The worldmail list archive ending on 29 Aug 2000
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. Is WorldMail Recommended?
"John R. Hodal" <jhodal at frisby-pmc dot com>
Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:31:09 -0500
2. RE:Is WorldMail Recommended?
Scott.Menke at wellpoint dot com
Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:39:00 -0700
3. RE: Is WorldMail Recommended?
"Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:47:58 -0300
4. RE: Is WorldMail Recommended?
Peter Katz <peter.katz at pkatech dot com>
Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:40:40 -0400
5. RE: Is WorldMail Recommended?
"Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:48:46 -0300
6. How to "webify" secure email
John Tooley <jtooley at harvardwestlake dot com>
Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:11:30 -0700
7. Re: Is WorldMail Recommended?
Richard Brown <rxbrown at bigfoot dot com>
Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:41:46 -0700
8. Re: How to "webify" secure email
"Douglas D. Anderson" <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:08:12 -0500 (EST)
9. Re: Is WorldMail Recommended?
Greg Bullough <gwb at outofchaos dot com>
Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:39:03 -0400
10. Strange address
Scott.Menke at wellpoint dot com
Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:24:00 -0700
11. Smart host routing problem
"Ian Homewood" <ianh at stanley.co dot uk>
Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:45:01 +0100
12. Worldmail hangs on (barely) under Win2000
Garry Wiegand <squeezix at ithaca dot com>
Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:13:39 -0700
13. Re: Is WorldMail Recommended?
Garry Wiegand <squeezix at ithaca dot com>
Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:45:22 -0700
14. Re: Worldmail hangs on (barely) under Win2000
"Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:15:51 -0500
15. Re: Worldmail hangs on (barely) under Win2000
Gabriel Caunt <gabe at rbdg dot com>
Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:20:32 -0500
16. Connection problem
Scott.Menke at wellpoint dot com
Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:24:00 -0700
17. Re: Worldmail hangs on (barely) under Win2000
Garry Wiegand <squeezix at ithaca dot com>
Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:54:06 -0700
18. Re: Worldmail hangs on (barely) under Win2000
Mark Berry <mark at supportingit.co dot uk>
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 02:16:40 +0100
19. Message Relaying
"Philip K. Dunn" <pkdunn at hoptechno dot com>
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:00:57 -0500
20. WorldMail Distribution List Welcome Messages
"Anderson, Bill" <wander01 at mail.state.mo dot us>
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:00:39 -0500
21. Worldmail and MS Proxy Server 2.0
Peter Katz <peter.katz at pkatech dot com>
Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:12:15 -0400
22. No transport provider available
"Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly at sso dot org>
Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:25:35 -0400
23. RE: Worldmail and MS Proxy Server 2.0
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:06:55 +0100
24. RE: No transport provider available
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:06:54 +0100
25. RE: Worldmail and MS Proxy Server 2.0
William Hultman <whultman at home dot com>
Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:47:42 -0700
26. RE: Worldmail and MS Proxy Server 2.0
"Art Lazanoff" <art at parrotbyte dot com>
Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:04:30 -0700
27. Re: Smart host routing problem
Randall Gellens <rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com>
Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:45:06 -0700
28. errors on incoming & outgoing mail
Matt Schwartz <matt at deep-thought dot com>
Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:08:43 -0500
29. Win98 Clients
Scott.Menke at wellpoint dot com
Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:37:00 -0700
30. Re: errors on incoming & outgoing mail
"Douglas D. Anderson" <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:32:36 -0500 (EST)
31. Re: Win98 Clients
"Douglas D. Anderson" <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:56:48 -0500 (EST)
32. Re: errors on incoming & outgoing mail
"Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly at sso dot org>
Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:41:15 -0400
33. Re: errors on incoming & outgoing mail
"Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:39:09 -0500
34. N-PLEX API Software Development Kit
"Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:21:51 -0500
35. Sub-domain troubles.
Mike <mike at barlow dot net>
Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:44:10 +0100
36. Some further WM problems.
Mike <mike at barlow dot net>
Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:37:07 +0100
37. RE: Some further WM problems.
"Ian Homewood" <ianh at stanley.co dot uk>
Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:51:36 +0100
38. RE: Some further WM problems.
Scott.Menke at wellpoint dot com
Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:26:00 -0700
39. RE: Some further WM problems.
Mike <mike at barlow dot net>
Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:53:38 +0100
40. WM login problem
Ron Hiner <rhiner at softstone dot net>
Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:23:38 -0400
41. Re: WM login problem
"Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:31:47 -0500
42. RE: WM login problem
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:21:57 +0100
43. create email account using bulkload
<chris at ctay dot net>
Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:55:01 -0500
44. Setting anti-relay measures
Mike <midimuso at cyberdude dot com>
Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:44:14 +0100
45. Reply.. setting anti-relay measures
Phil Howitt <phil_h at ix.netcom dot com>
Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:24:49 -0700
46. Re: Reply.. setting anti-relay measures
Seymour Joseph <sjoseph at bciu.k12.pa dot us>
Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:28:09 -0400
47. Re: Reply.. setting anti-relay measures
"Douglas Anderson" <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:47:38 -0500
48. Re: Reply.. setting anti-relay measures
Phil Howitt <phil_h at ix.netcom dot com>
Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:55:05 -0700
49. RE: Setting anti-relay measures
"Ian Homewood" <ianh at stanley.co dot uk>
Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:31:57 +0100
50. RE: Reply.. setting anti-relay measures
"Ian Homewood" <ianh at stanley.co dot uk>
Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:33:18 +0100
From: "John R. Hodal" <jhodal at frisby-pmc dot com>
Subject: Is WorldMail Recommended?
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:31:09 -0500
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I'm in charge of researching new email server software and I'm =
interested in WorldMail. I see on previous posts that worldmail has =
it's problems. I work in a company that will have a max of 75 email =
users (about 50 internal email users and of that 50, about 15 will use =
internet (external) email also, the remainder, 25, is for later use) and =
we need several things:
1) We have our own domain and we need to be able to pull down email from =
of our isp (I guess from one "community mailbox" for the entire domain) =
and distribute it to the appropriate people in the building. I already =
know WorldMail can do this.
2) We need to be able to send internal email through WorldMail also. =
Now how does this work? Does WorldMail treat the internal mail the same =
way as external, meaning internal mail is uploaded to the isp, =
downloaded from the isp, then distributed? Or can it just send the mail =
to that person right away?
3) I guess my overall question is "Would you recommand WorldMail for our =
company?" I've looked into a few other programs like exchange and was =
turned off by the complexity and price.
Can you make any suggestions?
Thanks. You would be my hero.
John Hodal
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2> <FONT =
color=#000000>I'm in
charge of researching new email server software and I'm interested in
WorldMail. I see on previous posts that worldmail has it's =
problems.
I work in a company that will have a max of 75 email users (about 50 =
internal
email users and of that 50, about 15 will use internet (external) email =
also,
the remainder, 25, is for later use) and we need several
things:</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT =
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT color=#000000>1) We have our =
own domain
and we need to be able to pull down email from of our isp (I guess from =
one
"community mailbox" for the entire domain) and distribute it =
to the
appropriate people in the building. I already know WorldMail can =
do
this.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT =
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT color=#000000>2) We need to =
be able to
send internal email through WorldMail also. Now how does this =
work?
Does WorldMail treat the internal mail the same way as external, meaning =
internal mail is uploaded to the isp, downloaded from the isp, then
distributed? Or can it just send the mail to that person right
away?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT =
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT color=#000000>3) I guess my =
overall
question is "Would you recommand WorldMail for our =
company?"
I've looked into a few other programs like exchange and was turned off =
by the
complexity and price.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT =
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT =
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT =
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT color=#000000>Can you make =
any
suggestions? </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT color=#000000>Thanks. =
You would be
my hero.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT color=#000000>John
Hodal</FONT></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:39:00 -0700
From: Scott.Menke at wellpoint dot com
Subject: RE:Is WorldMail Recommended?
John,
Don't think of your ISP as a mailbox, they will just be a routing station. A
mailbox is the destination which you create with each "account" on your
server. When somebody outside of your company sends an email, it must go
through the routing station (ISP) just like snail mail must go through a post
office before it gets to the intended recipient.
However, sending internal mail is liking delivering mail to your neighbor. You
would not want to pay with a stamp to send that mail through the routing
station, so you would just drop it in their mailbox. Worldmail works the same
in that you won't pay (bandwidth) and the mail is sent directly to the
recipient's mailbox on your server. Worldmail does this because it knows it's
own domain name (i.e., companyx.com).
I have only used Worldmail for a short time, but it is thus far easy and
reliable. Make sure you understand the licensing...the web site does not
clearly tell you that the base package only allows for 10 mailboxes.
Scott Menke
> I'm in charge of researching new email server software and I'm interested
in WorldMail. I see on previous posts that worldmail has it's >problems. I
work in a company that will have a max of 75 email users (about 50 internal
email users and of that
> 50, about 15 will use internet (external) email also, the remainder, 25, is
for later use) and we need several things:
>
>1) We have our own domain and we need to be able to pull down email from of
our isp (I guess from one "community mailbox" for the entire >domain) and
distribute it to the appropriate people in the building. I already know
WorldMail can do this.
>
>2) We need to be able to send internal email through WorldMail also. Now how
does this work? Does WorldMail treat the internal mail the same >way as
external, meaning internal mail is uploaded to the isp, downloaded from the
isp, then distributed? Or
> can it just send the mail to that person right away?
>
>3) I guess my overall question is "Would you recommand WorldMail for our
company?" I've looked into a few other programs like exchange and >was turned
off by the complexity and price.
>
>Can you make any suggestions?
>Thanks. You would be my hero.
>John Hodal
From: "Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Subject: RE: Is WorldMail Recommended?
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:47:58 -0300
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1. you are right
2. it is smart enought to deliver internal email without the need to connect
to your isp
3. this is my opinion, and just mine. I beleive not. Why?
If you are going to set an email server, you always want the latest
technology. Worldmail is an OEM version of cp.net NS-Flex email server (now
known as Inscribe email server). When Eudore liscensed cp.net product, by
then it was named NS-Flex, cp.net prodcut was at version 1.3. Today cp.net
Inscribe Email server is in version 5.0 or greater. So, as you see, there
has been major improvements in the email server area and Worldmail hasn't
had a major upgrade in over two years. I beleive Worldmail is going
nowhere.
On the other side it's really-really-really easy to manage, even easier (in
my opinion) than NTmail (www.ntmail.co.uk) and iMail (www.iMail.com). And,
very-very important, it is rock-solid. We hadn't any disruption of service
ever! (three years). The only times we had to "put it down" was because we
were mail-bombed by some sucker... anyway, it manages ok small amounts of
email (we have 200 accounts I beleive), but under severe circunstances it
dies.
With so few email accounts you might be tempted to get Worldmail for its
simplicity, but again, Worlmail seems to be goingo nowhere.
If you want anti-spam features, Worldmail has next to nothing in this area,
but since you will be getting email from a dial-up account, there are no
chances that a spammer might use your Worldmail server for relaying.
Just check NTmail and iMail features, just download the demos and check out
the zillion options they offer... NTmail even has its own scripting
language!! Just an idea.
Hope this helps,
-Andrew McClymont
-----Original Message-----
From: John R. Hodal [mailto:jhodal at frisby-pmc dot com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:31 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Is WorldMail Recommended?
I'm in charge of researching new email server software and I'm
interested in WorldMail. I see on previous posts that worldmail has it's
problems. I work in a company that will have a max of 75 email users (about
50 internal email users and of that 50, about 15 will use internet
(external) email also, the remainder, 25, is for later use) and we need
several things:
1) We have our own domain and we need to be able to pull down email from
of our isp (I guess from one "community mailbox" for the entire domain) and
distribute it to the appropriate people in the building. I already know
WorldMail can do this.
2) We need to be able to send internal email through WorldMail also. Now
how does this work? Does WorldMail treat the internal mail the same way as
external, meaning internal mail is uploaded to the isp, downloaded from the
isp, then distributed? Or can it just send the mail to that person right
away?
3) I guess my overall question is "Would you recommand WorldMail for our
company?" I've looked into a few other programs like exchange and was
turned off by the complexity and price.
Can you make any suggestions?
Thanks. You would be my hero.
John Hodal
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=589233515-11072000>1. you
are right</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=589233515-11072000>2. it
is smart enought to deliver internal email without the need to connect =
to your
isp</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=589233515-11072000>3.
this is my opinion, and just mine. I beleive not.
Why?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=589233515-11072000>If you
are going to set an email server, you always want the latest =
technology.
