The AutoShare-Talk list archive ending on 17 Apr 2002
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. RE: Setup of bounce account
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:38:11 +0800
2. setup for multiple domains
"Th. J. van Hoesel" <Th.J.v.Hoesel at thema-media dot nl>
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:05:12 +0100
3. Re: Database format
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:18:59 +0800
4. Re: Moderated list problem
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:23:43 +0800
5. Re: Moderated list problem
Casgrain Philippe <casgrain at MAGELLAN.UMontreal dot CA>
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:28:39 -0500
6. Re: Moderated list problem
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:42:47 +0800
7. Re: Moderated list problem
Casgrain Philippe <casgrain at MAGELLAN.UMontreal dot CA>
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:01:43 -0500
8. Re: Moderated list problem
Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:34:54 +0000
9. Re: Moderated list problem
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:01:47 +0800
10. Re: Moderated list problem
Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:32:21 +0000
11. Re: Moderated list problem
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:12:20 +0800
12. Database Format
Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:10:34 -0500 (EST)
13. Re: Moderated list problem
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
29 Nov 01 09:02:01 -0600
14. Re: Moderated list problem
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:22:05 +0800
15. Re: Moderated list problem
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
29 Nov 01 10:03:35 -0600
16. Re: Moderated list problem
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:34:43 +0800
17. Re: Moderated list problem
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
29 Nov 01 10:45:22 -0600
18. Re: Moderated list problem
Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:21:05 +0000
19. Re: Moderated list problem
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:28:14 +0800
20. Re: Moderated list problem
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
29 Nov 01 11:40:14 -0600
21. Re: Moderated list problem
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:11:11 +0800
22. Process File error: -48
Kevin Shrieve <kshrieve at siteofcare dot com>
Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:35:06 -0800
23. Re: Process File error: -48
Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:35:05 -0800
24. Re: Process File error: -48
Kevin Shrieve <kshrieve at siteofcare dot com>
Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:36:23 -0800
25. Re: Process File error: -48
Kevin Shrieve <kshrieve at siteofcare dot com>
Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:16:18 -0800
26. Garbled vacation notices
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:55:16 +0800
27. Re: AutoShare & MacOS X
David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:15:35 +0100
28. Re: Process File error: -48
"Terry R. Schussler" <terry at trevimedia dot com>
Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:21:26 -0800
29. receives; doesn't send
"Marion O. Weaver" <jasper at alfred dot edu>
Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:22:32 -0500
30. Letting users unsubscribe
David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:26:59 -0500
31. Re: Letting users unsubscribe
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:03:20 -0500
32. Setup SIMS to use proxy server?
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:59:42 -0500
33. Autoshare not allowing subscribe
Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:22:09 -0500 (EST)
34. Tip of the day on a weekly basis
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
04 Feb 02 09:30:07 -0600
35. MIME decoders
Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:56:55 +0000
36. Re: MIME decoders
"Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:49:09 +0100
37. Re: MIME decoders
Terry Allen <hmag at ozemail.com dot au>
Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:26:28 +1100
38. Mysterious disappearing list commands
Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:45:18 -0500 (EST)
39. Thanks Mikael and autoreply bug
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:18:39 +0800
40. Re: Mysterious disappearing list commands
Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:31:58 +0800
41. Bounce message token
Paul Zobitz <pzobitz at miph dot org>
Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:25:06 -0600
42. Filter - File Copy - PE?
Charlie Swiszcz <cjs at mcad dot edu>
Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:25:40 -0600
43. Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 22 Mar 2002
David Baker <dbaker at mttam dot org>
Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:03:14 -0800
44. Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 22 Mar 2002
Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:12:12 -0600
45. RE: AutoShare-Talk digest 22 Mar 2002
Harald Striepe <harald at windholm dot com>
Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:05:17 -0800
46. Process Extender
Andrew Schmiechen <aschmiechen at discovercolor dot com>
Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:19:00 -0500
47. Deaf Autoshare (a continuing saga)
Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:41:19 -0400 (EDT)
48. Re: Deaf Autoshare (a continuing saga)
Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:22:32 -0500
49. Re: Deaf Autoshare (a continuing saga)
Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:21:49 -0400
50. Re: Deaf Autoshare (a continuing saga)
Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:17:27 -0500
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:38:11 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: RE: Setup of bounce account
Thanks, Chuck!
One other thing is that the AutoShare
Admin:Preferences=>Miscellaneous=>Bounce setting should be "On".
BTW, "moderated" list type is still not working for me and I'm
extremely frustrated about that. I've done over 3 dozen tests so far
and no dice! Please let me know if you have any suggestions. The
problem: Message posts are properly sent back to original sender but
not being delivered to moderator (ListMaster).
Best regards,
Derek
At 8:09 AM -0600 11/28/01, Chuck Boody wrote:
> Reply to: RE: Setup of bounce account
>I believe that is correct.
>
>Chuck Boody
>Analyst/Programmer
>ISD 270
>======
>
>Derek Tom wrote:
>>In EIMS, I created an account <bounces at domain dot com> with the
>>mail >action "Save as files" to my AutoShare "Bounce"
>>folder >(MS:Auto:Bounce, for me).
>>
>>In AutoShare, for Preferences=>Miscellaneous, for "Address of
>>bounce >account" I have it set to bounces at domain dot com.
>>
> >Is this correct? Anything else I need to do to get this working properly?
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:05:12 +0100
From: "Th. J. van Hoesel" <Th.J.v.Hoesel at thema-media dot nl>
Subject: setup for multiple domains
I don't get it setup and running:
the-list@domain1
and
the-list@domain2
the whole thing runs under SIMS
domain1 and domain2 are not the main domains at this server, lets say
main.domain
The router and the accounts had been set up properly:
the-list@domain1 = domain1_the-list
the-list@domain2 = domain2_the-list
now the first question starts:
what main accounts need to be made, is one -only one- account enough:
AutoShare@maindomain
or can I have several others like
AutoShare@domain1
Autoshare@domain2
and also what about subscribers address
subscribe-the=list@domain1 and ... dot @domain2
will that work
I don't my customers and especially not the subscribers of the list
have them see or know that they share the server at "maindomain" and
want to show them only the "domain1" or "domain2" names.
Hopefully someone has enough experience with this
Theo
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:18:59 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Database format
At 8:45 AM -0400 8/30/01, Tom Rule wrote:
>Is there anywhere in the docs that details the differences in the various
>database formats? Which one is best to use (i.e. what are the salient
>features of each option?).
Tom, did you get any private feedback on this? None on this list,
I've noticed. I'd like to know this too.
Cheers,
Derek
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:23:43 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
At 12:14 PM -0400 9/24/01, Philippe Casgrain wrote:
>I have a list, let's call it list-l@biol10. This list is moderated, and
>there are two moderators (they are 'allowed to post' manually in list-l). I
>have made another list, with the two moderators as members, let's call it
>list@biol10 (no -l).
Sorry, I don't have an answer to your problem. I'd like to ask
though: How did you set up a moderated list to redirect posts to *2*
moderators? I can't even get my moderated list to redirect to *1*!...
AutoShare is supposed to redirect to "ListMaster" but no go for me.
:(
Thanks for any insight.
Best,
Derek
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:28:39 -0500
From: Casgrain Philippe <casgrain at MAGELLAN.UMontreal dot CA>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Derek Tom wrote:
> At 12:14 PM -0400 9/24/01, Philippe Casgrain wrote:
> >I have a list, let's call it list-l@biol10. This list is moderated, and
> >there are two moderators (they are 'allowed to post' manually in list-l). I
> >have made another list, with the two moderators as members, let's call it
> >list@biol10 (no -l).
>
> Sorry, I don't have an answer to your problem. I'd like to ask
> though: How did you set up a moderated list to redirect posts to *2*
> moderators? I can't even get my moderated list to redirect to *1*!...
In the "moderator" field, I wrote a list address (list@biol10) which is a
private list with the two moderators as members. It *used* to work, and now it
doesn't, which is wierd.
Philippe
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:42:47 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
At 11:28 AM -0500 11/28/01, Casgrain Philippe wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Derek Tom wrote:
>
>> At 12:14 PM -0400 9/24/01, Philippe Casgrain wrote:
>> >I have a list, let's call it list-l@biol10. This list is moderated, and
>> >there are two moderators (they are 'allowed to post' manually in list-l). I
>> >have made another list, with the two moderators as members, let's call it
>> >list@biol10 (no -l).
>>
>> Sorry, I don't have an answer to your problem. I'd like to ask
>> though: How did you set up a moderated list to redirect posts to *2*
>> moderators? I can't even get my moderated list to redirect to *1*!...
>
>In the "moderator" field, I wrote a list address (list@biol10) which is a
>private list with the two moderators as members. It *used* to work, and now it
>doesn't, which is wierd.
