The worldmail list archive ending on 14 Jun 2001
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. Re: Worldmail Password Format
Randall Gellens <rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com>
Fri, 4 May 2001 17:23:48 -0700
2. Re: Worldmail Password Format
Andrew Cyr <acyr at admin.seu dot edu>
Fri, 04 May 2001 21:16:53 -0500
3. RE: Worldmail Password Format
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Sat, 5 May 2001 11:50:37 +0100
4. Re: Worldmail Password Format
Randall Gellens <rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com>
Sat, 5 May 2001 21:52:44 -0700
5. Passwords
ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Tue, 15 May 2001 09:53:09 -0500
6. Active connections / Message Queue
ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Tue, 15 May 2001 09:47:27 -0500
7. Passwords
"Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Tue, 15 May 2001 09:24:49 -0700
8. Re: Passwords
ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Tue, 15 May 2001 11:23:55 -0500
9. RE: Passwords
"Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Tue, 15 May 2001 09:36:30 -0700
10. RE: Active connections / Message Queue
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Tue, 15 May 2001 18:53:15 +0100
11. Export tools
ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Mon, 21 May 2001 13:25:36 -0500
12. aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Mon, 21 May 2001 14:49:15 -0400
13. RE: aliases
"Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 10:50:29 -0400
14. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 11:04:28 -0400
15. RE: aliases
Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 11:18:51 -0400
16. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 11:30:34 -0400
17. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 12:13:32 -0400
18. RE: aliases
"Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 09:10:07 -0700
19. RE: aliases
"Jefferson Scher" <jscher at carr-ferrell dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 09:09:20 -0700
20. RE: aliases
"Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 09:34:16 -0700
21. RE: aliases
Ian Homewood <ianh at stanley.co dot uk>
Wed, 23 May 2001 17:35:41 +0100
22. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 13:03:13 -0400
23. RE: aliases
Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 14:10:52 -0400
24. RE: aliases
"Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 15:23:27 -0400
25. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 23 May 2001 16:55:07 -0400
26. RE: aliases
Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 09:07:25 -0400
27. Re: aliases
Jeffrey Posluns <scripter at secureops dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 09:39:55 -0400
28. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 10:05:55 -0400
29. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 10:05:58 -0400
30. Re: aliases
Jeffrey Posluns <scripter at secureops dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 10:38:16 -0400
31. RE: aliases
"Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 09:10:56 -0700
32. RE: aliases
"Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 09:16:13 -0700
33. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 12:30:09 -0400
34. RE: aliases
Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 12:49:48 -0400
35. RE: aliases
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Thu, 24 May 2001 13:03:43 -0400
36. RE: aliases
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Fri, 25 May 2001 09:41:19 +0100
37. Re: aliases
"Peter Martin" <p.martin at ies.uk dot com>
Fri, 25 May 2001 15:52:45 +0100
38. RE: aliases
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Fri, 25 May 2001 19:55:28 +0100
39. RE: aliases
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:50:47 +0100
40. Windows 2000 Support
"Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:32:26 -0700
41. RE: Windows 2000 Support
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:42:21 -0400
42. RE: Windows 2000 Support
"Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Fri, 8 Jun 2001 10:00:39 -0700
43. RE: Windows 2000 Support
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:10:44 -0400
44. Relay Problem
"John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:54:43 -0400
45. RE: Relay Problem
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:04:29 -0400
46. Re: Relay Problem
Johan Malmberg <johan.malmberg at nextlevel dot se>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:04:10 +0200
47. RE: Relay Problem
"John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:05:43 -0400
48. RE: Relay Problem
"John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:09:08 -0400
49. Services Stopping
"Michael Smallwood" <msmallwood at mindseye dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:20:06 -0400
50. Re: Relay Problem
Johan Malmberg <johan.malmberg at nextlevel dot se>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:19:53 +0200
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:23:48 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com>
Subject: Re: Worldmail Password Format
At 12:43 PM -0400 4/26/01, Andrew Cyr wrote:
> I am trying to import some of my Worldmail user data into a Netscape LDAP
> database. nible.exe exports a "password" field and a "secret" field. The
> password field looks like crypt, but I am having problems using it as such.
>
> Does anyone out there know anything about the format of either of these
> fields, or, alternatively, whether there is a way to export the password
> field in clear text using nibl.exe?
These fields are encrypted (one is the password for user/pass, the
other is for AOP/CRAM-MD5) and there is no way to get them exported
in the clear.
