The worldmail list archive ending on 5 Sep 2001
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. RE: Virus software on server
"Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:00:57 -0300
2. McAfee Webshield SMTP
"Luis Mercadillo" <lmercadillo at bigtoesports dot com>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:47:36 -0500
3. RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
"Jill Crawford" <jillc at golfpactravel dot com>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:00:08 -0400
4. RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
"Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:16:49 -0300
5. Re: McAfee Webshield SMTP
"Sebastian" <sebas at webmaster.com dot sg>
Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:29:20 +0800
6. RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
"Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:48:24 -0300
7. RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
"Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:49:05 -0300
8. Re: McAfee Webshield SMTP
"Peter Martin" <p.martin at ies.uk dot com>
Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:04:10 +0100
9. Worldmail password
"Mike Smallwood" <msmallwood at mindseye dot com>
Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:02:33 -0400
10. RE: Worldmail password
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:39:52 +0100
11. Messages w/attachments get stuck
"Elliott Bujan" <ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com>
Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:39:11 -0500
12. RE: Messages w/attachments get stuck
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:33:49 +0100
13. Open relay problem -- aliases
Ron Hiner <rhiner at softstone dot net>
Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:33:40 -0400
14. Open relay problem -- aliases
"Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:48:34 -0400
15. RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
"Art Lazanoff" <art at parrotbyte dot com>
Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:15:25 -0700
16. RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
"Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:42:45 -0400
17. RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
Ron Hiner <rhiner at softstone dot net>
Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:01:10 -0400
18. FW: Open relay problem -- aliases
"Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:23:32 -0400
19. Filters & Spam
Matt Hemingway <matt at supplyedge dot com>
Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:36:58 -0700
20. RE: Filters & Spam
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:46:45 -0400
21. RE: Filters & Spam
Matt Hemingway <matt at supplyedge dot com>
Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:53:54 -0700
22. RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
"Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:10:01 -0400
23. Re: Filters & Spam
"Sebastian" <sebas at webmaster.com dot sg>
Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:59:41 +0800
24. SMTP Queue Full
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:11:33 -0400
25. Rejecting .xls and .doc
"Elliott Bujan" <ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com>
Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:21:32 -0500
26. RE: Rejecting .xls and .doc
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:46:37 -0400
27. Users outside of LAN
Ann Compton <acompton at nationaloptronics dot com>
Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:59:04 -0400
28. RE: Users outside of LAN
"Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:22:44 -0400
29. Re: Users outside of LAN
"Lasse Gustafsson" <lasse at system.ecology.su dot se>
Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:10:33 +0200
30. RE: Users outside of LAN
"Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:24:35 -0400
31. RE: Users outside of LAN
"Jason Davidson" <jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:31:39 -0700
32. RE: Users outside of LAN
"Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:38:55 -0700
33. RE: Users outside of LAN
"Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:09:17 -0400
34. RE: Users outside of LAN
"Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:21:41 -0700
35. RE: Users outside of LAN
"Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:23:56 -0400
36. Re: Users outside of LAN
Garry Wiegand <squeezix at ithaca dot com>
Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:21:18 -0700
37. Importing mail from another server
"John Coonrod" <jc at thp dot org>
Sat, 01 Sep 2001 07:48:31 -0400
38. Corrupt SMTP log
Brian Crist <bcrist at microtimes dot com>
Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:15:02 -0700
39. RE: Importing mail from another server
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:16:03 +0100
40. RE: Corrupt SMTP log
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:30:25 +0100
41. RE: Importing mail from another server
"Jason Davidson" <jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:50:47 -0700
42. RE: Importing mail from another server
"John Coonrod" <jc at thp dot org>
Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:19:22 -0400
43. RE: Importing mail from another server
"Jason Davidson" <jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:42:10 -0700
44. RE: Importing mail from another server
"Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:54:00 -0700
45. RE: Importing mail from another server
"John Coonrod" <jc at thp dot org>
Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:54:45 -0400
46. worldmail masquerade
Ryan Casey <rcasey at crp dot org>
Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:39:34 -0400
47. RE: worldmail masquerade
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:43:36 -0400
48. Re: worldmail masquerade
"John Coonrod" <jc at thp dot org>
Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:01:00 -0400
49. RE: worldmail masquerade
Ryan Casey <rcasey at crp dot org>
Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:09:48 -0400
50. RE: Replacing WorldMail Server
"Doug Anderson" <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:17:49 -0500
From: "Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:00:57 -0300
NAVCE may be unable to catch the viruses, since they come in MIME (base64)
encoded nad are stored that way.
Can't tell, since I don't use NAV... just guessing here.
-andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Davidson [mailto:jdavidson at crousebeers dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:48 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I also run NAVCE on the same server as WorldMail, along with NAVGW (that's
the same as Norton Antivirus for Internet Email Gateways, except they
renamed the product to Gateways).
The only trouble I've ever had with NAVCE is it wants to conflict with
NAVGW. You have to exclude NAVCE from scanning the NAVGW folders, otherwise
NAVCE will 'take over' any email viruses that NAVGW detects.
Your right in saying that SMTP hides viruses from NAVCE. It won't detect
them until it reaches the local workstation. Then it's the local NAVCE
Exchange module that catches the virus. I had this problem with the Sircam
virus, as NAVGW won't detect it, but NAVCE will.
The other problem I've had with NAVCE is a multi-homed issue. The server
has two lan cards, one connected to the external network, and the other
connected to the local hubs. This forms a bridge. Depending on the
bindings under NT, NAVCE will bind itself to that address and forward that
IP to all of the workstations as the parent AV server. If it's the wrong
IP, the workstations accept the configuration change, update themselves with
the external IP, then never again connect to the server - you just have to
watch the bindings here.
This only becomes an issue when you want to connect to an external router -
because most router configuration software that comes out of the box expects
the external lan IP to be bound first.
Sorry - didn't mean to clutter up the works, but my point is you can have
SEVERAL configurations that work very well for your lan.
Jason Davidson <mailto:jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Crouse Beers and Associates
Engineering, Surveying, Planning, Construction Management
(909) 736-2040 (909) 736-5292 FAX
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:27 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I agree. I've never had any issues with NAV Corporate edition either....at
least with Worldmail...
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:15 PM
To: 'Andrew McClymont'; 'Rich Turiel'; 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I use NAV Corporate Edition... And it works great with Worldmail.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:57 AM
To: Rich Turiel; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
The tricky thing resides in the case the av software interferes with the
normal operation of the mail server. The av soft might detect a virus in
a file, and will block access to it... now, if the mail server needs
access to that file, the mail sever is going down in flames (as well as
your users access to mail).
If the mail server is just that, a mail server, then there is no need to
install more stuff on it. I'm saying this since you already have an av
scanning your mail.
If you still install an av on the mail server, make sure you exclude it
from scanning the Worldmail directory.
Anyway, in your case I wouldn't recommend installing an av in the mail
server... av software is extremelly invasive, they easly convert a
highly reliable server into BSOD-maker!
Best regards,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:45 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Virus software on server
We currently are running Worldmail on an NT box. We have virus
protection through Norton Anti Virus Internet Mail Gateway on a separate
box that works great. However there is no file side protection on the NT
box that the Worldmail Server is running on. I know sometimes email
servers and virus software on the same machine can get a little tricky.
I know since the email is coming through a virus checker I could just
exclude the whole Worldmail folder from being scanned. Has anyone had
any experience and/or recommendations before I do this?
Rich
From: "Luis Mercadillo" <lmercadillo at bigtoesports dot com>
Subject: McAfee Webshield SMTP
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:47:36 -0500
Has anyone had trouble with Webshield and Worldmail installed on the
same sever? I agree that McAfee's AV is better only because it is far
less obtrusive than NAV.
From: "Jill Crawford" <jillc at golfpactravel dot com>
Subject: RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:00:08 -0400
I couldn't get it to run on the same server even though they say it can be
done. I opted for the install on a second server and it runs perfectly.
Although I turned off the Outbreak Manager feature, it seemed to bog down
the system with little benefit to running it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Luis Mercadillo [mailto:lmercadillo at bigtoesports dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:48 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: McAfee Webshield SMTP
Has anyone had trouble with Webshield and Worldmail installed on the
same sever? I agree that McAfee's AV is better only because it is far
less obtrusive than NAV.
From: "Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Subject: RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:16:49 -0300
No problem at all, the only thing is that you have to do some registry
hacking to make worldmail listen to a port other than the default 25.
Besides that, webshield configuration is pretty strightforward... you just
select the option 'Webshield and mail server on this server' (or something
like that, and it will ask you the port of worldmail... since from now on
webshield listens to port 25.
-andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Luis Mercadillo [mailto:lmercadillo at bigtoesports dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:48 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: McAfee Webshield SMTP
Has anyone had trouble with Webshield and Worldmail installed on the
same sever? I agree that McAfee's AV is better only because it is far
less obtrusive than NAV.
From: "Sebastian" <sebas at webmaster.com dot sg>
Subject: Re: McAfee Webshield SMTP
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:29:20 +0800
I use Norton antivirus daily scan on only the mailboxes. I get virus
weekly... from my 50 over clients.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jill Crawford <jillc at golfpactravel dot com>
To: Subscribers of WorldMail <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:00 AM
Subject: RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
> I couldn't get it to run on the same server even though they say it can be
> done. I opted for the install on a second server and it runs perfectly.
> Although I turned off the Outbreak Manager feature, it seemed to bog down
> the system with little benefit to running it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luis Mercadillo [mailto:lmercadillo at bigtoesports dot com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:48 PM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: McAfee Webshield SMTP
>
>
> Has anyone had trouble with Webshield and Worldmail installed on the
> same sever? I agree that McAfee's AV is better only because it is far
> less obtrusive than NAV.
>
>
>
From: "Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Subject: RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:48:24 -0300
Exactly.
The 'other' program that is using the port 25 is Wrlmail.
Here are the steps:
1. stop worldmail
2. follow these instructions:
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1419hq.html and in step 6 the value is
1025 (in your case)
3. restart worldmail
4. retry the test you mentioned and CONGRATULATIONS! It's done.
Now from now on, all mail is first received by WebShield (listening on port
25), it scans it and if it's ok it passes it over to Worldmail (listening on
port 1025).
That's it. You have now your av and mail server running on the same sever.
Have a nice day,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Luis Mercadillo [mailto:lmercadillo at bigtoesports dot com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:34 PM
To: 'Andrew McClymont'
Subject: RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
What do you mean registry hacking?
Mail Read says port 25
Mail Send says port 1025
When I hit "test" on port 25 it fails. Says that another program is
using port 25 already.
Thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:17 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
No problem at all, the only thing is that you have to do some registry
hacking to make worldmail listen to a port other than the default 25.
Besides that, webshield configuration is pretty strightforward... you
just
select the option 'Webshield and mail server on this server' (or
something
like that, and it will ask you the port of worldmail... since from now
on
webshield listens to port 25.
-andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Luis Mercadillo [mailto:lmercadillo at bigtoesports dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:48 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: McAfee Webshield SMTP
Has anyone had trouble with Webshield and Worldmail installed on the
same sever? I agree that McAfee's AV is better only because it is far
less obtrusive than NAV.
From: "Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Subject: RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:49:05 -0300
Exactly.
The 'other' program that is using the port 25 is Wrlmail.
Here are the steps:
1. stop worldmail
2. follow these instructions:
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1419hq.html and in step 6 the value is
1025 (in your case)
3. restart worldmail
4. retry the test you mentioned and CONGRATULATIONS! It's done.