Thanks for your feedback, Casgrain. That's a good idea!
By "moderator" field, you mean the general and/or list specific
setting under AutoShare Admin:Configuration=>List that is labeled
"E-mail", correct? Just want to double-confirm.
Also (since I still have not gotten it to work), when a message is
sent to a moderated list is the message redirected *immediately* to
the "moderator" (ListMaster) - or are posts sent to moderators when
Logs or Digests are scheduled to be sent out?
Thanks,
Derek
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:01:43 -0500
From: Casgrain Philippe <casgrain at MAGELLAN.UMontreal dot CA>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Derek Tom wrote:
> At 11:28 AM -0500 11/28/01, Casgrain Philippe wrote:
> >On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Derek Tom wrote:
> >
> >> At 12:14 PM -0400 9/24/01, Philippe Casgrain wrote:
> >> >I have a list, let's call it list-l@biol10. This list is moderated, and
> >> >there are two moderators (they are 'allowed to post' manually in list-l). I
> >> >have made another list, with the two moderators as members, let's call it
> >> >list@biol10 (no -l).
> >>
> >> Sorry, I don't have an answer to your problem. I'd like to ask
> >> though: How did you set up a moderated list to redirect posts to *2*
> >> moderators? I can't even get my moderated list to redirect to *1*!...
> >
> >In the "moderator" field, I wrote a list address (list@biol10) which is a
> >private list with the two moderators as members. It *used* to work, and now it
> >doesn't, which is wierd.
>
> Thanks for your feedback, Casgrain. That's a good idea!
>
> By "moderator" field, you mean the general and/or list specific
> setting under AutoShare Admin:Configuration=>List that is labeled
> "E-mail", correct? Just want to double-confirm.
I think so. I don't have AS in front of me so I can't verify this.
> Also (since I still have not gotten it to work), when a message is
> sent to a moderated list is the message redirected *immediately* to
> the "moderator" (ListMaster) - or are posts sent to moderators when
> Logs or Digests are scheduled to be sent out?
No, they are sent immediately.
Philippe
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:34:54 +0000
From: Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
At 12:42 am +0800 29/11/01, Derek Tom wrote:
>At 11:28 AM -0500 11/28/01, Casgrain Philippe wrote:
>>On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Derek Tom wrote:
>>
>>> At 12:14 PM -0400 9/24/01, Philippe Casgrain wrote:
>>> >I have a list, let's call it list-l@biol10. This list is moderated, and
>>> >there are two moderators (they are 'allowed to post' manually
>>>in list-l). I
>>> >have made another list, with the two moderators as members, let's call it
>>> >list@biol10 (no -l).
If you are using SIMS you can set up a distribution list in SIMS to
send to both moderators.
>>>
>>> Sorry, I don't have an answer to your problem. I'd like to ask
>>> though: How did you set up a moderated list to redirect posts to *2*
>>> moderators? I can't even get my moderated list to redirect to *1*!...
>>
>>In the "moderator" field, I wrote a list address (list@biol10) which is a
>>private list with the two moderators as members. It *used* to work,
>>and now it
>>doesn't, which is wierd.
>
>Thanks for your feedback, Casgrain. That's a good idea!
>
>By "moderator" field, you mean the general and/or list specific
>setting under AutoShare Admin:Configuration=>List that is labeled
>"E-mail", correct? Just want to double-confirm.
>
>Also (since I still have not gotten it to work), when a message is
>sent to a moderated list is the message redirected *immediately* to
>the "moderator" (ListMaster) - or are posts sent to moderators when
>Logs or Digests are scheduled to be sent out?
It goes out immediately, to whatever address is in the list-specific
E-mail field.
Bill Bedford
If it's war, shouldn't there be some one fighting back?
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:01:47 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
Thanks very much for your feed back Bill and Casgrain!
In EIMS, I guess could set up the moderator account as a "Mailing
list" or, if the 2 moderators have accounts on the server, use a
Group account. If I could only get the message to forward to the
moderator... :(
Best regards,
Derek
At 5:34 PM +0000 11/28/01, Bill Bedford wrote:
>At 12:42 am +0800 29/11/01, Derek Tom wrote:
>
>>At 11:28 AM -0500 11/28/01, Casgrain Philippe wrote:
>>>On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Derek Tom wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 12:14 PM -0400 9/24/01, Philippe Casgrain wrote:
>>>> >I have a list, let's call it list-l@biol10. This list is moderated, and
>>>> >there are two moderators (they are 'allowed to post' manually
>>>>in list-l). I
>>>> >have made another list, with the two moderators as members,
>>>>let's call it
>>>> >list@biol10 (no -l).
>
>If you are using SIMS you can set up a distribution list in SIMS to
>send to both moderators.
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:32:21 +0000
From: Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
At 5:01 pm +0800 29/11/01, Derek Tom wrote:
>Thanks very much for your feed back Bill and Casgrain!
>
>In EIMS, I guess could set up the moderator account as a "Mailing
>list" or, if the 2 moderators have accounts on the server, use a
>Group account. If I could only get the message to forward to the
>moderator... :(
In the Admin go to preferences -> more folders and ensure that the
'save filed mail' and 'save incoming mail' folders are enabled. This
will tell you whether your error is in Autoshare or EIMS
Bill Bedford
If it's war, shouldn't there be some one fighting back?
--
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:12:20 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
At 9:32 AM +0000 11/29/01, Bill Bedford wrote:
>In the Admin go to preferences -> more folders and ensure that the
>'save filed mail' and 'save incoming mail' folders are enabled.
>This will tell you whether your error is in Autoshare or EIMS
Thanks for your feedback.
I've figured out that part of my problem is my misunderstanding of
how a moderated list works. I thought that for every post, 2 messages
are sent out - 1 to the original sender (with note, "This
contribution has been forwarded to the moderator") and 1 to the
moderator. Of course, all of you know that that is not how it works.
Only 1 message goes to the moderator and it is this message that
begins with "This contribution has been forwarded to the moderator".
Now that I am clear on that, I have another problem: Using Eudora, if
I redirect the message (and delete the "This contribution has been
forwarded to the moderator" note) using the list-specific ListMaster
address (the one labeled "E-mail") to the list address, the message
just goes back to the moderator's mailbox and is not posted to the
list. I made sure that the moderator (ListMaster address) was a
subscriber to the list (does it have to be?) but it still does not
work.
Don't know if this is relevant, but for AutoShare
Admin:Preferences=>More Miscellaneous I have checked "RFC From" and
"Subscriber aliases".
My Eudora account is set up like this:
Username = listmaster
Mail Server = bbdo.com.hk
SMTP Server = bbdo.com.hk
Return address = listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk
And again, this matches my moderator address setting (labeled
"E-mail" for my list-specific settings): listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk
Any idea what's wrong? Thanks for any suggestions!
Best regards,
Derek
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:10:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Subject: Database Format
At 8:45 AM -0400 8/30/01, Tom Rule alledgedly misspelled:
>Is there anywhere in the docs that details the differences in the various
>database formats? Which one is best to use (i.e. what are the salient
>features of each option?).
>Tom, did you get any private feedback on this? None on this list,
>I've noticed. I'd like to know this too.
>Cheers,
>Derek
No - So how about it folks?
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Date: 29 Nov 01 09:02:01 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
Reply to: Re: Moderated list problem
I think for the mail to be posted to the list you need to mail from the
listmaster to the list, and not to the listmaster.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
======
Derek Tom wrote:
>At 9:32 AM +0000 11/29/01, Bill Bedford wrote:
>>In the Admin go to preferences -> more folders and ensure that the
>>'save filed mail' and 'save incoming mail' folders are enabled.
>>This will tell you whether your error is in Autoshare or EIMS
>
>Thanks for your feedback.
>
>I've figured out that part of my problem is my misunderstanding of
>how a moderated list works. I thought that for every post, 2 messages
>are sent out - 1 to the original sender (with note, "This
>contribution has been forwarded to the moderator") and 1 to the
>moderator. Of course, all of you know that that is not how it works.
>Only 1 message goes to the moderator and it is this message that
>begins with "This contribution has been forwarded to the moderator".
>
>Now that I am clear on that, I have another problem: Using Eudora, if
>I redirect the message (and delete the "This contribution has been
>forwarded to the moderator" note) using the list-specific ListMaster
>address (the one labeled "E-mail") to the list address, the message
>just goes back to the moderator's mailbox and is not posted to the
>list. I made sure that the moderator (ListMaster address) was a
>subscriber to the list (does it have to be?) but it still does not
>work.
>
>Don't know if this is relevant, but for AutoShare
>Admin:Preferences=>More Miscellaneous I have checked "RFC From" and
>"Subscriber aliases".