--
Randall Gellens
rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com
Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 21:16:53 -0500
From: Andrew Cyr <acyr at admin.seu dot edu>
Subject: Re: Worldmail Password Format
I'm not trying to get them into the clear. My LDAP server may be able to import
them encrypted, depending on the type of encryption. I can't find documentation on
this.
Andrew Cyr
Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 12:43 PM -0400 4/26/01, Andrew Cyr wrote:
>
> > I am trying to import some of my Worldmail user data into a Netscape LDAP
> > database. nible.exe exports a "password" field and a "secret" field. The
> > password field looks like crypt, but I am having problems using it as such.
> >
> > Does anyone out there know anything about the format of either of these
> > fields, or, alternatively, whether there is a way to export the password
> > field in clear text using nibl.exe?
>
> These fields are encrypted (one is the password for user/pass, the
> other is for AOP/CRAM-MD5) and there is no way to get them exported
> in the clear.
> --
> Randall Gellens
> rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com
> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Worldmail Password Format
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 11:50:37 +0100
Sorry Andrew - will not be possible like that.
They are encrypted using a private key - and will not be decodable by your
LDAP server.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Cyr [mailto:acyr at admin.seu dot edu]
Sent: 05 May 2001 03:17
To: Randall Gellens
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Re: Worldmail Password Format
I'm not trying to get them into the clear. My LDAP server may be able to
import
them encrypted, depending on the type of encryption. I can't find
documentation on
this.
Andrew Cyr
Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 12:43 PM -0400 4/26/01, Andrew Cyr wrote:
>
> > I am trying to import some of my Worldmail user data into a Netscape
LDAP
> > database. nible.exe exports a "password" field and a "secret" field.
The
> > password field looks like crypt, but I am having problems using it as
such.
> >
> > Does anyone out there know anything about the format of either of these
> > fields, or, alternatively, whether there is a way to export the
password
> > field in clear text using nibl.exe?
>
> These fields are encrypted (one is the password for user/pass, the
> other is for AOP/CRAM-MD5) and there is no way to get them exported
> in the clear.
> --
> Randall Gellens
> rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com
> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 21:52:44 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com>
Subject: Re: Worldmail Password Format
At 9:16 PM -0500 5/4/01, Andrew Cyr wrote:
> I'm not trying to get them into the clear. My LDAP server may be
> able to import
> them encrypted, depending on the type of encryption. I can't find
> documentation on
> this.
It's not a form that usable by anything else.
--
Randall Gellens
rg_public.1 at flagg.qualcomm dot com
Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:53:09 -0500
Subject: Passwords
Is there a bug related with the passwords?
Our users run OE 5.x and they usually have the option "save
passord" checked.
Every once in a while, I have to reset their passwords because
Worlmail is not accepting the one saved on their machines. After
resetting it, everything works fine.
I don't think is an OE issue because even if they don't retype it, it
works after I re-set it.
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:47:27 -0500
Subject: Active connections / Message Queue
From time to time our queue shows messages hanging around for
hours (2, 10, 30hrs) to be sent in the queue, any reason?
This doesn't happen everyday although we had a period where
there were, maybe 10 or 20 of them. It wasn't a DNS issue
because not all of the messages stayed there and I was able to
resolve MX entries from the server.
Elliott
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: "Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Subject: Passwords
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:24:49 -0700
This happens to me, as well. I use Outlook 2000. Occasionally, the World
mail Server will tell me my password is wrong. If I wait a few minutes, it
will then accept it.
I have had this problem on every pop3 server I have used in the past 2
years.. Outlook or Outlook Express.
Hope that helps,
-Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com [mailto:ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:53 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Passwords
Is there a bug related with the passwords?
Our users run OE 5.x and they usually have the option "save
passord" checked.
Every once in a while, I have to reset their passwords because
Worlmail is not accepting the one saved on their machines. After
resetting it, everything works fine.
I don't think is an OE issue because even if they don't retype it, it
works after I re-set it.
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:23:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Passwords
have you checked their knowledge pages?
On 15 May 2001, at 9:24, Brian Augustine wrote:
This happens to me, as well. I use Outlook 2000. Occasionally, the World
mail Server will tell me my password is wrong. If I wait a few minutes, it
will then accept it.
I have had this problem on every pop3 server I have used in the past 2
years.. Outlook or Outlook Express.
