you should configure the eudora.ini ,
under settings add this entry:ExtraNIckNameDirs=\\servername\addressbook99
>save it and re-open eudora pro again, you will get it.....
>4- but if your mail server is NT and can support specific number of users
so you should start wary about your network traffic, with world mail the
number of users access to the global address book will make the network slow
, and slow......so understand your network structure carefully then=
implemented.
>
>for distribution list....please when you are ready for it...just tell em I
will E-mail it to you.......all the best
>
>regards
>
>
> At 07:47 Õ 27/10/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi Slava,
>>I'm working on creating a "global address book" also. The easiest thing=
>>to do depends on what clients you have. Worldmail provides an ldap / ph
>>directory (they call it ldap but you access it via ph commands, don't=
quite
>>get that yet, but who cares, if it gets me to Fiji, I'll fly it.)
>>
>>In my case I'm working with Eudora Light clients, and the ph ldapy thing
>>just ticked me off. On Light it is ugly and insensitive. So someone,
>>perhaps on this list, or maybe it was
>>some newsgroup, actually no, now that I'm looking at my notes I remember
>>it was some strange cult by the name of qualcomm, they told me how to
>>change the ini files for "additional nicknames." This would be the
>>moral equivalent of a global address book, I believe.
>>Have not tried it yet .... got sidetracked by mainframe programmers who=
make
>>150k a year and who do not know what US ASCII is. Can you believe that!
>>The scum. .... anyway, I'm back into the additional nicknames game=
again,
>>so if you are interested, let's keep working at it and perhaps we can
>>win a nobel prize in cybernetic epistology or something. Or maybe win a=
>>free slice of pizza, either is good.
>>
>>
>>
>>At 10:27 AM 10/27/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>>>I am new to Worldmail. Can you please tell me how can I create=
distribution
>>lists and global address book. Thank you.
>>>
>>
>>
>Suhad H. N. Jassem AL-Khaldi
>Training engineer/ Technical support specialist
>Alshaya Postmaster
>M.H. Al-Shaya / IT department
>Tel: 965-4848400 ext: 2533
>Fax:965-4817885
>E-mail: suhad at alshaya dot com
> postmaster at alshaya dot com
>
>
>
From: Slava <vtsytsikov at admin.seu dot edu>
Subject: RE: How can I create distribution lists
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:35:44 -0400
Hi Ric and hi Suhad, Thanks a lot for your information. As a client most of the user use Netscape, some of them use Outlook.
So I have to figure out how to make them use these global address books. Thanks again.
Slava
-----Original Message-----
From: Ric Wall [SMTP:ric_wall at informatixinc dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:48 AM
To: mailto
Subject: Re: How can I create distribution lists
Hi Slava,
I'm working on creating a "global address book" also. The easiest thing
to do depends on what clients you have. Worldmail provides an ldap / ph
directory (they call it ldap but you access it via ph commands, don't quite
get that yet, but who cares, if it gets me to Fiji, I'll fly it.)
In my case I'm working with Eudora Light clients, and the ph ldapy thing
just ticked me off. On Light it is ugly and insensitive. So someone,
perhaps on this list, or maybe it was
some newsgroup, actually no, now that I'm looking at my notes I remember
it was some strange cult by the name of qualcomm, they told me how to
change the ini files for "additional nicknames." This would be the
moral equivalent of a global address book, I believe.
Have not tried it yet .... got sidetracked by mainframe programmers who make
150k a year and who do not know what US ASCII is. Can you believe that!
The scum. .... anyway, I'm back into the additional nicknames game again,
so if you are interested, let's keep working at it and perhaps we can
win a nobel prize in cybernetic epistology or something. Or maybe win a
free slice of pizza, either is good.
At 10:27 AM 10/27/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>I am new to Worldmail. Can you please tell me how can I create distribution
lists and global address book. Thank you.
>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:56:07 -0700
From: William Hultman <whultman at home dot com>
Subject: Re: newbie
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
Hi,
You could also try restricting relaying to just the local IP addresses
of your network. This is done by right clicking Internet Mail and selecting
Security. then, from the Message Relaying tab, enter the appropriate
network address and netmask for your local IP addresses.
Bill
At 01:36 AM 10/27/99 , Lee Nicholls wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have had problems with this for ages, and nobody yet has come up with a
>valid solution. However, I have been speaking to Netcom UK (our ISP) and
>they recommend the following:
>
>1) Get all your Worldmail clients (users) to change their outgoing SMTP
>server to their ISP server. (As they are dialed in to this, they can send
>through it)
>
>2) Once they have done this, block access for message relaying on the
>server for all IP addresses except the server (so if the server IP is
>123.123.123.4, allow this only). This will still allow the server to send
>mail if you use Frontpage server extensions for example, but nobody else.
>
>3) The server will then be secure to the outside world.
