The worldmail list archive ending on 8 Aug 2001
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. RE: Relay Problem
"John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:32:18 -0400
2. Re: Relay Problem
"Terry E. Muskoff" <temuskoff at prodigy dot net>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:48:30 -0400
3. RE: Relay Problem
"John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:06:49 -0400
4. RE: Relay Problem
"John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:44:29 -0400
5. RE: Relay Problem
"Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:08:26 -0400
6. RE: Services Stopping
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:37:54 -0400
7. Distribution Lists
Rich Turiel <rturiel at easter-seals dot org>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:42:51 -0500
8. Distribution Lists II
Rich Turiel <rturiel at easter-seals dot org>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:45:36 -0500
9. RE: Distribution Lists
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:51:59 -0400
10. RE: Distribution Lists II
"Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:58:51 -0400
11. RE: Distribution Lists II
"Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:26:15 -0400
12. RE: Relay Problem
"John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:30:23 -0400
13. Re: Relay Problem
"Terry E. Muskoff" <temuskoff at prodigy dot net>
Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:23:26 -0400
14. lost emails !
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Cédric_Daimo?= <daimo at praxim dot fr>
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:34:36 +0200
15. web interface for Worldmail
"Eugene Semetsky" <eugene_semetsky at aapl.com dot au>
Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:25:30 +1000
16. RE: web interface for Worldmail
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:11:09 -0400
17. SMTP server
Chris Hinch <chinch at arl.co dot nz>
Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:25:47 +1200
18. RE: web interface for Worldmail
Douglas Anderson <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:23:11 -0500
19. RE: SMTP server
Douglas Anderson <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:27:16 -0500
20. RE: SMTP server
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:05:29 +0100
21. RE: SMTP server
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:28:15 -0400
22. messages stuck in queue
"S. Amy Singh" <geekus_maximus at hotmail dot com>
Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:32:10 -0400
23. RE: messages stuck in queue
"Art Lazanoff" <art at parrotbyte dot com>
Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:47:42 -0700
24. RE: messages stuck in queue
Douglas Anderson <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:20:05 -0500
25. Upgrading
Phil Howitt <phil_h at ix.netcom dot com>
Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:28:40 -0700
26. 7bit conversion failed
"schulte, ulrich" <u.schulte at holsten dot de>
Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:50:39 +0200
27. RE: 7bit conversion failed
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:31:44 +0100
28. RE: 7bit conversion failed
John Aldridge <john.aldridge at informatix.co dot uk>
Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:19:07 +0100
29. Maximum attachment size
Peter Moon <peter.moon at js.com dot au>
Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:07:56 +1000
30. RE: Maximum attachment size
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:45:39 +0100
31. Auto Reply to your message ...
duane at issi1 dot com
16 Jul 2001 02:03:27 -0500
32. Auto Reply to your message ...
duane at issi1 dot com
17 Jul 2001 02:03:45 -0500
33. how to unsubscribe ?
"Duane Barcena" <duane at issi1 dot com>
Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:14:20 -0500
34. RE: how to unsubscribe ?
"Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:55:37 -0700
35. Web Interface Troubles
Rich Turiel <rturiel at easter-seals dot org>
Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:20:06 -0500
36. RE: Web Interface Troubles
Rich Turiel <rturiel at easter-seals dot org>
Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:38:57 -0500
37. RE: Web Interface Troubles
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:42:59 -0400
38. RE: Web Interface Troubles
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:48:12 -0400
39. RE: Web Interface Troubles
"David Dowdy" <DDowdy at csiweb dot com>
Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:21:05 -0500
40. Re: Web Interface Troubles
Brad Schlaeppi <bschlaeppi at smm dot org>
Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:15:26 -0500
41. Virus software on server
Rich Turiel <rturiel at easter-seals dot org>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:44:38 -0500
42. RE: Virus software on server
"Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:56:43 -0300
43. RE: Virus software on server
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:15:01 -0400
44. RE: Virus software on server
"Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:26:54 -0400
45. RE: Virus software on server
"Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:42:57 -0300
46. RE: Virus software on server
"Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:53:42 -0400
47. RE: Virus software on server
"Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:54:12 -0400
48. FW: Virus software on server
"Richard Anderson" <richa at mitchellair dot com>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:02:42 -0500
49. RE: Virus software on server
"Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:52:17 -0300
50. RE: Virus software on server
"Jason Davidson" <jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:48:17 -0700
From: "John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Subject: RE: Relay Problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:32:18 -0400
Hi Johan,
That's what I thought as well, however I am definitely accessing the SMTP
server from an external IP.
It's strange, with the tester I am using, all unauthorized relay attempts
are being rebuffed unless I
spoof the "from" address. I must be missing something because this would be
too easy to defeat.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Malmberg [mailto:johan.malmberg at nextlevel dot se]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:20 PM
To: John Kirchner
Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Re: Relay Problem
Hm!
The "from" address has absolutely nothing to do with relay
restrictions! It all depends on what IP# the message is originating
from.
/Johan
John Kirchner wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am not trying to prevent mail sent to a local domain, I am trying to
> prevent someone sending mail
> as if it originated from our domain (spamming).
>
> With the SMTP relay restrictions in place I can still relay messages to an
> outside domain, provided I
> say my name is mrspammer at ourdomain dot com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Malmberg [mailto:johan.malmberg at nextlevel dot se]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:04 PM
> To: John Kirchner
> Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Re: Relay Problem
>
> Hi!
>
> your configuration looks right!