>
>My Eudora account is set up like this:
>Username = listmaster
>Mail Server = bbdo.com.hk
>SMTP Server = bbdo.com.hk
>Return address = listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk
>
>And again, this matches my moderator address setting (labeled
>"E-mail" for my list-specific settings): listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk
>
>Any idea what's wrong? Thanks for any suggestions!
>
>Best regards,
>Derek
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:22:05 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
Thanks for your reply, Chuck.
Yes, that is exactly what I did - mailed from
<listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk> to my list. Well, I redirected using my
Listmaster personality in Eudora to my list. So if a post came from
<christy at bbdo.com dot hk> and I redirected, the message I sent out looks
like this:
To: <listname>@bbdo.com.hk
From: Christy Wong <christy at bbdo.com dot hk> (by way of Listmaster)
But it fails to work. I also examined my AutoShare preferences file
in ResEdit and the list-specific setting for that particular list
looks just fine (STR# 1001,2 matches "listmaster@bbdo.com dot hk").
Any other suggestions, Chuck or anyone else? This problem has got me
totally stumped!
Mikael, please help... are you still on this list?
Thanks again,
Derek
At 9:02 AM -0600 11/29/01, Chuck Boody wrote:
> Reply to: Re: Moderated list problem
>I think for the mail to be posted to the list you need to mail from
>the listmaster to the list, and not to the listmaster.
>
>Chuck Boody
>Analyst/Programmer
>ISD 270
>======
>
>Derek Tom wrote:
>>At 9:32 AM +0000 11/29/01, Bill Bedford wrote:
>>>In the Admin go to preferences -> more folders and ensure that
>>>the >>'save filed mail' and 'save incoming mail' folders are
>>>enabled. >>This will tell you whether your error is in Autoshare
>>>or EIMS
>>
>>Thanks for your feedback.
>>
>>I've figured out that part of my problem is my misunderstanding
>>of >how a moderated list works. I thought that for every post, 2
>>messages >are sent out - 1 to the original sender (with note,
>>"This >contribution has been forwarded to the moderator") and 1 to
>>the >moderator. Of course, all of you know that that is not how it
>>works. >Only 1 message goes to the moderator and it is this message
>>that >begins with "This contribution has been forwarded to the
>>moderator".
>>
>>Now that I am clear on that, I have another problem: Using Eudora,
>>if >I redirect the message (and delete the "This contribution has
>>been >forwarded to the moderator" note) using the list-specific
>>ListMaster >address (the one labeled "E-mail") to the list address,
>>the message >just goes back to the moderator's mailbox and is not
>>posted to the >list. I made sure that the moderator (ListMaster
>>address) was a >subscriber to the list (does it have to be?) but it
>>still does not >work.
>>
>>Don't know if this is relevant, but for
>>AutoShare >Admin:Preferences=>More Miscellaneous I have checked
>>"RFC From" and >"Subscriber aliases".
>>
>>My Eudora account is set up like this:
>>Username = listmaster
>>Mail Server = bbdo.com.hk
>>SMTP Server = bbdo.com.hk
>>Return address = listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk
>>
>>And again, this matches my moderator address setting
>>(labeled >"E-mail" for my list-specific settings):
>>listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk
>>
>>Any idea what's wrong? Thanks for any suggestions!
>>
>>Best regards,
> >Derek
Date: 29 Nov 01 10:03:35 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
Reply to: Re: Moderated list problem
I'm in over my head here, but I think the redirect is the issue. Try
using "forward" instead. My client doesn't have redirect, but I think it
does not change the header that autoshare needs to see to know that the
message came from the listmaster.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
======
Derek Tom wrote:
>Thanks for your reply, Chuck.
>
>Yes, that is exactly what I did - mailed from
><listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk> to my list. Well, I redirected using my
>Listmaster personality in Eudora to my list. So if a post came from
><christy at bbdo.com dot hk> and I redirected, the message I sent out looks
>like this:
>
>To: <listname>@bbdo.com.hk
>From: Christy Wong <christy at bbdo.com dot hk> (by way of Listmaster)
>
>But it fails to work. I also examined my AutoShare preferences file
>in ResEdit and the list-specific setting for that particular list
>looks just fine (STR# 1001,2 matches "listmaster@bbdo.com dot hk").
>
>Any other suggestions, Chuck or anyone else? This problem has got me
>totally stumped!
>
>Mikael, please help... are you still on this list?
>
>Thanks again,
>Derek
>
>
>At 9:02 AM -0600 11/29/01, Chuck Boody wrote:
>> Reply to: Re: Moderated list problem
>>I think for the mail to be posted to the list you need to mail from
>>the listmaster to the list, and not to the listmaster.
>>
>>Chuck Boody
>>Analyst/Programmer
>>ISD 270
>>======
>>
>>Derek Tom wrote:
>>>At 9:32 AM +0000 11/29/01, Bill Bedford wrote:
>>>>In the Admin go to preferences -> more folders and ensure that
>>>>the >>'save filed mail' and 'save incoming mail' folders are
>>>>enabled. >>This will tell you whether your error is in Autoshare
>>>>or EIMS
>>>
>>>Thanks for your feedback.
>>>
>>>I've figured out that part of my problem is my misunderstanding
>>>of >how a moderated list works. I thought that for every post, 2
>>>messages >are sent out - 1 to the original sender (with note,
>>>"This >contribution has been forwarded to the moderator") and 1 to
>>>the >moderator. Of course, all of you know that that is not how it
>>>works. >Only 1 message goes to the moderator and it is this message
>>>that >begins with "This contribution has been forwarded to the
>>>moderator".
>>>
>>>Now that I am clear on that, I have another problem: Using Eudora,
>>>if >I redirect the message (and delete the "This contribution has
>>>been >forwarded to the moderator" note) using the list-specific
>>>ListMaster >address (the one labeled "E-mail") to the list address,
>>>the message >just goes back to the moderator's mailbox and is not
>>>posted to the >list. I made sure that the moderator (ListMaster
>>>address) was a >subscriber to the list (does it have to be?) but it
>>>still does not >work.
>>>
>>>Don't know if this is relevant, but for
>>>AutoShare >Admin:Preferences=>More Miscellaneous I have checked
>>>"RFC From" and >"Subscriber aliases".
>>>
>>>My Eudora account is set up like this:
>>>Username = listmaster
>>>Mail Server = bbdo.com.hk
>>>SMTP Server = bbdo.com.hk
>>>Return address = listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk
>>>
>>>And again, this matches my moderator address setting
>>>(labeled >"E-mail" for my list-specific settings):
>>>listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk
>>>
>>>Any idea what's wrong? Thanks for any suggestions!
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>> >Derek
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:34:43 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
At 10:03 AM -0600 11/29/01, Chuck Boody wrote:
> Reply to: Re: Moderated list problem
>I'm in over my head here, but I think the redirect is the issue.
>Try using "forward" instead. My client doesn't have redirect, but I
>think it does not change the header that autoshare needs to see to
>know that the message came from the listmaster.
Thanks again for your suggestion! It didn't help but doing so
revealed something even stranger.
The test list I have set up is <bap at bbdo.com dot hk>.
So I did "forwarding" instead of "redirect" and the headers of the
message I sent out were:
To: bap list <bap at bbdo.com dot hk>
From: Listmaster <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
Guess what? I got this error returned to my <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
mailbox!...
To: bap at bbdo.com dot hk (Subscribers of bap)
From: Listmaster <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: [bap] Test 19
************************************************************
ATTENTION PLEASE
Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
You do not have permission to post to this list (bap)
The list server address is autoshare at bbdo.com dot hk
************************************************************
I did a REVIEW to see if <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk> was a subscriber
and sure enough, it is:
To: Derek Tom <derek at bbdoasia dot com>
From: AutoShare at bbdo.com dot hk (AutoShare Listserver)
Subject: review bap
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:03:43 +0800
The subscribers to the list are:
--- bap ---
christy at bbdo.com dot hk Christy Wong
listmaster at bbdo.com.hk listmaster at bbdo dot com dot hk
derek at bbdoasia dot com derek at bbdoasia dot com
Listed subscribers: 3
Concealed subscribers: 0
Total subscribers: 3
Just to double-check, I issued a SUBSCRIBE command and got this,
which is expected and correct, of course:
To: Listmaster <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
From: AutoShare at bbdo.com dot hk (AutoShare Listserver)
Subject: sub bap
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:17:27 +0800
Your subscription has been received pertaining to the following list:
bap
Already subscribed
Your original message is found below.