Hope that helps,
-Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com [mailto:ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:53 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Passwords
Is there a bug related with the passwords?
Our users run OE 5.x and they usually have the option "save
passord" checked.
Every once in a while, I have to reset their passwords because
Worlmail is not accepting the one saved on their machines. After
resetting it, everything works fine.
I don't think is an OE issue because even if they don't retype it, it
works after I re-set it.
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: "Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Subject: RE: Passwords
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:36:30 -0700
No, never bothered. It wasn't a big deal to just hit cancel and wait 5
minutes for it to auto-check again.
-Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com [mailto:ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:24 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Re: Passwords
have you checked their knowledge pages?
On 15 May 2001, at 9:24, Brian Augustine wrote:
This happens to me, as well. I use Outlook 2000. Occasionally, the World
mail Server will tell me my password is wrong. If I wait a few minutes, it
will then accept it.
I have had this problem on every pop3 server I have used in the past 2
years.. Outlook or Outlook Express.
Hope that helps,
-Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com [mailto:ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:53 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Passwords
Is there a bug related with the passwords?
Our users run OE 5.x and they usually have the option "save
passord" checked.
Every once in a while, I have to reset their passwords because
Worlmail is not accepting the one saved on their machines. After
resetting it, everything works fine.
I don't think is an OE issue because even if they don't retype it, it
works after I re-set it.
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Active connections / Message Queue
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:53:15 +0100
Really need to see what was happening from the logs - and potentially from
ISOTRACE.
The software does put things on retry - so a queue "now" is probably the
result of failures a while ago.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com [mailto:ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com]
Sent: 15 May 2001 15:47
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Active connections / Message Queue
From time to time our queue shows messages hanging around for
hours (2, 10, 30hrs) to be sent in the queue, any reason?
This doesn't happen everyday although we had a period where
there were, maybe 10 or 20 of them. It wasn't a DNS issue
because not all of the messages stayed there and I was able to
resolve MX entries from the server.
Elliott
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:25:36 -0500
Subject: Export tools
In the midst of switching from Worldmail to xx, does any of you
know any export tools and to which servers (Exchange, IMail,
sendmail, etc)?
Any experiences with this issue?
Elliott
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: aliases
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:49:15 -0400
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Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named BILL at whatever dot com
how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an account pushed to
BILL at whatever dot com?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com, or sales at whatever dot com how
can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist, but
they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message.
(e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Hi
all, this is my
first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I
would like to use
mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>By
that I mean, if
I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000000
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an account
pushed to <A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></D
IV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>So,
if someone
emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</
A>, or <A
href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A> how can i get
those
emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist, but they should
still go
to somebody! right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Right
now, i have
it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to so-n-so." But
that is
only delivering the undeliverable mail message. (e.g. - "the following
message
was undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
</DT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT></DT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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From: "Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:50:29 -0400
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That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail before!
If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias, robot, etc.
to, you will get a menu with these options. If you select Alias, it asks
you for the alias name, then the actual account you want it to go to. That
won't reveal the destination account to people when they send you
email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply address set to
the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your server.
It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such as your
internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this is to
creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members of the
groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that you
could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named
BILL at whatever dot com how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an
account pushed to BILL at whatever dot com?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com, or sales at whatever dot com
how can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist,
but they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message.
(e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>That's
a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail
before!
If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias, robot,
etc. to,
you will get a menu with these options. If you select Alias, it
asks you
for the alias name, then the actual account you want it to go to.
That
won't reveal the destination account to people when they send you
email...only
if your reply to it, and have your email reply address set to the real
address,
and not an alias.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>A word
of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your
server.
It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such as
your
internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this
is to
creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members
of the
groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet
that you
could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward
to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It
might be worth a shot..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at presearch dot com</FONT> </P>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Hi
all, this is
my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I
would like to
use mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>By
that I mean,
if I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000000
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an account
pushed to
<A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></D
IV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>So,
if someone
emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</
A>, or
<A href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A> how can i
get those
emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist, but they
should still
go to somebody! right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Right now, i have
it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to so-n-so." But
that is
only delivering the undeliverable mail message. (e.g. - "the following
message
was undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:04:28 -0400
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Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do what I
am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont work. I
know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.