>
> Sending a mail to a local domain "ourdomain.com" does not require a
> "relay" since it's on the same server! If you want to prevent mails to
> your local domain, you won't be able to receive any mails since no
> server is allowed to send mail to your server... :)
>
> /Johan Malmberg
>
> John Kirchner wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have configured my server to only allow relaying from a certain range
of
> > IP addresses:
> >
> > IP Subnet
> > 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0
> >
> > I also stopped & restarted the SMTP service.
> >
> > I attached to an external server to test the relay restrictions. If I
> > configure my tester to use a non-local domain user (ex:
> > spammer at spamworld dot com) the server rejects the mail. However
> > if I use a local domain user (ex: spammer at ourdomain dot com) the server
lets
> > the message go through!
> >
> > What am I missing, somebody please fill me in. Our server just got
listed
> > on an abuse database because of our 'open relay' status.
> >
> > Thanks
> > John
From: "Terry E. Muskoff" <temuskoff at prodigy dot net>
Subject: Re: Relay Problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:48:30 -0400
The WorldMail server software is programmed to ignore any filtering on the
10.x.x.x address range. I got this information from Tech Support some time
ago. They have no plan to correct the problem. I had to re-address my
internal network to 172.16.x.x to overcome this problem.
Regards,
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
To: "Subscribers of WorldMail" <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:05 PM
Subject: RE: Relay Problem
> Hi Ben,
>
> Our internal IP range is 10.0.0.1 -> 10.0.0.254 (non routable).
>
> I am no expert on IP's and subnets but I do believe that the settings I
> entered restrict
> access to that block. Am I wrong about this ?
>
> If I remove the restriction I can relay as anyuser at anydomain dot com, If I add
> the range I can only relay as fakeuser at ourdomain dot com.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:04 PM
> To: John Kirchner; Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: RE: Relay Problem
>
>
> I like what you've done, but at the same time, whats the point of
specifying
> that range? Isnt that range basically the same thing as if you put nothing
> in there?
>
> Id like to know how to make a public email server NOT suseptible to being
> put on ORBS etc.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Kirchner [mailto:jkirch at jumpsource dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:55 AM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Relay Problem
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have configured my server to only allow relaying from a certain range of
> IP addresses:
>
> IP Subnet
> 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0
>
>
> I also stopped & restarted the SMTP service.
>
> I attached to an external server to test the relay restrictions. If I
> configure my tester to use a non-local domain user (ex:
> spammer at spamworld dot com) the server rejects the mail. However
> if I use a local domain user (ex: spammer at ourdomain dot com) the server lets
> the message go through!
>
> What am I missing, somebody please fill me in. Our server just got listed
> on an abuse database because of our 'open relay' status.
>
> Thanks
> John
>
>
From: "John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Subject: RE: Relay Problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:06:49 -0400
Terry & All,
Thanks for all the help and advice. I guess I will just reconfigure my DHCP
server to dole out
a new IP range and fix everything that breaks thereafter.
I am new to this list, hopefully I can reciprocate the help I have received
here.
Thanks
JK
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry E. Muskoff [mailto:temuskoff at prodigy dot net]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Re: Relay Problem
The WorldMail server software is programmed to ignore any filtering on the
10.x.x.x address range. I got this information from Tech Support some time
ago. They have no plan to correct the problem. I had to re-address my
internal network to 172.16.x.x to overcome this problem.
Regards,
Terry
From: "John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Subject: RE: Relay Problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:44:29 -0400
Hi Andrew,
Using the test I was in fact able to defeat the relay protection.
The tool I use if from http://www.samspade.org/ssw/ , it is a very good tool
for doing tracerts, whois, digs,
and a ton of other stuff I do not understand. It has an SMTP relay tester
as well. To use (in order to avoid abuse) you need to provide an email
address (in edit/options/basic in case anyone wants to test there own
server).
There is also a telnet tester telnet://relay-test.mail-abuse.org (use the
telnet console as the connection is dropped after the test). This test also
seems to confirm that there is a problem.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Cyr [mailto:acyr at admin.seu dot edu]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:31 PM
To: John Kirchner
Subject: Re: Relay Problem
John,
I think you've got this right. I don't understand your test exactly. A
host
outside your 10.0.0.0 network should not be able to relay mail to another
host
outside 10.0.0.0. Is this what you were able to do? That host should, of
course, be able to send mail to your own users.
Andrew Cyr
John Kirchner wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I have configured my server to only allow relaying from a certain range of
> IP addresses:
>
> IP Subnet
> 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0
>
> I also stopped & restarted the SMTP service.
>
> I attached to an external server to test the relay restrictions. If I
> configure my tester to use a non-local domain user (ex:
> spammer at spamworld dot com) the server rejects the mail. However
> if I use a local domain user (ex: spammer at ourdomain dot com) the server lets
> the message go through!
>
> What am I missing, somebody please fill me in. Our server just got listed
> on an abuse database because of our 'open relay' status.
>
> Thanks
> John
--
Andrew Cyr
Manager, Networking & Communications
Southeastern University
501 I Street SW
Washington, DC 20024
202-488-8162, x242 202-488-8093 fax www.seu.edu
--------------------------------------------------------
Educating technology, business, and government leaders
for the region and the world.
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From: "Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Subject: RE: Relay Problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:08:26 -0400
Is this true of all of the Private IP ranges, such as 192.168.x.x, or is it
only true of 10.x.x.x?