---
>Return-Path: <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
>Received: from [10.0.1.201] (61.18.144.153) by bbdo.com.hk with ESMTP
> (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0.3) for <AutoShare at bbdo.com dot hk>;
> Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:17:10 +0800
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>X-Sender: listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk (Unverified)
>Message-Id: <p05100307b82c0fece11f at [10.0.1 dot 201]>
>Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:17:13 +0800
>To: AutoShare at bbdo.com dot hk
>From: Listmaster <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
>subscribe bap
So now I've got 2 problems: All posts to this moderated list
<bap at bbdo.com.hk> get delivered ONLY to <listmaster at bbdo dot com dot hk> -
nothing is posted to the subscribers even after a Redirect or Forward
to the list <bap at bbdo.com.hk>. Secondly, the <listmaster at bbdo dot com dot hk>
can't even post to the list - even if it is a subscriber and
moderator (ListMaster)!! What the heck is going on here!
Oh, if a subscriber like <christy at bbdo.com dot hk> posts to the list
<bap at bbdo.com dot hk>, her message is properly delivered to the
<listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk> mailbox. Why a message from
<listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk> (also a subscriber) to the list
<bap at bbdo.com dot hk> is REJECTED is very puzzling, indeed.
Any more thoughts or suggestions are welcome and greatly appreciated,
of course. Thanks again, Chuck.
Best,
Derek
Date: 29 Nov 01 10:45:22 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
Reply to: Re: Moderated list problem
Not enough info to be sure of these thoughts, but here goes:
1) If you subscribe someone to a list they may not have rights to post
depending on how the list is set up. Check the preferences for the
account that gets rejected. Perhaps the rights are set incorrectly.
2) Once you have 1 figured out send a message to the list from the
listmaster and see if it goes as it should. If all is well then try
sending from another person (which should go to the listmaster) and then
do the reply. I'll bet this will work.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
======
Derek Tom wrote:
>At 10:03 AM -0600 11/29/01, Chuck Boody wrote:
>> Reply to: Re: Moderated list problem
>>I'm in over my head here, but I think the redirect is the issue.
>>Try using "forward" instead. My client doesn't have redirect, but I
>>think it does not change the header that autoshare needs to see to
>>know that the message came from the listmaster.
>
>Thanks again for your suggestion! It didn't help but doing so
>revealed something even stranger.
>
>The test list I have set up is <bap at bbdo.com dot hk>.
>
>So I did "forwarding" instead of "redirect" and the headers of the
>message I sent out were:
>
>To: bap list <bap at bbdo.com dot hk>
>From: Listmaster <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
>
>Guess what? I got this error returned to my <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
>mailbox!...
>
>To: bap at bbdo.com dot hk (Subscribers of bap)
>From: Listmaster <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
>Subject: [bap] Test 19
>
>************************************************************
>ATTENTION PLEASE
>Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
>You do not have permission to post to this list (bap)
>The list server address is autoshare at bbdo.com dot hk
>************************************************************
>
>
>I did a REVIEW to see if <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk> was a subscriber
>and sure enough, it is:
>
>To: Derek Tom <derek at bbdoasia dot com>
>From: AutoShare at bbdo.com dot hk (AutoShare Listserver)
>Subject: review bap
>Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:03:43 +0800
>
>The subscribers to the list are:
>
>--- bap ---
>
>christy at bbdo.com dot hk Christy Wong
>listmaster at bbdo.com.hk listmaster at bbdo dot com dot hk
>derek at bbdoasia dot com derek at bbdoasia dot com
>
>Listed subscribers: 3
>Concealed subscribers: 0
>Total subscribers: 3
>
>
>Just to double-check, I issued a SUBSCRIBE command and got this,
>which is expected and correct, of course:
>
>To: Listmaster <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
>From: AutoShare at bbdo.com dot hk (AutoShare Listserver)
>Subject: sub bap
>Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:17:27 +0800
>
>Your subscription has been received pertaining to the following list:
>
>bap
>Already subscribed
>
>Your original message is found below.
>
>---
>>Return-Path: <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
>>Received: from [10.0.1.201] (61.18.144.153) by bbdo.com.hk with ESMTP
>> (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0.3) for <AutoShare at bbdo.com dot hk>;
>> Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:17:10 +0800
>>Mime-Version: 1.0
>>X-Sender: listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk (Unverified)
>>Message-Id: <p05100307b82c0fece11f at [10.0.1 dot 201]>
>>Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:17:13 +0800
>>To: AutoShare at bbdo.com dot hk
>>From: Listmaster <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>>
>>subscribe bap
>
>
>
>So now I've got 2 problems: All posts to this moderated list
><bap at bbdo.com.hk> get delivered ONLY to <listmaster at bbdo dot com dot hk> -
>nothing is posted to the subscribers even after a Redirect or Forward
>to the list <bap at bbdo.com.hk>. Secondly, the <listmaster at bbdo dot com dot hk>
>can't even post to the list - even if it is a subscriber and
>moderator (ListMaster)!! What the heck is going on here!
>
>Oh, if a subscriber like <christy at bbdo.com dot hk> posts to the list
><bap at bbdo.com dot hk>, her message is properly delivered to the
><listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk> mailbox. Why a message from
><listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk> (also a subscriber) to the list
><bap at bbdo.com dot hk> is REJECTED is very puzzling, indeed.
>
>Any more thoughts or suggestions are welcome and greatly appreciated,
>of course. Thanks again, Chuck.
>
>Best,
>Derek
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:21:05 +0000
From: Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
At 12:34 am +0800 30/11/01, Derek Tom wrote:
>At 10:03 AM -0600 11/29/01, Chuck Boody wrote:
>> Reply to: Re: Moderated list problem
>>I'm in over my head here, but I think the redirect is the issue.
>>Try using "forward" instead. My client doesn't have redirect, but
>>I think it does not change the header that autoshare needs to see
>>to know that the message came from the listmaster.
>
>Thanks again for your suggestion! It didn't help but doing so
>revealed something even stranger.
>
>The test list I have set up is <bap at bbdo.com dot hk>.
>
>So I did "forwarding" instead of "redirect" and the headers of the
>message I sent out were:
>
>To: bap list <bap at bbdo.com dot hk>
>From: Listmaster <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
>
>Guess what? I got this error returned to my <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
>mailbox!...
>
>To: bap at bbdo.com dot hk (Subscribers of bap)
>From: Listmaster <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
>Subject: [bap] Test 19
>
>************************************************************
>ATTENTION PLEASE
>Sorry. Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded
>You do not have permission to post to this list (bap)
>The list server address is autoshare at bbdo.com dot hk
>************************************************************
>
>
>I did a REVIEW to see if <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk> was a subscriber
>and sure enough, it is:
So do you have list master as able to post?
Bill Bedford
If it's war, shouldn't there be some one fighting back?
--
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:28:14 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
Chuck, you da man! I have not yet resolved the problem completely but
your thought #1 (below) helped a lot.
I did a remote "<password> SET listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk BAP post". Got
this confirmation: "Post has been turned on for your subscription."
I was then able to post to the list from <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>. Hurray!
Then I tried the full process: Subscriber to list. Post to
Listmaster. But when I "redirected" from <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
back to the list, the message got sent back to the moderator's
mailbox <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>. I would like the posts to come
From: the original senders so that's why I want to have "Redirect"
working rather than "Forward".
I think this last part is not working because I have set AutoShare to
use "RFC From" (AutoShare Admin:Preferences=>More Miscellaneous).
With that setting, when I redirect, AutoShare is looking at whatever
address is in the "From" field (with a Redirect, that means the
original sender and NOT the Listmaster) so my "redirect" appears to
AutoShare to be just a post from a subscriber - not the Listmaster
who is the only one allowed to post to a moderated list. Yup, that
would explain it! So I think I need to uncheck the "RFC From" option
so that AutoShare uses "SMTP envelope sender" (instead of "RFC From")
to determine what address to match up. I will try this tomorrow when
I'm back in the office (I'm home now and it's late here in Hong
Kong!). We'll see...
Chuck, thanks very much for taking the time to help - I really
appreciate it. I owe you one!
Will do a follow-up message tomorrow and summarize my findings in
hopes that it might help others who run into this same problem.
Best,
Derek
At 10:45 AM -0600 11/29/01, Chuck Boody wrote:
> Reply to: Re: Moderated list problem
>Not enough info to be sure of these thoughts, but here goes:
>
>1) If you subscribe someone to a list they may not have rights to
>post depending on how the list is set up. Check the preferences for
>the account that gets rejected. Perhaps the rights are set
>incorrectly.
>
>2) Once you have 1 figured out send a message to the list from the
>listmaster and see if it goes as it should. If all is well then try
>sending from another person (which should go to the listmaster) and
>then do the reply. I'll bet this will work.
Date: 29 Nov 01 11:40:14 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
Reply to: Re: Moderated list problem
I'd bet that will solve it.
good luck
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
======
Derek Tom wrote:
>Chuck, you da man! I have not yet resolved the problem completely but
>your thought #1 (below) helped a lot.