I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for BILLCLINTON@
... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this. You
can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Ben Saren
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail
before! If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias,
robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these options. If you select
Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then the actual account you want it
to go to. That won't reveal the destination account to people when they
send you email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply address
set to the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your
server. It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such
as your internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this
is to creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members of
the groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that
you could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named
BILL at whatever dot com how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an
account pushed to BILL at whatever dot com?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com, or sales at whatever dot com
how can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist,
but they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message.
(e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>Tom,
I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do what I
am
requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont work. I
know how
to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>I
want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for BILLCLINTON@
... mail
will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this. You can
with
EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real
dissappointment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001></SPAN> </DIV>
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face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
10:50
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ben Saren<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't
used
Worldmail before! If you right-click on the domain you want to
add a
user, alias, robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these
options. If
you select Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then the actual
account you
want it to go to. That won't reveal the destination account to
people
when they send you email...only if your reply to it, and have your
email reply
address set to the real address, and not an
alias.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>A
word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for
your
server. It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted
IP's,
such as your internal network, but not for others. The best way
to
handle this is to creat Groups instead of aliases. You would
simply make
the members of the groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried
it yet,
but I'll bet that you could put aliases into a distribution group and
have the
aliases set to forward to an actual account, and have this work fine
without
relaying enabled. It might be worth a shot..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at presearch dot com</FONT> </P>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Hi all, this is
my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I
would like to
use mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>By that I mean,
if I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#000000
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an
account pushed
to <A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></D
IV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>So, if someone
emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</
A>,
or <A href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A> how
can i get
those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist, but
they
should still go to somebody! right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Right now, i
have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But
that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message. (e.g. - "the
following message was undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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From: Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:18:51 -0400
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You can set a "single mail box" domain, per
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html
<http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html>
Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a domain to the mailbox you
specify, so I'm not sure if it will help you.
The KB note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work and
therefore is not recommended for general use." but I've done it a couple of
times without trouble.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04 AM
To: Tom Kemp
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do what I
am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont work. I
know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.
I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for BILLCLINTON@
... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this. You
can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Ben Saren
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail before!
If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias, robot, etc.
to, you will get a menu with these options. If you select Alias, it asks
you for the alias name, then the actual account you want it to go to. That
won't reveal the destination account to people when they send you
email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply address set to
the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your server.
It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such as your
internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this is to
creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members of the
groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that you
could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named
<BILL at whatever.com> BILL at whatever dot com how can i get any email address
NOT recognized as an account pushed to BILL at whatever dot com
<mailto:BILL at whatever dot com> ?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com
<hillaryClinton at whatever.com> , or sales at whatever dot com
<mailto:sales at whatever dot com> how can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those
mailboxes above dont exist, but they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message. (e.g.
- "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=550570215-23052001>You
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a domain to
the mailbox you specify, so I'm not sure if it will help
you.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2><SPAN class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=550570215-23052001>The KB
note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work and therefore is
not recommended for general use." but I've done it a couple of times without
trouble.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates, Inc.<BR>(202)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Tom Kemp<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2>Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do
what I am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont work.
I know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma size=2>I
want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for BILLCLINTON@ ...
mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this. You can
with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ben Saren<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used
Worldmail before! If you right-click on the domain you want to add a
user, alias, robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these options.
If you select Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then the actual account
you want it to go to. That won't reveal the destination account to
people when they send you email...only if your reply to it, and have your
email reply address set to the real address, and not an
alias.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>A
word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your
server. It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's,
such as your internal network, but not for others. The best way to
handle this is to creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply
make the members of the groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried
it yet, but I'll bet that you could put aliases into a distribution group
and have the aliases set to forward to an actual account, and have this work
fine without relaying enabled. It might be worth a
shot..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at presearch dot com</FONT> </P>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Hi all, this
is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I would like
to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>By that I
mean, if I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT color=#000000 face=Tahoma
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an
account pushed to <A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>So, if
someone emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</A>,
or <A href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A> how can i
get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist, but they
should still go to somebody! right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Right now, i
have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to so-n-so." But
that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message. (e.g. - "the
following message was undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:30:34 -0400
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Okay, BUT...
Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com .... and I
want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers apps, ALL
mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system to
forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:19 AM
To: 'Ben Saren'
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
You can set a "single mail box" domain, per
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html
Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a domain to the mailbox you
specify, so I'm not sure if it will help you.
The KB note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work and
therefore is not recommended for general use." but I've done it a couple of
times without trouble.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04 AM
To: Tom Kemp
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do
what I am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont
work. I know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.
