The qpopper list archive ending on 1 Jun 2000


Topics covered in this issue include:

  1. Socket Error
       Farnaz Mosavati <farnaz at dpiran dot net>
       Thu, 25 May 2000 15:40:02 +0330 (IST)
  2. Re: patch for DRAC support in qpopper 3.0.2 (includes autoconf hacks) 
       "Mitch Vincent" <mitch at venux dot net>
       Thu, 25 May 2000 08:50:38 -0400
  3. Re: Socket Error
       Steven Champeon <schampeo at hesketh dot com>
       Thu, 25 May 2000 10:02:39 -0400 (EDT)
  4. Re: MAXHOSTNAMELEN
       Joseph S D Yao <jsdy at cospo.osis dot gov>
       Thu, 25 May 2000 12:39:08 -0400
  5. Re: MAXHOSTNAMELEN
       Mikio Watanabe <nabe at sahs.med.osaka-u.ac dot jp>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 10:05:33 +0900
  6. Bulletin DB problems and CPU usage?
       Jonathan Benson <sysadmin at ocean.com dot au>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 16:31:15 +1000
  7. max users, ldap
       Muljawan Hendrianto <muljawan.hendrianto at siemens.com dot sg>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 16:00:04 +0800
  8. Re: max users, ldap 
       Alexis Albinet <albinet at fluxus dot net>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 11:25:32 +0200
  9. Re: max users, ldap
       Muljawan Hendrianto <muljawan.hendrianto at siemens.com dot sg>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 17:46:04 +0800
 10. Re: max users, ldap 
       Alexis Albinet <albinet at fluxus dot net>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 12:13:03 +0200
 11. Re: max users, ldap
       Peter Evans <peter at gol dot com>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 22:20:50 +0900
 12. Compiling with Macros
       Jorge Kobeh <jkobeh at spin.com dot mx>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 09:58:40 -0500 (CDT)
 13. Re: max users, ldap
       Jason Englander <jason at interl dot net>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 12:37:14 -0500 (CDT)
 14. Re: max users, ldap
       James Ralston <qralston+ml.qpopper at andrew.cmu dot edu>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 14:35:13 -0400 (EDT)
 15. RE: max users, ldap
       "Michele Chubirka" <chubirka at gwu dot edu>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 15:31:29 -0400
 16. Re: max users, ldap
       Admin Mailing Lists <mlist at intergrafix dot net>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 15:32:20 -0400 (EDT)
 17. APOP setup
       Steve Bruno <steve.bruno at metro1 dot com>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 15:22:42 -0700
 18. Re: APOP setup
       "Jeremy C. Reed" <reed at wcug.wwu dot edu>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 16:58:11 -0700 (PDT)
 19. Re: Bulletin DB problems and CPU usage?
       Randall Gellens <randy at qualcomm dot com>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 18:41:20 -0700
 20. Re: Compiling with Macros
       Randall Gellens <randy at qualcomm dot com>
       Fri, 26 May 2000 18:47:32 -0700
 21. Re: Compiling with Macros
       Jorge Kobeh <jkobeh at spin.com dot mx>
       Sat, 27 May 2000 01:07:37 -0500 (CDT)
 22. Re: max users, ldap
       Muljawan Hendrianto <muljawan.hendrianto at siemens.com dot sg>
       Sat, 27 May 2000 23:09:45 +0800
 23. Re: Bulletin DB problems and CPU usage?
       Jonathan Benson <sysadmin at ocean.com dot au>
       Mon, 29 May 2000 11:11:25 +1000
 24. APOP and OpenBSD
       "J.D. Bronson" <jdb at xpec dot com>
       Mon, 29 May 2000 11:42:11 -0500
 25. Re: APOP and OpenBSD
       Georg Sassen <georg at sassen dot de>
       Mon, 29 May 2000 19:04:37 +0200
 26. Georg 's patch did the trick for OPenBSD
       "J.D. Bronson" <jdb at xpec dot com>
       Mon, 29 May 2000 13:04:20 -0500
 27. Re: Bulletin DB problems and CPU usage?
       Jonathan Benson <sysadmin at ocean.com dot au>
       Tue, 30 May 2000 13:53:48 +1000
 28. Re: Bulletin DB problems and CPU usage?
       Jonathan Benson <sysadmin at ocean.com dot au>
       Tue, 30 May 2000 17:13:27 +1000
 29. Please remove micronet at cite dot net
       "Micronet Solutions Informatiques" <micronet at cite dot net>
       Tue, 30 May 2000 08:26:49 -0500
 30. Athenticate with pop first
       Nuno Teixeira <nuno.teixeira at pt-quorum dot com>
       Tue, 30 May 2000 14:33:11 +0100
 31. Re: Georg 's patch did the trick for OPenBSD
       Randall Gellens <randy at qualcomm dot com>
       Tue, 30 May 2000 09:53:23 -0700
 32. Re: Georg 's patch did the trick for OPenBSD
       Georg Schwarz <schwarz at physik.tu-berlin dot de>
       Tue, 30 May 2000 20:40:19 +0200 (MEST)
 33. Re: Athenticate with pop first
       "Jeremy C. Reed" <reed at wcug.wwu dot edu>
       Tue, 30 May 2000 16:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
 34. pop3 forwarding
       "Tibor Borzak" <borzak at monti-heim dot ch>
       Wed, 31 May 2000 14:14:15 +0300
 35. Re: pop3 forwarding
       Fergal Daly <fergal at esatclear dot ie>
       Wed, 31 May 2000 12:18:16 +0100
 36. Can't connect to server
       Desmond J Lim <d35 at mac dot com>
       Wed, 31 May 2000 19:35:16 +0800
 37. Re: Can't connect to server
       "Nico Wimmer" <nico at home.kurios dot at>
       Wed, 31 May 2000 13:55:00 +0200
 38. Re: pop3 forwarding
       Steven Champeon <schampeo at hesketh dot com>
       Wed, 31 May 2000 11:19:56 -0400 (EDT)
 39. EOF Error
       "Nico Wimmer" <nico at home.kurios dot at>
       Wed, 31 May 2000 17:54:50 +0200
 40. How can I increase Qpopper Timeout in Qpopper3.0.2
       "Ganizani Phiri" <ganizani at malawi dot net>
       Wed, 31 May 2000 18:35:14 +0300
 41. Relocating the dropbox
       "Gavin Goldsmith" <ggoldsmith at pnp.co dot za>
       Wed, 31 May 2000 21:10:56 +2
 42. Re: Relocating the dropbox
       Steven Champeon <schampeo at hesketh dot com>
       Wed, 31 May 2000 15:19:22 -0400 (EDT)
 43. qpopper 3.0.2 question
       Linda Pelleu Antil <linda.pelleu at nist dot gov>
       Wed, 31 May 2000 15:26:24 -0400
 44. Re: Relocating the dropbox - LAST UPD
       "Gavin Goldsmith" <ggoldsmith at pnp.co dot za>
       Wed, 31 May 2000 22:51:11 +2
 45. need explanation of I/O Error - no such file or directory
       "Jerry O'Brien" <jobrien at cuttingedge dot net>
       Wed, 31 May 2000 22:56:21 -0500
 46. Re: Can't connect to server
       Desmond J Lim <d35 at mac dot com>
       Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:49:15 +0800
 47. RE: Can't connect to server
       "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Gaschütz?=" <philipp at gng dot de>
       Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:15:33 +0200
 48. RE: Can't connect to server
       Desmond J Lim <d35 at mac dot com>
       Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:23:47 +0800
 49. RE: Can't connect to server
       "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Gaschütz?=" <philipp at gng dot de>
       Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:27:12 +0200
 50. Messages with attachments
       "Ganizani Phiri" <ganizani at malawi dot net>
       Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:35:17 +0300

Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:40:02 +0330 (IST)
From: Farnaz Mosavati <farnaz at dpiran dot net>
Subject: Socket Error

Hi all,

I'l like to know the meaning of this error:

 peik /usr/local/lib/popper[11259]: Unable to obtain socket and address of 
client: Socket operation on non-socket (88) [pop_init.c:376]


Do you know how I can relove this problem?
Thanks for your help.