>
>I did a remote "<password> SET listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk BAP post". Got
>this confirmation: "Post has been turned on for your subscription."
>
>I was then able to post to the list from <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>. Hurray!
>
>Then I tried the full process: Subscriber to list. Post to
>Listmaster. But when I "redirected" from <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>
>back to the list, the message got sent back to the moderator's
>mailbox <listmaster at bbdo.com dot hk>. I would like the posts to come
>From: the original senders so that's why I want to have "Redirect"
>working rather than "Forward".
>
>I think this last part is not working because I have set AutoShare to
>use "RFC From" (AutoShare Admin:Preferences=>More Miscellaneous).
>With that setting, when I redirect, AutoShare is looking at whatever
>address is in the "From" field (with a Redirect, that means the
>original sender and NOT the Listmaster) so my "redirect" appears to
>AutoShare to be just a post from a subscriber - not the Listmaster
>who is the only one allowed to post to a moderated list. Yup, that
>would explain it! So I think I need to uncheck the "RFC From" option
>so that AutoShare uses "SMTP envelope sender" (instead of "RFC From")
>to determine what address to match up. I will try this tomorrow when
>I'm back in the office (I'm home now and it's late here in Hong
>Kong!). We'll see...
>
>Chuck, thanks very much for taking the time to help - I really
>appreciate it. I owe you one!
>
>Will do a follow-up message tomorrow and summarize my findings in
>hopes that it might help others who run into this same problem.
>
>Best,
>Derek
>
>At 10:45 AM -0600 11/29/01, Chuck Boody wrote:
>> Reply to: Re: Moderated list problem
>>Not enough info to be sure of these thoughts, but here goes:
>>
>>1) If you subscribe someone to a list they may not have rights to
>>post depending on how the list is set up. Check the preferences for
>>the account that gets rejected. Perhaps the rights are set
>>incorrectly.
>>
>>2) Once you have 1 figured out send a message to the list from the
>>listmaster and see if it goes as it should. If all is well then try
>>sending from another person (which should go to the listmaster) and
>>then do the reply. I'll bet this will work.
>
>RFC822 header
>-----------------------------------
>
> Return-Path: <AutoShare-Talk-errors at lists.pensive dot org>
> Received: from turing.pensive.org (204.210.11.246) by hopkins.k12.mn.us
> with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0.1) for
> <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>; Thu, 29 Nov 2001
> 11:27:26 -0600
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> Mime-Version: 1.0
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> To: Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk <autoshare-talk at lists.pensive dot org>
> From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
> Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
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>
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:11:11 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Moderated list problem
Chuck Boody and Bill Bedford, thanks very much for your help.
With their help, here's a checklist I came up with to get a moderated
list working:
1. In AutoShare Admin, for Configuration=>Lists=><list>=>List Type,
"Moderated" should be selected (obviously)
2. In that window, make sure address under "E-mail" = Moderator =
only account that can actually post to list
3. In AutoShare Admin, for Preferences=>More Miscellaneous, "RFC From
(vs envelope)" option should NOT be ticked (unless you don't mind all
posts coming from Moderator)
4. Moderator (specified in #2) must be a subscriber to the list AND
have "post" privileges
(Note: To change default settings for new subscribers, in AutoShare
Admin, go to Configuration=>Lists, select a list, and click the "More
list" button.)
All posts from any subscriber, other than the Moderator, will get
delivered to the Moderator's mailbox. (Posts from the Moderator will
go directly to all list subscribers.) If you're the Moderator, you
will receive all posts with the following note added at the top of
the message body.
************************************************************
This contribution has been forwarded to the moderator
************************************************************
If you use Eudora and you approve of the post, *Redirect* the post
back to the list using the Moderator account but delete that note
(This contribution has been...) before you hit "Send". That's it!
Hope this helps others. Thanks again to Chuck and Bill!
Cheers,
Derek
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:35:06 -0800
From: Kevin Shrieve <kshrieve at siteofcare dot com>
Subject: Process File error: -48
Last month I spent a little time trying to set up a mailing list and
archives with AutoShare 4.2.3 and EIMS 2.2. I did not competely
succeed, but left it up and running so that I could play with it from
time to time.
Monday morning, December 3, the EIMS Mail Log was scrolling an
endless stream of the following error message:
Error for mailing list Hard Drive:AutoShare:Auto:List Server type -48
Process File error: -48
1) What do I need to do to get that error message to stop? For now,
I would be happy to disable AutoShare completely until I get time to
explore it some more, but quitting it doesn't seem to be enough.
2) What might that error message be indicating?
Thanks for any help.
Kevin Shrieve
kshrieve at siteofcare dot com
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:35:05 -0800
From: Mark Hartman <mh-list at harthaven dot com>
Subject: Re: Process File error: -48
At 2:35 PM -0800 12/4/01, Kevin Shrieve wrote:
>Monday morning, December 3, the EIMS Mail Log was scrolling an
>endless stream of the following error message:
>
>Error for mailing list Hard Drive:AutoShare:Auto:List Server type -48
>Process File error: -48
>
>1) What do I need to do to get that error message to stop? For now,
>I would be happy to disable AutoShare completely until I get time to
>explore it some more, but quitting it doesn't seem to be enough.
>
>2) What might that error message be indicating?
The message means "File already open with write permission." In other
words, EIMS is trying to open a file that someone already has open.
You didn't open its log file with SimpleText and forget to quit, did you?
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:36:23 -0800
From: Kevin Shrieve <kshrieve at siteofcare dot com>
Subject: Re: Process File error: -48
>The message means "File already open with write permission." In other
>words, EIMS is trying to open a file that someone already has open.
>
>You didn't open its log file with SimpleText and forget to quit, did you?
Thanks for the troubleshooting help, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
The message list has never been active except for a few test messages
from me. Why do you think there is activity now? A
turn-of-the-month archive function? How can I get it to stop trying
to write the file? AutoShare is not running.
Can you think of some change I can make with EIMS Admin to end this?
My tour through the menus shows me nothing.
Thanks.
Kevin
>At 2:35 PM -0800 12/4/01, Kevin Shrieve wrote:
> >Monday morning, December 3, the EIMS Mail Log was scrolling an
> >endless stream of the following error message:
> >
> >Error for mailing list Hard Drive:AutoShare:Auto:List Server type -48
> >Process File error: -48
> >
> >1) What do I need to do to get that error message to stop? For now,
> >I would be happy to disable AutoShare completely until I get time to
> >explore it some more, but quitting it doesn't seem to be enough.
> >
> >2) What might that error message be indicating?
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:16:18 -0800
From: Kevin Shrieve <kshrieve at siteofcare dot com>
Subject: Re: Process File error: -48
>Can you think of some change I can make with EIMS Admin to end this?
>My tour through the menus shows me nothing.
OK, I was able to get it to stop in EIMS Admin by changing the
settings for the test accounts I had set up, from "Mail Action:
Mailing List" to "Mail Action: None". I'll have to go back sometime
to see why I was getting the error (and how to get the functionality
I want), but at least I've stopped the stream of error messages.
Thanks for your time.
Kevin
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:55:16 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Garbled vacation notices
This problem has been reported numerous times on this list but no one
seems to have an answer...
This vacation notice (properly returned/autoreplied to sender)...
>To: Derek Tom <derek at bbdoasia dot com>
>From: Paul Chan <paul.chan at bbdo.com dot hk>
>Subject:
>Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:32:56 +0800
>
>Dear Sir / Madam,
>
>Please be informed that Paul is no longer working at BBDO.
>
>For personal matters, please send your email to "paulchanty@hongkong dot com".
>(Please try not to attach files.)
>
>Otherwise, please forward your email to "priscilla.woo@bbdo.com dot hk".
>
>Thanks for your attention.
>
>Best regards,
>Priscilla Woo
>Creative Support Officer
>BBDO Hong Kong Limited
=2E..sometime becomes this garbled mess below and I think, importantly,
this seems to occur only when the received message has (HTML or
RichText) text styles in it:
>X-Sender: paul.chan at bbdo.com dot hk
>To: Priscilla Woo <priscilla.woo at bbdo.com dot hk>
>From: paul.chan at bbdo.com dot hk
>Subject: Tony & Leslie's Farewell Karaoke Night <Reminder>
>Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:00:24 +0800
>List-Software: AutoShare 4.2.3 by Mikael Hansen
>
>Dear Sir / Madam,
>hk, Tony & Leslie's Farewell Karaok
>
>ar Sir / Madam,
>hk, Tony & Leslie's Farewell Karaok
>Please be informed that Paul is no longer working at BBDO.
>
>
>ease be informed that Paul is no longer working at BBDO.
>
>For personal matters, please send your email to "paulchanty@hongkong dot com".