Now from now on, all mail is first received by WebShield (listening on port
25), it scans it and if it's ok it passes it over to Worldmail (listening on
port 1025).
That's it. You have now your av and mail server running on the same sever.
Have a nice day,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Luis Mercadillo [mailto:lmercadillo at bigtoesports dot com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:34 PM
To: 'Andrew McClymont'
Subject: RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
What do you mean registry hacking?
Mail Read says port 25
Mail Send says port 1025
When I hit "test" on port 25 it fails. Says that another program is
using port 25 already.
Thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:17 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
No problem at all, the only thing is that you have to do some registry
hacking to make worldmail listen to a port other than the default 25.
Besides that, webshield configuration is pretty strightforward... you
just
select the option 'Webshield and mail server on this server' (or
something
like that, and it will ask you the port of worldmail... since from now
on
webshield listens to port 25.
-andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Luis Mercadillo [mailto:lmercadillo at bigtoesports dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:48 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: McAfee Webshield SMTP
Has anyone had trouble with Webshield and Worldmail installed on the
same sever? I agree that McAfee's AV is better only because it is far
less obtrusive than NAV.
From: "Peter Martin" <p.martin at ies.uk dot com>
Subject: Re: McAfee Webshield SMTP
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:04:10 +0100
I do exactly the same thing but with Trend Viruswall works a treat!
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
To: "Luis Mercadillo" <lmercadillo at bigtoesports dot com>
Cc: <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 6:48 PM
Subject: RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
> Exactly.
> The 'other' program that is using the port 25 is Wrlmail.
>
> Here are the steps:
> 1. stop worldmail
> 2. follow these instructions:
> http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1419hq.html and in step 6 the value
is
> 1025 (in your case)
> 3. restart worldmail
> 4. retry the test you mentioned and CONGRATULATIONS! It's done.
>
> Now from now on, all mail is first received by WebShield (listening on
port
> 25), it scans it and if it's ok it passes it over to Worldmail (listening
on
> port 1025).
>
> That's it. You have now your av and mail server running on the same
sever.
>
> Have a nice day,
> -Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luis Mercadillo [mailto:lmercadillo at bigtoesports dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:34 PM
> To: 'Andrew McClymont'
> Subject: RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
>
>
> What do you mean registry hacking?
>
> Mail Read says port 25
> Mail Send says port 1025
>
> When I hit "test" on port 25 it fails. Says that another program is
> using port 25 already.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:17 PM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: RE: McAfee Webshield SMTP
>
> No problem at all, the only thing is that you have to do some registry
> hacking to make worldmail listen to a port other than the default 25.
> Besides that, webshield configuration is pretty strightforward... you
> just
> select the option 'Webshield and mail server on this server' (or
> something
> like that, and it will ask you the port of worldmail... since from now
> on
> webshield listens to port 25.
> -andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luis Mercadillo [mailto:lmercadillo at bigtoesports dot com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:48 PM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: McAfee Webshield SMTP
>
>
> Has anyone had trouble with Webshield and Worldmail installed on the
> same sever? I agree that McAfee's AV is better only because it is far
> less obtrusive than NAV.
>
>
>
>
>
From: "Mike Smallwood" <msmallwood at mindseye dot com>
Subject: Worldmail password
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:02:33 -0400
Okay, I know this is a long shot. I'm looking to migrate some domains off of
my Worldmail server and onto a Sendmail server. In an effort to make this
migration as painless for my users (and myself!) as possible, I was
wondering if there was anyway I could access the individual passwords. This
would allow me to set up new mail accounts without having to get in touch
with 300-400 people and issue them brand new passwords.
I assume the passwords are hashed up in some Worldmail database, but I
thought I'd solicit any thoughts just in case!
Thanks,
Mike
----
|Michael Smallwood
|Mindseye Technology Inc.
|617-350-0339 x52
|msmallwood at mindseye dot com
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Worldmail password
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:39:52 +0100
Correct - they are hashed and no routine available to get them back as
plain.
You could "sniff" them from the server for the active users as they log-in
.... [ISOTRACE]
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Smallwood [mailto:msmallwood at mindseye dot com]
Sent: 15 August 2001 15:03
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Worldmail password
Okay, I know this is a long shot. I'm looking to migrate some domains off of
my Worldmail server and onto a Sendmail server. In an effort to make this
migration as painless for my users (and myself!) as possible, I was
wondering if there was anyway I could access the individual passwords. This
would allow me to set up new mail accounts without having to get in touch
with 300-400 people and issue them brand new passwords.
I assume the passwords are hashed up in some Worldmail database, but I
thought I'd solicit any thoughts just in case!
Thanks,
Mike
----
|Michael Smallwood
|Mindseye Technology Inc.
|617-350-0339 x52
|msmallwood at mindseye dot com
From: "Elliott Bujan" <ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com>
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:39:11 -0500
Subject: Messages w/attachments get stuck
Every time I send a message with and .xls or .doc attachment, the
connection gets stuck in the middle of sending it.
I'm able to send other types of documents (.zip, .jpg, .txt)
I can see the connection "connections" in Worldmail, and it seems
it's always around 3000 bytes.
This is happening only in one remote location to all the machines.
I already checked the client's config (TCP/IP and Outlook
Express), Webshield, Firewall (eventhough is not going through it).
my next step is to check the router but to my knowledge the config
hasnt' changed.
any ideas ?
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Messages w/attachments get stuck
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:33:49 +0100
Really need to see the encoding used by the submitting mail client - and
then the encoding method chosen from server to server when leaving
Worldmail.
Possibly the submitting mail client is a Microsoft one and is doing
something different when sending an MS file as an attachment.
Do you have a specific route set up for the target mail server - if so ...
what encoding type is set for it [e.g. auto/7-bit/8-bit]?
My usual response to this sort of thing ... what does ISOTRACE show ... ?
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Elliott Bujan [mailto:ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com]
Sent: 16 August 2001 15:39
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Messages w/attachments get stuck
Every time I send a message with and .xls or .doc attachment, the
connection gets stuck in the middle of sending it.
I'm able to send other types of documents (.zip, .jpg, .txt)
I can see the connection "connections" in Worldmail, and it seems
it's always around 3000 bytes.
This is happening only in one remote location to all the machines.
I already checked the client's config (TCP/IP and Outlook
Express), Webshield, Firewall (eventhough is not going through it).
my next step is to check the router but to my knowledge the config
hasnt' changed.
any ideas ?
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:33:40 -0400
From: Ron Hiner <rhiner at softstone dot net>
Subject: Open relay problem -- aliases
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I know its been asked and answered bunches of times... but now I have a
problem...
Our Worldmail server has been blacklisted on ORBL.org! Yipes! We now have
to block open relay of messages.
So, I went into worldmail's security page, and added friendly IP addresses
to the SMTP tab. Then I restared Worldmail, it it mostly works.
But the aliases no longer work. If the alias points to a non-local domain,
then the SMTP server rejects the message.
Is there a way around this?
Is there any web page or document someone could point me to help shut down
the open relay in the best possible manner?
Also, how do I get around the issue of unknown, but friendly, IP addresses
(such as employees dialing up on a network with constantly changing IP
addresses). Is there some sort of user-authentication that can be
implemented, rather than having to know IP addresses of everyone?
Thanks!
Ron Hiner
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I know its been asked and answered bunches of times... but now I have a
problem...<br>
<br>
Our Worldmail server has been blacklisted on ORBL.org! Yipes!
We now have to block open relay of messages.<br>
<br>
So, I went into worldmail's security page, and added friendly IP
addresses to the SMTP tab. Then I restared Worldmail, it it mostly
works.<br>
<br>
But the aliases no longer work. If the alias points to a non-local
domain, then the SMTP server rejects the message.<br>
<br>
Is there a way around this? <br>
<br>
Is there any web page or document someone could point me to help shut
down the open relay in the best possible manner?<br>
<br>
Also, how do I get around the issue of unknown, but friendly, IP
addresses (such as employees dialing up on a network with constantly
changing IP addresses). Is there some sort of user-authentication
that can be implemented, rather than having to know IP addresses of
everyone?<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
Ron Hiner<br>
<br>
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From: "Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Subject: Open relay problem -- aliases
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:48:34 -0400
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I meant to send this to the group...so here it is...
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:47 AM
To: Ron Hiner
Subject: RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
Yes, there is a roundabout away to get by. Instead of aliases, use
distribution groups. Simply create the Distribution group using the name
you would use for the alias, then place the correct destination address
within the group.
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Hiner [mailto:rhiner at softstone dot net]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:34 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Open relay problem -- aliases
I know its been asked and answered bunches of times... but now I have a
problem...
Our Worldmail server has been blacklisted on ORBL.org! Yipes! We now
have to block open relay of messages.
So, I went into worldmail's security page, and added friendly IP addresses
to the SMTP tab. Then I restared Worldmail, it it mostly works.
But the aliases no longer work. If the alias points to a non-local
domain, then the SMTP server rejects the message.
Is there a way around this?
Is there any web page or document someone could point me to help shut down
the open relay in the best possible manner?
Also, how do I get around the issue of unknown, but friendly, IP addresses
(such as employees dialing up on a network with constantly changing IP
addresses). Is there some sort of user-authentication that can be
implemented, rather than having to know IP addresses of everyone?
Thanks!
Ron Hiner
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size=2>I meant
to send this to the group...so here it is...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com</FONT> </P>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20, 2001
11:47
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ron Hiner<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Open relay problem --
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=365074615-20082001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Yes,
there is a roundabout away to get by. Instead of aliases, use
distribution
groups. Simply create the Distribution group using the name you
would use
for the alias, then place the correct destination address within the
group.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com</FONT> </P>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ron Hiner
[mailto:rhiner at softstone dot net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20, 2001
11:34
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> Open
relay
problem -- aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=3><BR>I know its
been asked
and answered bunches of times... but now I have a
problem...<BR><BR>Our
Worldmail server has been blacklisted on ORBL.org! Yipes!
We now
have to block open relay of messages.<BR><BR>So, I went into
worldmail's
security page, and added friendly IP addresses to the SMTP tab.
Then I
restared Worldmail, it it mostly works.<BR><BR>But the aliases no
longer
work. If the alias points to a non-local domain, then the SMTP
server
rejects the message.<BR><BR>Is there a way around this? <BR><BR>Is
there any
web page or document someone could point me to help shut down the open
relay
in the best possible manner?<BR><BR>Also, how do I get around the
issue of
unknown, but friendly, IP addresses (such as employees dialing up on a
network
with constantly changing IP addresses). Is there some sort of
user-authentication that can be implemented, rather than having to
know IP
addresses of everyone?<BR><BR>Thanks!<BR><BR>Ron
Hiner<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Art Lazanoff" <art at parrotbyte dot com>
Subject: RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:15:25 -0700
Hi,
What does WorldMail place in a log that would identify mail relay traffic?
TIA
Art
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Art Lazanoff
E-mail: art at parrotbyte dot com
Web: http://www.parrotbyte.com/Art
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From: "Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
Subject: RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:42:45 -0400
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Can anyone explain why I am not having the same problem with alias' not
working after setting security? I had checked through the documentation and
the list archives awhile back, but don't recall seeing an explanation.
I inherited a 1.3.167 server on which the previous admin had no relay
security in place. I set Message Relaying security to only allow relaying
from friendly IPs, but none of the many alias' I have were broken,
everything worked fine.
I notice the original poster set security under SMTP, not Message Relaying.
A second q would be: why set the SMTP security instead of Relay security?