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry E. Muskoff [mailto:temuskoff at prodigy dot net]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:49 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Re: Relay Problem
The WorldMail server software is programmed to ignore any filtering on the
10.x.x.x address range. I got this information from Tech Support some time
ago. They have no plan to correct the problem. I had to re-address my
internal network to 172.16.x.x to overcome this problem.
Regards,
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
To: "Subscribers of WorldMail" <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:05 PM
Subject: RE: Relay Problem
> Hi Ben,
>
> Our internal IP range is 10.0.0.1 -> 10.0.0.254 (non routable).
>
> I am no expert on IP's and subnets but I do believe that the settings I
> entered restrict
> access to that block. Am I wrong about this ?
>
> If I remove the restriction I can relay as anyuser at anydomain dot com, If I add
> the range I can only relay as fakeuser at ourdomain dot com.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:04 PM
> To: John Kirchner; Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: RE: Relay Problem
>
>
> I like what you've done, but at the same time, whats the point of
specifying
> that range? Isnt that range basically the same thing as if you put nothing
> in there?
>
> Id like to know how to make a public email server NOT suseptible to being
> put on ORBS etc.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Kirchner [mailto:jkirch at jumpsource dot com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:55 AM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Relay Problem
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have configured my server to only allow relaying from a certain range of
> IP addresses:
>
> IP Subnet
> 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0
>
>
> I also stopped & restarted the SMTP service.
>
> I attached to an external server to test the relay restrictions. If I
> configure my tester to use a non-local domain user (ex:
> spammer at spamworld dot com) the server rejects the mail. However
> if I use a local domain user (ex: spammer at ourdomain dot com) the server lets
> the message go through!
>
> What am I missing, somebody please fill me in. Our server just got listed
> on an abuse database because of our 'open relay' status.
>
> Thanks
> John
>
>
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: Services Stopping
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:37:54 -0400
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Well, without getting into my stories about NAV corp edition, my first
recommendation is to shut that down for a day or so and see what happens.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Smallwood [mailto:msmallwood at mindseye dot com]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:20 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Services Stopping
I have been running Worldmail server for years without any real problems
to speak of. But, starting about 2 weeks ago, I have had problems keeping
the "Eudora Worldmail" service running. It seems to just stop every other
hour or so, with no real pattern.
I have gone through all the logs and events at the time the service stops,
and I see absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. My queue is very small.
The only other software running on this high end Dell server is PCAnywhere,
SMS, and Norton Corp. AntiVirus.
Although my initial thoughts were rooted with the mail server itself
causing an internal shutdown of the service, I now am leaning towards some
external program causing the conflict (because I see nothing unusual with
the mail server). The problem is I have no idea what this external source
could be!
Any comments would be greatly appreciated!
...mike
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<DIV><SPAN class=509523518-14062001><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff size=2>Well,
without getting into my stories about NAV corp edition, my first
recommendation
is to shut that down for a day or so and see what
happens.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Michael Smallwood
[mailto:msmallwood at mindseye dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 14,
2001 12:20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Subject:</B> Services
Stopping<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001><FONT face=Arial size=2>I
have been
running Worldmail server for years without any real problems to speak
of. But,
starting about 2 weeks ago, I have had problems keeping the "Eudora
Worldmail"
service running. It seems to just stop every other hour or so, with no
real
pattern. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001><FONT face=Arial size=2>I
have gone
through all the logs and events at the time the service stops,
and I see
absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. My queue is very small. The
only other software running on this high end Dell server is
PCAnywhere,
SMS, and Norton Corp. AntiVirus. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Although my
initial thoughts were rooted with the mail server itself causing
an
internal shutdown of the service, I now am leaning towards some
external
program causing the conflict (because I see nothing unusual with
the mail
server). The problem is I have no idea what this external source could
be!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=634190516-14062001><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any
comments would
be greatly appreciated!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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From: Rich Turiel <rturiel at easter-seals dot org>
Subject: Distribution Lists
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:42:51 -0500
I created a bunch of Distribution Lists for our users to serve as list
serves for them. They now want more advanced features like archiving and
such and are going to take the lists to another server.....I don't know if
anyone has had much experience with these on World Mail but does anyone know
of anyway to forward email sent to a World Mail distribution list to another
address?
Rich
From: Rich Turiel <rturiel at easter-seals dot org>
Subject: Distribution Lists II
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:45:36 -0500
Actually I may have just answered my own question I can kill the lists all
together and the just create user accounts with that same list address name
and set it to alias to the new list address.....make sense?
Rich
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: Distribution Lists
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:51:59 -0400
im sorry, i dont. but perhaps imap would be a possible solution?
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 4:43 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Distribution Lists
I created a bunch of Distribution Lists for our users to serve as list
serves for them. They now want more advanced features like archiving and
such and are going to take the lists to another server.....I don't know if
anyone has had much experience with these on World Mail but does anyone know
of anyway to forward email sent to a World Mail distribution list to another
address?
Rich
From: "Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Subject: RE: Distribution Lists II
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:58:51 -0400
I can't see any reason at all that you couldn't create a distribusion list,
and put another distribution list as one of the members. It would simply
forward that message to every member, including any distribution list
address that is a member.
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 4:46 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Distribution Lists II
Actually I may have just answered my own question I can kill the lists all
together and the just create user accounts with that same list address name
and set it to alias to the new list address.....make sense?