Worldmail is an OEM version of cp.net NS-Flex email server (now known as =
Inscribe email server). When Eudore liscensed cp.net product, by =
then it
was named NS-Flex, cp.net prodcut was at version 1.3. Today cp.net =
Inscribe Email server is in version 5.0 or greater. So, as you =
see, there
has been major improvements in the email server area and Worldmail =
hasn't
had a major upgrade in over two years. I beleive Worldmail is =
going
nowhere. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=589233515-11072000>On the
other side it's really-really-really easy to manage, even easier (in my =
opinion)
than NTmail (<A href="http://www.ntmail.co.uk">www.ntmail.co.uk</A>) =
and iMail
(<A href="http://www.iMail.com">www.iMail.com</A>). And, =
very-very
important, it is rock-solid. We hadn't any disruption of service =
ever!
(three years). The only times we had to "put it down" was because =
we were
mail-bombed by some sucker... anyway, it manages ok small amounts of =
email (we
have 200 accounts I beleive), but under severe circunstances it
dies.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=589233515-11072000>With
so few email accounts you might be tempted to get Worldmail for its =
simplicity,
but again, Worlmail seems to be goingo nowhere.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=589233515-11072000>If you
want anti-spam features, Worldmail has next to nothing in this area, but =
since
you will be getting email from a dial-up account, there are no chances =
that a
spammer might use your Worldmail server for =
relaying.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=589233515-11072000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=589233515-11072000>Just
check NTmail and iMail features, just download the demos and check out =
the
zillion options they offer... NTmail even has its own scripting =
language!!
Just an idea.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=589233515-11072000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=589233515-11072000>Hope
this helps,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=589233515-11072000>-Andrew McClymont</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT =
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John R. Hodal
[mailto:jhodal at frisby-pmc dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 11, 2000 =
11:31
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> Is =
WorldMail
Recommended?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2> <FONT =
color=#000000>I'm in
charge of researching new email server software and I'm interested in
WorldMail. I see on previous posts that worldmail has it's
problems. I work in a company that will have a max of 75 email =
users
(about 50 internal email users and of that 50, about 15 will use =
internet
(external) email also, the remainder, 25, is for later use) and we =
need
several things:</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT =
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT color=#000000>1) We have =
our own domain
and we need to be able to pull down email from of our isp (I guess =
from one
"community mailbox" for the entire domain) and distribute it to the
appropriate people in the building. I already know WorldMail can =
do
this.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT =
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT color=#000000>2) We need =
to be able to
send internal email through WorldMail also. Now how does this
work? Does WorldMail treat the internal mail the same way as =
external,
meaning internal mail is uploaded to the isp, downloaded from the isp, =
then
distributed? Or can it just send the mail to that person right
away?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT =
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT color=#000000>3) I guess =
my overall
question is "Would you recommand WorldMail for our company?" =
I've looked
into a few other programs like exchange and was turned off by the =
complexity
and price.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT =
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT =
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT =
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT color=#000000>Can you make =
any
suggestions? </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT =
color=#000000>Thanks. You would be
my hero.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><FONT color=#000000>John
Hodal</FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:40:40 -0400
From: Peter Katz <peter.katz at pkatech dot com>
Subject: RE: Is WorldMail Recommended?
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Hi Andrew:
I've been watching the thread about Worldmail being a viable product. As
per your note, I looked up the Inscribe pages at
http://www.cp.net/products/inscr_email_messaging_capbenefits.html and at
first glance it looks like a very viable alternative to Worldmail. Why
didn't you also recommend it in addition to NTmail or iMail ? Is it a
matter of cost ? I haven't asked them for a price yet... I myself use
Worldmail for only about 10 users or so but I would also like some more
features and functionality...
Thanks,
Peter
At 12:47 PM 7/11/2000 -0300, Andrew McClymont wrote:
>1. you are right
>2. it is smart enought to deliver internal email without the need to
>connect to your isp
>3. this is my opinion, and just mine. I beleive not. Why?
>If you are going to set an email server, you always want the latest
>technology. Worldmail is an OEM version of cp.net NS-Flex email server
>(now known as Inscribe email server). When Eudore liscensed cp.net
>product, by then it was named NS-Flex, cp.net prodcut was at version
>1.3. Today cp.net Inscribe Email server is in version 5.0 or
>greater. So, as you see, there has been major improvements in the email
>server area and Worldmail hasn't had a major upgrade in over two years. I
>beleive Worldmail is going nowhere.
>On the other side it's really-really-really easy to manage, even easier
>(in my opinion) than NTmail (<http://www.ntmail.co.uk>www.ntmail.co.uk)
>and iMail (<http://www.iMail.com>www.iMail.com). And, very-very
>important, it is rock-solid. We hadn't any disruption of service ever!
>(three years). The only times we had to "put it down" was because we were
>mail-bombed by some sucker... anyway, it manages ok small amounts of email
>(we have 200 accounts I beleive), but under severe circunstances it dies.
>With so few email accounts you might be tempted to get Worldmail for its
>simplicity, but again, Worlmail seems to be goingo nowhere.
>If you want anti-spam features, Worldmail has next to nothing in this
>area, but since you will be getting email from a dial-up account, there
>are no chances that a spammer might use your Worldmail server for relaying.
>
>Just check NTmail and iMail features, just download the demos and check
>out the zillion options they offer... NTmail even has its own scripting
>language!! Just an idea.
>
>Hope this helps,
>-Andrew McClymont
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John R. Hodal [mailto:jhodal at frisby-pmc dot com]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:31 AM
>To: Subscribers of WorldMail
>Subject: Is WorldMail Recommended?
>
> I'm in charge of researching new email server software and I'm
> interested in WorldMail. I see on previous posts that worldmail has it's
> problems. I work in a company that will have a max of 75 email users
> (about 50 internal email users and of that 50, about 15 will use internet
> (external) email also, the remainder, 25, is for later use) and we need
> several things:
>
>1) We have our own domain and we need to be able to pull down email from
>of our isp (I guess from one "community mailbox" for the entire domain)
>and distribute it to the appropriate people in the building. I already
>know WorldMail can do this.
>
>2) We need to be able to send internal email through WorldMail also. Now
>how does this work? Does WorldMail treat the internal mail the same way
>as external, meaning internal mail is uploaded to the isp, downloaded from
>the isp, then distributed? Or can it just send the mail to that person
>right away?
>
>3) I guess my overall question is "Would you recommand WorldMail for our
>company?" I've looked into a few other programs like exchange and was
>turned off by the complexity and price.
>
>
>
>Can you make any suggestions?
>Thanks. You would be my hero.
>John Hodal
Peter ~^..^~ Katz
PKA Technologies, Inc.
Your Compaq Enterprise Solution Provider
From PalmTop to NonStop and Everything In Between
1 Executive Boulevard
Suite #203
Suffern, NY 10901
845-357-0170 voice
800-486-6461 toll-free
845-357-0130 fax
800-272-8154 pager
914-572-7328 cell phone (do not leave messages)
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Hi Andrew:<br>
<br>
I've been watching the thread about Worldmail being a viable product. As
per your note, I looked up the Inscribe pages at
<a href="http://www.cp.net/products/inscr_email_messaging_capbenefits.html" eudora="autourl">href="http://www.ntmail.co.uk">www.ntmail.co.uk</
/a>). And, very-very important, it is rock-solid. We hadn't any disruption of service ever! (three years). The only times we had to "put it down" was because we were mail-bombed by some sucker... anyway, it manages ok
ll amounts of email (we have 200 accounts I beleive), but under severe circunstances it dies.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">With so few email accounts you might be tempted to get Worldmail for its simplicity, but again, Worlmail seems to be goingo nowhere.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">If you want anti-spam features, Worldmail has next to nothing in this area, but since you will be getting email from a dial-up account, there are no chances that a spammer might use your Worldmail server for
ing.</font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">Just check NTmail and iMail features, just download the demos and check out the zillion options they offer... NTmail even has its own scripting language!! Just an idea.</font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">Hope this helps,</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">-Andrew McClymont</font>
<dl><font face="tahoma" size=2>
<dd>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From:</b> John R. Hodal [<a href="mailto:jhodal@frisby-pmc dot com" eudora="autourl">mailto:jhodal at frisby-pmc dot com</a>]
<dd>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:31 AM
<dd>To:</b> Subscribers of WorldMail
<dd>Subject:</b> Is WorldMail Recommended?<br>
<br>
</font>
<dd> I'm in charge of researching new email server software and I'm interested in WorldMail. I see on previous posts that worldmail has it's problems. I work in a company that will have a max of 75 email users (about 50
nal email users and of that 50, about 15 will use internet (external) email also, the remainder, 25, is for later use) and we need several things:
<dd> <font size=2>
<dd>1) We have our own domain and we need to be able to pull down email from of our isp (I guess from one "community mailbox" for the entire domain) and distribute it to the appropriate people in the building. I already know WorldMai
do this.</font>
<dd> <font size=2>
<dd>2) We need to be able to send internal email through WorldMail also. Now how does this work? Does WorldMail treat the internal mail the same way as external, meaning internal mail is uploaded to the isp, downloaded from the isp, then
ibuted? Or can it just send the mail to that person right away?</font>
<dd> <font size=2>
<dd>3) I guess my overall question is "Would you recommand WorldMail for our company?" I've looked into a few other programs like exchange and was turned off by the complexity and price.</font>
<dd>
<dd>
<dd> <font size=2>
<dd>Can you make any suggestions? </font><font size=2>
<dd>Thanks. You would be my hero.</font><font size=2>
<dd>John Hodal</font>
</dl></blockquote><br>
<br>
Peter ~^..^~ Katz<br>
PKA Technologies, Inc. <br>
<br>
<font color="#0000FF"><i>Your Compaq Enterprise Solution Provider<br>
From PalmTop to NonStop and Everything In Between<br>
<br>
</i></font>1 Executive Boulevard<br>
Suite #203<br>
Suffern, NY 10901<br>
<br>
<font color="#FF0000"><b>845-357-0170 voice<br>
</b></font>800-486-6461 toll-free<br>
845-357-0130 fax<br>
<font color="#FF0000"><b>800-272-8154 pager <br>
914-572-7328 cell phone </font><font size=1 color="#FF0000">(do not leave messages)<br>
</b></font>2728154 at skytel dot com (email pager)<br>
or just click on <br>
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From: "Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Subject: RE: Is WorldMail Recommended?
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:48:46 -0300
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Actually I couldn't get a price quote myself, they offered me to come to our
site and give us a demonstration. I haven't schedulled such demo yet.
It seems this prodcut is REALLY capable of managing millions of accounts.
We are about to offer free web-mail in our v-portal (www.e-campo.com), and
cp.net products look promising.
I haven't evaluated it yet since there is no demo available for download, or
I'm unable to find it.... although the fella that called me explained me
that demostrations were given in person, maybe I'm all wrong.
I would really love to check out this product.
Please let me know if you manage to download a demo of IMS.
Thanks in advance,
-Andrew McClymont
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Katz [mailto:peter.katz at pkatech dot com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 1:41 PM
To: Andrew McClymont; John R. Hodal
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Is WorldMail Recommended?
Hi Andrew:
I've been watching the thread about Worldmail being a viable product. As
per your note, I looked up the Inscribe pages at
http://www.cp.net/products/inscr_email_messaging_capbenefits.html and at
first glance it looks like a very viable alternative to Worldmail. Why
didn't you also recommend it in addition to NTmail or iMail ? Is it a matter
of cost ? I haven't asked them for a price yet... I myself use Worldmail for
only about 10 users or so but I would also like some more features and
functionality...
Thanks,
Peter
At 12:47 PM 7/11/2000 -0300, Andrew McClymont wrote:
1. you are right
2. it is smart enought to deliver internal email without the need to
connect to your isp
3. this is my opinion, and just mine. I beleive not. Why?
If you are going to set an email server, you always want the latest
technology. Worldmail is an OEM version of cp.net NS-Flex email server (now
known as Inscribe email server). When Eudore liscensed cp.net product, by
then it was named NS-Flex, cp.net prodcut was at version 1.3. Today cp.net
Inscribe Email server is in version 5.0 or greater. So, as you see, there
has been major improvements in the email server area and Worldmail hasn't
had a major upgrade in over two years. I beleive Worldmail is going
nowhere.
On the other side it's really-really-really easy to manage, even easier
(in my opinion) than NTmail (www.ntmail.co.uk) and iMail (www.iMail.com).
And, very-very important, it is rock-solid. We hadn't any disruption of
service ever! (three years). The only times we had to "put it down" was
because we were mail-bombed by some sucker... anyway, it manages ok small
amounts of email (we have 200 accounts I beleive), but under severe
circunstances it dies.