--Farnaz


From: "Mitch Vincent" <mitch at venux dot net>
Subject: Re: patch for DRAC support in qpopper 3.0.2 (includes autoconf hacks)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:50:38 -0400

I considered it but I get the same kind of protection with POP3 - before
SMTP and my clients don't have to use mailers that support SMTP auth..

In light of reecent problems though, I'm reviewing my decision :-)

- Mitch

"The only real failure is quitting."


----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hornstein <kenh at cmf.nrl.navy dot mil>
To: Mitch Vincent <mitch at venux dot net>
Cc: <qpopper at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: patch for DRAC support in qpopper 3.0.2 (includes autoconf
hacks)


> >Have you guys noticed that a lot of mail clients try to send mail before
> >they try to check it? I ran into horrible troubles after we started using
> >POP3 -before-SMTP relay prevention. I haven't been able to totally verify
> >this but some versions of Eudora, Outlook and Netscape mail seem to be
givin
> >my customers problems..
>
> I don't want to dismiss the DRAC work, as I believe it's certainly
> useful in some cases, _but_ you might want to consider using SMTP
> authentication, as two of the major MTA's (sendmail and qmail)
> support SMTP AUTH, and I believe all of the MUAs you've listed do.
>
> --Ken
>


Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:02:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven Champeon <schampeo at hesketh dot com>
Subject: Re: Socket Error

On Thu, 25 May 2000, Farnaz Mosavati wrote:
> I'l like to know the meaning of this error:
> 
>  peik /usr/local/lib/popper[11259]: Unable to obtain socket and address of 
> client: Socket operation on non-socket (88) [pop_init.c:376]

Looks like you ran it from the command line instead of from inetd.

-- 
tired of being an underappreciated functionary in a soulless machine?
hesketh.com is hiring: <http://hesketh.com/careers/>


Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:39:08 -0400
From: Joseph S D Yao <jsdy at cospo.osis dot gov>
Subject: Re: MAXHOSTNAMELEN

On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 10:52:00AM +0900, Mikio Watanabe wrote:
> Hi, friends,
> 
> I compiled qpopper3.0.2 on Soralis 2.5.1,
> but failed and received following messages.
> What can I do for conpile successfully?
> Thanks.
> 
> M.Watanabe

Get a correct copy of /usr/include/netdb.h.  The definition of this
constant is in that file.  And in pop_init.c:
38:#include <netdb.h>

-- 
Joe Yao				jsdy at cospo.osis dot gov - Joseph S. D. Yao
COSPO/OSIS Computer Support					EMT-B
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
This message is not an official statement of COSPO policies.

Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:05:33 +0900
From: Mikio Watanabe <nabe at sahs.med.osaka-u.ac dot jp>
Subject: Re: MAXHOSTNAMELEN

We successfully compiled qpopper under your kindly suggestion.
Many Thanks.

M. Watanabe

>Get a correct copy of /usr/include/netdb.h.  The definition of this
>constant is in that file.  And in pop_init.c:
>38:#include <netdb.h>


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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:31:15 +1000
From: Jonathan Benson <sysadmin at ocean.com dot au>
Subject: Bulletin DB problems and CPU usage?

Hi all

I finally got around to upgrading to the final release (3.0.2) but the
"Unable to open Bulletin database" problem has come back.  Did the code
for retrying the database get made less tolerant in the last few
revisions?

Regardless can someone point me to the file/area I would need to modify
to make it more tolerant then it currently is?

I've also noticed that the CPU usage of qpopper tends to be a lot higher
then I thought it would be (I've seen load jump over 12 at times on a
PII-450).  Could this be related to the bulletin db support at all?  I'm
just wondering if I should abandon this feature if it gives me a faster
popper.

I do have approx. 2300 users on this box so perhaps I should be looking
at a hashed mail spool?

Anyway, thanks in advance for any feedback.

Jon

Some of the errors from the maillog (just today):
May 26 11:14:22 smail in.popper[30365]: mercon-info at 203.12.235.128
(203.12.235.128): -ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database;
contact your administrator
May 26 11:15:03 smail in.popper[30382]: pacecon at 203.108.11.211
(203.108.11.211): -ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database;
contact your administratorMay 26 11:15:04 smail in.popper[30439]:
jav-david at 203.12.235.43 (203.12.235.43): -ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to
open Bulletin database; contact your administratorMay 26 11:15:04 smail
in.popper[30441]: markm at 203.12.234.203 (203.12.234.203): -ERR
[SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your administrator
May 26 11:15:04 smail in.popper[30453]: levana at 203.12.234.241
(203.12.234.241): -ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database;
contact your administrator
May 26 11:15:13 smail in.popper[30460]: wooltara-reuben at
203.12.235.162 (203.12.235.162): -ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin
database; contact your administrator
May 26 11:15:14 smail in.popper[30461]: bmk at 203.12.235.133
(203.12.235.133): -ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database;
contact your administrator
May 26 16:22:45 smail in.popper[26360]: chris at 203.12.234.243
(203.12.234.243): -ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database;
contact your administrator
May 26 16:22:45 smail in.popper[26361]: jav-kathyt at 203.12.235.93
(203.12.235.93): -ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database;
contact your administrator
May 26 16:22:45 smail in.popper[26364]: rmarch at 203.12.235.128
(203.12.235.128): -ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database;
contact your administrator
May 26 16:22:45 smail in.popper[26367]: vfacts at 203.12.235.2
(203.12.235.2): -ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database;
contact your administrator
May 26 16:22:45 smail in.popper[26368]: sysadmin at 203.12.234.232
(203.12.234.232): -ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database;
contact your administrator
May 26 16:22:45 smail in.popper[26372]: markm at 203.12.234.203
(203.12.234.203): -ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database;
contact your administrator



--
Jonathan Benson
Systems Administrator
Ocean Internet
http://www.ocean.com.au/




Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:00:04 +0800
From: Muljawan Hendrianto <muljawan.hendrianto at siemens.com dot sg>
Subject: max users, ldap

Hello all,

Does anybody know what the maximum users qpopper can support ?

I have heard that since qpopper uses UNIX (/etc/passwd and shadow) based authentication, it can only support up to 5000 users, which is the max users count recommended by Sun .

Does qpopper support LDAP user authentication ?

Have any body uses qpopper with high availability systems (cluster) ?
Will I need a special HA agent for that?
If yes, does any body know from where I can get it?