Rich
From: "Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Subject: RE: Distribution Lists II
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:26:15 -0400
Not a problem. In fact, I think that you can just rename the old list to
whatever new list you would like to have. That might save some time,
particularly if a large number of contacts that are in the current
distribution list are to remain in any of the other lists. Just a thought,
since It will take awhile to build lists if they are of any size.
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:02 PM
To: 'KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com'
Subject: RE: Distribution Lists II
Hmmm that sounds like it would be even better...if I was sure that everyone
on the old list moved to the new list I could even make the new list the
only member of the old list. Thanks Tom!
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 3:59 PM
To: Rich Turiel; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Distribution Lists II
I can't see any reason at all that you couldn't create a distribusion list,
and put another distribution list as one of the members. It would simply
forward that message to every member, including any distribution list
address that is a member.
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at presearch dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 4:46 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Distribution Lists II
Actually I may have just answered my own question I can kill the lists all
together and the just create user accounts with that same list address name
and set it to alias to the new list address.....make sense?
Rich
From: "John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
Subject: RE: Relay Problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:30:23 -0400
Hello Seymour,
Our server lives on a multi-homed NT box, running MS Proxy server. The
worldmail server 'listens' on both our
internal LAT (10.x) and external ip. No IP routing.
There is no DNS server running internally, I am really clueless regarding
most issues DNS except how to refer to
an external on at the gateway.
I am wondering if the problem I am seeing might be with the testing
software, because if I configure say an outlook
client account with legit local user & password I cannot relay from the
external IP. The testing software (which is
a very nice FREE networking tool from www.samspade.org (windows version, not
online) sends a notification to whatever email
address you setup in your options. When this email address is
me at myotherisp dot com the server prevents relay. When the email
address is me at thedomainIamtryingtosecure dot com it goes through. I am testing
from a denied IP, but I can clearly see in the
testing window ( an SMTP session ) the mail is sent to me.
Also telnet-ing to relay-test.mail-abuse.org notes a possible leak (try it
on your own server an see what it says).
I have configured another worldmail server with 192.168.1.x scheme, totally
different company, same results.
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: Seymour Joseph [mailto:sjoseph at bciu.k12.pa dot us]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 4:30 PM
To: John Kirchner
Subject: Re: Relay Problem
John,
I think it has something to do with your mail server being part of a
"fake" 10 block address. We use 10.x addresses inside too but our
Worldmail server is outside with a "real" tcp/IP address. When I gave
it anti-relay ranges they stuck whether the origin was spoofed or not.
Do you have named entities (DNS) inside your 10 block network? Could it
be a DNS thing?
Seymour
John Kirchner wrote:
>
> Hi Johan,
>
> That's what I thought as well, however I am definitely accessing the SMTP
> server from an external IP.
>
> It's strange, with the tester I am using, all unauthorized relay attempts
> are being rebuffed unless I
> spoof the "from" address. I must be missing something because this would
be
> too easy to defeat.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Malmberg [mailto:johan.malmberg at nextlevel dot se]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:20 PM
> To: John Kirchner
> Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Re: Relay Problem
>
> Hm!
>
> The "from" address has absolutely nothing to do with relay
> restrictions! It all depends on what IP# the message is originating
> from.
>
> /Johan
>
> John Kirchner wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am not trying to prevent mail sent to a local domain, I am trying to
> > prevent someone sending mail
> > as if it originated from our domain (spamming).
> >
> > With the SMTP relay restrictions in place I can still relay messages to
an
> > outside domain, provided I
> > say my name is mrspammer at ourdomain dot com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Johan Malmberg [mailto:johan.malmberg at nextlevel dot se]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:04 PM
> > To: John Kirchner
> > Cc: Subscribers of WorldMail
> > Subject: Re: Relay Problem
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > your configuration looks right!
> >
> > Sending a mail to a local domain "ourdomain.com" does not require a
> > "relay" since it's on the same server! If you want to prevent mails to
> > your local domain, you won't be able to receive any mails since no
> > server is allowed to send mail to your server... :)
> >
> > /Johan Malmberg
> >
> > John Kirchner wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I have configured my server to only allow relaying from a certain
range
> of
> > > IP addresses:
> > >
> > > IP Subnet
> > > 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0
> > >
> > > I also stopped & restarted the SMTP service.
> > >
> > > I attached to an external server to test the relay restrictions. If I
> > > configure my tester to use a non-local domain user (ex:
> > > spammer at spamworld dot com) the server rejects the mail. However
> > > if I use a local domain user (ex: spammer at ourdomain dot com) the server
> lets
> > > the message go through!
> > >
> > > What am I missing, somebody please fill me in. Our server just got
> listed
> > > on an abuse database because of our 'open relay' status.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > John
--
Seymour Joseph
Director, Technology Services
Bucks County Intermediate Unit #22
705 Shady Retreat Road
Doylestown, PA 18901
Phone (800)-770-4822 x1110
Fax: 215-489-7874
Email: sjoseph at bciu.k12.pa dot us
Web (BCIU): http://www.bciu.k12.pa.us
Web (Seymour): http://www.bciu.k12.pa.us/users/sjoseph/Welcome.htm
From: "Terry E. Muskoff" <temuskoff at prodigy dot net>
Subject: Re: Relay Problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:23:26 -0400
WorldMail Tech Support told me that 10.x.x.x is the only address space that
has this problem.