I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for
BILLCLINTON@ ... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to
do this. You can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Ben Saren
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail
before! If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias,
robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these options. If you select
Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then the actual account you want it
to go to. That won't reveal the destination account to people when they
send you email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply address
set to the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your
server. It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such
as your internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this
is to creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members of
the groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that
you could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some
good feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named
BILL at whatever dot com how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an
account pushed to BILL at whatever dot com?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com, or
sales at whatever dot com how can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes
above dont exist, but they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should
forward to so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail
message. (e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>Okay,
BUT...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>Lets
say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com .... and I
want to
receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers apps, ALL
mail that
comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system to forward to
one that
does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that Worldmail would do
it...
seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23,
2001
11:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Ben Saren'<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>You
can set a "single mail box" domain, per <A
href="http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html">http://www.eudo
ra.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>Apparently that process directs ALL mail in
a domain
to the mailbox you specify, so I'm not sure if it will help
you.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>The
KB note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work and
therefore is not recommended for general use." but I've done it a
couple of
times without trouble.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates, Inc.<BR>(202)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
11:04
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Tom Kemp<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO
way to do
what I am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it
wont
work. I know how to create an alias, thanks for your
lesson.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>I
want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for
BILLCLINTON@ ...
mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this.
You can
with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real
dissappointment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23,
2001 10:50
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ben Saren<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>That's a very simple question. Obviously you
haven't used
Worldmail before! If you right-click on the domain you want
to add a
user, alias, robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these
options.
If you select Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then the
actual
account you want it to go to. That won't reveal the
destination
account to people when they send you email...only if your reply to
it, and
have your email reply address set to the real address, and
not an
alias.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you
disable relay
for your server. It will continue to work for emails sent
from
permitted IP's, such as your internal network, but not for
others.
The best way to handle this is to creat Groups instead of
aliases.
You would simply make the members of the groups the actual
addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that you
could put
aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to
an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled.
It might be worth a shot..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom
Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at presearch dot com</FONT> </P>
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<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21, 2001
2:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Hi all,
this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>I would
like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>By that I
mean, if I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#000000
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>how can i get any email address NOT
recognized as an
account pushed to <A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></D
IV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>So, if
someone emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</
A>,
or <A href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A>
how can i
get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont
exist, but
they should still go to somebody! right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Right now,
i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so."
But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message.
(e.g. - "the
following message was undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:13:32 -0400
I agree. That feature is only half of what i need. Its only good for junk
mail, thats right. And it only pushes the undeliverable email message thru
as an attachment, so my clients wouldnt like that very much. Oh well..
-----Original Message-----
From: Jefferson Scher [mailto:jscher at carr-ferrell dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:09 PM
To: 'Ben Saren'
Cc: 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: aliases
Ben Saren wrote:
> Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward
> to so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail
> message. (e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
Ours had the original message as an attachment (client was Outlook Express
5.x), and this appeared to be quite reliable. However, due to huge volumes
of junk mail sent to former employees, as well as delays in reviewing the
undeliverable mail, we no longer attempt to capture it and just let it
bounce back.
-Jefferson
From: "Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:10:07 -0700
When undeliverable messages get delivered to me, the actual message is
included as an attachment. I realize this isn't exactly what you're looking
for, but it's better than nothing. I'm not sure exactly where in the
administration control panel you set this up, but you'll probably find it.
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 08:31
To: Dave Salovesh
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Okay, BUT...
Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com .... and I
want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers apps, ALL
mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system to
forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:19 AM
To: 'Ben Saren'
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
You can set a "single mail box" domain, per
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html
Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a domain to the mailbox you
specify, so I'm not sure if it will help you.
The KB note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work and
therefore is not recommended for general use." but I've done it a couple of
times without trouble.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04 AM
To: Tom Kemp
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do what I
am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont work. I
know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.
I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for BILLCLINTON@
... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this. You
can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Ben Saren
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail before!
If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias, robot, etc.
to, you will get a menu with these options. If you select Alias, it asks
you for the alias name, then the actual account you want it to go to. That
won't reveal the destination account to people when they send you
email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply address set to
the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your server.
It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such as your
internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this is to
creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members of the
groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that you
could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named BILL at whatever dot com
how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an account pushed to
BILL at whatever dot com?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com, or sales at whatever dot com how
can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist, but
they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message.