Any info/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Muljawan



Subject: Re: max users, ldap
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:25:32 +0200
From: Alexis Albinet <albinet at fluxus dot net>

Hello,
About max users, I use qpopper on a FreeBSD with more than 20000 users. It is 
running fine.

alexis

> Hello all,
> 
> Does anybody know what the maximum users qpopper can support ?
> 
> I have heard that since qpopper uses UNIX (/etc/passwd and shadow) based authentication, it can only support up to 5000 users, which is the max users count recommended by Sun .
> 
> Does qpopper support LDAP user authentication ?
> 
> Have any body uses qpopper with high availability systems (cluster) ?
> Will I need a special HA agent for that?
> If yes, does any body know from where I can get it?
> 
> Any info/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Muljawan
> 
> 



Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:46:04 +0800
From: Muljawan Hendrianto <muljawan.hendrianto at siemens.com dot sg>
Subject: Re: max users, ldap

hello Alexis,

may I know how many concurrent users do you have ?

thanks, 
Muljawan


On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 11:25:32AM +0200, Alexis Albinet wrote:
> Hello,
> About max users, I use qpopper on a FreeBSD with more than 20000 users. It is 
> running fine.
> 
> alexis
> 
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > Does anybody know what the maximum users qpopper can support ?
> > 
> > I have heard that since qpopper uses UNIX (/etc/passwd and shadow) based authentication, it can only support up to 5000 users, which is the max users count recommended by Sun .
> > 
> > Does qpopper support LDAP user authentication ?
> > 
> > Have any body uses qpopper with high availability systems (cluster) ?
> > Will I need a special HA agent for that?
> > If yes, does any body know from where I can get it?
> > 
> > Any info/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Muljawan
> > 
> > 
> 

Subject: Re: max users, ldap
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:13:03 +0200
From: Alexis Albinet <albinet at fluxus dot net>

> hello Alexis,
> 
> may I know how many concurrent users do you have ?
> 

just about 20 to 40, not a lot in fact...

alexis

> thanks, 
> Muljawan
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 11:25:32AM +0200, Alexis Albinet wrote:
> > Hello,
> > About max users, I use qpopper on a FreeBSD with more than 20000 users. It is 
> > running fine.
> > 
> > alexis
> > 
> > > Hello all,
> > > 
> > > Does anybody know what the maximum users qpopper can support ?
> > > 
> > > I have heard that since qpopper uses UNIX (/etc/passwd and shadow) based authentication, it can only support up to 5000 users, which is the max users count recommended by Sun .
> > > 
> > > Does qpopper support LDAP user authentication ?
> > > 
> > > Have any body uses qpopper with high availability systems (cluster) ?
> > > Will I need a special HA agent for that?
> > > If yes, does any body know from where I can get it?
> > > 
> > > Any info/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Muljawan
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 



Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:20:50 +0900
From: Peter Evans <peter at gol dot com>
Subject: Re: max users, ldap

Muljawan Hendrianto (muljawan.hendrianto at siemens.com dot sg) wrote:
> may I know how many concurrent users do you have ?

	about 300 at peak, around 10/sec at that time,
	more usually around 50 and 2/sec.
	the machine isnt directly accessible, theres a proxy that does
	name translation.
 
> On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 11:25:32AM +0200, Alexis Albinet wrote:
> > About max users, I use qpopper on a FreeBSD with more than 20000 users. It is 
> > running fine.

	Just a shade under 33000. (not real "unix" users, fakes generated by a 
	database,

	P

-- 
Remember The 5 K's.
The Justified Agents of Munya-munya-muuuu ...

Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:58:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jorge Kobeh <jkobeh at spin.com dot mx>
Subject: Compiling with Macros

Hello everyone:

Yesterday I installed the new version 3.0.2 on my system, and in order to use
2 macros that can't be set using configure options, I wrote the following
script:

---
#! /bin/bash

rm -f config.cache config.h
./configure --enable-servermode --with-warnings --enable-log-login \
    --enable-apop=/etc/pop.auth --with-popuid=pop \
    --enable-temp-drop-dir=/var/popmail

cat >> config.h <<EOF

#define NOUPDATEONABORT
#define NO_STATUS
EOF
make clean
make
---

Is this the correct way to do it? I think it is working correctly, but after
reading the INSTALL instructions, I wasn't sure where to put the macro
definitions.

Thanks in advance!

Sincerely, Jorge Kobeh



Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:37:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Englander <jason at interl dot net>
Subject: Re: max users, ldap

On Fri, 26 May 2000, Muljawan Hendrianto wrote:

> Does anybody know what the maximum users qpopper can support ?
> 
> I have heard that since qpopper uses UNIX (/etc/passwd and shadow)
> based authentication, it can only support up to 5000 users, which is
> the max users count recommended by Sun .

I'm using 3.0.2 with server mode and HOMEDIRMAIL under Linux Slackware 7
on a dual PIII 550, 512 meg ram and it works VERY, VERY well with 7,395
accounts.

  Jason

-- 
Jason Englander <jason at interl dot net>
Systems Administrator - InterLink L.C.



Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:35:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: James Ralston <qralston+ml.qpopper at andrew.cmu dot edu>
Subject: Re: max users, ldap

On Fri, 26 May 2000, Muljawan Hendrianto asked:

> Does anybody know what the maximum users qpopper can support ?
> 
> I have heard that since qpopper uses UNIX (/etc/passwd and shadow)
> based authentication, it can only support up to 5000 users, which is
> the max users count recommended by Sun .

Just out of curiosity, where did you see/hear that recommendation?  I
do know that Sun doesn't recommend using NIS+ with more than 10,000
users, but I'd heard nothing about a generic 5,000 limit
recommendation.

At my previous place of employment, the University of Pittsburgh, we
routinely had more than 50,000 users in our password file.  As long as
getpwnam() and friends use some sort of hashing or caching mechanism
(e.g., nscd), the only thing you really need to be concerned about is
the number of concurrent users.  And even then, that's more of a
hardware issue (memory, CPU, etc.) than a software issue.

Regards,

-- 
James Ralston, Information Technology
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA, USA


From: "Michele Chubirka" <chubirka at gwu dot edu>
Subject: RE: max users, ldap
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:31:29 -0400

We have 30,000 email accounts on an Ultra Enterprise 6500 with 8 processors
and 3GB of ram and qpopper runs okay.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Englander [mailto:jason at interl dot net]
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 1:37 PM
> To: Muljawan Hendrianto
> Cc: qpopper at lists.pensive dot org
> Subject: Re: max users, ldap
>
>
> On Fri, 26 May 2000, Muljawan Hendrianto wrote:
>
> > Does anybody know what the maximum users qpopper can support ?
> >
> > I have heard that since qpopper uses UNIX (/etc/passwd and shadow)
> > based authentication, it can only support up to 5000 users, which is
> > the max users count recommended by Sun .
>
> I'm using 3.0.2 with server mode and HOMEDIRMAIL under Linux Slackware 7
> on a dual PIII 550, 512 meg ram and it works VERY, VERY well with 7,395
> accounts.
>
>   Jason
>
> --
> Jason Englander <jason at interl dot net>
> Systems Administrator - InterLink L.C.
>
>


Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:32:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Admin Mailing Lists <mlist at intergrafix dot net>
Subject: Re: max users, ldap

i'm happily running 3.0.2 on linux with 8000+ users, 44000+ requests per
day, avg. 30 requests p/minute

-Cygnus
.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-.
Anthony J. Biacco                       Network Administrator/Engineer
admin at intergrafix dot net                    Intergrafix Internet Services

    "Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today"
http://cygnus.ncohafmuta.com                http://www.intergrafix.net
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On Fri, 26 May 2000, Muljawan Hendrianto wrote:

> hello Alexis,
> 
> may I know how many concurrent users do you have ?
> 
> thanks, 
> Muljawan
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 11:25:32AM +0200, Alexis Albinet wrote:
> > Hello,
> > About max users, I use qpopper on a FreeBSD with more than 20000 users. It is 
> > running fine.
> > 
> > alexis
> > 
> > > Hello all,
> > > 
> > > Does anybody know what the maximum users qpopper can support ?
> > > 
> > > I have heard that since qpopper uses UNIX (/etc/passwd and shadow) based authentication, it can only support up to 5000 users, which is the max users count recommended by Sun .
> > > 
> > > Does qpopper support LDAP user authentication ?
> > > 
> > > Have any body uses qpopper with high availability systems (cluster) ?
> > > Will I need a special HA agent for that?
> > > If yes, does any body know from where I can get it?
> > > 
> > > Any info/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Muljawan
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 


Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:22:42 -0700
From: Steve Bruno <steve.bruno at metro1 dot com>
Subject: APOP setup

I currently use qpopper to serve POP mail to a large variety of
distrubuted users.  Right now, in order to allow them to log in, I'm
creating a separate user account on the mail server for each POP
account.  I'm interested in using an APOP database in order to cut down
on the huge number of relatively useless user accounts the mail server
currently supports.  Does anyone know of a good online guide for setting
up and configuring APOP?
-- 
Steve Bruno                              Phone: (503) 524-1267
Webmaster/UNIX System Administration     Fax:   (503) 643-9600
Metro One Telecommunications             Cell:  (503) 757-7250

Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:58:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Jeremy C. Reed" <reed at wcug.wwu dot edu>
Subject: Re: APOP setup

On Fri, 26 May 2000, Steve Bruno wrote:

> I currently use qpopper to serve POP mail to a large variety of
> distrubuted users.  Right now, in order to allow them to log in, I'm
> creating a separate user account on the mail server for each POP
> account.  I'm interested in using an APOP database in order to cut down
> on the huge number of relatively useless user accounts the mail server
> currently supports.  Does anyone know of a good online guide for setting
> up and configuring APOP?

Sorry I don't have an answer for you, but I am interested in your idea.

How do you plan to have your mail server receive the mail? How will it
know to check the APOP database to know if the user exists? 

How do you plan to use a deliver agent (such a mail.local or procmail) to
deliver the mail?

Thanks.

  Jeremy C. Reed
  http://www.reedmedia.net
  http://bsd.reedmedia.net


Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:41:20 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <randy at qualcomm dot com>
Subject: Re: Bulletin DB problems and CPU usage?

At 4:31 PM +1000 5/26/00, Jonathan Benson wrote:

>  Hi all
>
>  I finally got around to upgrading to the final release (3.0.2) but the
>  "Unable to open Bulletin database" problem has come back.  Did the code
>  for retrying the database get made less tolerant in the last few
>  revisions?
>
>  Regardless can someone point me to the file/area I would need to modify
>  to make it more tolerant then it currently is?

See popper/pop_dropcopy.c, lines 1116 and 1117:

#  define SLEEP_INTERVAL 1 /* how long to wait between tries */
#  define MAX_ATTEMPTS  10 /* when to give up */

You can modify these parameters at will (this should probably be an 
option, but a better solution is a separate db process to eliminate 
the contention).   It currently tries to lock the db, and if it 
fails, waits one second the first time, two seconds the next time, 
three second the third time, and so on, until it has tried ten times. 
Then it gives up.  On a busy system, it would be better to call 
usleep(3c), which lets you sleep for much smaller amounts of time, 
but this isn't as portable as sleep().

Line 1143 has the sleep() call:

sleep ( tries * SLEEP_INTERVAL );   /* Sleep between retries */

If you have usleep(3c) on your system, or the equivalent, you could 
change it to use that, and you could get fancy by sleeping for a 
random number of microseconds.  This avoids a potential situation 
where multiple popper processes attempt to lock the db at the same 
time, and each one waits the same amount of time before trying again.

-- 
Randall Gellens
Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect;    I speak for myself only
-------------- Randomly-selected tag: ---------------
It has been observed that one's nose is never so happy as when 
it is thrust into the affairs of another, from which some 
physiologists have drawn the inference that the nose is devoid 
of the sense of smell. 
		--Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" 

Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:47:32 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <randy at qualcomm dot com>
Subject: Re: Compiling with Macros

At 9:58 AM -0500 5/26/00, Jorge Kobeh wrote:

>  Hello everyone:
>
>  Yesterday I installed the new version 3.0.2 on my system, and in 
> order to use
>  2 macros that can't be set using configure options, I wrote the following
>  script:
>
>  ---
>  #! /bin/bash
>
>  rm -f config.cache config.h
>  ./configure --enable-servermode --with-warnings --enable-log-login \
>      --enable-apop=/etc/pop.auth --with-popuid=pop \
>      --enable-temp-drop-dir=/var/popmail
>
>  cat >> config.h <<EOF
>
>  #define NOUPDATEONABORT
>  #define NO_STATUS
>  EOF
>  make clean
>  make
>  ---
>
>  Is this the correct way to do it? I think it is working correctly, but after
>  reading the INSTALL instructions, I wasn't sure where to put the macro
>  definitions.
>
>  Thanks in advance!
>
>  Sincerely, Jorge Kobeh

It doesn't make that much difference.  Putting then in config.h is a 
good place (I tend to put them at the top, personally).

Be aware that if you define NO_STATUS, it breaks UIDLs in 3.x.  That 
means your users won't be able to keep mail on the server.



-- 
Randall Gellens
Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect;    I speak for myself only
-------------- Randomly-selected tag: ---------------
Language is a virus from outer space.  --William S. Burroughs

Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 01:07:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jorge Kobeh <jkobeh at spin.com dot mx>
Subject: Re: Compiling with Macros

Randall:

Thanks for your answer. Today I found out, that if the client has selected to
keep messages on the server, and asks only to delete some messages, they wont
be erased. Is this what you meant by saying to be careful with the NO_STATUS
macro? If it is so, and leaving the NO_STATUS flag out fixes the problem, than
what is the use of the SERVER_MODE flag, if anyways the server has to write in
a new file the status of every read message? Is there a way to keep the
behavoir of version 2.53?

Thanks in advance!

Sincerely, Jorge Kobeh


On Fri, 26 May 2000, Randall Gellens wrote:

> At 9:58 AM -0500 5/26/00, Jorge Kobeh wrote:
> 
> >  Hello everyone:
> >
> >  Yesterday I installed the new version 3.0.2 on my system, and in 
> > order to use
> >  2 macros that can't be set using configure options, I wrote the following
> >  script:
> >
> >  ---
> >  #! /bin/bash
> >
> >  rm -f config.cache config.h
> >  ./configure --enable-servermode --with-warnings --enable-log-login \
> >      --enable-apop=/etc/pop.auth --with-popuid=pop \
> >      --enable-temp-drop-dir=/var/popmail
> >
> >  cat >> config.h <<EOF
> >
> >  #define NOUPDATEONABORT
> >  #define NO_STATUS
> >  EOF
> >  make clean
> >  make
> >  ---
> >
> >  Is this the correct way to do it? I think it is working correctly, but after
> >  reading the INSTALL instructions, I wasn't sure where to put the macro
> >  definitions.
> >
> >  Thanks in advance!
> >
> >  Sincerely, Jorge Kobeh
> 
> It doesn't make that much difference.  Putting then in config.h is a 
> good place (I tend to put them at the top, personally).
> 
> Be aware that if you define NO_STATUS, it breaks UIDLs in 3.x.  That 
> means your users won't be able to keep mail on the server.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Randall Gellens
> Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect;    I speak for myself only
> -------------- Randomly-selected tag: ---------------
> Language is a virus from outer space.  --William S. Burroughs
> 


Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 23:09:45 +0800
From: Muljawan Hendrianto <muljawan.hendrianto at siemens.com dot sg>
Subject: Re: max users, ldap