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:47 AM
To: Ron Hiner
Subject: RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
Yes, there is a roundabout away to get by. Instead of aliases, use
distribution groups. Simply create the Distribution group using the name
you would use for the alias, then place the correct destination address
within the group.
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Hiner [mailto:rhiner at softstone dot net]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:34 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Open relay problem -- aliases
I know its been asked and answered bunches of times... but now I have a
problem...
Our Worldmail server has been blacklisted on ORBL.org! Yipes! We now
have to block open relay of messages.
So, I went into worldmail's security page, and added friendly IP addresses
to the SMTP tab. Then I restared Worldmail, it it mostly works.
But the aliases no longer work. If the alias points to a non-local
domain, then the SMTP server rejects the message.
Is there a way around this?
Is there any web page or document someone could point me to help shut down
the open relay in the best possible manner?
Also, how do I get around the issue of unknown, but friendly, IP addresses
(such as employees dialing up on a network with constantly changing IP
addresses). Is there some sort of user-authentication that can be
implemented, rather than having to know IP addresses of everyone?
Thanks!
Ron Hiner
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
classˆ5553717-20082001>Can
anyone explain why I am not having the same problem with alias' not
working
after setting security? I had checked through the documentation
and the
list archives awhile back, but don't recall seeing an
explanation.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
classˆ5553717-20082001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
classˆ5553717-20082001>I
inherited a 1.3.167 server on which the previous admin had no relay
security in
place. I set Message Relaying security to only allow relaying from
friendly IPs, but none of the many alias' I have were broken, everything
worked
fine.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN classˆ5553717-20082001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I
notice the original poster set security under SMTP, not Message
Relaying.
A second q would be: why set the SMTP security instead of Relay
security?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN classˆ5553717-20082001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN classˆ5553717-20082001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Paul</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20, 2001
11:47
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ron Hiner<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Open relay problem --
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=365074615-20082001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Yes,
there is a roundabout away to get by. Instead of aliases, use
distribution
groups. Simply create the Distribution group using the name you
would use
for the alias, then place the correct destination address within the
group.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com</FONT> </P>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ron Hiner
[mailto:rhiner at softstone dot net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20, 2001
11:34
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> Open
relay
problem -- aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=3><BR>I know its
been asked
and answered bunches of times... but now I have a
problem...<BR><BR>Our
Worldmail server has been blacklisted on ORBL.org! Yipes!
We now
have to block open relay of messages.<BR><BR>So, I went into
worldmail's
security page, and added friendly IP addresses to the SMTP tab.
Then I
restared Worldmail, it it mostly works.<BR><BR>But the aliases no
longer
work. If the alias points to a non-local domain, then the SMTP
server
rejects the message.<BR><BR>Is there a way around this? <BR><BR>Is
there any
web page or document someone could point me to help shut down the open
relay
in the best possible manner?<BR><BR>Also, how do I get around the
issue of
unknown, but friendly, IP addresses (such as employees dialing up on a
network
with constantly changing IP addresses). Is there some sort of
user-authentication that can be implemented, rather than having to
know IP
addresses of everyone?<BR><BR>Thanks!<BR><BR>Ron
Hiner<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:01:10 -0400
From: Ron Hiner <rhiner at softstone dot net>
Subject: RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
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Paul -- my mistake on the orginal post -- I did put a list of friendly IP
addresses in the 'message relaying' tab, not the SMTP tab. Tom's solution
worked perfectly -- I replaced the aliases with single-member distribution
lists.
My guess is that 1.3.167 handles open relaying differently than release 2.0
(The December 1997 'Current Release').
Ron
At 01:42 PM 8/20/2001 -0400, Paul Lucente wrote:
>Can anyone explain why I am not having the same problem with alias' not
>working after setting security? I had checked through the documentation
>and the list archives awhile back, but don't recall seeing an explanation.
>
>I inherited a 1.3.167 server on which the previous admin had no relay
>security in place. I set Message Relaying security to only allow relaying
>from friendly IPs, but none of the many alias' I have were broken,
>everything worked fine.
>
>I notice the original poster set security under SMTP, not Message
>Relaying. A second q would be: why set the SMTP security instead of
>Relay security?
>
>Paul
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:47 AM
>To: Ron Hiner
>Subject: RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
>
>Yes, there is a roundabout away to get by. Instead of aliases, use
>distribution groups. Simply create the Distribution group using the name
>you would use for the alias, then place the correct destination address
>within the group.
>
>
>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
>Control Concepts, Inc.
>703-876-6418
>Fax: 703-876-6416
>KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Hiner [mailto:rhiner at softstone dot net]
>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:34 AM
>To: Subscribers of WorldMail
>Subject: Open relay problem -- aliases
>
>I know its been asked and answered bunches of times... but now I have a
>problem...
>
>Our Worldmail server has been blacklisted on ORBL.org! Yipes! We now
>have to block open relay of messages.
>
>So, I went into worldmail's security page, and added friendly IP addresses
>to the SMTP tab. Then I restared Worldmail, it it mostly works.
>
>But the aliases no longer work. If the alias points to a non-local
>domain, then the SMTP server rejects the message.
>
>Is there a way around this?
>
>Is there any web page or document someone could point me to help shut down
>the open relay in the best possible manner?
>
>Also, how do I get around the issue of unknown, but friendly, IP addresses
>(such as employees dialing up on a network with constantly changing IP
>addresses). Is there some sort of user-authentication that can be
>implemented, rather than having to know IP addresses of everyone?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Ron Hiner
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Paul -- my mistake on the orginal post -- I did put a list of friendly IP
addresses in the 'message relaying' tab, not the SMTP tab.
Tom's solution worked perfectly -- I replaced the aliases with
single-member distribution lists.<br>
<br>
My guess is that 1.3.167 handles open relaying differently than release
2.0 (The December 1997 'Current Release'). <br>
<br>
Ron<br>
<br>
<br>
At 01:42 PM 8/20/2001 -0400, Paul Lucente wrote:<br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">Can
anyone explain why I am not having the same problem with alias' not
working after setting security? I had checked through the
documentation and the list archives awhile back, but don't recall seeing
an explanation.</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">I inherited a 1.3.167
server on which the previous admin had no relay security in place.
I set Message Relaying security to only allow relaying from friendly IPs,
but none of the many alias' I have were broken, everything worked
fine.</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">I notice the original
poster set security under SMTP, not Message Relaying. A second q
would be: why set the SMTP security instead of Relay
security?</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">Paul</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times" size=2>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> Tom Kemp
[<a href="mailto:KempT@presearch dot com" eudora="autourl">mailto:KempT at presearch dot com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 20, 2001 11:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Hiner<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Open relay problem -- aliases<br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">Yes, there is a
roundabout away to get by. Instead of aliases, use distribution
groups. Simply create the Distribution group using the name you
would use for the alias, then place the correct destination address
within the group.</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<br>
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager<br>
Control Concepts, Inc.<br>
703-876-6418<br>
Fax: 703-876-6416<br>
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com</font><font size=3> <br>
</font>
<dl><font face="Times New Roman, Times" size=2>
<dd>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From:</b> Ron Hiner
[<a href="mailto:rhiner@softstone dot net" eudora="autourl">mailto:rhiner at softstone dot net</a>]
<dd>Sent:</b> Monday, August 20, 2001 11:34 AM
<dd>To:</b> Subscribers of WorldMail
<dd>Subject:</b> Open relay problem -- aliases<br>
<br>
</font><font size=3>
<dd>I know its been asked and answered bunches of times... but now I have
a problem...<br>
<br>
<dd>Our Worldmail server has been blacklisted on ORBL.org!
Yipes! We now have to block open relay of messages.<br>
<br>
<dd>So, I went into worldmail's security page, and added friendly IP
addresses to the SMTP tab. Then I restared Worldmail, it it mostly
works.<br>
<br>
<dd>But the aliases no longer work. If the alias points to a
non-local domain, then the SMTP server rejects the message.<br>
<br>
<dd>Is there a way around this? <br>
<br>
<dd>Is there any web page or document someone could point me to help shut
down the open relay in the best possible manner?<br>
<br>
<dd>Also, how do I get around the issue of unknown, but friendly, IP
addresses (such as employees dialing up on a network with constantly
changing IP addresses). Is there some sort of user-authentication
that can be implemented, rather than having to know IP addresses of
everyone?<br>
<br>
<dd>Thanks!<br>
<br>
<dd>Ron Hiner</font>
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From: "Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Subject: FW: Open relay problem -- aliases
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:23:32 -0400
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Oops again...I keep responding to individuals instead of the group! See the
message below.....
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 2:03 PM
To: Paul Lucente
Subject: RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
I don't recall having two ways to disable relaying, myself. However,
aliases will work fine for those that are trusted (are sending from your
list of friendly IP's). They just wouldn't work from outsiders. That is my
understanding, anyway.
It has been so long since I set mine up...It's like digging through cobwebs
in my brain to remember without going over and looking at it!
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lucente [mailto:plucente at hypotenuse dot com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 1:43 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
Can anyone explain why I am not having the same problem with alias' not
working after setting security? I had checked through the documentation and
the list archives awhile back, but don't recall seeing an explanation.
I inherited a 1.3.167 server on which the previous admin had no relay
security in place. I set Message Relaying security to only allow relaying
from friendly IPs, but none of the many alias' I have were broken,
everything worked fine.
I notice the original poster set security under SMTP, not Message
Relaying. A second q would be: why set the SMTP security instead of Relay
security?
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:47 AM
To: Ron Hiner
Subject: RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
Yes, there is a roundabout away to get by. Instead of aliases, use
distribution groups. Simply create the Distribution group using the name
you would use for the alias, then place the correct destination address
within the group.
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Hiner [mailto:rhiner at softstone dot net]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:34 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Open relay problem -- aliases
I know its been asked and answered bunches of times... but now I have a
problem...
Our Worldmail server has been blacklisted on ORBL.org! Yipes! We now
have to block open relay of messages.
So, I went into worldmail's security page, and added friendly IP
addresses to the SMTP tab. Then I restared Worldmail, it it mostly works.
But the aliases no longer work. If the alias points to a non-local
domain, then the SMTP server rejects the message.
Is there a way around this?
Is there any web page or document someone could point me to help shut
down the open relay in the best possible manner?
Also, how do I get around the issue of unknown, but friendly, IP
addresses (such as employees dialing up on a network with constantly
changing IP addresses). Is there some sort of user-authentication that can
be implemented, rather than having to know IP addresses of everyone?
Thanks!
Ron Hiner
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again...I keep responding to individuals instead of the group! See
the
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<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
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703-876-6416<BR>KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com</FONT> </P>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20, 2001
2:03
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Paul Lucente<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Open relay problem
--
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=333330018-20082001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I
don't recall having two ways to disable relaying, myself.