Any other should work as expected.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
To: "Terry E. Muskoff" <temuskoff at prodigy dot net>; "Subscribers of WorldMail"
<worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: Relay Problem
> Is this true of all of the Private IP ranges, such as 192.168.x.x, or is
it
> only true of 10.x.x.x?
>
> Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
> MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
> Control Concepts, Inc.
> 703-876-6418
> Fax: 703-876-6416
> KempT at presearch dot com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry E. Muskoff [mailto:temuskoff at prodigy dot net]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:49 PM
> To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> Subject: Re: Relay Problem
>
>
> The WorldMail server software is programmed to ignore any filtering on the
> 10.x.x.x address range. I got this information from Tech Support some
time
> ago. They have no plan to correct the problem. I had to re-address my
> internal network to 172.16.x.x to overcome this problem.
>
> Regards,
> Terry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Kirchner" <jkirch at jumpsource dot com>
> To: "Subscribers of WorldMail" <worldmail at lists.pensive dot org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:05 PM
> Subject: RE: Relay Problem
>
>
> > Hi Ben,
> >
> > Our internal IP range is 10.0.0.1 -> 10.0.0.254 (non routable).
> >
> > I am no expert on IP's and subnets but I do believe that the settings I
> > entered restrict
> > access to that block. Am I wrong about this ?
> >
> > If I remove the restriction I can relay as anyuser at anydomain dot com, If I
add
> > the range I can only relay as fakeuser at ourdomain dot com.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:04 PM
> > To: John Kirchner; Subscribers of WorldMail
> > Subject: RE: Relay Problem
> >
> >
> > I like what you've done, but at the same time, whats the point of
> specifying
> > that range? Isnt that range basically the same thing as if you put
nothing
> > in there?
> >
> > Id like to know how to make a public email server NOT suseptible to
being
> > put on ORBS etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Kirchner [mailto:jkirch at jumpsource dot com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:55 AM
> > To: Subscribers of WorldMail
> > Subject: Relay Problem
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have configured my server to only allow relaying from a certain range
of
> > IP addresses:
> >
> > IP Subnet
> > 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0
> >
> >
> > I also stopped & restarted the SMTP service.
> >
> > I attached to an external server to test the relay restrictions. If I
> > configure my tester to use a non-local domain user (ex:
> > spammer at spamworld dot com) the server rejects the mail. However
> > if I use a local domain user (ex: spammer at ourdomain dot com) the server
lets
> > the message go through!
> >
> > What am I missing, somebody please fill me in. Our server just got
listed
> > on an abuse database because of our 'open relay' status.
> >
> > Thanks
> > John
> >
> >
>
>
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cédric_Daimo?= <daimo at praxim dot fr>
Subject: lost emails !
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:34:36 +0200
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Hi,
Following a bad assignment of permission on repertory "mailboxes", the mails
were not stored !
(message in the event log : 'cannot open file ... for writing')
How to prevent this kind of problem ?
How can I recover the lost mails ?
Thanks a lot !
CÈdric
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class=080072408-18062001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=080072408-18062001>Following a bad assignment of permission on
repertory
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class=080072408-18062001>(message in the event log
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class=080072408-18062001>'cannot open file
... for writing')</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=080072408-18062001>How to
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size=2>Thanks
a lot !</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Subject: web interface for Worldmail
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:25:30 +1000
From: "Eugene Semetsky" <eugene_semetsky at aapl.com dot au>
What is the best POP3 web interface for Worldmail?
Preferences: simple, small, free
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: web interface for Worldmail
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:11:09 -0400
I really like EMUmail. Its a bit pricey, but if you get the right salesman
you can REALLY talk em down. Excellent company, excellent sales and support.
And ironically, they are a 5 minute walk from me.
Anyway, I suggest EMUmail. If you hold off for another couple months, they
are releasing a major upgrade to their product. More functional with
Windows, especially Windows 2000, and also simpler, more friendly
installation and customization.
My experience with CGI based web mail clients on the server side has been
nothing but a hastle. Once they are installed and configured properly, they
are easy to maintain, but otherwise.... cryptic.
Good luck,
Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: Eugene Semetsky [mailto:eugene_semetsky at aapl.com dot au]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:26 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: web interface for Worldmail
What is the best POP3 web interface for Worldmail?
Preferences: simple, small, free
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:25:47 +1200
From: Chris Hinch <chinch at arl.co dot nz>
Subject: SMTP server
Hoping someone can help with a newbie question.
I need for my users to be able to send and receive email using our
corporate mail server even when dialed in through external ISP's.
Receiving mail is not a problem, as they can connect to our mail server
on our DMZ using POP3.
Sending, however, is a problem as I have relaying turned off (we've been
used in attacks once before, and it's not a place I want to be again).
We cannot allow relaying from specific address ranges as our users dial
up from widely used ISP's. So, where it stands at the moment is that
only machines with LAN IP addresses can send mail to Worldmail on the
DMZ.
I thought that by setting up VPN connections through our firewall and
equipping each dial up user with a VPN client that that would
effectively make each dialup user appear as a LAN IP address, and
thereby able to call the SMTP server. Unfortunately that's not the case,
while the VPN allows a dial up user to see machines on both the LAN and
the DMZ, Worldmail still sees the incoming packets as coming from as a
DMZ connection and they get rejected.