(e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
From: "Jefferson Scher" <jscher at carr-ferrell dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:09:20 -0700
Ben Saren wrote:
> Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward
> to so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail
> message. (e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
Ours had the original message as an attachment (client was Outlook Express
5.x), and this appeared to be quite reliable. However, due to huge volumes
of junk mail sent to former employees, as well as delays in reviewing the
undeliverable mail, we no longer attempt to capture it and just let it
bounce back.
-Jefferson
From: "Brian Augustine" <brian at meetingsplus dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:34:16 -0700
I am currently checking all of the undeliverable incoming mail - and its
true, a lot of it is junk mail for old employees.
Worldmail supports "inactive" users, that rejects mail sent to them. That
is one way to weed out a lot of the junkmail.
-Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:14 AM
To: jscher at carr-ferrell dot com
Cc: 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: aliases
I agree. That feature is only half of what i need. Its only good for junk
mail, thats right. And it only pushes the undeliverable email message thru
as an attachment, so my clients wouldnt like that very much. Oh well..
-----Original Message-----
From: Jefferson Scher [mailto:jscher at carr-ferrell dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:09 PM
To: 'Ben Saren'
Cc: 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: aliases
Ben Saren wrote:
> Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward
> to so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail
> message. (e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
Ours had the original message as an attachment (client was Outlook Express
5.x), and this appeared to be quite reliable. However, due to huge volumes
of junk mail sent to former employees, as well as delays in reviewing the
undeliverable mail, we no longer attempt to capture it and just let it
bounce back.
-Jefferson
From: Ian Homewood <ianh at stanley.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:35:41 +0100
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this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
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If you right click on your local domain and select configure domain, you can
enter a mailbox to which all undeliverable mail is forwarded. We use this
and have no problems with it whatsoever.
Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 16:31
To: Dave Salovesh
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Okay, BUT...
Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com .... and I
want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers apps, ALL
mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system to
forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:19 AM
To: 'Ben Saren'
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
You can set a "single mail box" domain, per
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html
<http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html>
Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a domain to the mailbox you
specify, so I'm not sure if it will help you.
The KB note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work and
therefore is not recommended for general use." but I've done it a couple of
times without trouble.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04 AM
To: Tom Kemp
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do what I
am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont work. I
know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.
I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for BILLCLINTON@
... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to do this. You
can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Ben Saren
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used Worldmail before!
If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user, alias, robot, etc.
to, you will get a menu with these options. If you select Alias, it asks
you for the alias name, then the actual account you want it to go to. That
won't reveal the destination account to people when they send you
email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply address set to
the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for your server.
It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's, such as your
internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle this is to
creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the members of the
groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that you
could put aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to
forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named
<BILL at whatever.com> BILL at whatever dot com how can i get any email address
NOT recognized as an account pushed to BILL at whatever dot com
<mailto:BILL at whatever dot com> ?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com
<hillaryClinton at whatever.com> , or sales at whatever dot com
<mailto:sales at whatever dot com> how can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those
mailboxes above dont exist, but they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message. (e.g.
- "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><SPAN class=610403316-23052001><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>If you right click on your local domain and select configure domain, you
can enter a mailbox to which all undeliverable mail is forwarded. We use
this and have no problems with it whatsoever.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=610403316-23052001><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
16:31<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2>Okay, BUT...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2>Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com ....
and I want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers apps,
ALL mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system to
forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do
it!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
11:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Ben Saren'<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>You can set a "single mail box" domain, per <A
href="http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html">http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a
domain to the mailbox you specify, so I'm not sure if it will help
you.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>The KB note says "This process is unreliable and
does not always work and therefore is not recommended for general use." but
I've done it a couple of times without trouble.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates, Inc.<BR>(202)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Tom Kemp<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2>Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to
do what I am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont
work. I know how to create an alias, thanks for your
lesson.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2>I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for
BILLCLINTON@ ... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way
to do this. You can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real
dissappointment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
10:50 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ben Saren<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used
Worldmail before! If you right-click on the domain you want to add
a user, alias, robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these
options. If you select Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then
the actual account you want it to go to. That won't reveal the
destination account to people when they send you email...only if your
reply to it, and have your email reply address set to the real address,
and not an alias.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay
for your server. It will continue to work for emails sent from
permitted IP's, such as your internal network, but not for others.
The best way to handle this is to creat Groups instead of aliases.