Michele, do you use any high availability solution for your users also ?

thanks,
Muljawan
On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 03:31:29PM -0400, Michele Chubirka wrote:
> We have 30,000 email accounts on an Ultra Enterprise 6500 with 8 processors
> and 3GB of ram and qpopper runs okay.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Englander [mailto:jason at interl dot net]
> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 1:37 PM
> > To: Muljawan Hendrianto
> > Cc: qpopper at lists.pensive dot org
> > Subject: Re: max users, ldap
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 26 May 2000, Muljawan Hendrianto wrote:
> >
> > > Does anybody know what the maximum users qpopper can support ?
> > >
> > > I have heard that since qpopper uses UNIX (/etc/passwd and shadow)
> > > based authentication, it can only support up to 5000 users, which is
> > > the max users count recommended by Sun .
> >
> > I'm using 3.0.2 with server mode and HOMEDIRMAIL under Linux Slackware 7
> > on a dual PIII 550, 512 meg ram and it works VERY, VERY well with 7,395
> > accounts.
> >
> >   Jason
> >
> > --
> > Jason Englander <jason at interl dot net>
> > Systems Administrator - InterLink L.C.
> >
> >

Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:11:25 +1000
From: Jonathan Benson <sysadmin at ocean.com dot au>
Subject: Re: Bulletin DB problems and CPU usage?

Randall Gellens wrote:

> See popper/pop_dropcopy.c, lines 1116 and 1117:
>
> #  define SLEEP_INTERVAL 1 /* how long to wait between tries */
> #  define MAX_ATTEMPTS  10 /* when to give up */

Thanks, I managed to find it thanks to grep after asking.  :)

> If you have usleep(3c) on your system, or the equivalent, you could
> change it to use that, and you could get fancy by sleeping for a
> random number of microseconds.  This avoids a potential situation
> where multiple popper processes attempt to lock the db at the same
> time, and each one waits the same amount of time before trying again.

I think I'll be applying the random option as I believe this may be what I'm
seeing.  Now to dig out my old C reference book and look up the syntax for
rand().  :)

Thanks

Jon

--
Jonathan Benson
Systems Administrator
Ocean Internet
http://www.ocean.com.au/




Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:42:11 -0500
From: "J.D. Bronson" <jdb at xpec dot com>
Subject: APOP and OpenBSD

Does anyone have this setup working?

I have successfully compiled and have this working on Solaris...but cannot
get OpenBSD to work.

All i get is APOP shared secret is bad.

Any thoughts?










-- 
J.D. Bronson // jeff at xpec.com // http://www.xpec dot com/jeff
Aurora Health Care // Information Systems // Telecom Site Manager
Milwaukee Wisconsin USA // Office: 414.978.8282 // Fax: 414.328.8282

Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:04:37 +0200
From: Georg Sassen <georg at sassen dot de>
Subject: Re: APOP and OpenBSD

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Hi,

>Does anyone have this setup working?
>
>I have successfully compiled and have this working on Solaris...but cannot
>get OpenBSD to work.
>
>All i get is APOP shared secret is bad.
>

Yes, I had the same problem with qpopper 3.02 on my OpenBSD 2.6/sparc 
machine yesterday. Seems that a pointer is accessed after the 
corresponding database item is already closed and thus invalid.
I mailed a patch to qpopper at qualcomm dot com yesterday, it is also 
included in this message.

    Georg
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georg at sassen.de or mailto:gsassen at web dot de
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:04:20 -0500
From: "J.D. Bronson" <jdb at xpec dot com>
Subject: Georg 's patch did the trick for OPenBSD

to all the list members...that patched worked immediately and even sped up
performance on access.

Now...does anyone know how to eliminate pop3 user/pass authentications now
that APOP is working? in other words...no more non APOP access.

I thought the older version of Qpopper 3.01 maybe? - stated upon access
that user/pass would not work and that you needed a stronger authentication
such as MD5 or APOP....now, 3.02 simply access either....

I dont think that I compiled it any differently that the prior version.

thoughts?






-- 
J.D. Bronson // jeff at xpec.com // http://www.xpec dot com/jeff
Aurora Health Care // Information Systems // Telecom Site Manager
Milwaukee Wisconsin USA // Office: 414.978.8282 // Fax: 414.328.8282

Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:53:48 +1000
From: Jonathan Benson <sysadmin at ocean.com dot au>
Subject: Re: Bulletin DB problems and CPU usage?

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Hi all

I've randomised the sleep time when popper can't lock the database and will see
if that helps fix my problems.

I've included a diff which still has my attempt at a usleep version (commented
out) in there too.  It didn't seem to work.  I guess the usleep periods were
too small.

Anyway, I don't even know how it works for me yet so no guarantees for anyone
else.  :)

Although it has been running for 15 mins or so now with no problems so
certainly doesn't seem to be any worse.

But as usual:  USE AT YOUR OWN RISK

Regards

Jon

--
Jonathan Benson
Systems Administrator
Ocean Internet
http://www.ocean.com.au/



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135a136,139
> #ifdef BULLDB
> # include <stdlib.h>
> #endif
> 
1088d1091
< #  define SLEEP_INTERVAL 1 /* how long to wait between tries */
1090c1093,1094
<     if (p->bulldir) {
---
> 
> if (p->bulldir) {
1094a1099
> 		  int  randsleep = 0;
1115c1120,1128
<                 sleep ( tries * SLEEP_INTERVAL );   /* Sleep between retries */
---
> 					/* Added to randomize the sleep period for retrys 
> 		   			when unable to lock bulldb - JB 05/30/00 */
> 					randsleep = 1+(int) (10.0*rand()/(RAND_MAX+1.0));    
> 
> // #if HAVE_UNISTD_H
> // 					usleep ( (100 * ( tries + randsleep )) );
> // #else /* probably won't have usleep() */
>                 sleep ( tries + randsleep );   /* Sleep between retries */
> // #endif /* HAVE_UNISTD_H */


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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:13:27 +1000
From: Jonathan Benson <sysadmin at ocean.com dot au>
Subject: Re: Bulletin DB problems and CPU usage?

Well it didn't help.  Any more ideas?

May 30 16:58:29 smail in.popper_rand[11373]: intralink at 203.12.235.227
(203.12.235.227):
-ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your
administrator
May 30 16:58:31 smail in.popper_rand[11366]: pennyc at 203.12.234.218
(203.12.234.218): -ERR
[SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your administrator
May 30 16:58:31 smail in.popper_rand[11362]: sharonk at 203.12.234.251
(203.12.234.251):
-ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your
administrator
May 30 16:59:15 smail in.popper_rand[11389]: arthur at 203.12.235.6
(203.12.235.6): -ERR
[SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your
administratorMay 30 16:59:15 smail
in.popper_rand[11392]: meganw at 203.12.234.229 (203.12.234.229): -ERR
[SYS/TEMP] Unable to
open Bulletin database; contact your administrator
May 30 16:59:16 smail in.popper_rand[11390]: jav-david at 203.12.235.56
(203.12.235.56):
-ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your
administrator
May 30 16:59:16 smail in.popper_rand[11464]: wtpmelb at 202.53.38.210
(202.53.38.210): -ERR
[SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your administrator
May 30 16:59:17 smail in.popper_rand[11457]: ns-flynnp at 144.132.80.45
(144.132.80.45):
-ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your
administrator
May 30 16:59:17 smail in.popper_rand[11458]: jameso at 203.12.234.228
(203.12.234.228): -ERR
[SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your administrator
May 30 16:59:17 smail in.popper_rand[11462]: naywise at 139.130.213.102
(139.130.213.102):
-ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your
administrator
May 30 16:59:16 smail in.popper_rand[11422]: amccaski at 203.12.235.227
(203.12.235.227):
-ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your
administrator
May 30 16:59:24 smail in.popper_rand[11483]: further at 198.142.36.127
(198.142.36.127):
-ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your
administrator
May 30 16:59:39 smail in.popper_rand[11486]: aesthos at 198.142.36.127
(198.142.36.127):
-ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your
administrator
May 30 16:59:43 smail in.popper_rand[11488]: obrienp at 203.12.235.215
(203.12.235.215):
-ERR [SYS/TEMP] Unable to open Bulletin database; contact your
administrator