My current plan is to set up another box to act as an SMTP (relay or
server?) on our LAN and point internal and external VPNed clients at
that SMTP service and to use Worldmail purely as a POP3 server. Anyone
have any better ideas, or can see why this would not work? If it will
work, can anyone recommend an SMTP service or relay under NT that would
work? Is there any reason to point such a server at Worldmail (like a
relay) or should I just let it talk straight to the world?
Sorry if I have gotten something fundamentally wrong in all this... any
assistance would be much appreciated.
Chris Hinch
chinch at arl.co dot nz
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:23:11 -0500
From: Douglas Anderson <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Subject: RE: web interface for Worldmail
Well I have used two software pieces at different organizations, but neither
were free:
www.worldclient.com
WorldClient Pro (excellent POP3 web interface for any POP3 mail server, but no
IMAP support yet) I love this program! And not real expensive either
-------------------------
www.infinite.com
Infinite WebMail
OK POP3 and IMAP client, but the end user interface sucks I think, however it
support a wide array of mail server including IMAP and POP3 but is a bit more
costly!
If you only need POP3 get the WorldClient PRO!!!
>===== Original Message From "Eugene Semetsky" <eugene_semetsky at aapl.com dot au>
====
>What is the best POP3 web interface for Worldmail?
>
>Preferences: simple, small, free
------------------------
Douglas Anderson
doug at douglasanderson dot net
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:27:16 -0500
From: Douglas Anderson <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Subject: RE: SMTP server
From my past experiences the VPN should work, however the way Internet SMTP
was written is that you should have your users connect to their ISP's SMTP
server to send all outgoing mail, however some ISPs have a feature which
checks the origination e-mail address of the message and if it is not for the
ISPs domain then the mail still gets rejected. It is really a pain ehh?
I wish they would come up with a standardized authenticated SMTP so this would
not be needed and all clients and servers used it, it would greatly cut down
on the amount of spamming going on!
>===== Original Message From Chris Hinch <chinch at arl.co dot nz> ====
>Hoping someone can help with a newbie question.
>
>I need for my users to be able to send and receive email using our
>corporate mail server even when dialed in through external ISP's.
>
>Receiving mail is not a problem, as they can connect to our mail server
>on our DMZ using POP3.
>
>Sending, however, is a problem as I have relaying turned off (we've been
>used in attacks once before, and it's not a place I want to be again).
>We cannot allow relaying from specific address ranges as our users dial
>up from widely used ISP's. So, where it stands at the moment is that
>only machines with LAN IP addresses can send mail to Worldmail on the
>DMZ.
>
>I thought that by setting up VPN connections through our firewall and
>equipping each dial up user with a VPN client that that would
>effectively make each dialup user appear as a LAN IP address, and
>thereby able to call the SMTP server. Unfortunately that's not the case,
>while the VPN allows a dial up user to see machines on both the LAN and
>the DMZ, Worldmail still sees the incoming packets as coming from as a
>DMZ connection and they get rejected.
>
>My current plan is to set up another box to act as an SMTP (relay or
>server?) on our LAN and point internal and external VPNed clients at
>that SMTP service and to use Worldmail purely as a POP3 server. Anyone
>have any better ideas, or can see why this would not work? If it will
>work, can anyone recommend an SMTP service or relay under NT that would
>work? Is there any reason to point such a server at Worldmail (like a
>relay) or should I just let it talk straight to the world?
>
>Sorry if I have gotten something fundamentally wrong in all this... any
>assistance would be much appreciated.
>
>Chris Hinch
>chinch at arl.co dot nz
------------------------
Douglas Anderson
doug at douglasanderson dot net
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: SMTP server
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:05:29 +0100
FYI - there is a standardized authenticated SMTP, but the RFC came out after
the last version of WorldMail.
The other "hack" is POP-before-SMTP - i.e. check that the IP address that is
trying to submit the message has recently successfully logged in using POP3
or IMAP4.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Anderson [mailto:dandersn at purdue dot edu]
Sent: 20 June 2001 16:27
To: Chris Hinch; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: SMTP server
From my past experiences the VPN should work, however the way Internet SMTP
was written is that you should have your users connect to their ISP's SMTP
server to send all outgoing mail, however some ISPs have a feature which
checks the origination e-mail address of the message and if it is not for
the
ISPs domain then the mail still gets rejected. It is really a pain ehh?
I wish they would come up with a standardized authenticated SMTP so this
would
not be needed and all clients and servers used it, it would greatly cut down
on the amount of spamming going on!
>===== Original Message From Chris Hinch <chinch at arl.co dot nz> ====
>Hoping someone can help with a newbie question.
>
>I need for my users to be able to send and receive email using our
>corporate mail server even when dialed in through external ISP's.
>
>Receiving mail is not a problem, as they can connect to our mail server
>on our DMZ using POP3.
>
>Sending, however, is a problem as I have relaying turned off (we've been
>used in attacks once before, and it's not a place I want to be again).
>We cannot allow relaying from specific address ranges as our users dial
>up from widely used ISP's. So, where it stands at the moment is that
>only machines with LAN IP addresses can send mail to Worldmail on the
>DMZ.
>
>I thought that by setting up VPN connections through our firewall and
>equipping each dial up user with a VPN client that that would
>effectively make each dialup user appear as a LAN IP address, and
>thereby able to call the SMTP server. Unfortunately that's not the case,
>while the VPN allows a dial up user to see machines on both the LAN and
>the DMZ, Worldmail still sees the incoming packets as coming from as a
>DMZ connection and they get rejected.