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Lee N
>
> >>> "Robert Sfeir" <robert at promptu dot com> 26 October 1999 17:06:01 >>>
>Hi just installed the world mail server and spamming as been incredibly
>annoying. i was wondering if anyone out there has used up a solution
>which I can apply in my case.
>
>Thanks.
>
>--
>Robert S. Sfeir
>Software Engineer
>Promptu Systems Corporation
>e-mail: robert at promptu dot com
>direct voice: (408)808-9048
>
>"Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood" - Covey
>---
>
William B. Hultman
<mailto:whultman at home dot com>
"I am not responsible for anything contained in this message.
It appears that my cats have learned to type."
----------
"Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on
ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it..."
--=====================_270407730==_.ALT
Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
<html>
<font face="Monotype.com">Hi,<br>
You could also try restricting relaying to just the local IP
addresses of your network. This is done by right clicking Internet Mail
and selecting Security. then, from the Message Relaying tab, enter the
appropriate network address and netmask for your local IP
addresses.<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
<br>
<br>
At 01:36 AM 10/27/99 , Lee Nicholls wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Hi,<br>
<br>
I have had problems with this for ages, and nobody yet has come up with a
valid solution. However, I have been speaking to Netcom UK (our
ISP) and they recommend the following:<br>
<br>
1) Get all your Worldmail clients (users) to change their outgoing SMTP
server to their ISP server. (As they are dialed in to this, they can send
through it)<br>
<br>
2) Once they have done this, block access for message relaying on the
server for all IP addresses except the server (so if the server IP is
123.123.123.4, allow this only). This will still allow the server
to send mail if you use Frontpage server extensions for example, but
nobody else.<br>
<br>
3) The server will then be secure to the outside world.<br>
<br>
Hope this helps,<br>
<br>
Lee N<br>
<br>
>>> "Robert Sfeir" <robert at promptu dot com> 26
October 1999 17:06:01 >>><br>
Hi just installed the world mail server and spamming as been
incredibly<br>
annoying. i was wondering if anyone out there has used up a
solution<br>
which I can apply in my case.<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Robert S. Sfeir<br>
Software Engineer<br>
Promptu Systems Corporation<br>
e-mail: robert at promptu dot com <br>
direct voice: (408)808-9048<br>
<br>
"Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood" - Covey<br>
---<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote><br>
<font color="#000080"><b>William B. Hultman <br>
</font></b><font color="#000000"><<a href="mailto:whultman@home dot com" eudora="autourl">mailto:whultman at home dot com</a>>
<br>
<b>"I am not responsible for anything contained in this message.
<br>
It appears that my cats have learned to type." <br>
<br>
</font></b><hr>
</b><font size=2>"Only wimps use tape backup:
<font size=2><i>real</i><font size=2> men just upload their important
stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror
it..."</font></html>
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 07:45:28 +0300
From: Suhad Al-Khaldi <suhad at alshaya dot com>
Subject: Re: How can I create distribution lists
Hi Slava , Hi Ric
I hope what I have send help both......am ready to send distribution list
(steps)when both are ready...just tell me then I will send it..guys
salam
At 12:05 ã 28/10/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Thank you Suhad. Information like this is what makes this mailing list
>worth gold, and it also proves to me that we can do more, and learn more
>from cooperation than from competition.
>
>If only our economic and political leaders worldwide could understand!!!!!
>-Big hug to all
> RW
>
>At 09:41 AM 10/28/1999 +0300, Suhad AL-Khaldi wrote:
> >Hi salva and Ric,
> >
> > AM working on Eudora World mail server for 8 months and I have configure
>Global address book nicknames , and I have configure also distribution=
lists
>for the divisions we have in company, the thing you need it are:
> >1- Prepare complete list of all users with their full information , and=
if
>you have already configure local address book on your eudora pro will be=
great
> >2- you need to take a copy from TXT file which contain all the users,
>create new shared folder on the server call it with any name
>forexample"addressbook99" and store inside it all the global address books
>you want it as txt files.
> >3- in the user eudora pro(no light) you should configure the eudora.ini ,
>under settings add this entry:ExtraNIckNameDirs=\\servername\addressbook9=
9
> >save it and re-open eudora pro again, you will get it.....
> >4- but if your mail server is NT and can support specific number of users
>so you should start wary about your network traffic, with world mail the
>number of users access to the global address book will make the network=
slow
>, and slow......so understand your network structure carefully then
>implemented.
> >
> >for distribution list....please when you are ready for it...just tell em=
I
>will E-mail it to you.......all the best
> >
> >regards
> >
> >
> > At 07:47 Õ 27/10/1999 -0700, you wrote:
> >>Hi Slava,
> >>I'm working on creating a "global address book" also. The easiest thing
> >>to do depends on what clients you have. Worldmail provides an ldap / ph
> >>directory (they call it ldap but you access it via ph commands, don't=
quite
> >>get that yet, but who cares, if it gets me to Fiji, I'll fly it.)