With so few email accounts you might be tempted to get Worldmail for its
simplicity, but again, Worlmail seems to be goingo nowhere.
If you want anti-spam features, Worldmail has next to nothing in this
area, but since you will be getting email from a dial-up account, there are
no chances that a spammer might use your Worldmail server for relaying.
Just check NTmail and iMail features, just download the demos and check
out the zillion options they offer... NTmail even has its own scripting
language!! Just an idea.
Hope this helps,
-Andrew McClymont
-----Original Message-----
From: John R. Hodal [mailto:jhodal at frisby-pmc dot com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:31 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Is WorldMail Recommended?
I'm in charge of researching new email server software and I'm
interested in WorldMail. I see on previous posts that worldmail has it's
problems. I work in a company that will have a max of 75 email users (about
50 internal email users and of that 50, about 15 will use internet
(external) email also, the remainder, 25, is for later use) and we need
several things:
1) We have our own domain and we need to be able to pull down email
from of our isp (I guess from one "community mailbox" for the entire domain)
and distribute it to the appropriate people in the building. I already know
WorldMail can do this.
2) We need to be able to send internal email through WorldMail also.
Now how does this work? Does WorldMail treat the internal mail the same way
as external, meaning internal mail is uploaded to the isp, downloaded from
the isp, then distributed? Or can it just send the mail to that person
right away?
3) I guess my overall question is "Would you recommand WorldMail for
our company?" I've looked into a few other programs like exchange and was
turned off by the complexity and price.
Can you make any suggestions?
Thanks. You would be my hero.
John Hodal
Peter ~^..^~ Katz
PKA Technologies, Inc.
Your Compaq Enterprise Solution Provider
From PalmTop to NonStop and Everything In Between
1 Executive Boulevard
Suite #203
Suffern, NY 10901
845-357-0170 voice
800-486-6461 toll-free
845-357-0130 fax
800-272-8154 pager
914-572-7328 cell phone (do not leave messages)
2728154 at skytel dot com (email pager)
or just click on
http://www.skytel.com/Paging/pageme.cgi?pin=2728154,1
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they
offered me to come to our site and give us a demonstration. I =
haven't
schedulled such demo yet.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=261414316-11072000>It
seems this prodcut is REALLY capable of managing millions of =
accounts. We
are about to offer free web-mail in our v-portal (<A
href="http://www.e-campo.com">www.e-campo.com</A>), and cp.net =
products look
promising.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=261414316-11072000>I
haven't evaluated it yet since there is no demo available for download, =
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unable to find it.... although the fella that called me explained me =
that
demostrations were given in person, maybe I'm all =
wrong.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=261414316-11072000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
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would really love to check out this product.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=261414316-11072000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
class=261414316-11072000>Please
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class=261414316-11072000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN =
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in advance,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=261414316-11072000>-Andrew McClymont</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT =
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Peter Katz
[mailto:peter.katz at pkatech dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 11, 2000 =
1:41
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Andrew McClymont; John R. Hodal<BR><B>Cc:</B> =
Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Is WorldMail
Recommended?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Hi Andrew:<BR><BR>I've been watching =
the
thread about Worldmail being a viable product. As per your note, I =
looked up
the Inscribe pages at <A
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"
=
eudora="autourl">http://www.cp.net/products/inscr_email_messaging_capbe=
nefits.</A><A
=
"
eudora="autourl">html</A> and at first glance it looks like a very =
viable
alternative to Worldmail. Why didn't you also recommend it in addition =
to
NTmail or iMail ? Is it a matter of cost ? I haven't asked them for a =
price
yet... I myself use Worldmail for only about 10 users or so but I =
would also
like some more features and
functionality...<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Peter<BR><BR><BR>At 12:47 PM =
7/11/2000
-0300, Andrew McClymont wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face=arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>1. you
are right</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial color=#0000ff size=2>2. =
it is smart
enought to deliver internal email without the need to connect to =
your
isp</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial color=#0000ff size=2>3. this is =
my opinion,
and just mine. I beleive not. Why?</FONT><BR><FONT =
face=arial
color=#0000ff size=2>If you are going to set an email server, =
you always
want the latest technology. Worldmail is an OEM version of =
cp.net
NS-Flex email server (now known as Inscribe email server). =
When Eudore
liscensed cp.net product, by then it was named NS-Flex, cp.net =
prodcut was
at version 1.3. Today cp.net Inscribe Email server is in =
version 5.0
or greater. So, as you see, there has been major improvements =
in the
email server area and Worldmail hasn't had a major upgrade in over =
two
years. I beleive Worldmail is going nowhere. =
</FONT><BR><FONT
face=arial color=#0000ff size=2>On the other side it's =
really-really-really
easy to manage, even easier (in my opinion) than NTmail (<A
href="http://www.ntmail.co.uk">www.ntmail.co.uk</A>) and iMail (<A =
href="http://www.iMail.com">www.iMail.com</A>). And, =
very-very
important, it is rock-solid. We hadn't any disruption of =
service ever!
(three years). The only times we had to "put it down" was =
because we
were mail-bombed by some sucker... anyway, it manages ok small =
amounts of
email (we have 200 accounts I beleive), but under severe =
circunstances it
dies.</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial color=#0000ff size=2>With so =
few email
accounts you might be tempted to get Worldmail for its simplicity, =
but
again, Worlmail seems to be goingo nowhere.</FONT><BR><FONT =
face=arial
color=#0000ff size=2>If you want anti-spam features, Worldmail =
has next to
nothing in this area, but since you will be getting email from a =
dial-up
account, there are no chances that a spammer might use your =
Worldmail server
for relaying.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Just
check NTmail and iMail features, just download the demos and check =
out the
zillion options they offer... NTmail even has its own scripting
language!! Just an idea.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT =
face=arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Hope this helps,</FONT><BR><FONT =
face=arial
color=#0000ff size=2>-Andrew McClymont</FONT>
<DL><FONT face=tahoma size=2>
<DD>-----Original Message-----
<DD>From:</B> John R. Hodal [<A =
href="mailto:jhodal@frisby-pmc dot com"
eudora="autourl">mailto:jhodal at frisby-pmc dot com</A>]
<DD>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:31 AM
<DD>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail
<DD>Subject:</B> Is WorldMail Recommended?<BR><BR></FONT>
<DD> I'm in charge of researching new email =
server
software and I'm interested in WorldMail. I see on previous =
posts
that worldmail has it's problems. I work in a company that =
will have
a max of 75 email users (about 50 internal email users and of that =
50,
about 15 will use internet (external) email also, the remainder, =
25, is
for later use) and we need several things:
<DD><FONT size=2>
<DD>1) We have our own domain and we need to be able to pull down =
email
from of our isp (I guess from one "community mailbox" for the =
entire
domain) and distribute it to the appropriate people in the =
building.
I already know WorldMail can do this.</FONT>
<DD><FONT size=2>
<DD>2) We need to be able to send internal email through WorldMail =
also. Now how does this work? Does WorldMail treat the =
internal mail the same way as external, meaning internal mail is =
uploaded
to the isp, downloaded from the isp, then distributed? Or =
can it
just send the mail to that person right away?</FONT>
<DD><FONT size=2>
<DD>3) I guess my overall question is "Would you recommand =
WorldMail for
our company?" I've looked into a few other programs like =
exchange
and was turned off by the complexity and price.</FONT>
<DD>
<DD>
<DD><FONT size=2>
<DD>Can you make any suggestions? </FONT><FONT size=2>
<DD>Thanks. You would be my hero.</FONT><FONT size=2>
<DD>John Hodal</FONT> </DD></DL></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Peter ~^..^~ =
Katz<BR>PKA
Technologies, Inc. <BR><BR><FONT color=#0000ff><I>Your Compaq =
Enterprise
Solution Provider<BR>From PalmTop to NonStop and Everything In
Between<BR><BR></I></FONT>1 Executive Boulevard<BR>Suite
#203<BR>Suffern, NY 10901<BR><BR><FONT
color=#ff0000><B>845-357-0170 voice<BR></B></FONT>800-486-6461
toll-free<BR>845-357-0130 fax<BR><FONT color=#ff0000><B>800-272-8154 =
pager
<BR>914-572-7328 cell phone </FONT><FONT color=#ff0000 size=1>(do =
not leave
messages)<BR></B></FONT>2728154 at skytel dot com (email =
pager)<BR>or
just click on <BR><FONT color=#0000ff><U><A
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From: John Tooley <jtooley at harvardwestlake dot com>
Subject: How to "webify" secure email
I am looking for a way to web-enable my WorldMail accounts.
I know several portals offer this as a service, but all my accounts (@400) require "secure" (CRAM-MD5 or APOP) authentication.
I hate the idea of clear-text passwords.
Any ideas?
John R. Tooley
Network Manager
Harvard-Westlake School
3700 Coldwater Canyon Ave.
Studio City, CA 91604
(818) 980-6692 x207
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:41:46 -0700
From: Richard Brown <rxbrown at bigfoot dot com>
Subject: Re: Is WorldMail Recommended?
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A bit of history first, The worldmail server software was originally
developed
by ISOCOR (a mail and directory services specialty company). Qualcomm
OEM'd the software and most of the isocor code is intact, the major
exception
was tweaks to the directory services to support the qualcomm eudora mail
client.
ISOCOR has since been purchased by critical path. Critical path
provides value
added internet services and was a large user of the ISOCOR products.
This in part accounts for some of the "lag" in developments for the
worldmail server.
However, ISOCOR software has gone thru many revisions past the Worldmail
code
base and Qualcomm has not kept pace ( read me thinks thier OEM agreement
comes into play here as well as cost (the isocor product is very
pricey!!!)). The software is excellent and I would recommend it to
anyone due to its reliability and the fact it is STANDARDS based
supporting POP3 and IMAP4 clients, SMTP and LDAP. The BIG question is
what does qualcomm plan to do? and what does critical path think of the
OEM agreement? Both companies have been VERY silent
on these points. That leads to a very large FUD (fear, uncertainty,
doubt) factor in the user community represented here. As someone
looking to purchase the product
new I would be asking qualcomm those questions! HEY how about a
petition from all us newgroup members on this point, I think we all
would like to know!
Richard Brown
"John R. Hodal" wrote:
> I'm in charge of researching new email server software and I'm
> interested in WorldMail. I see on previous posts that worldmail has
> it's problems. I work in a company that will have a max of 75 email
> users (about 50 internal email users and of that 50, about 15 will use
> internet (external) email also, the remainder, 25, is for later use)
> and we need several things: 1) We have our own domain and we need to
> be able to pull down email from of our isp (I guess from one
> "community mailbox" for the entire domain) and distribute it to the
> appropriate people in the building. I already know WorldMail can do
> this. 2) We need to be able to send internal email through WorldMail
> also. Now how does this work? Does WorldMail treat the internal mail
> the same way as external, meaning internal mail is uploaded to the
> isp, downloaded from the isp, then distributed? Or can it just send
> the mail to that person right away? 3) I guess my overall question is
> "Would you recommand WorldMail for our company?" I've looked into a
> few other programs like exchange and was turned off by the complexity
> and price. Can you make any suggestions?Thanks. You would be my
> hero.John Hodal
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A bit of history first, The worldmail server software was originally developed
<br>by ISOCOR (a mail and directory services specialty company).
Qualcomm
<br>OEM'd the software and most of the isocor code is intact, the major
exception
<br>was tweaks to the directory services to support the qualcomm eudora
mail client.
<br>ISOCOR has since been purchased by critical path. Critical path
provides value
<br>added internet services and was a large user of the ISOCOR products.
<br>This in part accounts for some of the "lag" in developments for the
worldmail server.
<br>However, ISOCOR software has gone thru many revisions past the Worldmail
code
<br>base and Qualcomm has not kept pace ( read me thinks thier OEM agreement
comes into play here as well as cost (the isocor product is very pricey!!!)).
The software is excellent and I would recommend it to anyone due to its
reliability and the fact it is STANDARDS based supporting POP3 and IMAP4
clients, SMTP and LDAP. The BIG question is what does qualcomm plan to
do? and what does critical path think of the OEM agreement?
Both companies have been VERY silent
<br>on these points. That leads to a very large FUD (fear, uncertainty,
doubt) factor in the user community represented here. As someone
looking to purchase the product
<br>new I would be asking qualcomm those questions! HEY how
about a petition from all us newgroup members on this point, I think we
all would like to know!