>¨ÅsXM_ @_hM_ÄëŠ
>(Please try not to attach files.)
>our email to "paulchanty@hongkong dot com".
>¨ÅsXM_ @_hM_ÄëŠ
>
>lease try not to attach files.)
>our email to "paulchanty@hongkong dot com".
>¨ÅsXM_ @_hM_ÄëŠ
>Otherwise, please forward your email to "priscilla.woo@bbdo.com dot hk".
>om".
>¨ÅsXM_ @_hM_ÄëŠ
>
>herwise, please forward your email to "priscilla.woo@bbdo.com dot hk".
>om".
>¨ÅsXM_ @_hM_ÄëŠ
>Thanks for your attention.
>ur email to "priscilla.woo@bbdo.com dot hk".
>om".
>¨ÅsXM_ @_hM_ÄëŠ
>
>anks for your attention.
>ur email to "priscilla.woo@bbdo.com dot hk".
>om".
>¨ÅsXM_ @_hM_ÄëŠ
>Best regards,
> attention.
>ur email to "priscilla.woo@bbdo.com dot hk".
>om".
>¨ÅsXM_ @_hM_ÄëŠ
>Priscilla Woo
> attention.
>ur email to "priscilla.woo@bbdo.com dot hk".
>om".
>¨ÅsXM_ @_hM_ÄëŠ
>Creative Support Officer
>
>ur email to "priscilla.woo@bbdo.com dot hk".
>om".
>¨ÅsXM_ @_hM_ÄëŠ
>BBDO Hong Kong Limited
>
>
>ur email to "priscilla.woo@bbdo.com dot hk".
>om".
>¨ÅsXM_ @_hM_ÄëŠ
Any suggestions for fixing this? Running latest version of AutoShare
4.2.3 with EIMS 3.0.3 on a PowerMac 7600/180.
Thanks,
Derek
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:15:35 +0100
From: David Stodolsky <david.stodolsky at socialinformatics dot org>
Subject: Re: AutoShare & MacOS X
>>Is anyone running AutoShare under MacOS X/Classic?
>
>Both EIMS and AutoShare run fine for me in Classic.
>
>>Mikael, any plans on MacOS X?
>
>The AutoShare code was made Carbon-clean (compiled and linked) for
>Mac OS X in the early summer before the current 4.2.3 was released,
>but the AutoShare X application back then crashed in so many various
>situations that I decided to take a break from it all as the compiler
What is the autoshare.cf.sit file that I found in my wanderings on the Web
in Feb?
dss
--
David S. Stodolsky, PhD PGP: 0x35490763 david.stodolsky at ddf dot dk
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:21:26 -0800
From: "Terry R. Schussler" <terry at trevimedia dot com>
Subject: Re: Process File error: -48
At 6:16 PM -0800 12/4/01, Kevin Shrieve wrote:
>>Can you think of some change I can make with EIMS Admin to end this?
>>My tour through the menus shows me nothing.
>
>OK, I was able to get it to stop in EIMS Admin by changing the
>settings for the test accounts I had set up, from "Mail Action:
>Mailing List" to "Mail Action: None". I'll have to go back sometime
>to see why I was getting the error (and how to get the functionality
>I want), but at least I've stopped the stream of error messages.
>
>Thanks for your time.
You probably have a zero-byte file in your mail folder. I've seen this
problem occur about once a year - usually after EIMS has crashed in the
middle of writing out a message file. You have to delete the file and then
restart EIMS. Switching your setting in your test situation probably
worked around the problem but wouldn't be useful in a production
environment use of the server.
--
...---===| Terry R. Schussler |===---...
...---===| Chief Investigator |===---...
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gotoNetPage coolSites[random(1, 6)]
end accessResources
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:22:32 -0500
From: "Marion O. Weaver" <jasper at alfred dot edu>
Subject: receives; doesn't send
I have run EIMS 1.3.1 & Autoshare (now 4.2.2) "out of the box" first on a
Centris 650, then, last June, ported it to a Mac 6500. Everything was fine.
I had to move it to another 6500 in November--& can't get it going again. I
even deleted everything (having saved my lists to another computer) &
reinstalled & reconfigured--but clearly I don't have something right. When
I send to AutoReply to check, the message is received--supposedly
transferred--but not sent back to me again. Nothing gets sent on.
Of course, "it's" at school--and I'm home for the holidays--but any
suggestions would be welcome. (I consider myself very much a novice insofar
as Autoshare is concerned...)
Marion
________________________________
Marion O. Weaver
Earth Science Teacher/Mentor
Jasper-Troupsburg Central School
Jasper, NY 14855
weavermo at infoblvd dot net
jasper at alfred dot edu
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:26:59 -0500
From: David Patschke <dpatschke at UBmail.ubalt dot edu>
Subject: Letting users unsubscribe
I use an html form (along with Email.cgi and MondoMail) to let users
subscribe to a list via a web page form. They put in their first and last
names (required fields that are important for our instructors), their email
address and list name, then they use a radio toggle for either subscribe or
unsubscribe and a Submit button to send it on its way.
Subscribing works great - but users get an error message when unsubscribing
from lists- It looks like Autoshare doesn't want to see user names when
unsubscribing and thinks that they're part of the list name, and the user
won't be unsubscribed.
I'd like to keep the same subscription page for both , and if they leave off
their names when unsubscribing an error message gets generated since they're
required fields. Is there a way to get Autoshare to accept but ignore names
when unsubscribing (or is this too bizarre a request?)?
--
David Patschke
Director of Technologies
School of Communications Design
University of Baltimore
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:03:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Letting users unsubscribe
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
Sounds like your HTML form has incorrect syntax. Here is a snippit from
one of my forms for unsubscribing:
<td>
<FORM action="mailto:AutoShare@theOmbudsman dot com" method=post>
<INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="list" VALUE="CAP-List">
<INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="command" VALUE="UNSUBSCRIBE">
<INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="submit" VALUE="Unsubscribe">
</FORM>
</td>
</tr>
All the user has to do is click on the button, assuming their browser
settings are correct.
On Thursday, January 10, 2002, at 02:26 PM, David Patschke wrote:
> I use an html form (along with Email.cgi and MondoMail) to let users
> subscribe to a list via a web page form. They put in their first and
> last
> names (required fields that are important for our instructors), their
> email
> address and list name, then they use a radio toggle for either
> subscribe or
> unsubscribe and a Submit button to send it on its way.
>
> Subscribing works great - but users get an error message when
> unsubscribing
> from lists- It looks like Autoshare doesn't want to see user names when
> unsubscribing and thinks that they're part of the list name, and the
> user
> won't be unsubscribed.
>
> I'd like to keep the same subscription page for both , and if they
> leave off
> their names when unsubscribing an error message gets generated since
> they're
> required fields. Is there a way to get Autoshare to accept but ignore
> names
> when unsubscribing (or is this too bizarre a request?)?
>
>
> --
> David Patschke
> Director of Technologies
> School of Communications Design
> University of Baltimore
>
>
>
Charles L. Martin
123 N. McDonough Street
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
FAX 801-881-1246
clmartin at theombudsman dot com
http://www.theombudsman.com
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:59:42 -0500
Subject: Setup SIMS to use proxy server?
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
I am trying to set up SIMS to send via a proxy server, but had to turn
off verify return paths to get anything to go out. I do not want to
allow relays, but am a bit uncertain how to proceed. What information do
I need to post to allow someone to show me how to move forward?
Charles L. Martin
123 N. McDonough Street
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
FAX 801-881-1246
clmartin at theombudsman dot com
http://www.theombudsman.com
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:22:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Subject: Autoshare not allowing subscribe
I've got some lists that have been behaving - but had several system
crashes back in NOvemebr (web server related). I just noticed that
Autoshare is no longer accepting subscriptions.
Why?
Could I have a bad prefs file?
--
**************************************************
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Mount de Sales Academy - Macon, GA
Mac Guy, Webmaster, and Co-tech Coordinator
www.mds.macon.ga.us/~trule/
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www.mp3.com/TomEx/ The Experimental stuff
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***************************************************
"The purpose of a liberal arts education is so that when the imminent
nuclear disaster is brought upon us by the engineers and we are all sold
to satan by the business school, there will be someone left to entertain
us."
Theodore Nordenhaug, PhD
Philosophy Department Chair @ Mercer university
Last Chance Lecture, 1998
Date: 04 Feb 02 09:30:07 -0600
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
Subject: Tip of the day on a weekly basis
Greetings,
I've been using Autoshare forever, but it has been so stable that I seem
to have forgotten the answer to this one. Maybe I'm just having a senior
moment...
We have a Tip of the Day list that follows the digest setting of once a
week (acutally we have very few digest subscribers so this is not a
problem for them). We had that set to send messages on Fridays.