Jonathan Benson wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I've randomised the sleep time when popper can't lock the database and will see
> if that helps fix my problems.
>
> I've included a diff which still has my attempt at a usleep version (commented
> out) in there too.  It didn't seem to work.  I guess the usleep periods were
> too small.
>
> Anyway, I don't even know how it works for me yet so no guarantees for anyone
> else.  :)
>
> Although it has been running for 15 mins or so now with no problems so
> certainly doesn't seem to be any worse.
>
> But as usual:  USE AT YOUR OWN RISK
>
> Regards
>
> Jon
>
> --
> Jonathan Benson
> Systems Administrator
> Ocean Internet
> http://www.ocean.com.au/
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 135a136,139
> > #ifdef BULLDB
> > # include <stdlib.h>
> > #endif
> >
> 1088d1091
> < #  define SLEEP_INTERVAL 1 /* how long to wait between tries */
> 1090c1093,1094
> <     if (p->bulldir) {
> ---
> >
> > if (p->bulldir) {
> 1094a1099
> >                 int  randsleep = 0;
> 1115c1120,1128
> <                 sleep ( tries * SLEEP_INTERVAL );   /* Sleep between retries */
> ---
> >                                       /* Added to randomize the sleep period for retrys
> >                                       when unable to lock bulldb - JB 05/30/00 */
> >                                       randsleep = 1+(int) (10.0*rand()/(RAND_MAX+1.0));
> >
> > // #if HAVE_UNISTD_H
> > //                                    usleep ( (100 * ( tries + randsleep )) );
> > // #else /* probably won't have usleep() */
> >                 sleep ( tries + randsleep );   /* Sleep between retries */
> > // #endif /* HAVE_UNISTD_H */

--
Jonathan Benson
Systems Administrator
Ocean Internet
http://www.ocean.com.au/

From: "Micronet Solutions Informatiques" <micronet at cite dot net>
Subject: Please remove micronet at cite dot net
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:26:49 -0500

Please remove micronet at cite dot net listserv qpopper


Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:33:11 +0100
From: Nuno Teixeira <nuno.teixeira at pt-quorum dot com>
Subject: Athenticate with pop first

Hello to all,

I wan't to know how do I configure QPopper to authenticate the user with POP
first and then the user may use the SMTP to send email. I use QPopper +
Sendmail.

Thanks very much,


Nuno Teixeira



Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:53:23 -0700
From: Randall Gellens <randy at qualcomm dot com>
Subject: Re: Georg 's patch did the trick for OPenBSD

At 1:04 PM -0500 5/29/00, J.D. Bronson wrote:

>  Now...does anyone know how to eliminate pop3 user/pass authentications now
>  that APOP is working? in other words...no more non APOP access.

Qpopper does not permit user/pass authentication for users that have 
APOP passwords.  Only users without APOP passwords can use user/pass.

Subject: Re: Georg 's patch did the trick for OPenBSD
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:40:19 +0200 (MEST)
From: Georg Schwarz <schwarz at physik.tu-berlin dot de>

> At 1:04 PM -0500 5/29/00, J.D. Bronson wrote:
> 
> >  Now...does anyone know how to eliminate pop3 user/pass authentications=
 now
> >  that APOP is working? in other words...no more non APOP access.
> 
> Qpopper does not permit user/pass authentication for users that have 
> APOP passwords.  Only users without APOP passwords can use user/pass.
> 

I wrote a little patch which gives you the option to change that behaviour
on compile time (and some other options). That's probably what the
original author was refering to.

-- 
Georg Schwarz                             schwarz at physik.tu-berlin dot de
Institut für Theoretische Physik    Tel. +49 30 314-24254, FAX -21130
Technische Universität Berlin          http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
Sekr. PN 7-1, Hardenbergstr. 36, D-10623 Berlin            IRC: kuroi

Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Jeremy C. Reed" <reed at wcug.wwu dot edu>
Subject: Re: Athenticate with pop first

On Tue, 30 May 2000, Nuno Teixeira wrote:

> I wan't to know how do I configure QPopper to authenticate the user with POP
> first and then the user may use the SMTP to send email. I use QPopper +
> Sendmail.

Visit:

http://bsd.reedmedia.net/Software/Servers/SMTP_Mail/POP3_Authenticated_Relaying/

-- Jeremy C. Reed


From: "Tibor Borzak" <borzak at monti-heim dot ch>
Subject: pop3 forwarding
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:14:15 +0300

Hy,

I want to implement a transparent proxy, smtp and pop3 server for our
company.
My question is : can I setup the qpopper server that he "forward" a pop3
internal request from our users to a
another pop3 server (for example we have several users which have mail
account on our ISP server).
We are using a dial-up connection to our ISP, so I can't use fixed IP
addresses..

The same implementation exist on NT which WinGate or Sambar proxy servers.

Thank you in advance for your help.

ing. Tibor Borzak
System Administrator
Eastern Technology Romania


Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:18:16 +0100
From: Fergal Daly <fergal at esatclear dot ie>
Subject: Re: pop3 forwarding

What you want is http://vergenet.net/linux/perdition/ for pop3 and imap 
forwarding. I'd guess that the products you mention don't run a pop3 proxy, 
they use something like network address translation or masquerading to pass 
packets through,

Fergal



At 12:14 31/05/00, Tibor Borzak wrote:
>Hy,
>
>I want to implement a transparent proxy, smtp and pop3 server for our
>company.
>My question is : can I setup the qpopper server that he "forward" a pop3
>internal request from our users to a
>another pop3 server (for example we have several users which have mail
>account on our ISP server).
>We are using a dial-up connection to our ISP, so I can't use fixed IP
>addresses..
>
>The same implementation exist on NT which WinGate or Sambar proxy servers.



Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:35:16 +0800
From: Desmond J Lim <d35 at mac dot com>
Subject: Can't connect to server

Hello,

I've implemented a Linux server in my company to be a personal mail server.

It is set up with sendmail and Qpopper.

When I use my eudora pro at home to send mail via my personal mail 
server, I get this error message

Server not responding.706; Lost connection to the server. {37.1171}

What is wrong with it?

I've telnet localhost 110 and the deamon is working properly. I could 
log in and such.

If I just want to use the mail server as an SMTP server, do I need to 
log in to do that?


Thanks.