<p>Richard Brown
<p>"John R. Hodal" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>
I'm in charge of researching new email server software and I'm interested
in WorldMail. I see on previous posts that worldmail has it's problems.
I work in a company that will have a max of 75 email users (about 50 internal
email users and of that 50, about 15 will use internet (external) email
also, the remainder, 25, is for later use) and we need several things:</font></font> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>1)
We have our own domain and we need to be able to pull down email from of
our isp (I guess from one "community mailbox" for the entire domain) and
distribute it to the appropriate people in the building. I already
know WorldMail can do this.</font></font> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>2)
We need to be able to send internal email through WorldMail also.
Now how does this work? Does WorldMail treat the internal mail the
same way as external, meaning internal mail is uploaded to the isp, downloaded
from the isp, then distributed? Or can it just send the mail to that
person right away?</font></font> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>3)
I guess my overall question is "Would you recommand WorldMail for our company?"
I've looked into a few other programs like exchange and was turned off
by the complexity and price.</font></font> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Can
you make any suggestions?</font></font><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Thanks.
You would be my hero.</font></font><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>John
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:08:12 -0500 (EST)
From: "Douglas D. Anderson" <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Subject: Re: How to "webify" secure email
I also have a question along these lines, does anyone use/have a web based
e-mail interface running on their servers? I am assuming this would be an
additional server product I would stick on a web server that users can use
to access their WorldMail POP accounts away from the office? And if so,
can you give me any recommendations, or experiences.
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, John Tooley wrote:
> I am looking for a way to web-enable my WorldMail accounts.
> I know several portals offer this as a service, but all my accounts (@400) require "secure" (CRAM-MD5 or APOP) authentication.
> I hate the idea of clear-text passwords.
> Any ideas?
>
> John R. Tooley
> Network Manager
> Harvard-Westlake School
> 3700 Coldwater Canyon Ave.
> Studio City, CA 91604
> (818) 980-6692 x207
>
>
>
Douglas Anderson
dandersn at purdue dot edu
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:39:03 -0400
From: Greg Bullough <gwb at outofchaos dot com>
Subject: Re: Is WorldMail Recommended?
I've not been pleased with QUALCOMM's support commitment, either.
My pet example is that the entire Qualcomm company--- ---including
the WorldMail support staff, took the first Monday of Y2K, January
3rd, off. No coverage. Nothing. Nada.
We had a problem that day. Our management center stopped talking
to the server. Coincidence? They claim so. In any case, Qualcomm left us
hung out to dry. Left to our own devices, we fixed it ourselves, but only
by dint of removing EVERY TRACE of WorldMail from the NT box, including
editing out every registry entry by hand, and re-installing.
Qualcomm was totally unresponsive to feedback concerning our disappointment
at their leaving customers in the lurch on the first business day of Y2K.
Neither
their support management nor their Y2K center deigned to respond to our
concerns. Nothing. Nada.
In making a decision about a mission-critical product again, I wouldn't
use the Qualcomm product, because they just aren't there for their
customers. Rather, they have a sort of arrogant 'take it or leave it' attitude
once the purchase is made.
Perhaps Qualcomm's management is too busy spending their stock money
to keep their collective eye on the ball.
As a matter of fact, ALL Qualcomm products were unsupported on Jan 3,
2000. I'll look real hard at ANY Qualcomm product, given a choice between
it and a product where the company provides 365 day a year coverage.
Greg
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:24:00 -0700
From: Scott.Menke at wellpoint dot com
Subject: Strange address
I recently set up my church's Worldmail server and all is working well.
However, the email addresses are a little perplexing to me. While I would
expect "user@xyz.org" the addresses show as "user%xyz.org@servername.xyz dot org".
This appears in the POP Account Name field and occasionally in email headers,
but not in the From or Reply To fields. Has anyone seen this or know how to
fix this? It does not seem to cause any problems, it is just annoying.
Scott Menke
From: "Ian Homewood" <ianh at stanley.co dot uk>
Subject: Smart host routing problem
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:45:01 +0100
Hi
We have just discovered a problem in the way in which our Worldmail server
is routing between remote domains and would appreciate some help in
resolving it.
We are using smart host routing, not DNS and have our ISP set as the smart
host.
We have approximately 30 custom domains, corresponding to our remote sites
to which we can route directly.
When we submit a message with both 'to' and 'cc' recipients, the following
occurs:
If the 'to' recipient is a custom domain and the 'cc' recipient needs to be
routed via the smart host, everything works fine.
If the 'to' recipient needs to be routed via the smart host and the 'cc'
recipient is a custom domain, Worldmail attempts to route to both recipients
via the smart host. The ISP does not know of our custom domains and
therefore delivery fails.
We are using Worldmail v2.0.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Ian
**********************************************
From the desk of:
Ian Homewood
IT Controller
Stanley Leisure plc
Stanley House
151 Dale Street
Liverpool L2 2JW
Tel: 0151 237 6000
Fax: 0151 237 6194
Any views expressed in this email are not necessarily
those of the company or its Directors.
**********************************************
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:13:39 -0700
From: Garry Wiegand <squeezix at ithaca dot com>
Subject: Worldmail hangs on (barely) under Win2000
Hi all --
I've completed an upgrade of my main machine from WinNT to Win2000. I have
of course encountered abundant hardware problems and network problems and
OS problems along the way. But only one software package really gave me
grief. That one would be Worldmail, naturally. I've got three problems to
relate, and one-and-a-half solutions. I hope this message will save someone
else some pain.
Problem #1: The main "Eudora Worldmail" system service ("smtpd.exe")
absolutely would not start. No error code, no event log message, no
nothing. Just would not start. The ancillary Worldmail services started OK.
Solution: Each time the Windows TCP/IP protocol gets
installed/re-installed, Windows 2000 loses its setting for a value called
"Primary DNS Suffix". As far as I can tell, nothing in the world depends on
this value -- except, as I found out by trial and error, the "Eudora
Worldmail" service. As far as I can see, this dependency is not mentioned
anywhere in the Worldmail documentation. I have no idea what difference
having one domain name specially mentioned makes to Worldmail, since I have
Worldmail managing three different domains, none of which is "primary".
But, whatever, Worldmail must have a value in that field, or it dies silently.
To set the value, go to Start / Control Panel / System / Network
Identification / Properties / More... / "Primary DNS Suffix of this computer".
Problem #2: The main Worldmail service, once it got started, was unable to
look up any domain records. So it couldn't transmit any messages.
Specifically, every attempt to send a message through Worldmail would
receive the following message in the Worldmail SMTP log:
SMTP MX lookup for domain xxx.yyy temporarily failed.
and the message would be re-queued. I did not find any hint what
"temporarily failed" might actually mean. The Worldmail Trace shows:
SMTP: DNS soft error during MX record lookup
but nothing more. Meanwhile, my manual NSLookup's of the MX records would
all work just fine. The freeware domain name server I have my machine
pointed to is running right on the same machine as Worldmail, but that's
also the way I had things under WinNT. (I didn't need to touch the DNS
server during the upgrade.)
After wasting a lot of time, I tried using a telnet session directly to
port 4200 to talk to Worldmail, plus the documentation for the "SMTP
Management Command Language" in the Worldmail "Dynatext" manuals. I was
able to determine that A) Worldmail was no longer able to copy the
addresses of the domain name servers programmed into Windows, and B)
Worldmail was not willing to just ask Windows to do its domain name
resolution. With no domain servers, Worldmail was permanently (not
temporarily) unable to transmit any messages.
Workaround #1: Enable "Route via a smart relay host" and let a smater
machine handle all the outbound mail.
Workaround #2: The "SMTP Management Command Language" contains a command to
"temporarily" tell Worldmail the name of the system domain name server. So
I wrote a small program to thrust this information down Worldmail's throat,
and I arranged for this program to be run each time Worldmail is started.
Minor Problem #3: In the Worldmail Management Center, there's a menubar
entry just to the right of the "Connect" menubar item. The name of this
button varies: for example, when "Local Domains" is highlighted in the left
panel, the menu button up top will change to "Domain". Problem: if I am
foolish enough to click on that button -- whatever its name -- the
Management Center permanently freezes solid, and has to be killed off from
the Windows Task Manager.
Workaround: Don't push the button. I'm not sure if this behaviour was also
present under WinNT.
Hope this all helps someone. As ever, I'm in the market for a simple,
cheap, well-written SMTP/POP server for Windows, if anyone hears of one. It
does not need to have any bells or whistles or any GUI.
Garry
PS - It sure would be nice if Worldmail, when it has problems, could emit
meaningful, accurate, and complete error messages.
From: Garry Wiegand <squeezix at ithaca dot com>
Subject: Re: Is WorldMail Recommended?
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:45:22 -0700
Peter wrote:
>I've been watching the thread about Worldmail being a viable product. As=
>per your note, I looked up the Inscribe pages at
>http://www.cp.net/products/inscr_email_messaging_capbenefits.html and at=
>first glance it looks like a very viable alternative to Worldmail. Why
>didn't you also recommend it in addition to NTmail or iMail ? Is it a
>matter of cost ?
Most companies that produce SMTP server software assume that if you want =
to
run an SMTP server you must be quite a large company or corporation, and =
that
you are therefore be willing and able to pay $$$ for the necessary =
software.
They count on this willingness even though a basic SMTP/POP server, minus=
all
the frills, is actually a rather idiotically simple piece of software. =
The
10-user SMTP market is apparently not a very competitive one.
With respect to NTMail: I have heard it's a good product. But, for your =
10
users they would ask you to pay them $495. Four times as much as =
Worldmail.
Ouch.
With respect to iMail: Note, iMail does not live at www.imail.com, it's =
at
www.ipswitch.com/Products/IMail_Server. For your 10 users Ipswitch would =
ask
you to pay them $995. Eight times the 10-user price of Worldmail. Ouch!!
With respect to Insribe's product: I don't think you would even want to =
know
what they would charge you for your 10 users.
So...
Those of you who are using Worldmail for 200 users: just get yourselves a
Linux box and do things right. And very cheap, and very fixable.
Those of you, like me and Peter, who are using Worldmail for six or ten
users: I don't know what we can do. The pickings are slim.
I did recently discover something called "Merak Mail", www.merakmail.com.
They ask $240 for ten users (unlimited users, actually). That's merely =
double
the Worldmail price. Don't know if Merak Mail works properly and =
reliably,
but Tucows likes it.
Garry
From: "Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Subject: Re: Worldmail hangs on (barely) under Win2000
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:15:51 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry Wiegand" <squeezix at ithaca dot com>
To: "Subscribers of WorldMail" <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:13 AM
Subject: Worldmail hangs on (barely) under Win2000
> but nothing more. Meanwhile, my manual NSLookup's of the MX records would
> all work just fine. The freeware domain name server I have my machine
> pointed to is running right on the same machine as Worldmail, but that's
> also the way I had things under WinNT. (I didn't need to touch the DNS
> server during the upgrade.)
What freeware domain name server are you running? I am looking for
suggestions in this area. Thanks!
Greg Hickel
ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:20:32 -0500
From: Gabriel Caunt <gabe at rbdg dot com>
Subject: Re: Worldmail hangs on (barely) under Win2000
W2K changed the DNS entry's location in the registry, and a lot of mail software
including sendmail for NT (and Eudora Worldmail) look in the registry for the
location of the
DNS server's IP#.
Workaround:
check and fill in the following registry entries with the former values from your
WinNT machine:
1. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Domain
2. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Hostname
3.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Nameserver
4. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\NVDomain
5.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\NVHostname
Be sure to always backup first before messing with the registry!! I think that
setting item 3 (Nameserver) will allow your copy of Worldmail to again be able to
look up domain records. The Win2K installer leaves this entry blank after moving
the value to a new key in the registry. Good luck.
Gabriel Caunt
RUSS BERGER DESIGN GROUP
4006 Beltline Suite 160
Dallas, TX 75001
972/661-5222
972/934-3935 fax
www.rbdg.com
Garry Wiegand wrote:
> Hi all --
>
> I've completed an upgrade of my main machine from WinNT to Win2000...only one
> software package really gave me
> grief. ... Worldmail...
>
> Problem #1: The main "Eudora Worldmail" system service ("smtpd.exe")
> absolutely would not start. No error code, no event log message, no
> nothing. Just would not start. The ancillary Worldmail services started OK.
>
> Problem #2: The main Worldmail service, once it got started, was unable to
> look up any domain records. So it couldn't transmit any messages.
> Specifically, every attempt to send a message through Worldmail would
> receive the following message in the Worldmail SMTP log:
>
> SMTP MX lookup for domain xxx.yyy temporarily failed.