However,
aliases will work fine for those that are trusted (are sending from your
list of
friendly IP's). They just wouldn't work from outsiders. That
is my
understanding, anyway.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=333330018-20082001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=333330018-20082001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>It has
been so long since I set mine up...It's like digging through cobwebs in
my brain
to remember without going over and looking at it!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com</FONT> </P>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Paul Lucente
[mailto:plucente at hypotenuse dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20,
2001 1:43
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Open
relay
problem -- aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
classˆ5553717-20082001>Can
anyone explain why I am not having the same problem with alias' not
working
after setting security? I had checked through the documentation
and the
list archives awhile back, but don't recall seeing an
explanation.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
classˆ5553717-20082001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
classˆ5553717-20082001>I
inherited a 1.3.167 server on which the previous admin had no relay
security
in place. I set Message Relaying security to only allow relaying
from
friendly IPs, but none of the many alias' I have were broken,
everything
worked fine.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN classˆ5553717-20082001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I
notice the original poster set security under SMTP, not Message
Relaying. A second q would be: why set the SMTP security
instead
of Relay security?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN classˆ5553717-20082001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN classˆ5553717-20082001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>Paul</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp
[mailto:KempT at presearch dot com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20, 2001
11:47
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ron Hiner<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Open relay problem
--
aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=365074615-20082001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Yes,
there is a roundabout away to get by. Instead of aliases, use
distribution groups. Simply create the Distribution group using
the name
you would use for the alias, then place the correct destination
address within
the group.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com</FONT> </P>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ron Hiner
[mailto:rhiner at softstone dot net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20,
2001 11:34
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> Open
relay
problem -- aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=3><BR>I know its
been
asked and answered bunches of times... but now I have a
problem...<BR><BR>Our Worldmail server has been blacklisted on
ORBL.org! Yipes! We now have to block open relay of
messages.<BR><BR>So, I went into worldmail's security page, and
added
friendly IP addresses to the SMTP tab. Then I restared
Worldmail, it
it mostly works.<BR><BR>But the aliases no longer work. If the
alias
points to a non-local domain, then the SMTP server rejects the
message.<BR><BR>Is there a way around this? <BR><BR>Is there any web
page or
document someone could point me to help shut down the open relay in
the best
possible manner?<BR><BR>Also, how do I get around the issue of
unknown, but
friendly, IP addresses (such as employees dialing up on a network
with
constantly changing IP addresses). Is there some sort of
user-authentication that can be implemented, rather than having to
know IP
addresses of everyone?<BR><BR>Thanks!<BR><BR>Ron
Hiner<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:36:58 -0700
From: Matt Hemingway <matt at supplyedge dot com>
Subject: Filters & Spam
Hello all, I'm sure you all have heard this question a million times
before but I must ask it again,
How do/would you stop spam. Worldmail doesn't seem to have any specific
function to do that. I tried contacting their customer support but that
seems to have been useless.
A few idea's we've had is (1) a mail relay that would utilize the Unix
program Procmail to filter the incoming mail and than relay it to our
Worldmail server, (2) try to find a program that will work side-by-side
with Worldmail to filter the mail as it is retrieved or (3) look for
another mail server.
What do you all think? What do you use to stop spam and filter messages?
Slainte!
Matt Hemingway
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: Filters & Spam
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:46:45 -0400
Worldmail support IS useless. This method is the best, and although it
has never really helped me resolve any of my server questions, it has
educated me on the limitations of this product.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Hemingway [mailto:matt at supplyedge dot com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 2:37 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Filters & Spam
Hello all, I'm sure you all have heard this question a million times
before but I must ask it again,
How do/would you stop spam. Worldmail doesn't seem to have any specific
function to do that. I tried contacting their customer support but that
seems to have been useless.
A few idea's we've had is (1) a mail relay that would utilize the Unix
program Procmail to filter the incoming mail and than relay it to our
Worldmail server, (2) try to find a program that will work side-by-side
with Worldmail to filter the mail as it is retrieved or (3) look for
another mail server.
What do you all think? What do you use to stop spam and filter
messages?
Slainte!
Matt Hemingway
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:53:54 -0700
From: Matt Hemingway <matt at supplyedge dot com>
Subject: RE: Filters & Spam
Ah, I understand. Thanks for the heads up.
I take it you have no ideas?
At 02:46 PM 8/20/01 -0400, Ben Saren wrote:
>Worldmail support IS useless. This method is the best, and although it
>has never really helped me resolve any of my server questions, it has
>educated me on the limitations of this product.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Hemingway [mailto:matt at supplyedge dot com]
>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 2:37 PM
>To: Subscribers of WorldMail
>Subject: Filters & Spam
>
>
>Hello all, I'm sure you all have heard this question a million times
>before but I must ask it again,
>
>How do/would you stop spam. Worldmail doesn't seem to have any specific
>
>function to do that. I tried contacting their customer support but that
>
>seems to have been useless.
>
>A few idea's we've had is (1) a mail relay that would utilize the Unix
>program Procmail to filter the incoming mail and than relay it to our
>Worldmail server, (2) try to find a program that will work side-by-side
>with Worldmail to filter the mail as it is retrieved or (3) look for
>another mail server.
>
>What do you all think? What do you use to stop spam and filter
>messages?
>
>Slainte!
>
>Matt Hemingway
From: "Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
Subject: RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:10:01 -0400
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That is what I have suspected, but I couldn't imagine that the older version
would handle it BETTER than the newer one. Guess I'll scrap my plans to
upgrade anytime soon...
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Hiner [mailto:rhiner at softstone dot net]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 2:01 PM
To: Paul Lucente; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
Paul -- my mistake on the orginal post -- I did put a list of friendly IP
addresses in the 'message relaying' tab, not the SMTP tab. Tom's solution
worked perfectly -- I replaced the aliases with single-member distribution
lists.
My guess is that 1.3.167 handles open relaying differently than release 2.0
(The December 1997 'Current Release').
Ron
At 01:42 PM 8/20/2001 -0400, Paul Lucente wrote:
Can anyone explain why I am not having the same problem with alias' not
working after setting security? I had checked through the documentation and
the list archives awhile back, but don't recall seeing an explanation.
I inherited a 1.3.167 server on which the previous admin had no relay
security in place. I set Message Relaying security to only allow relaying
from friendly IPs, but none of the many alias' I have were broken,
everything worked fine.
I notice the original poster set security under SMTP, not Message
Relaying. A second q would be: why set the SMTP security instead of Relay
security?
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:47 AM
To: Ron Hiner
Subject: RE: Open relay problem -- aliases
Yes, there is a roundabout away to get by. Instead of aliases, use
distribution groups. Simply create the Distribution group using the name
you would use for the alias, then place the correct destination address
within the group.
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Hiner [mailto:rhiner at softstone dot net]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:34 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Open relay problem -- aliases
I know its been asked and answered bunches of times... but now I have a
problem...
Our Worldmail server has been blacklisted on ORBL.org! Yipes! We now
have to block open relay of messages.
So, I went into worldmail's security page, and added friendly IP
addresses to the SMTP tab. Then I restared Worldmail, it it mostly works.
But the aliases no longer work. If the alias points to a non-local
domain, then the SMTP server rejects the message.
Is there a way around this?
Is there any web page or document someone could point me to help shut
down the open relay in the best possible manner?
Also, how do I get around the issue of unknown, but friendly, IP
addresses (such as employees dialing up on a network with constantly
changing IP addresses). Is there some sort of user-authentication that can
be implemented, rather than having to know IP addresses of everyone?
Thanks!
Ron Hiner
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=631030819-20082001>That
is what I have suspected, but I couldn't imagine that the older version
would
handle it BETTER than the newer one. Guess I'll scrap my plans to
upgrade
anytime soon...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ron Hiner
[mailto:rhiner at softstone dot net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20, 2001
2:01
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Paul Lucente; Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
Open relay problem -- aliases<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT
size=3><BR>Paul -- my
mistake on the orginal post -- I did put a list of friendly IP addresses
in the
'message relaying' tab, not the SMTP tab. Tom's solution
worked
perfectly -- I replaced the aliases with single-member distribution
lists.<BR><BR>My guess is that 1.3.167 handles open relaying differently
than
release 2.0 (The December 1997 'Current Release').
<BR><BR>Ron<BR><BR><BR>At 01:42 PM 8/20/2001 -0400, Paul Lucente
wrote:<BR></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite type="cite"><FONT face=arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>Can anyone explain why I am not having the same problem with
alias' not
working after setting security? I had checked through the
documentation
and the list archives awhile back, but don't recall seeing an
explanation.</FONT><FONT size=3><BR> <BR></FONT><FONT
face=arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I inherited a 1.3.167 server on which the
previous admin
had no relay security in place. I set Message Relaying security
to only
allow relaying from friendly IPs, but none of the many alias' I have
were
broken, everything worked fine.</FONT><FONT
size=3><BR> <BR></FONT><FONT
face=arial color=#0000ff size=2>I notice the original poster set
security
under SMTP, not Message Relaying. A second q would be: why
set the
SMTP security instead of Relay security?</FONT><FONT
size=3><BR> <BR></FONT><FONT face=arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Paul</FONT><FONT
size=3><BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman, Times" size=2>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tom Kemp [<A
href="mailto:KempT@presearch dot com"
eudora="autourl">mailto:KempT at presearch dot com</A>] <BR><B>Sent:</B>
Monday,
August 20, 2001 11:47 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ron Hiner<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: Open
relay problem -- aliases<BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>Yes, there is a roundabout away to get by. Instead of
aliases,
use distribution groups. Simply create the Distribution group
using the
name you would use for the alias, then place the correct destination
address
within the group.</FONT><FONT size=3><BR> <BR><BR></FONT><FONT
size=2>Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)<BR>MCSE/CCNAv2/Program
Manager<BR>Control
Concepts, Inc.<BR>703-876-6418<BR>Fax:
703-876-6416<BR>KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com</FONT><FONT size=3>
<BR> </FONT>
<DL><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times" size=2>
<DD>-----Original Message-----
<DD>From:</B> Ron Hiner [<A href="mailto:rhiner@softstone dot net"
eudora="autourl">mailto:rhiner at softstone dot net</A>]
<DD>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20, 2001 11:34 AM
<DD>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail
<DD>Subject:</B> Open relay problem -- aliases<BR><BR></FONT><FONT
size=3>
<DD>I know its been asked and answered bunches of times... but now I
have a
problem...<BR><BR>
<DD>Our Worldmail server has been blacklisted on ORBL.org!
Yipes! We now have to block open relay of messages.<BR><BR>
<DD>So, I went into worldmail's security page, and added friendly IP
addresses to the SMTP tab. Then I restared Worldmail, it it
mostly
works.<BR><BR>
<DD>But the aliases no longer work. If the alias points to a
non-local
domain, then the SMTP server rejects the message.<BR><BR>
<DD>Is there a way around this? <BR><BR>
<DD>Is there any web page or document someone could point me to help
shut
down the open relay in the best possible manner?<BR><BR>
<DD>Also, how do I get around the issue of unknown, but friendly, IP
addresses (such as employees dialing up on a network with constantly
changing IP addresses). Is there some sort of
user-authentication that
can be implemented, rather than having to know IP addresses of
everyone?<BR><BR>
<DD>Thanks!<BR><BR>
<DD>Ron Hiner</FONT> </DD></DL></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Sebastian" <sebas at webmaster.com dot sg>
Subject: Re: Filters & Spam
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:59:41 +0800
My solution to stop spammers is to restrict users from certain IPs from
using my SMTP.
I actually banned sets of IPs i.e 206.0.0.0 and 207.0.0.0 and 208.0.0.0 so
anyone using the IPs cannot use my SMTP.
Now i have at least 50 sets of IPs banned.
Since my users dialup using IPs that is the range that i know.. it will not
affect my users.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Hemingway <matt at supplyedge dot com>
To: Subscribers of WorldMail <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 2:53 AM
Subject: RE: Filters & Spam
> Ah, I understand. Thanks for the heads up.
>
> I take it you have no ideas?