>
>My current plan is to set up another box to act as an SMTP (relay or
>server?) on our LAN and point internal and external VPNed clients at
>that SMTP service and to use Worldmail purely as a POP3 server. Anyone
>have any better ideas, or can see why this would not work? If it will
>work, can anyone recommend an SMTP service or relay under NT that would
>work? Is there any reason to point such a server at Worldmail (like a
>relay) or should I just let it talk straight to the world?
>
>Sorry if I have gotten something fundamentally wrong in all this... any
>assistance would be much appreciated.
>
>Chris Hinch
>chinch at arl.co dot nz
------------------------
Douglas Anderson
doug at douglasanderson dot net
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: SMTP server
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:28:15 -0400
Ironically enough, after all the discussions, which are very helpful, I am
still wondering if there is a way to avoid being used as a relay server for
those bastards out there. My server is a public email server, and im
crossing my fingers in hopes i dont get put on ORBS etc.
Any recommendations?
:)
Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Webster [mailto:paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:05 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: SMTP server
FYI - there is a standardized authenticated SMTP, but the RFC came out after
the last version of WorldMail.
The other "hack" is POP-before-SMTP - i.e. check that the IP address that is
trying to submit the message has recently successfully logged in using POP3
or IMAP4.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Anderson [mailto:dandersn at purdue dot edu]
Sent: 20 June 2001 16:27
To: Chris Hinch; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: SMTP server
From my past experiences the VPN should work, however the way Internet SMTP
was written is that you should have your users connect to their ISP's SMTP
server to send all outgoing mail, however some ISPs have a feature which
checks the origination e-mail address of the message and if it is not for
the
ISPs domain then the mail still gets rejected. It is really a pain ehh?
I wish they would come up with a standardized authenticated SMTP so this
would
not be needed and all clients and servers used it, it would greatly cut down
on the amount of spamming going on!
>===== Original Message From Chris Hinch <chinch at arl.co dot nz> ====
>Hoping someone can help with a newbie question.
>
>I need for my users to be able to send and receive email using our
>corporate mail server even when dialed in through external ISP's.
>
>Receiving mail is not a problem, as they can connect to our mail server
>on our DMZ using POP3.
>
>Sending, however, is a problem as I have relaying turned off (we've been
>used in attacks once before, and it's not a place I want to be again).
>We cannot allow relaying from specific address ranges as our users dial
>up from widely used ISP's. So, where it stands at the moment is that
>only machines with LAN IP addresses can send mail to Worldmail on the
>DMZ.
>
>I thought that by setting up VPN connections through our firewall and
>equipping each dial up user with a VPN client that that would
>effectively make each dialup user appear as a LAN IP address, and
>thereby able to call the SMTP server. Unfortunately that's not the case,
>while the VPN allows a dial up user to see machines on both the LAN and
>the DMZ, Worldmail still sees the incoming packets as coming from as a
>DMZ connection and they get rejected.
>
>My current plan is to set up another box to act as an SMTP (relay or
>server?) on our LAN and point internal and external VPNed clients at
>that SMTP service and to use Worldmail purely as a POP3 server. Anyone
>have any better ideas, or can see why this would not work? If it will
>work, can anyone recommend an SMTP service or relay under NT that would
>work? Is there any reason to point such a server at Worldmail (like a
>relay) or should I just let it talk straight to the world?
>
>Sorry if I have gotten something fundamentally wrong in all this... any
>assistance would be much appreciated.
>
>Chris Hinch
>chinch at arl.co dot nz
------------------------
Douglas Anderson
doug at douglasanderson dot net
From: "S. Amy Singh" <geekus_maximus at hotmail dot com>
Subject: messages stuck in queue
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:32:10 -0400
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Hi everyone:
I am brand new to this list so please forgive me if I am broaching
chartered territory -- I did look through some of the archives but I did
not find anything related to the problem I am having.
I installed Worldmail 2.0 on a Win2k workstation. Worldmail does not
seem to have trouble processing messages that are addressed to email
accounts that exist under my domain. However, it cannot seem to process
messages to email addresses that are OUTSIDE of my domain. I searched
the eudora site but could not find anything to fix this problem. Anyone
out there run into this? If so, have any advice, suggestions, etc?
Thank you so much in advance!
Amy
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi everyone:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am brand new to this list so please
forgive me if
I am broaching chartered territory -- I did look through some of the
archives
but I did not find anything related to the problem I am
having.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I installed Worldmail 2.0 on a Win2k
workstation. Worldmail does not seem to have trouble processing
messages
that are addressed to email accounts that exist under my domain.
However,
it cannot seem to process messages to email addresses that
are OUTSIDE
of my domain. I searched the eudora site but could not find
anything to
fix this problem. Anyone out there run into this? If so,
have any
advice, suggestions, etc?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you so much in
advance!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Amy</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Art Lazanoff" <art at parrotbyte dot com>
Subject: RE: messages stuck in queue
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:47:42 -0700
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Sounds like you need to edit the TCP/IP parameters to add your DNS server's
name. You can tell whether this is the problem by looking at the SMTP log.
If it shows that a MX failure to look up a domain name for your outbound
messages, it means that WorldMail isn't getting access to a domain name
server (DNS). This is a known problem with worldmail and win2k.
To make the needed entry, 'run' regedt32. Pick the tab for
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE on Local Machine. Click on SYSTEM ->
CurrentControlSet->Services->Tcpip->Parameters. Under Parameters you should
see an entry NameServer. Clicking on NameServer will bring up a dialog box
where you can enter the name or IP address of your DNS.