You would simply make the members of the groups the actual
addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that you could put
aliases into a distribution group and have the aliases set to forward to
an actual account, and have this work fine without relaying
enabled. It might be worth a shot..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at presearch dot com</FONT> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Hi all,
this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I would
like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>By that I
mean, if I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000000
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>how can i get any email address NOT recognized as
an account pushed to <A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>So, if
someone emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</A>,
or <A href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A> how can
i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above dont exist,
but they should still go to somebody! right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Right
now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail message.
(e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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Your missing the point Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Homewood [mailto:ianh at stanley.co dot uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:36 PM
To: 'Ben Saren'; Dave Salovesh
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
If you right click on your local domain and select configure domain, you
can enter a mailbox to which all undeliverable mail is forwarded. We use
this and have no problems with it whatsoever.
Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 16:31
To: Dave Salovesh
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Okay, BUT...
Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com ....
and I want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers
apps, ALL mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system
to forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Salovesh [mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:19 AM
To: 'Ben Saren'
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
You can set a "single mail box" domain, per
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html
Apparently that process directs ALL mail in a domain to the mailbox
you specify, so I'm not sure if it will help you.
The KB note says "This process is unreliable and does not always work
and therefore is not recommended for general use." but I've done it a couple
of times without trouble.
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:04 AM
To: Tom Kemp
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact NO way to do
what I am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many others... it wont
work. I know how to create an alias, thanks for your lesson.
I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an alias for
BILLCLINTON@ ... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there is no way to
do this. You can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real dissappointment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Ben Saren
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
That's a very simple question. Obviously you haven't used
Worldmail before! If you right-click on the domain you want to add a user,
alias, robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with these options. If you
select Alias, it asks you for the alias name, then the actual account you
want it to go to. That won't reveal the destination account to people when
they send you email...only if your reply to it, and have your email reply
address set to the real address, and not an alias.
A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you disable relay for
your server. It will continue to work for emails sent from permitted IP's,
such as your internal network, but not for others. The best way to handle
this is to creat Groups instead of aliases. You would simply make the
members of the groups the actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but
I'll bet that you could put aliases into a distribution group and have the
aliases set to forward to an actual account, and have this work fine without
relaying enabled. It might be worth a shot..
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: aliases
Hi all, this is my first time using this system, I hope to get
some good feedback!
I would like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.
By that I mean, if I have an account within a domain named
BILL at whatever dot com how can i get any email address NOT recognized as an
account pushed to BILL at whatever dot com?
So, if someone emails hillaryClinton at whatever dot com, or
sales at whatever dot com how can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes
above dont exist, but they should still go to somebody! right?
Right now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should
forward to so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail
message. (e.g. - "the following message was undeliverable")
and ideas?
Thanks!
........................................
Ben Saren
ben at atomicusa dot com
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<DIV><SPAN class„4010217-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>Your
missing the point Ian</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ian Homewood
[mailto:ianh at stanley.co dot uk]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
12:36
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Ben Saren'; Dave Salovesh<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers
of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=610403316-23052001><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff
size=2>If you right click on your local domain and select configure
domain,
you can enter a mailbox to which all undeliverable mail is
forwarded. We
use this and have no problems with it whatsoever.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=610403316-23052001><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=610403316-23052001><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff
size=2>Ian</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001
16:31<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Salovesh<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Okay, BUT...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for
GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com ....
and I want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail
servers
apps, ALL mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on
the system
to forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would
think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do
it!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018022715-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Salovesh
[mailto:salovesh at ramassociates dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May
23,
2001 11:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Ben Saren'<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers
of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>You can set a "single mail box" domain,
per <A
href="http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html">http://www.eudo
ra.com/techsupport/kb/1882hq.html</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>Apparently that process directs ALL
mail in a
domain to the mailbox you specify, so I'm not sure if it will help
you.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=550570215-23052001>The KB note says "This process is
unreliable and
does not always work and therefore is not recommended for general
use."