>
> and the message would be re-queued. I did not find any hint what
> "temporarily failed" might actually mean. The Worldmail Trace shows:
>
> SMTP: DNS soft error during MX record lookup
>
> but nothing more. Meanwhile, my manual NSLookup's of the MX records would
> all work just fine. The freeware domain name server I have my machine
> pointed to is running right on the same machine as Worldmail, but that's
> also the way I had things under WinNT. (I didn't need to touch the DNS
> server during the upgrade.)
>
> After wasting a lot of time, I tried using a telnet session directly to
> port 4200 to talk to Worldmail, plus the documentation for the "SMTP
> Management Command Language" in the Worldmail "Dynatext" manuals. I was
> able to determine that A) Worldmail was no longer able to copy the
> addresses of the domain name servers programmed into Windows, and B)
> Worldmail was not willing to just ask Windows to do its domain name
> resolution. With no domain servers, Worldmail was permanently (not
> temporarily) unable to transmit any messages.
>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:24:00 -0700
From: Scott.Menke at wellpoint dot com
Subject: Connection problem
I ran in to a problem last night, which I believes originates from WorldMail.
Recently, I successfully, and easily, set up 20+ Macintoshes and 1 Win98
machine to access WorldMail using Eudora Light. I did not have a problem with
a single user setup. Last night, I was configuring a new laptop for our
network. It uses Win98. I was able to get internet acces through the network,
and access to our servers. But I encountered problems with the email.
First, I tried to set it up using Netscape (all of the clients will move to
this shortly). After several attempts, I decided to go with Eudora Light since
I did that successfully many times. It did not work at first because I had the
wrong domain on the client. Once I fixed that, the email client tried to
connect but returned the error "Connection refused" with an error code of
either 1006 or 10006 (did not write it down!). I thought maybe because of my
unsuccessful attempts that WorldMail was blocking access. Since this was a
new account, I just deleted the account from WorldMail and created a new one.
But I received the same error. I reset the password to make sure that was not
the problem, but still no luck.
I went to the other Win98 machine and verified all of the settings (except
user info) were identical. The only difference I found was the working machine
does not authenticate to the network on startup, but the new laptop does. I
don't see how this would have any bearing on the issue, but the new laptop is
the only machine in the network that does so. The rest will soon when I have
the new server in place.
Any thoughts?
Scott Menke
Official Church Geek
Bible Fellowship Church, Ventura
From: Garry Wiegand <squeezix at ithaca dot com>
Subject: Re: Worldmail hangs on (barely) under Win2000
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:54:06 -0700
Gabriel Caunt wrote:
>Workaround:
>check and fill in the following registry entries with the former values =
from your
>WinNT machine:
>...
>3.
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Na=
meserver
>...
This is the particular one that my Win2K machine was upset about. =
Microsoft
moved its DNS server information down a level, so that it would be =
specific
for each network interface, which is a reasonable thing to have done. But=
it
makes Worldmail unhappy. But, if you manually fill out Gabriel's above =
value
(blank-separated list of TCP/IP addresses, specified either by name or by
dotted-quad number), Worldmail becomes happy again. Much easier than my
"temporary load" of the info into Worldmail every time I start it.
I was puzzled why Isocor had to go to all this trouble of inserting all =
this
DNS code into Worldmail, rather than just making the proper simple call =
to
Windows. But I see in the Windows docs that Windows doesn't appear to
-provide- any "proper simple call" to do the necessary thing. Score =
another
one for Bill Gates' team.
My thanks to Gabriel, and, my private thanks to Peter Martin too. Peter
mentions that my "Don't push that button!' problem has come up before on =
the
list, with the same work-around. :)
Greg Hickel wrote:
>What freeware domain name server are you running? I am looking for
>suggestions in this area. Thanks!
BIND 8.2.2. See www.nominum.com/resources/bind-faq.html. In the =
time-honored
Unix tradition, the config files are rather cryptic (as is the =
documentation)
but I was able to work it out. I get the impression that BIND is =
extremely
popular software package. The FAQ mentions the existence of the WinNT =
port,
which is what I downloaded. Not sure what OS you're running, but I can't
think of any strong reason why an NT port shouldn't also be able to run =
under
Win98/Win95. If there's a problem, the download does include source code.
(I did have one small problem with BIND during the Win2K upgrade: its
installed "DomainNmaeService" sometimes hung during boot. Working on
intuition, I rearranged so that that service would be manually started =
late
in the boot cycle, rather than automatically started early in the boot. =
And I
haven't had any trouble since.)
Garry
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 02:16:40 +0100
From: Mark Berry <mark at supportingit.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: Worldmail hangs on (barely) under Win2000
At 01:54 15/07/2000, you wrote:
>Gabriel Caunt wrote:
> >Workaround:
> >check and fill in the following registry entries with the former values
> from your
> >WinNT machine:
> >...
> >3.
> >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Nam
> eserver
> >...
My problem is with running 2k as a domain server with the new active
directory. As long as Worldmail, which I just bought, is installed, active
directory just dies on startup, completely. Is anyone successfully running
a pdc with worldmail?
From: "Philip K. Dunn" <pkdunn at hoptechno dot com>
Subject: Message Relaying
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:00:57 -0500
It looks like a bug from here.
As far as I can see, if you set an external IP to allow access in Message
Relaying, any client trying to send mail
from that allowed IP via Worldmail server fails with 553 Relaying not
allowed.
The only IPs that can use SMTP in Message Relaying must be on the local
server (domain?).
Can anyone confirm/deny?
Phil Dunn
http://www.ezweddingplanner.com
http://www.hoptechno.com
From: "Anderson, Bill" <wander01 at mail.state.mo dot us>
Subject: WorldMail Distribution List Welcome Messages
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:00:39 -0500
A while ago, I received an e-mail from Eudora support that says "Make sure
that under the Automatic Management tab of the list configuration that you
have not specified a Welcome message location. There are known issues with
the welcome message and it should not be used."
Does anyone know if this problem has been solved? My clients really would
like to use welcome messages.
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:12:15 -0400
From: Peter Katz <peter.katz at pkatech dot com>
Subject: Worldmail and MS Proxy Server 2.0
Anyone have a cheat sheet for running Worldmail under MS Proxy Server 2.0 ?
We're having a lot of difficulty with making it work and of course there's
no documentation that refers to non-MS products ? I would appreciate some
tips and tricks and pointers to knowledge base entries that explain the
process. We're specifically having problems with the POP3 and SMTP
ports...I'm toying with the idea that the relay mail server from my ISP has
to be changed to hit the proxy I/P address, not the Worldmail server
address. Any comments anyone ?
Thanks, Peter
Peter ~^..^~ Katz @ PKA Technologies, Inc.
- Your Authorized Compaq Platinum Enterprise VAR -
From PalmTop to NonStop and Everything In Between !!
1 Executive Blvd.
Suite 203
Suffern, NY 10901
(845)357-0170 voice
(845)357-0130 fax
(800)272-8154 pager
(845)572-7328 cell phone - (do not leave messages)
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or send a brief email to: 2728154 at skytel dot com
or just click on
http://www.skytel.com/Paging/pageme.cgi?pin=2728154,1
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:25:35 -0400
From: "Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly at sso dot org>
Subject: No transport provider available
Worldmail users,
A number of our e-mail users run MS Outlook as their e-mail software.
These same users frequently send e-mail messages to large lists of
people. What happnes on a regular basis is that a message is sent to
the group and WorldMail sends back a message that says, "No transport
provider available". Tthis only happens with Outlook. Does anyone have
a fix for this?
Thank you. Mary Kelly
--
Mary A. Kelly
State Service Organization Library
444 N. Capitol St. NW #337, Washington, DC 20001
202 624-5487/ mkelly at sso dot org
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Worldmail and MS Proxy Server 2.0
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:06:55 +0100
I don't have specific experience of the MS-Proxy Server - but if you have to
have something else on the same machine and you have to give this
application the SMTP/POP3/IMAP4 ports then ... you can change the ports used
by WorldMail by adding entries to the registry.
I don't run WorldMail - so I can't give you an absolute reference - but
basically check the on-line documentation that covers the registry and look
for SMTPPort, IMAP4Port and POP3Port.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Katz [mailto:peter.katz at pkatech dot com]
Sent: 21 July 2000 06:12
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Worldmail and MS Proxy Server 2.0
Anyone have a cheat sheet for running Worldmail under MS Proxy Server 2.0 ?
We're having a lot of difficulty with making it work and of course there's
no documentation that refers to non-MS products ? I would appreciate some
tips and tricks and pointers to knowledge base entries that explain the
process. We're specifically having problems with the POP3 and SMTP
ports...I'm toying with the idea that the relay mail server from my ISP has
to be changed to hit the proxy I/P address, not the Worldmail server
address. Any comments anyone ?
Thanks, Peter
Peter ~^..^~ Katz @ PKA Technologies, Inc.
- Your Authorized Compaq Platinum Enterprise VAR -
From PalmTop to NonStop and Everything In Between !!
1 Executive Blvd.
Suite 203
Suffern, NY 10901
(845)357-0170 voice
(845)357-0130 fax
(800)272-8154 pager
(845)572-7328 cell phone - (do not leave messages)
pkapeter - AOL IM
or send a brief email to: 2728154 at skytel dot com
or just click on
http://www.skytel.com/Paging/pageme.cgi?pin=2728154,1
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: No transport provider available
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:06:54 +0100
I think that the "No transport provider available" is coming from within
Outlook itself (the MAPI transport provider - assuming your desktops are in
MAPI mode (Corporate) and not native POP3/IMAP (Internet mode).
What seems to happen under MAPI is that if the SMTP submission to the mail
server gets rejected by the mail server then MAPI decides that this
connection cannot be used and looks for the "next" available transport
provider .. and you don't have one ... so "No transport provider available".
If you run ISOTRACE while the message is being submitted (SMTP/Verbose) you
will probably see an error being returned by the mail server for one
recipient.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Mary A. Kelly [mailto:mkelly at sso dot org]
Sent: 21 July 2000 15:26
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: No transport provider available
Worldmail users,
A number of our e-mail users run MS Outlook as their e-mail software.
These same users frequently send e-mail messages to large lists of
people. What happnes on a regular basis is that a message is sent to
the group and WorldMail sends back a message that says, "No transport
provider available". Tthis only happens with Outlook. Does anyone have
a fix for this?
Thank you. Mary Kelly
--
Mary A. Kelly
State Service Organization Library
444 N. Capitol St. NW #337, Washington, DC 20001
202 624-5487/ mkelly at sso dot org
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:47:42 -0700
From: William Hultman <whultman at home dot com>
Subject: RE: Worldmail and MS Proxy Server 2.0
Or you can try going to <http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1419hq.html>
and follow the directions there for changing port numbers.
Bill
At 11:06 AM 7/23/00 +0100, you wrote:
>I don't have specific experience of the MS-Proxy Server - but if you have to
>have something else on the same machine and you have to give this
>application the SMTP/POP3/IMAP4 ports then ... you can change the ports used
>by WorldMail by adding entries to the registry.
>
>I don't run WorldMail - so I can't give you an absolute reference - but
>basically check the on-line documentation that covers the registry and look
>for SMTPPort, IMAP4Port and POP3Port.
>
>Paul
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Katz [mailto:peter.katz at pkatech dot com]
>Sent: 21 July 2000 06:12
>To: Subscribers of WorldMail
>Subject: Worldmail and MS Proxy Server 2.0
>
>
>Anyone have a cheat sheet for running Worldmail under MS Proxy Server 2.0 ?
>We're having a lot of difficulty with making it work and of course there's
>no documentation that refers to non-MS products ? I would appreciate some
>tips and tricks and pointers to knowledge base entries that explain the
>process. We're specifically having problems with the POP3 and SMTP
>ports...I'm toying with the idea that the relay mail server from my ISP has
>to be changed to hit the proxy I/P address, not the Worldmail server
>address. Any comments anyone ?
>Thanks, Peter
>
> Peter ~^..^~ Katz @ PKA Technologies, Inc.
>
>- Your Authorized Compaq Platinum Enterprise VAR -
> From PalmTop to NonStop and Everything In Between !!
>
>1 Executive Blvd.
>Suite 203
>Suffern, NY 10901
>
>(845)357-0170 voice
>(845)357-0130 fax
>(800)272-8154 pager
>(845)572-7328 cell phone - (do not leave messages)
>pkapeter - AOL IM
>or send a brief email to: 2728154 at skytel dot com
>or just click on
>http://www.skytel.com/Paging/pageme.cgi?pin=2728154,1
William B. Hultman
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From: "Art Lazanoff" <art at parrotbyte dot com>
Subject: RE: Worldmail and MS Proxy Server 2.0
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:04:30 -0700
Hi,
I've been running proxy server 2.0 and worldmail for more than a year with
no need to change port numbers. It would be helpful to get a better
description of the problems seen.