Desmond


From: "Nico Wimmer" <nico at home.kurios dot at>
Subject: Re: Can't connect to server
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:55:00 +0200

hi

port 110 is pop3 (qpopper)
and smtp is port 25 (sendmail)

this are 2 different programs.
i think your sendmail is false installed

greetings,
nico


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Desmond J Lim" <d35 at mac dot com>
To: "Subscribers of Qpopper" <qpopper at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 1:35 PM
Subject: Can't connect to server


> Hello,
> 
> I've implemented a Linux server in my company to be a personal mail =
server.
> 
> It is set up with sendmail and Qpopper.
> 
> When I use my eudora pro at home to send mail via my personal mail 
> server, I get this error message
> 
> Server not responding.706; Lost connection to the server. {37.1171}
> 
> What is wrong with it?
> 
> I've telnet localhost 110 and the deamon is working properly. I could 
> log in and such.
> 
> If I just want to use the mail server as an SMTP server, do I need to 
> log in to do that?
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Desmond
> 


Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:19:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven Champeon <schampeo at hesketh dot com>
Subject: Re: pop3 forwarding

On Wed, 31 May 2000, Tibor Borzak wrote:
> My question is : can I setup the qpopper server that he "forward" a pop3
> internal request from our users to a another pop3 server
...
> The same implementation exist on NT which WinGate or Sambar proxy servers.

No, it doesn't. Those are proxy servers - qpopper is a pop server. If you
want to proxy something, use a proxy server. If you're running Linux (you
don't say, so it's difficult to help) you might want to look at ipchains,
specifically the masquerade facility.

 http://www.adelaide.net.au/~rustcorp/ipfwchains/ipfwchains.html

The main ipchains site seems to be down, for some reason.

HTH,
Steve

-- 
tired of being an underappreciated functionary in a soulless machine?
hesketh.com is hiring: <http://hesketh.com/careers/>


From: "Nico Wimmer" <nico at home.kurios dot at>
Subject: EOF Error
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:54:50 +0200

Hi !

often i get the error:
EOF from  at 192.168.0.2 (scoobydoo): [0
] 29 (Illegal seek); 0 (Success)
(null) at scoobydoo (192.168.0.2): -ERR
POP EOF or I/O Error: 29 (Illegal seek); 0 (Success)

what can i do, that qopper hide this message ?

thanks in advance


Mit freundlichen Grüssen / kind regards
Nicolas Wimmer
-- 
http://www.kurios.at --> For a better life


From: "Ganizani Phiri" <ganizani at malawi dot net>
Subject: How can I increase Qpopper Timeout in Qpopper3.0.2
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:35:14 +0300

Brethren

I have installed qpopper3.0.2. And have over 3000 clients. However some of
my clients are finding problems
downloading mails over 30K. The error is like Pop hangup SiGHUP or SIGPIPE
flagged.

How can I increase the pop3 timeout so that these guys don't get thrown out
before finishing there messages

ganizani


From: "Gavin Goldsmith" <ggoldsmith at pnp.co dot za>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:10:56 +2
Subject: Relocating the dropbox

Hello


I downloaded and installed the ver 2.52 binaries for Solaris 2.5.1 from the

sunfreeware site and installed these. The package is running successfully but I

have the following problems: 


* The copying of the dropbox to the spool directory is causing a bottlenek on

the disk subsystem! There's mention of moving it but no detail as to HOW this

can be achieved. 


* Your FAQ mentions a -R option on popper to prevent the dns lookup... This

option doesn't seem to be there on 2.52


Thanks for your assistance


Gavin  Goldsmith

South Africa






Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:19:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven Champeon <schampeo at hesketh dot com>
Subject: Re: Relocating the dropbox

On Wed, 31 May 2000, Gavin Goldsmith wrote:
> I downloaded and installed the ver 2.52 binaries for Solaris 2.5.1
> from the sunfreeware site and installed these. The package is
> running successfully but I have the following problems:

1) you're running a known insecure version of qpopper, and should upgrade
   to 3.0.2 in order to avoid being cracked.

I don't believe that Qualcomm is even going to bother fixing the 2.*
release - their advice, based on what I've seen on this list, is to 
upgrade to 3.*

FYI,
Steve

-- 
tired of being an underappreciated functionary in a soulless machine?
hesketh.com is hiring: <http://hesketh.com/careers/>


Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:26:24 -0400
From: Linda Pelleu Antil <linda.pelleu at nist dot gov>
Subject: qpopper 3.0.2 question

I have installed qpopper 3.0.2 on a Solaris 2.7 system.
I am having a problem reconstructing the features we had under 2.5x.  We
had used SERVER_MODE and
also used KEEP_TEMP_DROP (we have a lot of users - some who delete all the
mail from the server, some who do not).

I configured with (among other options): enable-servermode and
enable-temp-drop-dir=/email/poptemp
I modified config.h to add: #define KEEP_TEMP_DROP  

In testing (with Eudora 4.1 client, set to "Leave mail on server" and
"Delete from server after 1 day"):  if there is new mail waiting on the
server for user1, the POP connection creates /email/poptemp/.user1.pop,
with same size as  the /var/mail/user1 mail file. This .user1.pop file
remains intact after POP connection closed.  On the next POP connection,
this .user1.pop file gets *appended* to the /var/mail/user1 file on the
server.  Eudora does not pick up the duplicate messages, but the entire
mailbox is duplicated on the server and thus grows exponentially with each
POP connection.

I tried adding #define NO_STATUS as well (which we were using under 2.5x)
and the result was that the /var/mail/user1 file did not grow, however the
client software downloaded the same messages each session, over and over again.

So, how do we get the .user.pop files kept and have things function properly?

Thanks for your help -

Linda



From: "Gavin Goldsmith" <ggoldsmith at pnp.co dot za>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:51:11 +2
Subject: Re: Relocating the dropbox - LAST UPD

Compiled and installed 3.0.2 and we're flying by comparison!!!

Thnx again.

Gavin

From: "Jerry O'Brien" <jobrien at cuttingedge dot net>
Subject: need explanation of I/O Error - no such file or directory
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:56:21 -0500

Using 3.0, I'm getting this error on just a handful of users:

    -ERR POP EOF or I/O error: No such file or directory (2) [popper.c:560]

I can't see anything different about these users. Some have home dirs and
some don't, but I'm not using any home directory options.

Any ideas?


Jerry O'Brien
Cutting Edge Systems



Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:49:15 +0800
From: Desmond J Lim <d35 at mac dot com>
Subject: Re: Can't connect to server

Hello,

Both my sendmail and qpopper are set up and both work when I telnet

telnet localhost 110 (for qpopper)
telnet localhost 25 (for sendmail)

Sendmail can't be setup wrongly as I can sendmail on my mail server 
(at the terminal itself).

Is there something I must do to either qpopper or sendmail to make 
them work together?

Desmond

>hi
>
>port 110 is pop3 (qpopper)
>and smtp is port 25 (sendmail)
>
>this are 2 different programs.
>i think your sendmail is false installed
>
>greetings,
>nico
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Desmond J Lim" <d35 at mac dot com>
>To: "Subscribers of Qpopper" <qpopper at lists.pensive dot org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 1:35 PM
>Subject: Can't connect to server
>
>
>>  Hello,
>>
>>  I've implemented a Linux server in my company to be a personal mail server.
>>
>>  It is set up with sendmail and Qpopper.
>>
>>  When I use my eudora pro at home to send mail via my personal mail
>>  server, I get this error message
>>
>>  Server not responding.706; Lost connection to the server. {37.1171}
>>
>>  What is wrong with it?
>>
>  > I've telnet localhost 110 and the deamon is working properly. I could
>>  log in and such.
>>
>>  If I just want to use the mail server as an SMTP server, do I need to
>>  log in to do that?
>>
>>
>>  Thanks.
>>
>>  Desmond
>>


From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Gaschütz?=" <philipp at gng dot de>
Subject: RE: Can't connect to server
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:15:33 +0200

They are completly independent programs (nearly). However, when sending
mail sendmail is independent from qpopper!! ...unless you have something
such as DRAC installed (pop-before-smtp), but this is highly unlikely on
a fresh installation.