Apparently the day for sending digests has become reset. So, how can I
set it back to Friday?? Do I only need to force the digest to occur on
Friday to reset the "day counter?"
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
======
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:56:55 +0000
From: Bill Bedford <billb at mousa.demon.co dot uk>
Subject: MIME decoders
Does anyone know of an applescript osax that will decode MIME?
--
Bill Bedford
You can win or you can have peace, but not at the same time.
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:49:09 +0100
From: "Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose" <sam at ijm.jussieu dot fr>
Subject: Re: MIME decoders
At 11:56 +0000 10/02/02, Bill Bedford wrote:
>Does anyone know of an applescript osax that will decode MIME?
I don't know of any osax that would do it. Just know however that I'm
using Stuffit Commands to get attachments out of mails, worked like a
charm so far. It's only part of MIME decoding but maybe it's enough
for your problem?
Serge
--
\\//\//\// Serge Belleudy-d'Espinose Institut Jacques Monod - Jussieu
// // // http://www.ijm.jussieu.fr/ Universites Paris VI, VII - CNRS
//\//\//\\
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:26:28 +1100
From: Terry Allen <hmag at ozemail.com dot au>
Subject: Re: MIME decoders
>At 11:56 +0000 10/02/02, Bill Bedford wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know of an applescript osax that will decode MIME?
>
>I don't know of any osax that would do it. Just know however that I'm
>using Stuffit Commands to get attachments out of mails, worked like a
>charm so far. It's only part of MIME decoding but maybe it's enough
>for your problem?
>
>
>Serge
>--
Hi Serge,
I'm intrigued as to how to accomplish extracting attachments using
your method above - would you mind elaborating. Does it require the
explicit use of Autoshare? Or does it extract the attachment before it
makes it to either Autoshare or the mail server app? Many thanks.
Bye for now, Terry Allen
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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:45:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Subject: Mysterious disappearing list commands
Running autoshare 4.2.2 on a LC630 - several lists are running just fine,
but autohsare will NOT accept any commands!
When I post something to the list, I see EIMS place a file inside the
"filed mail" folder, autoshare picks it up and processes (per the
autoshare windows) and then EIMS sends several mesages out.
HOWEVER - when I send a command direct to autoshare (say, help or list or
even subscribe!), EIMS places the file in the filed mail folder. The file
subsequently disappears (after a few seconds) but there is no indication
that autoshare has done anything with it in the autoshare status window,
and there is never any reply. I've also found that subscribe requests are
not being accepted (processed) either.
I've reinstalled autoshare, redone the prefs file, all to no avail.
What do I do next?
--
**************************************************
Tom Rule
Mount de Sales Academy - Macon, GA
Mac Guy, Webmaster, and Co-tech Coordinator
www.mds.macon.ga.us/~trule/
Not your father's church music!
www.vbc-vnbc.org/ministry/music/praiseband
www.mp3.com/TomCo/ Tom&Co Album
www.mp3.com/TomEx/ The Experimental stuff
www.mp3.com/Trule/ The Regular stuff
***************************************************
"The purpose of a liberal arts education is so that when the imminent
nuclear disaster is brought upon us by the engineers and we are all sold
to satan by the business school, there will be someone left to entertain
us."
Theodore Nordenhaug, PhD
Philosophy Department Chair @ Mercer university
Last Chance Lecture, 1998
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:18:39 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Thanks Mikael and autoreply bug
First off, Mikael Hansen deserves a big THANK-YOU for creating and
improving AutoShare over the years and expecting nothing in return.
Thanks, Mikael. I've been using AutoShare for the past 6 years or so
and all the while it has been a great service to our company.
If Mikael is listening, I'd just like to know if he plans on fixing
the vacation-mail/autoreply bug. The bug is that if a message to an
autoreply account contains styled (HTML) text, either a blank or
scrambled autoreply message is returned to the sender. If this is
fixed, it would be a HUGE help to us!
Thanks for any insight. Mikael, please don't leave us "hanging"!! :^)
--
Cheers,
Derek Tom
BBDO Asia Pacific, Hong Kong
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:31:58 +0800
From: Derek Tom <derek at bbdo.com dot hk>
Subject: Re: Mysterious disappearing list commands
At 8:45 AM -0500 2/21/02, Tom Rule wrote:
>Running autoshare 4.2.2 on a LC630 - several lists are running just fine,
>but autohsare will NOT accept any commands!
>
>When I post something to the list, I see EIMS place a file inside the
>"filed mail" folder, autoshare picks it up and processes (per the
>autoshare windows) and then EIMS sends several mesages out.
>
>HOWEVER - when I send a command direct to autoshare (say, help or list or
>even subscribe!), EIMS places the file in the filed mail folder. The file
>subsequently disappears (after a few seconds) but there is no indication
>that autoshare has done anything with it in the autoshare status window,
>and there is never any reply. I've also found that subscribe requests are
>not being accepted (processed) either.
>
>I've reinstalled autoshare, redone the prefs file, all to no avail.
>
>What do I do next?
Sorry, no solutions, but just some thoughts (questions, really)...
Anything in the AutoShare Log Reports? Were commands to AutoShare
ever working before? Your files in Auto:Documents:AutoShare all there
(Sub, Unsub, Help folder...)? Could you have disabled accepting of
commands for your lists?... What Type are your list set up as -
Subscription, Open, Private...? If your lists are set up as Private,
I don't think AutoShare will accept commands for them.
Hope this helps.
--
Cheers,
Derek Tom
BBDO Asia Pacific, Hong Kong
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:25:06 -0600
From: Paul Zobitz <pzobitz at miph dot org>
Subject: Bounce message token
Hello,
We have been using Autoshare for several years now and have been very
happy with it. There is, however, one issue that I have been unable
to figure out and hope the list could be helpful:
We have the Autobounce feature set up so that if an address is
invalid, Autoshare handles the sending of the bounce message. That
works great with one exception:
How can we tell the person the bad email address? E.g. if a person
sends a message
To: good_address at miph dot org, bad_address at miph dot org
From: jdoe@somewhere
Is there a way for the bounce message to say:
Your message to "bad_address@miph dot org" failed because the user
"bad_address@miph dot org" is not valid.
Currently we have a generic message that makes it nearly impossible
for the person to know which address was bad.
Thanks for any help the list can provide.
Paul
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:25:40 -0600
From: Charlie Swiszcz <cjs at mcad dot edu>
Subject: Filter - File Copy - PE?
Running Autoshare 4.2.2
I recently added some "Subject: Filters" to help manage traffic on a local
list. This works fine.
I am however having difficulty with enhancing the service when using the
"File copy - Filter" process extender. The Filter/PE is sucessfully called,
the message copied and the file deleted; the message makes it through to
the list.
Results using unedited (except for file path) version of file copy - filter/
PE
× To: [list at bob.mcad dot edu]
Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:11:02 Process extender Filter (AuFI, aUFI) called
× Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:11:02 list at bob.mcad dot edu bob at mcad dot edu rabbits cannot
post
Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:11:03 Process extender Filter (AuFI, aUFI) called
× info:activeServers:Auto:FiledMail:b8bfe0bc was not deleted
× Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:11:03 Copying b8bfe0bc.1
Adding a "quit me" statement to the script does allow for a successful
copy/delete and no post action
× To: [list at bob.mcad dot edu]
Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:33:11 Process extender Filter (AuFI, aUFI) called
× Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:33:12 list at bob.mcad dot edu bob at mcad dot edu rabbits cannot
post
Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:33:12 Process extender Filter started up
Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:33:12 Process extender Filter (AuFI, aUFI) called
Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:33:12 Handler for (AuFI, aUFI) not found
× Filter applied
× info:System Folder:Preferences:AutoShare:AutoShare Temp:b8bfe5e9.1 was d
eleted
Any insight as to how I can smooth out the rough edges would be greatly appr
eciated.
thanks
cjs
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:03:14 -0800
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 22 Mar 2002
From: David Baker <dbaker at mttam dot org>
We have been running EIMS 1.3 and Autoshare 3.1 for a couple of years
now and been very happy. We just upgraded to EIMS 3.1 and now our
lists aren't distributing. Please forgive me for a) not staying
up-to-date on this if it was discussed before and b) not searching the
archives for past discussions.
Nothing else has changed on the hard drive and the settings for the
accounts in EIMS 3.1 seem to be correct. Any help in resolving this
situation would be greatly appreciated...even being pointed in the right
direction for on-line resources. If it is as simple as upgrading to
Autoshare 4 great....and sorry for the post. I'm hesitant to start
messing with things until I know what direction I should be heading.