>
> At 02:46 PM 8/20/01 -0400, Ben Saren wrote:
> >Worldmail support IS useless. This method is the best, and although it
> >has never really helped me resolve any of my server questions, it has
> >educated me on the limitations of this product.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Matt Hemingway [mailto:matt at supplyedge dot com]
> >Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 2:37 PM
> >To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> >Subject: Filters & Spam
> >
> >
> >Hello all, I'm sure you all have heard this question a million times
> >before but I must ask it again,
> >
> >How do/would you stop spam. Worldmail doesn't seem to have any specific
> >
> >function to do that. I tried contacting their customer support but that
> >
> >seems to have been useless.
> >
> >A few idea's we've had is (1) a mail relay that would utilize the Unix
> >program Procmail to filter the incoming mail and than relay it to our
> >Worldmail server, (2) try to find a program that will work side-by-side
> >with Worldmail to filter the mail as it is retrieved or (3) look for
> >another mail server.
> >
> >What do you all think? What do you use to stop spam and filter
> >messages?
> >
> >Slainte!
> >
> >Matt Hemingway
>
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: SMTP Queue Full
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:11:33 -0400
This morning some of my clients were having trouble sending messages.
They were getting a "SMTP Message Queue Full" error. This wouldn't end
for nearly 30 minutes. Any ideas? I went into the message queue and
there was only about 8 messages in there. Nothing unusual.
Any thoughts?
From: "Elliott Bujan" <ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com>
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:21:32 -0500
Subject: Rejecting .xls and .doc
My problem is that one of my branches (all of its users) can't send
.xls and .doc attachments. Other files can go through (zip, bmp,
csv, etc)
From the client's mail program (Outlook express) the progress bar
stops half way and then asks to keep waiting or disconnect.
From the server, I can see under connections that it stops usually
around 3000bytes.
The users are not going across any firewall, they are pointing
straight to the mail server IP. I disabled any client antivirus
software.
Any ideas?
this is the output from ISOTRACE
07:19:25.10: [357] SMTP: command received 'HELO 15off95'
07:19:25.23: [357] SMTP: command received 'MAIL FROM:
<xxxx at rentokil-tps dot com>'
07:19:25.23: [357] SMTP: response sent '250 MAIL
FROM:<xxxx at rentokil-tps dot com> OK'
07:19:25.35: [357] SMTP: command received 'RCPT TO:
<ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com>'
07:19:25.35: [357] SMTP: add alias 'ebujan' to local domain
'rentokil-tps.com' => user 'ebb at rentokil-tps dot com'
07:19:25.35: [357] SMTP: add user 'ebb' to local domain 'rentokil-
tps.com' mailbox 'filepath\MailBoxs\ebb at rentokil-tps dot com'
07:19:25.35: [357] SMTP: response sent '250 RCPT
TO:<ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com> OK'
07:19:25.53: [357] SMTP: command received 'DATA'
07:19:25.53: [357] SMTP: response sent '354 Start mail input; end
with <CRLF>.<CRLF>'
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: Rejecting .xls and .doc
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:46:37 -0400
Attachment encoding
-----Original Message-----
From: Elliott Bujan [mailto:ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 3:22 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Rejecting .xls and .doc
My problem is that one of my branches (all of its users) can't send
.xls and .doc attachments. Other files can go through (zip, bmp,
csv, etc)
From the client's mail program (Outlook express) the progress bar
stops half way and then asks to keep waiting or disconnect. From the
server, I can see under connections that it stops usually
around 3000bytes.
The users are not going across any firewall, they are pointing
straight to the mail server IP. I disabled any client antivirus
software.
Any ideas?
this is the output from ISOTRACE
07:19:25.10: [357] SMTP: command received 'HELO 15off95'
07:19:25.23: [357] SMTP: command received 'MAIL FROM:
<xxxx at rentokil-tps dot com>'
07:19:25.23: [357] SMTP: response sent '250 MAIL
FROM:<xxxx at rentokil-tps dot com> OK'
07:19:25.35: [357] SMTP: command received 'RCPT TO:
<ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com>'
07:19:25.35: [357] SMTP: add alias 'ebujan' to local domain
'rentokil-tps.com' => user 'ebb at rentokil-tps dot com'
07:19:25.35: [357] SMTP: add user 'ebb' to local domain 'rentokil-
tps.com' mailbox 'filepath\MailBoxs\ebb at rentokil-tps dot com'
07:19:25.35: [357] SMTP: response sent '250 RCPT
TO:<ebujan at rentokil-tps dot com> OK'
07:19:25.53: [357] SMTP: command received 'DATA'
07:19:25.53: [357] SMTP: response sent '354 Start mail input; end
with <CRLF>.<CRLF>'
Elliott Bujan
MIS Dept. - Rentokil, TPS
847.634.4250 .x281 - www.rentokil-tps.com
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:59:04 -0400
From: Ann Compton <acompton at nationaloptronics dot com>
Subject: Users outside of LAN
Until a couple of months ago I had only users within one physical building.
Since then I have tried to open it up to two users outside of the building.
What is the correct way for setting this up so that I do not unauthorized
relaying but still provide the service needed to my users outside of the
building?
Thanks.
Ann
From: "Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:22:44 -0400
Are your new users accessing your server from within the trusted IP ranges?
If not, as is my case, I have set my users up with a VPN solution. Once we
have them establish a VPN connection, they are considered by Worldmail to be
on an allowed IP range, and so it allows them to relay mail.
Note however, that I use version 1.3.167, which we seem to have discovered
from a discussion earlier this week, behaves somewhat differently than
version 2.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Compton [mailto:acompton at nationaloptronics dot com]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:59 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Users outside of LAN
Until a couple of months ago I had only users within one physical building.
Since then I have tried to open it up to two users outside of the building.
What is the correct way for setting this up so that I do not unauthorized
relaying but still provide the service needed to my users outside of the
building?
Thanks.
Ann
From: "Lasse Gustafsson" <lasse at system.ecology.su dot se>
Subject: Re: Users outside of LAN
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:10:33 +0200
I think you are mistaken in believing you have version 1.3.167 of
worldmail. I know I have version 2.0 of worldmail, but it says 1.3.167
if you check the headers of the message. The 1.3.167 must be the version
of the SMTP enginge or something else not your version of worldmail. And
if you still have your original CD it also says version 2.0 on it.
You can send a message to yourself and check out the headers. In OE just
rightclick on the message and choose properties. And the choose the
Details Tab.
/Lars Gustafsson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
To: "Subscribers of WorldMail" <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
> Are your new users accessing your server from within the trusted IP
ranges?
>
> If not, as is my case, I have set my users up with a VPN solution.
Once we
> have them establish a VPN connection, they are considered by Worldmail
to be
> on an allowed IP range, and so it allows them to relay mail.
>
> Note however, that I use version 1.3.167, which we seem to have
discovered
> from a discussion earlier this week, behaves somewhat differently than
> version 2.
>
> Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ann Compton [mailto:acompton at nationaloptronics dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:59 AM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Users outside of LAN
>
>
> Until a couple of months ago I had only users within one physical
building.
> Since then I have tried to open it up to two users outside of the
building.
> What is the correct way for setting this up so that I do not
unauthorized
> relaying but still provide the service needed to my users outside of
the
> building?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ann
>
From: "Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:24:35 -0400
Now this is very interesting. According to the Worldmail Management Center,
I am running version 2. I recall checking before, but I guess at the time I
didn't even notice the "File version" listed as well on the About screen,
and assumed that version 2 meant version 2 of the Management console (file
version is 1.4.something), not Worldmail version 2, since every message
header always indicated version 1.3.167.
This begs 2 questions:
1. Why am I *not* having trouble with alias' like everyone else who set
relay security on version 2?
2. Not as important: Why not fix the header info? At least include the
Worldmail version # in *addition* to the SMTP engine version # or whatever
1.3.167 stands for.
For an admin like me who inherited a horribly maintained/documented server,
this has been an added headache in sorting out the mess that was left
behind.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Lasse Gustafsson [mailto:lasse at ecology.su dot se]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:09 AM
To: Paul Lucente
Cc: worldmail at lists.pensive dot org
Subject: Re: Users outside of LAN
I think you are mistaken in believing you have version 1.3.167 of worldmail.
I know I have version 2.0 of worldmail, but it says 1.3.167 if you check the
headers of the message. The 1.3.167 must be the version of the SMTP enginge
or something else not your version of worldmail. And if you still have your
original CD it also says version 2.0 on it.
You can send a message to yourself and check out the headers. In OE just
rightclick on the message and choose properties. And the choose the Details
Tab.
/Lars Gustafsson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
To: "Subscribers of WorldMail" <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
> Are your new users accessing your server from within the trusted IP
ranges?
>
> If not, as is my case, I have set my users up with a VPN solution. Once
we
> have them establish a VPN connection, they are considered by Worldmail to
be
> on an allowed IP range, and so it allows them to relay mail.
>
> Note however, that I use version 1.3.167, which we seem to have discovered
> from a discussion earlier this week, behaves somewhat differently than
> version 2.
>
> Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ann Compton [mailto:acompton at nationaloptronics dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:59 AM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Users outside of LAN
>
>
> Until a couple of months ago I had only users within one physical
building.
> Since then I have tried to open it up to two users outside of the
building.
> What is the correct way for setting this up so that I do not unauthorized
> relaying but still provide the service needed to my users outside of the
> building?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ann
>
From: "Jason Davidson" <jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:31:39 -0700
It could be where you set the relay settings. I haven't had the opportunity
to test this out, but it appears the security tab in the management console
allows you to enter in several ways of defining trusted IPs. I've denied
relaying on a proxy virus scanner, so relay attempts never really make it to
the server - so I've found it more convenient just to leave it on.
Maybe someone with or had experienced the problem could tell us where and
how they set it, and then you can compare it to your configuration. I've
noticed that WorldMail isn't especially to bright about documenting
'features' - for example if you leave the forward undeliverable mail field
blank - it's returned - but a blank edit field for the address isn't
documented to have this effect on the mail server.
Thanks
JD
Jason Davidson <mailto:jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Crouse Beers and Associates
Engineering, Surveying, Planning, Construction Management
(909) 736-2040 (909) 736-5292 FAX
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lucente [mailto:plucente at hypotenuse dot com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:25 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
Now this is very interesting. According to the Worldmail Management Center,
I am running version 2. I recall checking before, but I guess at the time I
didn't even notice the "File version" listed as well on the About screen,
and assumed that version 2 meant version 2 of the Management console (file
version is 1.4.something), not Worldmail version 2, since every message
header always indicated version 1.3.167.
This begs 2 questions:
1. Why am I *not* having trouble with alias' like everyone else who set
relay security on version 2?
2. Not as important: Why not fix the header info? At least include the
Worldmail version # in *addition* to the SMTP engine version # or whatever
1.3.167 stands for.
For an admin like me who inherited a horribly maintained/documented server,
this has been an added headache in sorting out the mess that was left
behind.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Lasse Gustafsson [mailto:lasse at ecology.su dot se]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:09 AM
To: Paul Lucente
Cc: worldmail at lists.pensive dot org
Subject: Re: Users outside of LAN
I think you are mistaken in believing you have version 1.3.167 of worldmail.
I know I have version 2.0 of worldmail, but it says 1.3.167 if you check the
headers of the message. The 1.3.167 must be the version of the SMTP enginge
or something else not your version of worldmail. And if you still have your
original CD it also says version 2.0 on it.
You can send a message to yourself and check out the headers. In OE just
rightclick on the message and choose properties. And the choose the Details
Tab.
/Lars Gustafsson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
To: "Subscribers of WorldMail" <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
> Are your new users accessing your server from within the trusted IP
ranges?