but I've done it a couple of times without
trouble.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates,
Inc.<BR>(202)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23,
2001 11:04
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Tom Kemp<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>Tom, I appreciate your email. However, there is in fact
NO way to
do what I am requesting. According to Qualcomm, and many
others... it
wont work. I know how to create an alias, thanks for your
lesson.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2>I want a wildcard alias. So even if i dont have an
alias for
BILLCLINTON@ ... mail will STILL go to a recipient. But, there
is no way
to do this. You can with EIMS, but not with Worldmail. A real
dissappointment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=169210215-23052001></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May
23, 2001
10:50 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ben Saren<BR><B>Cc:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>That's a very simple question. Obviously you
haven't used
Worldmail before! If you right-click on the domain you
want to
add a user, alias, robot, etc. to, you will get a menu with
these
options. If you select Alias, it asks you for the alias
name,
then the actual account you want it to go to. That won't
reveal
the destination account to people when they send you
email...only if
your reply to it, and have your email reply address set to the
real
address, and not an alias.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=173364414-23052001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>A word of caution: Aliases don't work if you
disable
relay for your server. It will continue to work for
emails sent
from permitted IP's, such as your internal network, but not
for
others. The best way to handle this is to creat Groups
instead
of aliases. You would simply make the members of the
groups the
actual addresses. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet
that you
could put aliases into a distribution group and have the
aliases set
to forward to an actual account, and have this work fine
without
relaying enabled. It might be worth a
shot..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom
Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts,
Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at presearch dot com</FONT> </P>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben
Saren
[mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21,
2001 2:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Hi all,
this is my first time using this system, I hope to get some
good
feedback!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>I would
like to use mail aliasing in Worldmail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>By that
I mean, if I have an account within a domain named </FONT><A
href="mailto:BILL@whatever dot com"><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#000000
size=2>BILL at whatever dot com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=520354518-21052001><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>how can i get any email address NOT
recognized as
an account pushed to <A
href="mailto:BILL at whatever dot com">BILL@whatever dot com</A>?</FONT></SPAN></D
IV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>So, if
someone emails <A
href="mailto:hillaryClinton at whatever dot com">hillaryClinton@whatever dot com</
A>,
or <A
href="mailto:sales at whatever dot com">sales@whatever dot com</A> how
can i get those emails to go to BILL? Those mailboxes above
dont
exist, but they should still go to somebody!
right?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Right
now, i have it set for "all non deliverable mail should
forward to
so-n-so." But that is only delivering the undeliverable mail
message. (e.g. - "the following message was
undeliverable")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>and
ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=520354518-21052001><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Thanks!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DL>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>........................................</FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080 size=2><B>Ben Saren</B></FONT>
<DT><FONT color=#808080
size=2>ben at atomicusa dot com</FONT></DT></DL>
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From: Dave Salovesh <salovesh at ramassociates dot com>
Subject: RE: aliases
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:10:52 -0400
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Ben:
Within WorldMail, there's no option to transparently forward undeliverable
mail. Perhaps that's a shame for your clients, but it works the same as the
default behavior of MS-Exchange, among many others: a copy of the
undeliverable message gets forwarded as an attachment to a message sent to
the mailbox designated for such errors. I'm tempted to argue that it would
be flat-out WRONG to transparently deliver mail that should have otherwise
bounced, but that's a whole different discussion.
If EIMS does everything you want it to, can you use it instead?
(PS - can we keep this discussion either on-list or off and cut out the
duplicates? I'm guilty too, but I'll try...)
--
Dave Salovesh
RAM Associates, Inc.
(202) 543-3635
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:31 AM
To: Dave Salovesh
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: aliases
Okay, BUT...
Lets say there is NO MAILBOX OR ALIAS for GORBECHEV at mydomain dot com .... and I
want to receive that message. LIke in EIMS, and other mail servers apps, ALL
mail that comes in to an address that DOES NOT EXIST on the system to
forward to one that does. Its not a hard concept, and I would think that
Worldmail would do it... seeing as their nearly-free product DOES do it!
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=759164117-23052001>Within
WorldMail, there's no option to transparently forward undeliverable mail.
Perhaps that's a shame for your clients, but it works the same as the default
behavior of MS-Exchange, among many others: a copy of the undeliverable
message gets forwarded as an attachment to a message sent to the mailbox
designated for such errors. I<FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=759164117-23052001>'m tempted to argue that it would be flat-out WRONG to
transparently deliver mail that should have otherwise bounced, but that's a
whole different discussion.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=759164117-23052001>If
EIMS does everything you want it to, can you use it instead?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=759164117-23052001>(PS -
can we keep this discussion either on-list or off and cut out the
duplicates? I'm guilty too, but I'll try...)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>--<BR>Dave Salovesh<BR>RAM Associates, Inc.<BR>(202)
543-3635<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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