Have a look at the sendmail doc/faq/ml

-p


> Both my sendmail and qpopper are set up and both work when I telnet
>
> telnet localhost 110 (for qpopper)
> telnet localhost 25 (for sendmail)
>
> Sendmail can't be setup wrongly as I can sendmail on my mail server
> (at the terminal itself).
>
> Is there something I must do to either qpopper or sendmail to make
> them work together?
>
> Desmond
>
> >hi
> >
> >port 110 is pop3 (qpopper)
> >and smtp is port 25 (sendmail)
> >
> >this are 2 different programs.
> >i think your sendmail is false installed
> >
> >greetings,
> >nico
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Desmond J Lim" <d35 at mac dot com>
> >To: "Subscribers of Qpopper" <qpopper at lists.pensive dot org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 1:35 PM
> >Subject: Can't connect to server
> >
> >
> >>  Hello,
> >>
> >>  I've implemented a Linux server in my company to be a
> personal mail server.
> >>
> >>  It is set up with sendmail and Qpopper.
> >>
> >>  When I use my eudora pro at home to send mail via my personal mail
> >>  server, I get this error message
> >>
> >>  Server not responding.706; Lost connection to the server. {37.1171}
> >>
> >>  What is wrong with it?
> >>
> >  > I've telnet localhost 110 and the deamon is working
> properly. I could
> >>  log in and such.
> >>
> >>  If I just want to use the mail server as an SMTP server,
> do I need to
> >>  log in to do that?
> >>
> >>
> >>  Thanks.
> >>
> >>  Desmond
> >>
>
>


Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:23:47 +0800
From: Desmond J Lim <d35 at mac dot com>
Subject: RE: Can't connect to server

Okay I realised my problem and wonder how to go about solving it.

When I at my pop3 server at work, I can telnet localhost 110 but 
can't do it from home. It says that host or gateway not found.

What's happening? How can I solve this problem.

Thanks.

Desmond


At 17:15 +0200 01/06/2000, Philipp Gaschütz wrote:
>They are completly independent programs (nearly). However, when sending
>mail sendmail is independent from qpopper!! ...unless you have something
>such as DRAC installed (pop-before-smtp), but this is highly unlikely on
>a fresh installation.
>
>Have a look at the sendmail doc/faq/ml
>
>-p
>
>
>>  Both my sendmail and qpopper are set up and both work when I telnet
>>
>>  telnet localhost 110 (for qpopper)
>>  telnet localhost 25 (for sendmail)
>>
>>  Sendmail can't be setup wrongly as I can sendmail on my mail server
>>  (at the terminal itself).
>>
>>  Is there something I must do to either qpopper or sendmail to make
>>  them work together?
>>
>>  Desmond
>>
>>  >hi
>>  >
>>  >port 110 is pop3 (qpopper)
>>  >and smtp is port 25 (sendmail)
>>  >
>>  >this are 2 different programs.
>>  >i think your sendmail is false installed
>>  >
>>  >greetings,
>>  >nico
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >----- Original Message -----
>>  >From: "Desmond J Lim" <d35 at mac dot com>
>>  >To: "Subscribers of Qpopper" <qpopper at lists.pensive dot org>
>>  >Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 1:35 PM
>>  >Subject: Can't connect to server
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >>  Hello,
>>  >>
>>  >>  I've implemented a Linux server in my company to be a
>>  personal mail server.
>>  >>
>>  >>  It is set up with sendmail and Qpopper.
>>  >>
>>  >>  When I use my eudora pro at home to send mail via my personal mail
>>  >>  server, I get this error message
>>  >>
>>  >>  Server not responding.706; Lost connection to the server. {37.1171}
>>  >>
>>  >>  What is wrong with it?
>>  >>
>>  >  > I've telnet localhost 110 and the deamon is working
>>  properly. I could
>>  >>  log in and such.
>>  >>
>>  >>  If I just want to use the mail server as an SMTP server,
>>  do I need to
>>  >>  log in to do that?
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>  Thanks.
>>  >>
>>  >>  Desmond
>>  >>
>>
>>


From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Gaschütz?=" <philipp at gng dot de>
Subject: RE: Can't connect to server
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:27:12 +0200

your internet connection is fucked?!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Desmond J Lim [mailto:d35 at mac dot com]
> Sent: Donnerstag, 1. Juni 2000 17:24
> To: Subscribers of Qpopper
> Subject: RE: Can't connect to server
>
>
> Okay I realised my problem and wonder how to go about solving it.
>
> When I at my pop3 server at work, I can telnet localhost 110 but
> can't do it from home. It says that host or gateway not found.
>
> What's happening? How can I solve this problem.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Desmond
>
>
> At 17:15 +0200 01/06/2000, Philipp Gasch¸tz wrote:
> >They are completly independent programs (nearly). However,
> when sending
> >mail sendmail is independent from qpopper!! ...unless you
> have something
> >such as DRAC installed (pop-before-smtp), but this is highly
> unlikely on
> >a fresh installation.
> >
> >Have a look at the sendmail doc/faq/ml
> >
> >-p
> >
> >
> >>  Both my sendmail and qpopper are set up and both work when I telnet
> >>
> >>  telnet localhost 110 (for qpopper)
> >>  telnet localhost 25 (for sendmail)
> >>
> >>  Sendmail can't be setup wrongly as I can sendmail on my mail server
> >>  (at the terminal itself).
> >>
> >>  Is there something I must do to either qpopper or sendmail to make
> >>  them work together?
> >>
> >>  Desmond
> >>
> >>  >hi
> >>  >
> >>  >port 110 is pop3 (qpopper)
> >>  >and smtp is port 25 (sendmail)
> >>  >
> >>  >this are 2 different programs.
> >>  >i think your sendmail is false installed
> >>  >
> >>  >greetings,
> >>  >nico
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >----- Original Message -----
> >>  >From: "Desmond J Lim" <d35 at mac dot com>
> >>  >To: "Subscribers of Qpopper" <qpopper at lists.pensive dot org>
> >>  >Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 1:35 PM
> >>  >Subject: Can't connect to server
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >>  Hello,
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  I've implemented a Linux server in my company to be a
> >>  personal mail server.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  It is set up with sendmail and Qpopper.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  When I use my eudora pro at home to send mail via my
> personal mail
> >>  >>  server, I get this error message
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  Server not responding.706; Lost connection to the
> server. {37.1171}
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  What is wrong with it?
> >>  >>
> >>  >  > I've telnet localhost 110 and the deamon is working
> >>  properly. I could
> >>  >>  log in and such.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  If I just want to use the mail server as an SMTP server,
> >>  do I need to
> >>  >>  log in to do that?
> >>  >>
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  Thanks.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  Desmond
> >>  >>
> >>
> >>
>
>


From: "Ganizani Phiri" <ganizani at malawi dot net>
Subject: Messages with attachments
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:35:17 +0300

Many of my clients are facing problems retrieving mail with attachments even
20KB. I have tried to increase
the timeout to -T2400 . I have played around with Qpopper3.0.2. My clients
have increased their timeouts but the problem seem to persist.
There are about 3000 mailboxes on the Pentium II Box with 96MB RAM. I am
running FreeBsd-4.0.

Would someone over there know what could cause this. Or could it be memory
or something to do with resources on my box.

My clients are receiving the error like 'the server terminated the
connection unexpectedly.'

If you have any idea please help.


Thanks in advance.
Ganizani Phiri
Malawi.