>
> If not, as is my case, I have set my users up with a VPN solution. Once
we
> have them establish a VPN connection, they are considered by Worldmail to
be
> on an allowed IP range, and so it allows them to relay mail.
>
> Note however, that I use version 1.3.167, which we seem to have discovered
> from a discussion earlier this week, behaves somewhat differently than
> version 2.
>
> Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ann Compton [mailto:acompton at nationaloptronics dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:59 AM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Users outside of LAN
>
>
> Until a couple of months ago I had only users within one physical
building.
> Since then I have tried to open it up to two users outside of the
building.
> What is the correct way for setting this up so that I do not unauthorized
> relaying but still provide the service needed to my users outside of the
> building?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ann
>
From: "Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:38:55 -0700
The alias problem only occurs if your aliases are pointing to e-mail
addresses outside of your domain. So, for example, you have the alias
webmaster at hypotenuse dot com pointing to paul at yahoo dot com, it will fail once
you've enabled relay restrictions.
However, if you have the alias webmaster at hypotenuse dot com pointing to
plucente at hypotenuse dot com, it will work properly.
As far as not fixing header info, blame that on lazy programmers. ;-)
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lucente [mailto:plucente at hypotenuse dot com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:25
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
Now this is very interesting. According to the Worldmail Management Center,
I am running version 2. I recall checking before, but I guess at the time I
didn't even notice the "File version" listed as well on the About screen,
and assumed that version 2 meant version 2 of the Management console (file
version is 1.4.something), not Worldmail version 2, since every message
header always indicated version 1.3.167.
This begs 2 questions:
1. Why am I *not* having trouble with alias' like everyone else who set
relay security on version 2?
2. Not as important: Why not fix the header info? At least include the
Worldmail version # in *addition* to the SMTP engine version # or whatever
1.3.167 stands for.
For an admin like me who inherited a horribly maintained/documented server,
this has been an added headache in sorting out the mess that was left
behind.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Lasse Gustafsson [mailto:lasse at ecology.su dot se]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:09 AM
To: Paul Lucente
Cc: worldmail at lists.pensive dot org
Subject: Re: Users outside of LAN
I think you are mistaken in believing you have version 1.3.167 of worldmail.
I know I have version 2.0 of worldmail, but it says 1.3.167 if you check the
headers of the message. The 1.3.167 must be the version of the SMTP enginge
or something else not your version of worldmail. And if you still have your
original CD it also says version 2.0 on it.
You can send a message to yourself and check out the headers. In OE just
rightclick on the message and choose properties. And the choose the Details
Tab.
/Lars Gustafsson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
To: "Subscribers of WorldMail" <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
> Are your new users accessing your server from within the trusted IP
ranges?
>
> If not, as is my case, I have set my users up with a VPN solution. Once
we
> have them establish a VPN connection, they are considered by Worldmail to
be
> on an allowed IP range, and so it allows them to relay mail.
>
> Note however, that I use version 1.3.167, which we seem to have discovered
> from a discussion earlier this week, behaves somewhat differently than
> version 2.
>
> Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ann Compton [mailto:acompton at nationaloptronics dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:59 AM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Users outside of LAN
>
>
> Until a couple of months ago I had only users within one physical
building.
> Since then I have tried to open it up to two users outside of the
building.
> What is the correct way for setting this up so that I do not unauthorized
> relaying but still provide the service needed to my users outside of the
> building?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ann
>
From: "Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:09:17 -0400
OK, that makes perfect logical sense, but I thought I remembered reading in
the archives at one point that ALL alias' broke as a result of relay
security.
Probable hallucination...
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lander [mailto:chris at altuscorp dot com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 2:39 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
The alias problem only occurs if your aliases are pointing to e-mail
addresses outside of your domain. So, for example, you have the alias
webmaster at hypotenuse dot com pointing to paul at yahoo dot com, it will fail once
you've enabled relay restrictions.
However, if you have the alias webmaster at hypotenuse dot com pointing to
plucente at hypotenuse dot com, it will work properly.
As far as not fixing header info, blame that on lazy programmers. ;-)
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lucente [mailto:plucente at hypotenuse dot com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:25
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
Now this is very interesting. According to the Worldmail Management Center,
I am running version 2. I recall checking before, but I guess at the time I
didn't even notice the "File version" listed as well on the About screen,
and assumed that version 2 meant version 2 of the Management console (file
version is 1.4.something), not Worldmail version 2, since every message
header always indicated version 1.3.167.
This begs 2 questions:
1. Why am I *not* having trouble with alias' like everyone else who set
relay security on version 2?
2. Not as important: Why not fix the header info? At least include the
Worldmail version # in *addition* to the SMTP engine version # or whatever
1.3.167 stands for.
For an admin like me who inherited a horribly maintained/documented server,
this has been an added headache in sorting out the mess that was left
behind.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Lasse Gustafsson [mailto:lasse at ecology.su dot se]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:09 AM
To: Paul Lucente
Cc: worldmail at lists.pensive dot org
Subject: Re: Users outside of LAN
I think you are mistaken in believing you have version 1.3.167 of worldmail.
I know I have version 2.0 of worldmail, but it says 1.3.167 if you check the
headers of the message. The 1.3.167 must be the version of the SMTP enginge
or something else not your version of worldmail. And if you still have your
original CD it also says version 2.0 on it.
You can send a message to yourself and check out the headers. In OE just
rightclick on the message and choose properties. And the choose the Details
Tab.
/Lars Gustafsson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
To: "Subscribers of WorldMail" <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
> Are your new users accessing your server from within the trusted IP
ranges?
>
> If not, as is my case, I have set my users up with a VPN solution. Once
we
> have them establish a VPN connection, they are considered by Worldmail to
be
> on an allowed IP range, and so it allows them to relay mail.
>
> Note however, that I use version 1.3.167, which we seem to have discovered
> from a discussion earlier this week, behaves somewhat differently than
> version 2.
>
> Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ann Compton [mailto:acompton at nationaloptronics dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:59 AM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Users outside of LAN
>
>
> Until a couple of months ago I had only users within one physical
building.
> Since then I have tried to open it up to two users outside of the
building.
> What is the correct way for setting this up so that I do not unauthorized
> relaying but still provide the service needed to my users outside of the
> building?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ann
>
From: "Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:21:41 -0700
I remember seeing that same thing. But, I have probably 10 aliases on my
server, and they all work, except for the one that points outside. So,
either my installation is somehow unique and special, or the documentation
is wrong. (Which wouldn't surprise me a whole lot).
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lucente [mailto:plucente at hypotenuse dot com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:09
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
OK, that makes perfect logical sense, but I thought I remembered reading in
the archives at one point that ALL alias' broke as a result of relay
security.
Probable hallucination...
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lander [mailto:chris at altuscorp dot com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 2:39 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
The alias problem only occurs if your aliases are pointing to e-mail
addresses outside of your domain. So, for example, you have the alias
webmaster at hypotenuse dot com pointing to paul at yahoo dot com, it will fail once
you've enabled relay restrictions.
However, if you have the alias webmaster at hypotenuse dot com pointing to
plucente at hypotenuse dot com, it will work properly.
As far as not fixing header info, blame that on lazy programmers. ;-)
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lucente [mailto:plucente at hypotenuse dot com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:25
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
Now this is very interesting. According to the Worldmail Management Center,
I am running version 2. I recall checking before, but I guess at the time I
didn't even notice the "File version" listed as well on the About screen,
and assumed that version 2 meant version 2 of the Management console (file
version is 1.4.something), not Worldmail version 2, since every message
header always indicated version 1.3.167.
This begs 2 questions:
1. Why am I *not* having trouble with alias' like everyone else who set
relay security on version 2?
2. Not as important: Why not fix the header info? At least include the
Worldmail version # in *addition* to the SMTP engine version # or whatever
1.3.167 stands for.
For an admin like me who inherited a horribly maintained/documented server,
this has been an added headache in sorting out the mess that was left
behind.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Lasse Gustafsson [mailto:lasse at ecology.su dot se]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:09 AM
To: Paul Lucente
Cc: worldmail at lists.pensive dot org
Subject: Re: Users outside of LAN
I think you are mistaken in believing you have version 1.3.167 of worldmail.
I know I have version 2.0 of worldmail, but it says 1.3.167 if you check the
headers of the message. The 1.3.167 must be the version of the SMTP enginge
or something else not your version of worldmail. And if you still have your
original CD it also says version 2.0 on it.
You can send a message to yourself and check out the headers. In OE just
rightclick on the message and choose properties. And the choose the Details
Tab.
/Lars Gustafsson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
To: "Subscribers of WorldMail" <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
> Are your new users accessing your server from within the trusted IP
ranges?
>
> If not, as is my case, I have set my users up with a VPN solution. Once
we
> have them establish a VPN connection, they are considered by Worldmail to
be
> on an allowed IP range, and so it allows them to relay mail.
>
> Note however, that I use version 1.3.167, which we seem to have discovered
> from a discussion earlier this week, behaves somewhat differently than
> version 2.
>
> Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ann Compton [mailto:acompton at nationaloptronics dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:59 AM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Users outside of LAN
>
>
> Until a couple of months ago I had only users within one physical
building.
> Since then I have tried to open it up to two users outside of the
building.
> What is the correct way for setting this up so that I do not unauthorized
> relaying but still provide the service needed to my users outside of the
> building?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ann
>
From: "Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:23:56 -0400
I checked Eudora's site, and in fact, I was not hallucinating, and Chris was
not seeing things either:
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1891hq.html
quote:
=======================================================================
I enabled relay restrictions and now my aliases do not work
Problem: If you enable security settings for WorldMail, that will
effectively disable any aliases that you have set up.
Solution: The only solution at this time is to delete the alias and recreate
it as a Distribution list. [remainder snipped]
=======================================================================
will effectively disable ANY aliases. Apparently not true. Sigh.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lander [mailto:chris at altuscorp dot com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:22 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
I remember seeing that same thing. But, I have probably 10 aliases on my
server, and they all work, except for the one that points outside. So,
either my installation is somehow unique and special, or the documentation
is wrong. (Which wouldn't surprise me a whole lot).
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lucente [mailto:plucente at hypotenuse dot com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:09
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
OK, that makes perfect logical sense, but I thought I remembered reading in
the archives at one point that ALL alias' broke as a result of relay
security.
Probable hallucination...
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lander [mailto:chris at altuscorp dot com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 2:39 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
The alias problem only occurs if your aliases are pointing to e-mail
addresses outside of your domain. So, for example, you have the alias
webmaster at hypotenuse dot com pointing to paul at yahoo dot com, it will fail once
you've enabled relay restrictions.
However, if you have the alias webmaster at hypotenuse dot com pointing to
plucente at hypotenuse dot com, it will work properly.
As far as not fixing header info, blame that on lazy programmers. ;-)
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lucente [mailto:plucente at hypotenuse dot com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:25
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
Now this is very interesting. According to the Worldmail Management Center,
I am running version 2. I recall checking before, but I guess at the time I
didn't even notice the "File version" listed as well on the About screen,
and assumed that version 2 meant version 2 of the Management console (file
version is 1.4.something), not Worldmail version 2, since every message
header always indicated version 1.3.167.
This begs 2 questions:
1. Why am I *not* having trouble with alias' like everyone else who set
relay security on version 2?
2. Not as important: Why not fix the header info? At least include the
Worldmail version # in *addition* to the SMTP engine version # or whatever
1.3.167 stands for.