From a single client on a win98 system where I've got proxy client
installed, I can access both worldmail accounts and an ISP POP3 server. The
latter requires enabling the SMTP and POP3 ports within proxy server. The
win98 system talks to the winNT system on an intranet.
Art
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hultman [mailto:whultman at home dot com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 1:48 PM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: RE: Worldmail and MS Proxy Server 2.0
>
>
> Or you can try going to
> <http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1419hq.html>
> and follow the directions there for changing port numbers.
>
> Bill
>
> At 11:06 AM 7/23/00 +0100, you wrote:
> >I don't have specific experience of the MS-Proxy Server - but if
> you have to
> >have something else on the same machine and you have to give this
> >application the SMTP/POP3/IMAP4 ports then ... you can change
> the ports used
> >by WorldMail by adding entries to the registry.
> >
> >I don't run WorldMail - so I can't give you an absolute reference - but
> >basically check the on-line documentation that covers the
> registry and look
> >for SMTPPort, IMAP4Port and POP3Port.
> >
> >Paul
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Peter Katz [mailto:peter.katz at pkatech dot com]
> >Sent: 21 July 2000 06:12
> >To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> >Subject: Worldmail and MS Proxy Server 2.0
> >
> >
> >Anyone have a cheat sheet for running Worldmail under MS Proxy
> Server 2.0 ?
> >We're having a lot of difficulty with making it work and of
> course there's
> >no documentation that refers to non-MS products ? I would appreciate some
> >tips and tricks and pointers to knowledge base entries that explain the
> >process. We're specifically having problems with the POP3 and SMTP
> >ports...I'm toying with the idea that the relay mail server from
> my ISP has
> >to be changed to hit the proxy I/P address, not the Worldmail server
> >address. Any comments anyone ?
> >Thanks, Peter
> >
> > Peter ~^..^~ Katz @ PKA Technologies, Inc.
> >
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>
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> It appears that my cats have learned to type."
>
>
> "Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important
> stuff on
> ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it..."
>
>
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:45:06 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com>
Subject: Re: Smart host routing problem
At 9:45 AM +0100 7/12/00, Ian Homewood wrote:
> If the 'to' recipient needs to be routed via the smart host and the 'cc'
> recipient is a custom domain, Worldmail attempts to route to both recipients
> via the smart host. The ISP does not know of our custom domains and
> therefore delivery fails.
As a temporary work-around, have your ISP create MX records in its
DNS for your custom domains, pointing at the mail hosts on those
domains.
--
Randall Gellens
rg=public.1 at worldmail1.qualcomm dot com
Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:08:43 -0500
From: Matt Schwartz <matt at deep-thought dot com>
Subject: errors on incoming & outgoing mail
I have some users getting errors on both mail incoming and mail outgoing.
One user received the following message when sending outgoing mail
(galaxy.thinksmart.net is our mail server)
> ----- The following recipients were processed by MTA
galaxy.thinksmart.net ...
>
> rquillin at mediaone dot net; Action: Failed; Status: 5.3.0 (other or undefined
mail system status)
Another user had people receive this message when trying to send e-mail to
her (incoming mail)
> ----- The following recipients were processed by MTA galaxy.thinksmart.net
...
> sheri at terilingerie dot com; Action: Failed; Status: 4.2.0 (other or undefined
> mailbox status)
Can anybody help me out? What does the "other or undefined mailbox status)
error mean? What is error 5.3.0 or 4.2.0. I tried searching the Eudora
Knowledgebase but found nothing mentioning either of these errors. Any
help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Sincerely,
Matt Schwartz
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Matthew J. Schwartz
mailto:matt at deep-thought dot com
http://www.deep-thought.com
Deep Thought Computing, Inc.
1350 Remington Road, Suite S
Schaumburg, IL 60173
847-781-9186
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:37:00 -0700
From: Scott.Menke at wellpoint dot com
Subject: Win98 Clients
I have a problem that I cannot seem to resolve. I am running WorldMail 2.0.
Most of my clients are on Macintoshes, and I set them all up successfully
using Eudora Lite. I set up the one existing Win98 client with no problems
using the same client software. Now, I have two new laptops that run Win98. I
used the exact same procedures to set them up, but both of them get
"Connection Refused 10061".
I searched on this and found that under Advanced Network I should increase the
timeout value, decrease the buffer size, and clear the cache option. But this
did not help. Any suggestions???
FYI: The only differences between the working and non-working Win98 clients is
that the working one does not authenticate to the Win NT server on startup,
whereas the non-working ones do.
Scott Menke
Senior Programmer/Analyst
Blue Cross of California, CallCenter Technologies
(805) 480-8366
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:32:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "Douglas D. Anderson" <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Subject: Re: errors on incoming & outgoing mail
I had an eror similar to this once when submitting mail to a certain
domain, i tracked it down by running the WorldMail trace utility, it ended
up that a DNS MX record request from my mail server fo that domain was
failing, it ended up that their DNS settings were all goofed up then and I
notified them and it was fixed.
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Matt Schwartz wrote:
> I have some users getting errors on both mail incoming and mail outgoing.
>
> One user received the following message when sending outgoing mail
> (galaxy.thinksmart.net is our mail server)
>
> > ----- The following recipients were processed by MTA
> galaxy.thinksmart.net ...
> >
> > rquillin at mediaone dot net; Action: Failed; Status: 5.3.0 (other or undefined
> mail system status)
>
> Another user had people receive this message when trying to send e-mail to
> her (incoming mail)
>
> > ----- The following recipients were processed by MTA galaxy.thinksmart.net
> ...
> > sheri at terilingerie dot com; Action: Failed; Status: 4.2.0 (other or undefined
> > mailbox status)
>
>
> Can anybody help me out? What does the "other or undefined mailbox status)
> error mean? What is error 5.3.0 or 4.2.0. I tried searching the Eudora
> Knowledgebase but found nothing mentioning either of these errors. Any
> help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sincerely,
> Matt Schwartz
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Matthew J. Schwartz
> mailto:matt at deep-thought dot com
> http://www.deep-thought.com
> Deep Thought Computing, Inc.
> 1350 Remington Road, Suite S
> Schaumburg, IL 60173
> 847-781-9186
>
Douglas Anderson
dandersn at purdue dot edu
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:56:48 -0500 (EST)
From: "Douglas D. Anderson" <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Subject: Re: Win98 Clients
Sounds like the TCP/IP is goofing up, I would try using Telnet, run it
then Connect to your WorldMail server, but in the port field type in 110
(POP Port) then click connect. If you get a WorldMail POP Server Ready,
OK prompt, then not sure, however I bet that you cannot even connect to
it, probably cannot not even ping it. In that case I would remove all of
the networking components from that pc then re-install, this will delete
any corrupt network settings. Also make sure you do not have any
connection restriction settings at your WorldMail server.
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 Scott.Menke at wellpoint dot com wrote:
> I have a problem that I cannot seem to resolve. I am running WorldMail 2.0.
> Most of my clients are on Macintoshes, and I set them all up successfully
> using Eudora Lite. I set up the one existing Win98 client with no problems
> using the same client software. Now, I have two new laptops that run Win98. I
> used the exact same procedures to set them up, but both of them get
> "Connection Refused 10061".
>
> I searched on this and found that under Advanced Network I should increase the
> timeout value, decrease the buffer size, and clear the cache option. But this
> did not help. Any suggestions???
>
> FYI: The only differences between the working and non-working Win98 clients is
> that the working one does not authenticate to the Win NT server on startup,
> whereas the non-working ones do.
>
>
>
> Scott Menke
> Senior Programmer/Analyst
> Blue Cross of California, CallCenter Technologies
> (805) 480-8366
>
Douglas Anderson
dandersn at purdue dot edu
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:41:15 -0400
From: "Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly at sso dot org>
Subject: Re: errors on incoming & outgoing mail
The codes that you inquire, 5.3.0 & 4.2.0 are the Enhanced Mail System Status
Codes. An explanation of these codes can be found at
http://www.faqs/rfc/rfc1893.html The explanation of the codes is rather terse and
does not give alot of information but it is good to have basic understanding of
the each of the digits in the 3 digit code. That information is found on the web
page above.
"Douglas D. Anderson" wrote:
> I had an eror similar to this once when submitting mail to a certain
> domain, i tracked it down by running the WorldMail trace utility, it ended
> up that a DNS MX record request from my mail server fo that domain was
> failing, it ended up that their DNS settings were all goofed up then and I
> notified them and it was fixed.
>
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Matt Schwartz wrote:
>
> > I have some users getting errors on both mail incoming and mail outgoing.
> >
> > One user received the following message when sending outgoing mail
> > (galaxy.thinksmart.net is our mail server)
> >
> > > ----- The following recipients were processed by MTA
> > galaxy.thinksmart.net ...
> > >
> > > rquillin at mediaone dot net; Action: Failed; Status: 5.3.0 (other or undefined
> > mail system status)
> >
> > Another user had people receive this message when trying to send e-mail to
> > her (incoming mail)
> >
> > > ----- The following recipients were processed by MTA galaxy.thinksmart.net
> > ...
> > > sheri at terilingerie dot com; Action: Failed; Status: 4.2.0 (other or undefined
> > > mailbox status)
> >
> >
> > Can anybody help me out? What does the "other or undefined mailbox status)
> > error mean? What is error 5.3.0 or 4.2.0. I tried searching the Eudora
> > Knowledgebase but found nothing mentioning either of these errors. Any
> > help is greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Matt Schwartz
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Matthew J. Schwartz
> > mailto:matt at deep-thought dot com
> > http://www.deep-thought.com
> > Deep Thought Computing, Inc.
> > 1350 Remington Road, Suite S
> > Schaumburg, IL 60173
> > 847-781-9186
> >
>
> Douglas Anderson
> dandersn at purdue dot edu
--
Mary A. Kelly
State Service Organization Library
444 N. Capitol St. NW #337, Washington, DC 20001
202 624-5487/ mkelly at sso dot org
From: "Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Subject: Re: errors on incoming & outgoing mail
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:39:09 -0500
Try this link instead:
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/htbin/rfc/rfc1893.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary A. Kelly" <mkelly at sso dot org>
To: "Douglas D. Anderson" <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Cc: "Matt Schwartz" <matt at deep-thought dot com>; "Subscribers of WorldMail"
<worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: errors on incoming & outgoing mail
> The codes that you inquire, 5.3.0 & 4.2.0 are the Enhanced Mail System
Status
> Codes. An explanation of these codes can be found at
> http://www.faqs/rfc/rfc1893.html The explanation of the codes is rather
terse and
> does not give alot of information but it is good to have basic
understanding of
> the each of the digits in the 3 digit code. That information is found on
the web
> page above.
>
> "Douglas D. Anderson" wrote:
>
> > I had an eror similar to this once when submitting mail to a certain
> > domain, i tracked it down by running the WorldMail trace utility, it
ended
> > up that a DNS MX record request from my mail server fo that domain was
> > failing, it ended up that their DNS settings were all goofed up then and
I
> > notified them and it was fixed.
> >
> > On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Matt Schwartz wrote:
> >
> > > I have some users getting errors on both mail incoming and mail
outgoing.
> > >
> > > One user received the following message when sending outgoing mail
> > > (galaxy.thinksmart.net is our mail server)
> > >
> > > > ----- The following recipients were processed by MTA
> > > galaxy.thinksmart.net ...
> > > >
> > > > rquillin at mediaone dot net; Action: Failed; Status: 5.3.0 (other or
undefined
> > > mail system status)
> > >
> > > Another user had people receive this message when trying to send
e-mail to
> > > her (incoming mail)
> > >
> > > > ----- The following recipients were processed by MTA
galaxy.thinksmart.net
> > > ...
> > > > sheri at terilingerie dot com; Action: Failed; Status: 4.2.0 (other or
undefined
> > > > mailbox status)
> > >
> > >
> > > Can anybody help me out? What does the "other or undefined mailbox
status)
> > > error mean? What is error 5.3.0 or 4.2.0. I tried searching the
Eudora
> > > Knowledgebase but found nothing mentioning either of these errors.
Any
> > > help is greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Matt Schwartz
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Matthew J. Schwartz
> > > mailto:matt at deep-thought dot com
> > > http://www.deep-thought.com
> > > Deep Thought Computing, Inc.