Dave
David Baker (mailto:dbaker at mttam dot org)
Mount Tamalpais School
http://www.mttam.org/
"It is important that students bring a certain ragamuffin barefoot
irreverence to their studies; they are not here to worship what is known,
but to question it." (Jacob Bronowski)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:12:12 -0600
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 22 Mar 2002
From: Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
Dave;
I think this is an issue with where the incoming mail folder is. With EIMS
1.3.x it was in the system folder. EIMS 3.x I think moved that folder to the
EIMS application folder. You would need to reset all folder paths in
Autoshare.
If this doesn't help, just ignore me. ;-)
Regards;
Jeff
on 3/26/02 6:03 PM, David Baker wisely articulated:
> We have been running EIMS 1.3 and Autoshare 3.1 for a couple of years
> now and been very happy. We just upgraded to EIMS 3.1 and now our
> lists aren't distributing. Please forgive me for a) not staying
> up-to-date on this if it was discussed before and b) not searching the
> archives for past discussions.
>
> Nothing else has changed on the hard drive and the settings for the
> accounts in EIMS 3.1 seem to be correct. Any help in resolving this
> situation would be greatly appreciated...even being pointed in the right
> direction for on-line resources. If it is as simple as upgrading to
> Autoshare 4 great....and sorry for the post. I'm hesitant to start
> messing with things until I know what direction I should be heading.
>
> Dave
From: Harald Striepe <harald at windholm dot com>
Subject: RE: AutoShare-Talk digest 22 Mar 2002
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:05:17 -0800
Just fixed the same thing this morning after upgrading my kid's school
server late last night.
The Mail Folders have moved into the EIMS folder. Reset your Autoshare
preferences to point to the right Incoming Folder.
-- Harald
-----Original Message-----
From: David Baker [mailto:dbaker at mttam dot org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:03 PM
To: Subscribers of AutoShare-Talk
Subject: Re: AutoShare-Talk digest 22 Mar 2002
We have been running EIMS 1.3 and Autoshare 3.1 for a couple of years
now and been very happy. We just upgraded to EIMS 3.1 and now our
lists aren't distributing. Please forgive me for a) not staying
up-to-date on this if it was discussed before and b) not searching the
archives for past discussions.
Nothing else has changed on the hard drive and the settings for the
accounts in EIMS 3.1 seem to be correct. Any help in resolving this
situation would be greatly appreciated...even being pointed in the right
direction for on-line resources. If it is as simple as upgrading to
Autoshare 4 great....and sorry for the post. I'm hesitant to start
messing with things until I know what direction I should be heading.
Dave
David Baker (mailto:dbaker at mttam dot org)
Mount Tamalpais School
http://www.mttam.org/
"It is important that students bring a certain ragamuffin barefoot
irreverence to their studies; they are not here to worship what is known,
but to question it." (Jacob Bronowski)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:19:00 -0500
Subject: Process Extender
From: Andrew Schmiechen <aschmiechen at discovercolor dot com>
I recently had a major config problem with Autoshare which required me to
restore from a backup a few days prior to the config problem. Ever since
then, my logs are showing a process extender executing. I've never noticed
this before. Can any one explain what this process extender is doing? From
my log file....
Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:01:59 Process extender started up
Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:01:59 Process extender (AuCA, aUCA) called
Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:02:17 Process extender started up
Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:02:17 Process extender (AuCA, aUCA) called
Those are the only two times it runs for the entire day. Everything else
seems to be functioning normally.
-A.
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:41:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Rule <trule at server.mds.macon.ga dot us>
Subject: Deaf Autoshare (a continuing saga)
This is one of those issues that has gone on for a loooong time....partly
because I get to work on it about an hour a month.
The short recap: We're running Autoshare 4.2.2 & EIMS 1.3.1 on an
LC630/gobs of
Ram/MacOS 7.6.1
Several lists are running, and running fine. Moderator sends a mesage to
the list, message gets transferred to the appropriate folder, autohsare
processes, email gets sent out. I do have one tip of the day type list,
which doesn't work - more below.
HOWEVER - autoshare will not respond to ANY commands (sub, unsub, review,
help, nothing). I send a command, eims receives it, and autoshare places
the received file into the Mailback folder - where it sits. It does the
same thing with any "tip o' the day" emails sent out.
So a collection of files is stashed in the MailBack folder, but autoshare
never does anything with them after depositing them there.
2nd HOWEVER - autoshare DOES pick up the digest files for the
mds_announce" list and sends 'em out.
Things I've checked:
Autoshare account in EIMS is setup correctly
(autoshare at list.mds.macon.ga dot us, set to save as files in the filed mail
folder with no colon at the end of the directory name)
Mailback folder location is correct in autoshare admin (I set it again to
be sure - System Folder:Mail Folder:Incoming Mail)
None of the list settings have anything to do with mailback.
I've already rebooted, deleted autoshare config files and recreated, and
done the same with the Eudora config files.
What am I missing here? What else can I check?
--
**************************************************
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Mount de Sales Academy - Macon, GA
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www.mds.macon.ga.us/~trule/
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to satan by the business school, there will be someone left to entertain
us."
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Philosophy Department Chair @ Mercer university
Last Chance Lecture, 1998
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:22:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Deaf Autoshare (a continuing saga)
From: Jeff Folk <jfolk at qzoneinc dot com>
on 4/17/02 7:41 AM, Tom Rule wisely articulated:
> Mailback folder location is correct in autoshare admin (I set it again to
> be sure - System Folder:Mail Folder:Incoming Mail)
My mailback folder was in the auto folder:
Hard Disk:auto:Mail Back
I think this is your problem
Regards;
Jeff
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:21:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Deaf Autoshare (a continuing saga)
From: Charles L. Martin <clmartin at theombudsman dot com>
I seem to remember this problem coming up before, and the reason was
that the autoshare documents did not exist for the commands being sent,
or did not have the correct token. I assume, also, that you have enabled
remote administration.
On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 08:41 AM, Tom Rule wrote:
> HOWEVER - autoshare will not respond to ANY commands (sub, unsub,
> review,
> help, nothing). I send a command, eims receives it, and autoshare places
> the received file into the Mailback folder - where it sits. It does the
> same thing with any "tip o' the day" emails sent out.
>
Charles L. Martin
123 N. McDonough Street
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116
FAX 801-881-1246
mailto:clmartin at theombudsman dot com
http://www.theombudsman.com
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:17:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Deaf Autoshare (a continuing saga)
From: Chuck Boody <chuck_boody at hopkins.k12.mn dot us>
I don't know if the comments below will solve your problem, but maybe they
will help. I hope so.
Most of what I suggest will happen automatically or will be made much easier
if you use the Autoshare Administration program. If you are not using that
I would certainly recommend it. And when you use it turn on the balloons
from time to time. Mikael has built a huge number of useful comments into
the program.
Chuck Boody
Analyst/Programmer
ISD 270
==========
On 4/17/02 7:41 AM, "Tom Rule" wrote:
>
> This is one of those issues that has gone on for a loooong time....partly
> because I get to work on it about an hour a month.
>
> The short recap: We're running Autoshare 4.2.2 & EIMS 1.3.1 on an
> LC630/gobs of
> Ram/MacOS 7.6.1
>
> Several lists are running, and running fine. Moderator sends a mesage to
> the list, message gets transferred to the appropriate folder, autohsare
> processes, email gets sent out. I do have one tip of the day type list,
> which doesn't work - more below.
>
> HOWEVER - autoshare will not respond to ANY commands (sub, unsub, review,
> help, nothing). I send a command, eims receives it, and autoshare places
> the received file into the Mailback folder - where it sits. It does the
> same thing with any "tip o' the day" emails sent out.
I'm fuzzy about this, but are you sure that things should go to the
"mailback" folder? I think they should go to the incoming mail folder.
Mailback is only used for true mailback situations I think.
>
> So a collection of files is stashed in the MailBack folder, but autoshare
> never does anything with them after depositing them there.
See above. I don't think they should go there.
>
> 2nd HOWEVER - autoshare DOES pick up the digest files for the
> mds_announce" list and sends 'em out.
>
> Things I've checked:
> Autoshare account in EIMS is setup correctly
> (autoshare at list.mds.macon.ga dot us,
At one point you had to specify the name of the account to match the name of
the listserver in autoshare. Is that set right?
set to save as files in the filed mail
> folder with no colon at the end of the directory name)
I think they require a colon.
> Mailback folder location is correct in autoshare admin (I set it again to
> be sure - System Folder:Mail Folder:Incoming Mail)
I don't think the mailback folder and the Incoming mail folder should be the
same. I think that may cause some sort of looping to occur.
> None of the list settings have anything to do with mailback.
>
> I've already rebooted, deleted autoshare config files and recreated, and
> done the same with the Eudora config files.
>
> What am I missing here? What else can I check?
>
>
>
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