For an admin like me who inherited a horribly maintained/documented server,
this has been an added headache in sorting out the mess that was left
behind.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Lasse Gustafsson [mailto:lasse at ecology.su dot se]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:09 AM
To: Paul Lucente
Cc: worldmail at lists.pensive dot org
Subject: Re: Users outside of LAN
I think you are mistaken in believing you have version 1.3.167 of worldmail.
I know I have version 2.0 of worldmail, but it says 1.3.167 if you check the
headers of the message. The 1.3.167 must be the version of the SMTP enginge
or something else not your version of worldmail. And if you still have your
original CD it also says version 2.0 on it.
You can send a message to yourself and check out the headers. In OE just
rightclick on the message and choose properties. And the choose the Details
Tab.
/Lars Gustafsson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Lucente" <plucente at hypotenuse dot com>
To: "Subscribers of WorldMail" <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: Users outside of LAN
> Are your new users accessing your server from within the trusted IP
ranges?
>
> If not, as is my case, I have set my users up with a VPN solution. Once
we
> have them establish a VPN connection, they are considered by Worldmail to
be
> on an allowed IP range, and so it allows them to relay mail.
>
> Note however, that I use version 1.3.167, which we seem to have discovered
> from a discussion earlier this week, behaves somewhat differently than
> version 2.
>
> Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ann Compton [mailto:acompton at nationaloptronics dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:59 AM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Users outside of LAN
>
>
> Until a couple of months ago I had only users within one physical
building.
> Since then I have tried to open it up to two users outside of the
building.
> What is the correct way for setting this up so that I do not unauthorized
> relaying but still provide the service needed to my users outside of the
> building?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ann
>
From: Garry Wiegand <squeezix at ithaca dot com>
Subject: Re: Users outside of LAN
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:21:18 -0700
Paul wrote:
>http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1891hq.html ...
>...
>Problem: If you enable security settings for WorldMail, that will
>effectively disable any aliases that you have set up.
(Not entirely correct. As mentioned here in the past, aliases that point
-internally- still work fine after security has been turned on. I have a
bazillion of them.)
If there's anyone here who still hasn't turned on security: DO IT!!!
My Worldmail gets probed about 50 times per day by mystery machines far
out
there on the internet. I suspect it's not friendly. Here's a typical
slice
from my SMTP log, this one from the last hour:
20010826 03:48:19 ---- SMTP CONNECT from host 211.21.93.230
20010826 03:48:19 ---- SMTP EHLO 2000server.unigreen.com.tw from host
211.21.93.230
20010826 03:48:23 ---- SMTP closing connection from host 211.21.93.230
20010826 03:49:54 ---- SMTP CONNECT from host 211.23.61.66
20010826 03:49:54 ---- SMTP closing connection from host 211.23.61.66
20010826 04:05:55 ---- SMTP CONNECT from host 211.23.61.66
20010826 04:05:55 ---- SMTP closing connection from host 211.23.61.66
20010826 04:21:58 ---- SMTP CONNECT from host 211.23.61.66
20010826 04:21:58 ---- SMTP closing connection from host 211.23.61.66
20010826 04:27:42 ---- SMTP CONNECT from host 24.92.98.2
20010826 04:27:42 ---- SMTP EHLO ns2.elp.rr.com from host 24.92.98.2
20010826 04:27:45 ---- SMTP closing connection from host 24.92.98.2
They connect, and then they close without leaving any mail. I don't know
what
they're trying to do.
(By the way, I think the times in the raw log files are GMT.)
Garry
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 07:48:31 -0400
From: "John Coonrod" <jc at thp dot org>
Subject: Importing mail from another server
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I'm planning to move from another server to Worldmail. Is there anyway to
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messages are saved as simple rfc formatted files - might there be a way to
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<BODY style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial" text=#000000 bgColor=#ffffff><FONT size=2>I'm
planning to move from another server to Worldmail. Is there anyway to import
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saved as simple rfc formatted files - might there be a way to just move
them?)</FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:15:02 -0700
From: Brian Crist <bcrist at microtimes dot com>
Subject: Corrupt SMTP log
My latest SMTP log will not open with the WM log viewer. Previous logs will
open - when I select the current log, I cannot see any entries. If I
attempt to look at the properties for or refresh the current log, I get a
"Log Viewer Error: Had an ERROR. Please click on the left pane to select
another log." I can open the current log with Notepad, and it is being
amended and appears to be current. Any ideas? I have stopped/restarted the
service, and rebooted. Should I change the logfile size to 0 and the
restart, and reset it to original size, or can I just delete the bad log
file and allow WM to build a new file? Thanks...Brian
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Importing mail from another server
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:16:03 +0100
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Should be possible in that case ...
You need to put all of the mails into the "correct" mailbox directory for
each user - and then set the extension to .NEW (from memory).
When user logs in they will see them all as new mail .... but is that what
you want?
If the "other" system supports IMAP4 then you should be able to find some
3rd-party software that can read from one mailbox and write to another -
preserving folder structure and status flags as it goes.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: John Coonrod [mailto:jc at thp dot org]
Sent: 01 September 2001 12:49
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Importing mail from another server
I'm planning to move from another server to Worldmail. Is there anyway to
import messages from the old server to Worldmail? (On the old server the
messages are saved as simple rfc formatted files - might there be a way to
just move them?)
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<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>Should be possible
in that case
...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>You need to put all
of the
mails into the "correct" mailbox directory for each user - and then set
the
extension to .NEW (from memory).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>When user logs in
they will see
them all as new mail .... but is that what you want?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>If the "other"
system supports
IMAP4 then you should be able to find some 3rd-party software that can
read from
one mailbox and write to another - preserving folder structure and
status flags
as it goes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT
size=2>Paul</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John Coonrod
[mailto:jc at thp dot org]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 01 September 2001
12:49<BR><B>To:</B>
Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> Importing mail from another
server<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=2>I'm planning to move from
another server
to Worldmail. Is there anyway to import messages from the old server to
Worldmail? (On the old server the messages are saved as simple rfc
formatted
files - might there be a way to just move them?)</FONT> </BODY></HTML>
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From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Corrupt SMTP log
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:30:25 +0100
Possibly got a non-printing character near the start of the file.
Do you have log cycling daily? ... if so - I wouldn't worry about it since
(as you said) you can view the file with notepad and "tomorrow" it will
become an old log and not so important for on-line viewing.
If you do decide to zero the file - then shutdown Worldmail first [make sure
all threads exit]
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Crist [mailto:bcrist at microtimes dot com]
Sent: 04 September 2001 16:15
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Corrupt SMTP log
My latest SMTP log will not open with the WM log viewer. Previous logs will
open - when I select the current log, I cannot see any entries. If I
attempt to look at the properties for or refresh the current log, I get a
"Log Viewer Error: Had an ERROR. Please click on the left pane to select
another log." I can open the current log with Notepad, and it is being
amended and appears to be current. Any ideas? I have stopped/restarted the
service, and rebooted. Should I change the logfile size to 0 and the
restart, and reset it to original size, or can I just delete the bad log
file and allow WM to build a new file? Thanks...Brian
From: "Jason Davidson" <jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Subject: RE: Importing mail from another server
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:50:47 -0700
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Paul's right: you can just move the message over and rename the extension to
*.NEW, but in some cases I've had trouble with the 'old' mail on the 'new'
system. If the client is Outlook, the user sometimes has trouble replying
to the 'old' message because the 'new' account doesn't match the 'old'
headers in the mail message.
In cases like this, the replies or forwards from old messages would just get
stuck in the outbox. If your new and old systems contain the same domain
and headers then you probably should have a problem. If they don't make
sure your users know that they may not be able to reply to the old messages
without composing a new one.
Jason Davidson <mailto:jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Crouse Beers and Associates
Engineering, Surveying, Planning, Construction Management
(909) 736-2040 (909) 736-5292 FAX
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Webster [mailto:paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 8:16 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Importing mail from another server
Should be possible in that case ...
You need to put all of the mails into the "correct" mailbox directory for
each user - and then set the extension to .NEW (from memory).
When user logs in they will see them all as new mail .... but is that what
you want?
If the "other" system supports IMAP4 then you should be able to find some
3rd-party software that can read from one mailbox and write to another -
preserving folder structure and status flags as it goes.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: John Coonrod [mailto:jc at thp dot org]
Sent: 01 September 2001 12:49
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Importing mail from another server
I'm planning to move from another server to Worldmail. Is there anyway to
import messages from the old server to Worldmail? (On the old server the
messages are saved as simple rfc formatted files - might there be a way to
just move them?)
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charset=iso-8859-1">
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<BODY style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial" text=#000000 bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001><FONT size=2>Paul's right: you
can just move
the message over and rename the extension to *.NEW, but in some cases
I've had
trouble with the 'old' mail on the 'new' system. If the client is
Outlook,
the user sometimes has trouble replying to the 'old' message because the
'new'
account doesn't match the 'old' headers in the mail
message.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001><FONT size=2>In cases like this,
the replies
or forwards from old messages would just get stuck in the outbox.
If your
new and old systems contain the same domain and headers then you
probably should
have a problem. If they don't make sure your users know that they
may not
be able to reply to the old messages without composing a new
one.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><SPAN
class=724544516-04092001>
<P><FONT size=2>Jason Davidson <<A
href="mailto:jdavidson at crousebeers dot com">mailto:jdavidson@crousebeers dot co
m</A>><BR>Crouse
Beers and Associates<BR>Engineering, Surveying, Planning, Construction
Management<BR>(909) 736-2040 (909) 736-5292 FAX</FONT> </P>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Paul Webster
[mailto:paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday,
September 04,
2001 8:16 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE:
Importing mail from another server<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>Should be possible
in that case
...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>You need to put all
of the
mails into the "correct" mailbox directory for each user - and then set
the
extension to .NEW (from memory).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>When user logs in
they will see
them all as new mail .... but is that what you want?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>If the "other"
system supports
IMAP4 then you should be able to find some 3rd-party software that can
read from
one mailbox and write to another - preserving folder structure and
status flags
as it goes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT
size=2>Paul</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John Coonrod
[mailto:jc at thp dot org]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 01 September 2001
12:49<BR><B>To:</B>
Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> Importing mail from another
server<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=2>I'm planning to move from
another server
to Worldmail. Is there anyway to import messages from the old server to
Worldmail? (On the old server the messages are saved as simple rfc
formatted
files - might there be a way to just move them?)</FONT> </BODY></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:19:22 -0400
From: "John Coonrod" <jc at thp dot org>
Subject: RE: Importing mail from another server
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Thanks, Jason - yes, that works fine but the naming of folders is a mystery
to me - they have artificial names on Worldmail, and they contain a short
text file that also doesn't contain the foldername. How would I import
folders?
- John
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 9/4/2001 at 9:50 AM Jason Davidson wrote:
Paul's right: you can just move the message over and rename the extension
to *.NEW, but in some cases I've had trouble with the 'old' mail on the
'new' system. If the client is Outlook, the user sometimes has trouble
replying to the 'old' message because the 'new' account doesn't match the
'old' headers in the mail message.
In cases like this, the replies or forwards from old messages would just
get stuck in the outbox. If your new and old systems contain the same
domain and headers then you probably should have a problem. If they don't
make sure your users know that they may not be able to reply to the old
messages without composing a new one.
Jason Davidson <mailto:jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Crouse Beers and Associates
Engineering, Surveying, Planning, Construction Management
(909) 736-2040 (909) 736-5292 FAX
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Webster [mailto:paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 8:16 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Importing mail from another server
Should be possible in that case ....