> > > 1350 Remington Road, Suite S
> > > Schaumburg, IL 60173
> > > 847-781-9186
> > >
> >
> > Douglas Anderson
> > dandersn at purdue dot edu
>
> --
> Mary A. Kelly
> State Service Organization Library
> 444 N. Capitol St. NW #337, Washington, DC 20001
> 202 624-5487/ mkelly at sso dot org
>
>
From: "Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Subject: N-PLEX API Software Development Kit
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:21:51 -0500
Does anyone know where I can currently download the N-PLEX API Software
Development Kit? If not, does anyone have a copy that they would not mind
sharing with me? Thanks!
Greg Hickel
ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:44:10 +0100
From: Mike <mike at barlow dot net>
Subject: Sub-domain troubles.
Hi,
I wonder if anyone can help with my problem?
We have Worldmail 2 (newly installed).
My domain is "xxxx-group.com", and I have set this up in Worldmail under
local domains
However, the e-mail addresses for all my users contain
subdomains, eg:
user1 at xxxx.xxxx-group dot com
user2 at xxx.xxxx-group dot com
user3 at xxx.xxxx-group dot com
and so on (6 subdomains in total)
From Eudora, I can send a message to user1 at xxxx-group dot com, but when I try
to send a message to user1 at xxx.xxxx-group dot com
it just disappears into the ether (presumably because I have not yet
connected the mailserver to the internet and it is trying to route
these subdomains externally?)
This is a problem because
a) when replying to an internal message, Eudora client is using the 'reply
to' address as specified in the options as e.g.
"user1@xxx.xxxx-group dot com" so replies are not being routed internally properly
b) I imagine that once I connect to the internet, incoming messages to e.g.
"user1@xxx.xxxx-group dot com" will have the same problems mapping themselves
to the "user1@xxxx-group dot com" account.
I've tried setting up a custom domain but this doesn't seem to have solved
the problem.
I am sure there must be a way to deal with subdomains somewhere...(QC site
doesn't go into too much detail, and the Dynatext manual is confusing me
further).
Sorry to seem so thick--but I am rapidly getting more and more confused!
Thanks for all your help.
Mike.
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:37:07 +0100
From: Mike <mike at barlow dot net>
Subject: Some further WM problems.
Hello again,
Sorry to be such a pain!
After having had my Local domain problems (Thanks Ian!) solved, and
everything running OK for the last 3 days under IMAP connections, I am
having the following troubles:
Previously, when using the 'test mail routing' feature, found by
right-clicking Internet Mail, and entering a full address of a local user and
clicking 'Check Route' , this had come up with 'mailbox delivered...' or
some similar message.
Now, however, I get the message 'RELAY xxxxmailserver.xxxx-group'
I'm sure this has something to do with why I can't logon to my IMAP
mailboxes from my clients as the error message I get here is : 'wrong
message store, please connect to xxxxmailserver.xxxx-group' even though the
IP number I have entered for my incoming and outgoing mail servers IS the
xxxxmailserver machine.
When I enter 'xxxxmailserver.xxxx-group.com' or 'xxxxmailserver.xxxx-group'
as the server names, I get an error message about host not found.
Any ideas as to what on earth is going on would be much appreciated.
Incidentally, I also lost all my icons under Internet mail! I solved
this problem - when Iright clicked on Internet Mail, it gave me an option
for 'manager connection'. When I clicked this and entered the password I
use to startup the Manager application, it let me in - it's not asked me
for this before though - strange!! - is this any indication of what's going
wrong?
Again, thanks for your help.
Mike.
From: "Ian Homewood" <ianh at stanley.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Some further WM problems.
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:51:36 +0100
Mike
As far as I am aware, WorldMail reports:
'Delivered' for any local domains.
'Alias' for local aliases
'Static Route' for all such routes in custom domains
'Relay' for a smart host through which unknown domains are being routed.
Your IMAP or POP users will have to log on to the specific local (sub)
domain under which they are configured, e.g. ian at sub.stanley.co dot uk, rather
than ian at stanley.co dot uk. We set the email account up like this and have the
reply address to the main domain, with aliases taking care of the internal
routing.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Ian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike [mailto:mike at barlow dot net]
> Sent: 23 August 2000 16:37
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Some further WM problems.
>
>
> Hello again,
>
> Sorry to be such a pain!
>
> After having had my Local domain problems (Thanks Ian!) solved, and
> everything running OK for the last 3 days under IMAP
> connections, I am
> having the following troubles:
>
>
> Previously, when using the 'test mail routing' feature, found by
> right-clicking Internet Mail, and entering a full address of
> a local user and
> clicking 'Check Route' , this had come up with 'mailbox
> delivered...' or
> some similar message.
> Now, however, I get the message 'RELAY xxxxmailserver.xxxx-group'
>
> I'm sure this has something to do with why I can't logon to my IMAP
> mailboxes from my clients as the error message I get here is : 'wrong
> message store, please connect to xxxxmailserver.xxxx-group'
> even though the
> IP number I have entered for my incoming and outgoing mail
> servers IS the
> xxxxmailserver machine.
> When I enter 'xxxxmailserver.xxxx-group.com' or
> 'xxxxmailserver.xxxx-group'
> as the server names, I get an error message about host not found.
>
> Any ideas as to what on earth is going on would be much appreciated.
>
> Incidentally, I also lost all my icons under Internet mail! I solved
> this problem - when Iright clicked on Internet Mail, it gave
> me an option
> for 'manager connection'. When I clicked this and entered the
> password I
> use to startup the Manager application, it let me in - it's
> not asked me
> for this before though - strange!! - is this any indication
> of what's going
> wrong?
>
> Again, thanks for your help.
>
> Mike.
>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:26:00 -0700
From: Scott.Menke at wellpoint dot com
Subject: RE: Some further WM problems.
Can't help with the first problem. The second issue has to do with how you
logon to your server. I have 2 different NT admin accounts. I installed
WorldMail under ID1. If I logon to the server using ID2 (my default) I cannot
see the worldmail icons. You must log into WorldMail with a valid Manager
password. If I remember correctly, WorldMail installs in NT under the profile
of the user installing it, which makes it not appear on the Start menu for
other users. I had to manually move the group to be accessible to all users.
I personally do not like that...any NT service by default should be
accessible to anyone logging onto the server.
Scott Menke
-----Original Message-----
From: mike at barlow dot net
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:35 AM
To: worldmail at lists.pensive dot org
Subject: Some further WM problems.
Hello again,
Sorry to be such a pain!
After having had my Local domain problems (Thanks Ian!) solved, and
everything running OK for the last 3 days under IMAP connections, I am
having the following troubles:
Previously, when using the 'test mail routing' feature, found by
right-clicking Internet Mail, and entering a full address of a local user and
clicking 'Check Route' , this had come up with 'mailbox delivered...' or
some similar message.
Now, however, I get the message 'RELAY xxxxmailserver.xxxx-group'
I'm sure this has something to do with why I can't logon to my IMAP
mailboxes from my clients as the error message I get here is : 'wrong
message store, please connect to xxxxmailserver.xxxx-group' even though the
IP number I have entered for my incoming and outgoing mail servers IS the
xxxxmailserver machine.
When I enter 'xxxxmailserver.xxxx-group.com' or 'xxxxmailserver.xxxx-group'
as the server names, I get an error message about host not found.
Any ideas as to what on earth is going on would be much appreciated.
Incidentally, I also lost all my icons under Internet mail! I solved
this problem - when Iright clicked on Internet Mail, it gave me an option
for 'manager connection'. When I clicked this and entered the password I
use to startup the Manager application, it let me in - it's not asked me
for this before though - strange!! - is this any indication of what's going
wrong?
Again, thanks for your help.
Mike.
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:53:38 +0100
From: Mike <mike at barlow dot net>
Subject: RE: Some further WM problems.
Ian Homewood wrote:
>Your IMAP or POP users will have to log on to the specific local (sub)
>domain under which they are configured, e.g. ian at sub.stanley.co dot uk, rather
>than ian at stanley.co dot uk. We set the email account up like this and have the
>reply address to the main domain, with aliases taking care of the internal
>routing.
Your sagacious advice worked yet again Ian: Though the existing accounts
still appear to be setup correctly as your advice indicates, when I setup a
new mailbox for 'test' user, this did the rick when all other accounts
failed. Very strange.
Many thanks to you Ian, and to the other subscriber who wrote on solving
the issue of 'Invisible Internet Mail' icons!
I am having one of our chaps check it out right now--I wondered if there
had been 2 instances of the management centre inadvertently installed by
us?? Maybe that was the cause, thereby making one a guest (invisible) and
the other the 'as installed originally'??
Anyway, a great big thank you for such freely given and spot on
advice--much appreciated.
Mike.
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:23:38 -0400
From: Ron Hiner <rhiner at softstone dot net>
Subject: WM login problem
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
Hello --
I added another domain to my WM server, then I added a user account on that
domain.
When I log into the user account (from Eudora client) I get an error
message "Invalid user or password".
The server records the following in its IMS log - "Cannot get object class
for registry entry error 0"
I've double-checked and triple checked that the passwords are in sync, as
well as the rest of the client parameters -- but I can't pick up mail from
this new user account.
I even went so far as to delete the new domain from WM and re-add it. No
change in results.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Ron Hiner
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Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
<html>
<font size=3><br>
Hello --<br>
<br>
I added another domain to my WM server, then I added a user account on
that domain.<br>
<br>
When I log into the user account (from Eudora client) I get an error
message "Invalid user or password". <br>
<br>
The server records the following in its IMS log - "Cannot get object
class for registry entry error 0"<br>
<br>
I've double-checked and triple checked that the passwords are in sync, as
well as the rest of the client parameters -- but I can't pick up mail
from this new user account.<br>
<br>
I even went so far as to delete the new domain from WM and re-add
it. No change in results.<br>
<br>
Any ideas?<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance<br>
<br>
Ron Hiner </font></html>
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From: "Gregory J. Hickel" <ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com>
Subject: Re: WM login problem
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:31:47 -0500
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Try setting up the POP client using a user of zzz at newdomain dot com instead =
of just zzz. Worldmail seems to require this when multiple domains are =
being operated.
Greg Hickel
ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Hiner
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:23 AM
Subject: WM login problem
Hello --
I added another domain to my WM server, then I added a user account on =
that domain.
When I log into the user account (from Eudora client) I get an error =
message "Invalid user or password".
The server records the following in its IMS log - "Cannot get object =
class for registry entry error 0"
I've double-checked and triple checked that the passwords are in sync, =
as well as the rest of the client parameters -- but I can't pick up mail =
from this new user account.
I even went so far as to delete the new domain from WM and re-add it. =
No change in results.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Ron Hiner
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Greg Hickel</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> WM login problem</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3><BR>Hello --<BR><BR>I added another =
domain to my
WM server, then I added a user account on that domain.<BR><BR>When I =
log into
the user account (from Eudora client) I get an error message "Invalid =
user or
password". <BR><BR>The server records the following in its IMS =
log -
"Cannot get object class for registry entry error 0"<BR><BR>I've
double-checked and triple checked that the passwords are in sync, as =
well as
the rest of the client parameters -- but I can't pick up mail from =
this new
user account.<BR><BR>I even went so far as to delete the new domain =
from WM
and re-add it. No change in results.<BR><BR>Any =
ideas?<BR><BR>Thanks in
advance<BR><BR>Ron Hiner </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: WM login problem
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:21:57 +0100
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You can also set your old original domain as the "Default Domain" so that
you do not have to change existing installed clients [i.e. so that no @
needed for that domain]
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory J. Hickel [mailto:ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com]
Sent: 24 August 2000 16:32
To: Ron Hiner; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Re: WM login problem
Try setting up the POP client using a user of zzz at newdomain dot com instead of
just zzz. Worldmail seems to require this when multiple domains are being
operated.
Greg Hickel
ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Hiner
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:23 AM
Subject: WM login problem
Hello --
I added another domain to my WM server, then I added a user account on
that domain.
When I log into the user account (from Eudora client) I get an error
message "Invalid user or password".
The server records the following in its IMS log - "Cannot get object class
for registry entry error 0"
I've double-checked and triple checked that the passwords are in sync, as
well as the rest of the client parameters -- but I can't pick up mail from
this new user account.
I even went so far as to delete the new domain from WM and re-add it. No
change in results.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Ron Hiner
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Gregory J. Hickel
[mailto:ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 24 August 2000
16:32<BR><B>To:</B> Ron Hiner; Subscribers of =
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
WM login problem<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Try setting up the POP client using a =
user of <A
href="mailto:zzz at newdomain dot com">zzz@newdomain dot com</A> instead of just =
zzz.