> >>
> >>In my case I'm working with Eudora Light clients, and the ph ldapy thing
> >>just ticked me off. On Light it is ugly and insensitive. So someone,
> >>perhaps on this list, or maybe it was
> >>some newsgroup, actually no, now that I'm looking at my notes I remember
> >>it was some strange cult by the name of qualcomm, they told me how to
> >>change the ini files for "additional nicknames." This would be the
> >>moral equivalent of a global address book, I believe.
> >>Have not tried it yet .... got sidetracked by mainframe programmers
> who make
> >>150k a year and who do not know what US ASCII is. Can you believe that!
> >>The scum. .... anyway, I'm back into the additional nicknames game
> again,
> >>so if you are interested, let's keep working at it and perhaps we can
> >>win a nobel prize in cybernetic epistology or something. Or maybe win a
> >>free slice of pizza, either is good.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>At 10:27 AM 10/27/1999 -0400, you wrote:
> >>>I am new to Worldmail. Can you please tell me how can I create
> distribution
> >>lists and global address book. Thank you.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >Suhad H. N. Jassem AL-Khaldi
> >Training engineer/ Technical support specialist
> >Alshaya Postmaster
> >M.H. Al-Shaya / IT department
> >Tel: 965-4848400 ext: 2533
> >Fax:965-4817885
> >E-mail: suhad at alshaya dot com
> > postmaster at alshaya dot com
> >
> >
> >
Suhad H. N. Al-Khaldi
Technical Support Specialist /Training Engineer
M.H.Alshaya Co / IT department
Tel: 965-4848400 Ext: 2533
Fax:965-4817885
E-mail: suhad at alshaya dot com
postmaster at alshaya dot com
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:58:01 -0500
From: "Al Musella, DPM" <musella at virtualtrials dot com>
Subject: Setting up alternate email server?
Hi.
I am still having problems with my mail server (eudora is "working on a
fix")...
in the mean time, I was reading about a way to set up a second mail server,
using an MX record with a higher priority number, so if the first mail
server is not up, the mail will get delivered to the second mail server,
which then holds it and then forwards it to the real mail server when it is
up, so no mail is lost.
Can eudora worldmail handle this "store and foward" technique?? What
specific steps (I am a complete novice at this) are needed? I have a
webserver hooked up to the internet that I can use for the second mail server.
Also - would I have to license a second copy of worldmail for the other
server, or would I be able to use the same one, since by definition they
both won't be used at the same time?
Al Musella, DPM
President
Musella Foundation For Brain Tumor Research
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:32:21 -0800
From: Henry Avetisyan <henry at jps dot net>
Subject: Re: Setting up alternate email server?
One important point I need to make is that when your mail server is
down, no mail is lost unless your server is down for an extended period
of time. Most servers, that are trying to deliver mail to your server,
if are not able to connect to your server, they just queue the message
and retry it at a later time.
Now on your question. Setting up a second backup server is pretty easy.
There are basically two steps involved:
a) As you mentioned, you need to setup another MX record for the backup
mail server, for example:
mydomain.com MX 10 server.mydomain.com
mydomain.com MX 20 backup.mydomain.com
So any message destined for mydomain.com will be delivered first to
server.mydomain.com and if the connection with this server is not
possible, another connection will be opened with backup.mydomain.com
b) Setup your backup domain. The simplest way to accomplish this is to
set this up as a smart relay host with no local or custom domains
configured and the value for the smart relay host would be your primary
mail server name. However, if you have relay restrictions setup for IP
addresses, this allows any spammers to send messages to this server
directly, that will be accepted but rejected when are passed to the
primary server (of course you have to make sure that to disallow the IP
address of the backup server to send any relay mail). This will not
allow any spam mail to go out of your servers, but it will create some
extra processing by the backup server.
The other option is to setup all your relay restrictions on the backup
server as well, don't create any local domains, but create custom
domains for your primary domains, and in the custom domain configuration
dialog box choose the option to override relay restrictions.
For your last questions, I believe the right thing to is to check with
Qualcomm about the licensing issue.
Henry
"Al Musella, DPM" wrote:
>
> Hi.
> I am still having problems with my mail server (eudora is "working on a
> fix")...
> in the mean time, I was reading about a way to set up a second mail server,
> using an MX record with a higher priority number, so if the first mail
> server is not up, the mail will get delivered to the second mail server,
> which then holds it and then forwards it to the real mail server when it is
> up, so no mail is lost.
>
> Can eudora worldmail handle this "store and foward" technique?? What
> specific steps (I am a complete novice at this) are needed? I have a
> webserver hooked up to the internet that I can use for the second mail server.
> Also - would I have to license a second copy of worldmail for the other
> server, or would I be able to use the same one, since by definition they
> both won't be used at the same time?
>
> Al Musella, DPM
> President
> Musella Foundation For Brain Tumor Research