You need to put all of the mails into the "correct" mailbox directory for
each user - and then set the extension to .NEW (from memory).
When user logs in they will see them all as new mail .... but is that what
you want?
If the "other" system supports IMAP4 then you should be able to find some
3rd-party software that can read from one mailbox and write to another -
preserving folder structure and status flags as it goes.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: John Coonrod [mailto:jc at thp dot org]
Sent: 01 September 2001 12:49
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Importing mail from another server
I'm planning to move from another server to Worldmail. Is there anyway to
import messages from the old server to Worldmail? (On the old server the
messages are saved as simple rfc formatted files - might there be a way to
just move them?)
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<BODY style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial" text=#000000 bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV>Thanks, Jason - yes, that works fine but the naming of folders is a
mystery to me - they have artificial names on Worldmail, and they contain a
short text file that also doesn't contain the foldername. How would I import
folders?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>- John<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR
***********<BR><BR>On 9/4/2001 at 9:50 AM Jason Davidson wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid">
<DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001><FONT size=2>Paul's right: you can just
move the message over and rename the extension to *.NEW, but in some cases
I've had trouble with the 'old' mail on the 'new' system. If the client
is Outlook, the user sometimes has trouble replying to the 'old' message
because the 'new' account doesn't match the 'old' headers in the mail
message.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001><FONT size=2>In cases like this, the
replies or forwards from old messages would just get stuck in the
outbox. If your new and old systems contain the same domain and headers
then you probably should have a problem. If they don't make sure your
users know that they may not be able to reply to the old messages without
composing a new one.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001>
<P><FONT size=2>Jason Davidson <<A
href="mailto:jdavidson at crousebeers dot com">mailto:jdavidson@crousebeers dot com</A>><BR>Crouse
Beers and Associates<BR>Engineering, Surveying, Planning, Construction
Management<BR>(909) 736-2040 (909) 736-5292 FAX</FONT> </P>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Paul Webster
[mailto:paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September
04, 2001 8:16 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
Importing mail from another server<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>Should be possible in that
case ....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>You need to put all of the
mails into the "correct" mailbox directory for each user - and then set the
extension to .NEW (from memory).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>When user logs in they will
see them all as new mail .... but is that what you want?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>If the "other" system
supports IMAP4 then you should be able to find some 3rd-party software that
can read from one mailbox and write to another - preserving folder structure
and status flags as it goes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>Paul</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John Coonrod
[mailto:jc at thp dot org]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 01 September 2001 12:49<BR><B>To:</B>
Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> Importing mail from another
server<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=2>I'm planning to move from another
server to Worldmail. Is there anyway to import messages from the old server to
Worldmail? (On the old server the messages are saved as simple rfc formatted
files - might there be a way to just move them?)</FONT> <FONT size=2
Arial></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Jason Davidson" <jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Subject: RE: Importing mail from another server
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:42:10 -0700
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Unfortunately, I've only moved messages successfully, not folders - so I
don't have any experience there.
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: John Coonrod [mailto:jc at thp dot org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:19 AM
To: Jason Davidson; worldmail at lists.pensive dot org
Subject: RE: Importing mail from another server
Thanks, Jason - yes, that works fine but the naming of folders is a mystery
to me - they have artificial names on Worldmail, and they contain a short
text file that also doesn't contain the foldername. How would I import
folders?
- John
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 9/4/2001 at 9:50 AM Jason Davidson wrote:
Paul's right: you can just move the message over and rename the extension
to *.NEW, but in some cases I've had trouble with the 'old' mail on the
'new' system. If the client is Outlook, the user sometimes has trouble
replying to the 'old' message because the 'new' account doesn't match the
'old' headers in the mail message.
In cases like this, the replies or forwards from old messages would just
get stuck in the outbox. If your new and old systems contain the same
domain and headers then you probably should have a problem. If they don't
make sure your users know that they may not be able to reply to the old
messages without composing a new one.
Jason Davidson <mailto:jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Crouse Beers and Associates
Engineering, Surveying, Planning, Construction Management
(909) 736-2040 (909) 736-5292 FAX
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Webster [mailto:paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 8:16 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Importing mail from another server
Should be possible in that case ....
You need to put all of the mails into the "correct" mailbox directory for
each user - and then set the extension to .NEW (from memory).
When user logs in they will see them all as new mail .... but is that what
you want?
If the "other" system supports IMAP4 then you should be able to find some
3rd-party software that can read from one mailbox and write to another -
preserving folder structure and status flags as it goes.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: John Coonrod [mailto:jc at thp dot org]
Sent: 01 September 2001 12:49
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Importing mail from another server
I'm planning to move from another server to Worldmail. Is there anyway to
import messages from the old server to Worldmail? (On the old server the
messages are saved as simple rfc formatted files - might there be a way to
just move them?)
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<BODY style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial" text=#000000 bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><SPAN classƒ2244117-04092001><FONT size=2>Unfortunately, I've
only moved
messages successfully, not folders - so I don't have any experience
there.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN classƒ2244117-04092001><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN classƒ2244117-04092001><FONT
size=2>JD</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John Coonrod
[mailto:jc at thp dot org]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:19
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Jason Davidson;
worldmail at lists.pensive dot org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: Importing mail from another server<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks, Jason - yes, that works fine but the naming of folders
is a
mystery to me - they have artificial names on Worldmail, and they
contain a
short text file that also doesn't contain the foldername. How would I
import
folders?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>- John<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR
***********<BR><BR>On 9/4/2001 at 9:50 AM Jason Davidson
wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px
solid">
<DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001><FONT size=2>Paul's right: you
can just
move the message over and rename the extension to *.NEW, but in some
cases
I've had trouble with the 'old' mail on the 'new' system. If the
client
is Outlook, the user sometimes has trouble replying to the 'old'
message
because the 'new' account doesn't match the 'old' headers in the mail
message.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001><FONT size=2>In cases like
this, the
replies or forwards from old messages would just get stuck in the
outbox. If your new and old systems contain the same domain and
headers
then you probably should have a problem. If they don't make sure
your
users know that they may not be able to reply to the old messages
without
composing a new one.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><SPAN class=724544516-04092001>
<P><FONT size=2>Jason Davidson <<A
href="mailto:jdavidson at crousebeers dot com">mailto:jdavidson@crousebeers dot co
m</A>><BR>Crouse
Beers and Associates<BR>Engineering, Surveying, Planning, Construction
Management<BR>(909) 736-2040 (909) 736-5292 FAX</FONT>
</P>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Paul Webster
[mailto:paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday,
September
04, 2001 8:16 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of
WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
Importing mail from another server<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>Should be
possible in that
case ....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>You need to put
all of the
mails into the "correct" mailbox directory for each user - and then
set the
extension to .NEW (from memory).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>When user logs in
they will
see them all as new mail .... but is that what you
want?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT size=2>If the "other"
system
supports IMAP4 then you should be able to find some 3rd-party software
that
can read from one mailbox and write to another - preserving folder
structure
and status flags as it goes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=727000515-04092001><FONT
size=2>Paul</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John Coonrod
[mailto:jc at thp dot org]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 01 September 2001
12:49<BR><B>To:</B>
Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> Importing mail from
another
server<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=2>I'm planning to move from
another
server to Worldmail. Is there anyway to import messages from the old
server to
Worldmail? (On the old server the messages are saved as simple rfc
formatted
files - might there be a way to just move them?)</FONT> <FONT size=2
Arial></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Subject: RE: Importing mail from another server
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:54:00 -0700
Have you read the tech support article on moving to a new server?
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1420hq.html
I followed those instructions, and it worked for me without a hitch.
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: John Coonrod [mailto:jc at thp dot org]
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 04:49
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Importing mail from another server
I'm planning to move from another server to Worldmail. Is there anyway to
import messages from the old server to Worldmail? (On the old server the
messages are saved as simple rfc formatted files - might there be a way to
just move them?)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:54:45 -0400
From: "John Coonrod" <jc at thp dot org>
Subject: RE: Importing mail from another server
Yes, Chris, I saw that but it only seems to apply to WorldMail servers, not
to other types of servers.
- John
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On 9/4/2001 at 10:54 AM Chris Lander wrote:
>Have you read the tech support article on moving to a new server?
>http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1420hq.html
>
>I followed those instructions, and it worked for me without a hitch.
>
>+---------------------------------------------------------+
>Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
>chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
>+---------------------------------------------------------+
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Coonrod [mailto:jc at thp dot org]
>Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 04:49
>To: Subscribers of WorldMail
>Subject: Importing mail from another server
>
>
>I'm planning to move from another server to Worldmail. Is there anyway to
>import messages from the old server to Worldmail? (On the old server the
>messages are saved as simple rfc formatted files - might there be a way to
>just move them?)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:39:34 -0400
From: Ryan Casey <rcasey at crp dot org>
Subject: worldmail masquerade
We're running worldmail v2.0 on a Windows 2000 server. The server's W2K
domain and the "primary" mail domain have different names. Looking at the
e-mail headers, the mail server reports itself as w2kServer.w2kDomain.org,
I'd like it to identify itself as mail.crp.org. Is there a masquerade
feature available or another way to accomplish this?
Thanks,
-Ryan Casey
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: worldmail masquerade
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:43:36 -0400
Are you using Windows 2000 DNS in an Active Directory domain?? Sounds
like its getting its info from an AD DNS Zone...
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Casey [mailto:rcasey at crp dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:40 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: worldmail masquerade
We're running worldmail v2.0 on a Windows 2000 server. The server's W2K
domain and the "primary" mail domain have different names. Looking at
the
e-mail headers, the mail server reports itself as
w2kServer.w2kDomain.org,
I'd like it to identify itself as mail.crp.org. Is there a masquerade
feature available or another way to accomplish this?
Thanks,
-Ryan Casey
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:01:00 -0400
From: "John Coonrod" <jc at thp dot org>
Subject: Re: worldmail masquerade
I think all you need to do is set the tcpip registry variables properly -
see the tech note on the website about Windows 2000.
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 9/5/2001 at 10:39 AM Ryan Casey wrote:
>We're running worldmail v2.0 on a Windows 2000 server. The server's W2K
>domain and the "primary" mail domain have different names. Looking at the
>e-mail headers, the mail server reports itself as w2kServer.w2kDomain.org,
>I'd like it to identify itself as mail.crp.org. Is there a masquerade
>feature available or another way to accomplish this?
>
>Thanks,
>-Ryan Casey
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:09:48 -0400
From: Ryan Casey <rcasey at crp dot org>
Subject: RE: worldmail masquerade
At 12:43 PM 9/5/2001 -0400, Ben Saren wrote:
>Are you using Windows 2000 DNS in an Active Directory domain?? Sounds
>like its getting its info from an AD DNS Zone...
We are, but according to a Eudora tech support article (see below), the
server name value is gotten from the registry. If I edit those registry
settings, then they will be overwritten the next time the server boots (MS
kb #Q228805) or I'm afraid that the server will no longer function properly
in an AD domain. If I edit those registry keys (and the NV Hostname/Domain
keys) will the server still function properly? Or, is there another solution?
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2041hq.html
Thanks,
-Ryan Casey
From: "Doug Anderson" <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Subject: RE: Replacing WorldMail Server
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:17:49 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Anderson [mailto:doug at douglasanderson dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:46 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Replacing WorldMail Server
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Has anyone replaced their Worldmail server with another NT platform server.
I am looking to upgrade and have my eye on IMail and MDaemon. Please give
any suggestions on mail server software or thoughts about the two I have
show above. Thanks!
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