Worldmail seems to require this when multiple domains are being
operated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Greg Hickel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="mailto:ghickel at crowderscoggins dot com">ghickel@crowderscoggins dot com</=
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title=rhiner at softstone dot net>Ron Hiner</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 24, 2000 =
8:23
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> WM login problem</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3><BR>Hello --<BR><BR>I added another =
domain to my
WM server, then I added a user account on that domain.<BR><BR>When I =
log into
the user account (from Eudora client) I get an error message "Invalid =
user or
password". <BR><BR>The server records the following in its IMS =
log -
"Cannot get object class for registry entry error 0"<BR><BR>I've
double-checked and triple checked that the passwords are in sync, as =
well as
the rest of the client parameters -- but I can't pick up mail from =
this new
user account.<BR><BR>I even went so far as to delete the new domain =
from WM
and re-add it. No change in results.<BR><BR>Any =
ideas?<BR><BR>Thanks in
advance<BR><BR>Ron Hiner </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: <chris at ctay dot net>
Subject: create email account using bulkload
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:55:01 -0500
Can anyone give me a quick tip on creating a new email account using the
bulkload utility?
Thanks,
Chris Taylor
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:44:14 +0100
From: Mike <midimuso at cyberdude dot com>
Subject: Setting anti-relay measures
Hi,
I hope someone could help with the following? Many thanks.
My company has just recently (in the last 2 weeks) purchased Eudora
WorldMail 2 , installed it and begun to use it as our company mail server.
However after a couple of days spammers started using it to relay mail, so
I set the relay restrictions to only allow the mail server itself to relay
mail. The problem is we connect to the mail server through an ISP
connection, so our IP addresses change every time... so I cannot restrict
the relaying IP addresses to the ones we are using. Is there any way we
could be permitted to send mail while preventing spammers from relaying
mail (eg POP Authenticated SMTP)?
Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
Mike.
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:24:49 -0700
From: Phil Howitt <phil_h at ix.netcom dot com>
Subject: Reply.. setting anti-relay measures
Thanks, Mike, for writing about the spamming problem. I think we
have the same vulnerability.
But my question is: how do you know that spammers are relaying
through your server? What log file do you look at and what kind
of entries to look for?
We have been running Eudora Worldmail V.2 for the last few
months, otherwise satisfactorily, with about ten mailboxes
served.
Phil Howitt
Marvista Computing
www.Marvista.com
At 03:44 PM 8/27/2000 +0100, Mike wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I hope someone could help with the following? Many thanks.
>
>
>My company has just recently (in the last 2 weeks) purchased Eudora
>WorldMail 2 , installed it and begun to use it as our company mail server.
>However after a couple of days spammers started using it to relay mail, so
>I set the relay restrictions to only allow the mail server itself to relay
>mail. The problem is we connect to the mail server through an ISP
>connection, so our IP addresses change every time... so I cannot restrict
>the relaying IP addresses to the ones we are using. Is there any way we
>could be permitted to send mail while preventing spammers from relaying
>mail (eg POP Authenticated SMTP)?
>
>Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
>
>Mike.
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:28:09 -0400
From: Seymour Joseph <sjoseph at bciu.k12.pa dot us>
Subject: Re: Reply.. setting anti-relay measures
Phil, Mike,
My organization serves about 1,300 mailboxes with a worldmail server,
and I got an open relay warning from my ISP about 8 months after our
install. They referred me to a site called http://www.orbs.org
This is a group that keeps a database of mail servers that are open
relays, provides information about how to configure your system so it
isn't an open relay and allows you to test your work by having their
server try to send mail through yours.
Many organizations use the ORBS list as a "do not accept mail from"
list. Any server on the list can, and probably eventually will be used
by spammers to send junk mail and to combat spam, some domains simply
won't accept any incoming mail from hosts listed as open relays in the
ORBS database.
There is lots of good info on that site. Fortunately, the vast majority
of my customers come from known, fixed TCP/IP addresses and I could
easily set WorldMail up to only allow relaying from those, but it has
put a crimp in the funcitonality of people dialing up from home, or
travelling with services that don't provide fixed IP addresses.
I would like the product to somehow handle authentication for relay from
users outside our "known" internets, but haven't found a way to do so yet.
Good luck on securing your servers.
Seymour
Phil Howitt wrote:
>
> Thanks, Mike, for writing about the spamming problem. I think we
> have the same vulnerability.
>
> But my question is: how do you know that spammers are relaying
> through your server? What log file do you look at and what kind
> of entries to look for?
>
> We have been running Eudora Worldmail V.2 for the last few
> months, otherwise satisfactorily, with about ten mailboxes
> served.
>
> Phil Howitt
> Marvista Computing
> www.Marvista.com
>
> At 03:44 PM 8/27/2000 +0100, Mike wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I hope someone could help with the following? Many thanks.
> >
> >
> >My company has just recently (in the last 2 weeks) purchased Eudora
> >WorldMail 2 , installed it and begun to use it as our company mail server.
> >However after a couple of days spammers started using it to relay mail, so
> >I set the relay restrictions to only allow the mail server itself to relay
> >mail. The problem is we connect to the mail server through an ISP
> >connection, so our IP addresses change every time... so I cannot restrict
> >the relaying IP addresses to the ones we are using. Is there any way we
> >could be permitted to send mail while preventing spammers from relaying
> >mail (eg POP Authenticated SMTP)?
> >
> >Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
> >
> >Mike.
--
Seymour Joseph
Director, Technology Services
Bucks County Intermediate Unit #22
705 Shady Retreat Road
Doylestown, PA 18901
Phone (800)-770-4822 x1110
Fax: 215-489-7874
Email: sjoseph at bciu.k12.pa dot us
Web (BCIU): http://www.bciu.k12.pa.us
Web (Seymour): http://www.bciu.k12.pa.us/users/sjoseph/Welcome.htm
From: "Douglas Anderson" <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Subject: Re: Reply.. setting anti-relay measures
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:47:38 -0500
My solution to this problem is that external users use a package called
WebMail, basically they punch in a URl to check their e-mail from home, or
anywhere else. Works Good, I then have the general Worldmail anit-spam in
effect of relaying only from internal network IP's.
Two good webmail programs are Deerfield.com's WorldCLient and Infinite
Technologies webmail.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Seymour Joseph" <sjoseph at bciu.k12.pa dot us>
To: "Phil Howitt" <phil_h at ix.netcom dot com>
Cc: "Mike" <midimuso at cyberdude dot com>; "Subscribers of WorldMail"
<worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Reply.. setting anti-relay measures
> Phil, Mike,
>
> My organization serves about 1,300 mailboxes with a worldmail server,
> and I got an open relay warning from my ISP about 8 months after our
> install. They referred me to a site called http://www.orbs.org
>
> This is a group that keeps a database of mail servers that are open
> relays, provides information about how to configure your system so it
> isn't an open relay and allows you to test your work by having their
> server try to send mail through yours.
>
> Many organizations use the ORBS list as a "do not accept mail from"
> list. Any server on the list can, and probably eventually will be used
> by spammers to send junk mail and to combat spam, some domains simply
> won't accept any incoming mail from hosts listed as open relays in the
> ORBS database.
>
> There is lots of good info on that site. Fortunately, the vast majority
> of my customers come from known, fixed TCP/IP addresses and I could
> easily set WorldMail up to only allow relaying from those, but it has
> put a crimp in the funcitonality of people dialing up from home, or
> travelling with services that don't provide fixed IP addresses.
>
> I would like the product to somehow handle authentication for relay from
> users outside our "known" internets, but haven't found a way to do so yet.
>
> Good luck on securing your servers.
> Seymour
>
>
> Phil Howitt wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Mike, for writing about the spamming problem. I think we
> > have the same vulnerability.
> >
> > But my question is: how do you know that spammers are relaying
> > through your server? What log file do you look at and what kind
> > of entries to look for?
> >
> > We have been running Eudora Worldmail V.2 for the last few
> > months, otherwise satisfactorily, with about ten mailboxes
> > served.
> >
> > Phil Howitt
> > Marvista Computing
> > www.Marvista.com
> >
> > At 03:44 PM 8/27/2000 +0100, Mike wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >I hope someone could help with the following? Many thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >My company has just recently (in the last 2 weeks) purchased Eudora
> > >WorldMail 2 , installed it and begun to use it as our company mail
server.
> > >However after a couple of days spammers started using it to relay mail,
so
> > >I set the relay restrictions to only allow the mail server itself to
relay
> > >mail. The problem is we connect to the mail server through an ISP
> > >connection, so our IP addresses change every time... so I cannot
restrict
> > >the relaying IP addresses to the ones we are using. Is there any way we
> > >could be permitted to send mail while preventing spammers from relaying
> > >mail (eg POP Authenticated SMTP)?
> > >
> > >Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
> > >
> > >Mike.
>
> --
> Seymour Joseph
> Director, Technology Services
> Bucks County Intermediate Unit #22
> 705 Shady Retreat Road
> Doylestown, PA 18901
>
> Phone (800)-770-4822 x1110
> Fax: 215-489-7874
> Email: sjoseph at bciu.k12.pa dot us
> Web (BCIU): http://www.bciu.k12.pa.us
> Web (Seymour): http://www.bciu.k12.pa.us/users/sjoseph/Welcome.htm
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:55:05 -0700
From: Phil Howitt <phil_h at ix.netcom dot com>
Subject: Re: Reply.. setting anti-relay measures
Thanks very much for your message about ORBS.org. I had no idea
that the anti-spammers were so organized. The last thing I want
is for my server to get on that list.
The solution for me, I think, is just to set Worldmail to not
accept message relaying, via the security dialog box. My clients
who use a dial-up ISP will just have to use the ISP's SMTP server
for outgoing mail, instead of mine.
Appreciate your help.
From: "Ian Homewood" <ianh at stanley.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Setting anti-relay measures
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:31:57 +0100
You need to also restrict smtp access to only the ip address(es) used by
your ISP.
Even though your ip address changes each time, is it not within a particular
range which would allow you to use a subnet mask? You could also ask your
ISP to allocate you a static address; I am sure if you explain the problem
they will cooperate.
Regards
Ian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike [mailto:midimuso at cyberdude dot com]
> Sent: 27 August 2000 15:44
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Setting anti-relay measures
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I hope someone could help with the following? Many thanks.
>
>
> My company has just recently (in the last 2 weeks) purchased Eudora
> WorldMail 2 , installed it and begun to use it as our company
> mail server.
> However after a couple of days spammers started using it to
> relay mail, so
> I set the relay restrictions to only allow the mail server
> itself to relay
> mail. The problem is we connect to the mail server through an ISP
> connection, so our IP addresses change every time... so I
> cannot restrict
> the relaying IP addresses to the ones we are using. Is there
> any way we
> could be permitted to send mail while preventing spammers
> from relaying
> mail (eg POP Authenticated SMTP)?
>
> Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
>
> Mike.
>
From: "Ian Homewood" <ianh at stanley.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Reply.. setting anti-relay measures
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:33:18 +0100
If you check your smtp logs (we save 9 versions) you will see them full of
the same message going to (potentially) thousands of users. These will
probably start in the middle of the night.
Regards
Ian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Howitt [mailto:phil_h at ix.netcom dot com]
> Sent: 27 August 2000 21:25
> To: Mike; Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Reply.. setting anti-relay measures
>
>
> Thanks, Mike, for writing about the spamming problem. I think we
> have the same vulnerability.
>
> But my question is: how do you know that spammers are relaying
> through your server? What log file do you look at and what kind
> of entries to look for?
>
> We have been running Eudora Worldmail V.2 for the last few
> months, otherwise satisfactorily, with about ten mailboxes
> served.
>
> Phil Howitt
> Marvista Computing
> www.Marvista.com
>
> At 03:44 PM 8/27/2000 +0100, Mike wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I hope someone could help with the following? Many thanks.
> >
> >
> >My company has just recently (in the last 2 weeks) purchased Eudora
> >WorldMail 2 , installed it and begun to use it as our
> company mail server.
> >However after a couple of days spammers started using it to
> relay mail, so
> >I set the relay restrictions to only allow the mail server
> itself to relay
> >mail. The problem is we connect to the mail server through an ISP
> >connection, so our IP addresses change every time... so I
> cannot restrict
> >the relaying IP addresses to the ones we are using. Is there
> any way we
> >could be permitted to send mail while preventing spammers
> from relaying
> >mail (eg POP Authenticated SMTP)?
> >
> >Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
> >
> >Mike.
>
>