Art
-----Original Message-----
From: S. Amy Singh [mailto:geekus_maximus at hotmail dot com]
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 4:32 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Cc: andrewdj at seas.upenn dot edu
Subject: messages stuck in queue
Hi everyone:
I am brand new to this list so please forgive me if I am broaching
chartered territory -- I did look through some of the archives but I did not
find anything related to the problem I am having.
I installed Worldmail 2.0 on a Win2k workstation. Worldmail does not seem
to have trouble processing messages that are addressed to email accounts
that exist under my domain. However, it cannot seem to process messages to
email addresses that are OUTSIDE of my domain. I searched the eudora site
but could not find anything to fix this problem. Anyone out there run into
this? If so, have any advice, suggestions, etc?
Thank you so much in advance!
Amy
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<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Console" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=130413823-07072001>Sounds like you need to edit the TCP/IP
parameters to
add your DNS server's name. You can tell whether this is the
problem by
looking at the SMTP log. If it shows that a MX failure to look up a
domain name
for your outbound messages, it means that WorldMail isn't getting access
to a
domain name server (DNS). This is a known problem with worldmail and
win2k.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Console" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=130413823-07072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Console" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=130413823-07072001>To make the needed entry, 'run' regedt32.
Pick the tab
for HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE on Local Machine. Click on SYSTEM ->
CurrentControlSet->Services->Tcpip->Parameters.
Under Parameters
you should see an entry NameServer. Clicking on NameServer
will bring
up a dialog box where you can enter the name or IP address of your
DNS.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=130413823-07072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Console" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=130413823-07072001>Art </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Console" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=130413823-07072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Console" color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=130413823-07072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> S. Amy Singh
[mailto:geekus_maximus at hotmail dot com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 07,
2001
4:32 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Subscribers of WorldMail<BR><B>Cc:</B>
andrewdj at seas.upenn dot edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> messages stuck in
queue<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi everyone:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am brand new to this list so please
forgive me
if I am broaching chartered territory -- I did look through some of
the
archives but I did not find anything related to the problem I am
having.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I installed Worldmail 2.0 on a Win2k
workstation. Worldmail does not seem to have trouble processing
messages
that are addressed to email accounts that exist under my domain.
However, it cannot seem to process messages to email addresses
that
are OUTSIDE of my domain. I searched the eudora site but
could not
find anything to fix this problem. Anyone out there run into
this?
If so, have any advice, suggestions, etc?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you so much in
advance!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Amy</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:20:05 -0500
From: Douglas Anderson <dandersn at purdue dot edu>
Subject: RE: messages stuck in queue
This is probably because it cannot resolve the external domains into mail
server addresses. Check you SMTP log. You have to add a key into your
registry in Win 2000 for Worldmail to find your DNS servers. This is
documented on the WorldMail support site, just search for Windows 2000 and
DNS.
>===== Original Message From "S. Amy Singh" <geekus_maximus at hotmail dot com> ====
>Hi everyone:
>
>I am brand new to this list so please forgive me if I am broaching chartered
territory -- I did look through some of the archives but I did not find
anything related to the problem I am having.
>
>I installed Worldmail 2.0 on a Win2k workstation. Worldmail does not seem to
have trouble processing messages that are addressed to email accounts that
exist under my domain. However, it cannot seem to process messages to email
addresses that are OUTSIDE of my domain. I searched the eudora site but could
not find anything to fix this problem. Anyone out there run into this? If
so, have any advice, suggestions, etc?
>
>Thank you so much in advance!
>Amy
------------------------
Douglas Anderson
doug at douglasanderson dot net
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:28:40 -0700
From: Phil Howitt <phil_h at ix.netcom dot com>
Subject: Upgrading
To: worldmail at lists.pensive dot org
From: phil_h at ix.netcom dot com
Does anybody have experience upgrading Worldmail from 10
mailboxes to 20 or more? Is it routine or problematic?
Phil
From: "schulte, ulrich" <u.schulte at holsten dot de>
Subject: 7bit conversion failed
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:50:39 +0200
We have problems receiving mails with attachments from certain sources -
SMTP-log says:
"7bit conversion failed" with status 5.6.5. The mails are not forwarded to
our Exchange Server...
nobody gets an error or ndr - the mail just disappears. Mails without
attachment a r e
delivered successfully.
We use WorldMail 2. I checked the mime-support of our server - enhanced
SMTP, 8-bit MIME
and everything in WorldMail is enabled and supported.
What else could we do to solve this problem?
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: 7bit conversion failed
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:31:44 +0100
I presume that it is failing on the way in to Worldmail - and the 5.6.5 is a
hard error being reported back to the sending mail server.
Perhaps the sending system is encoding the data part of the message in a way
that is inconsistent with the facilities that it started with (using ESMTP)
Can you get the ISOTRACE output for it? [hunt for isotrace.exe and run it
with logging to file and SMTP set to Verbose]
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: schulte, ulrich [mailto:u.schulte at holsten dot de]
Sent: 10 July 2001 14:51
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: 7bit conversion failed
We have problems receiving mails with attachments from certain sources -
SMTP-log says:
"7bit conversion failed" with status 5.6.5. The mails are not forwarded to
our Exchange Server...
nobody gets an error or ndr - the mail just disappears. Mails without
attachment a r e
delivered successfully.
We use WorldMail 2. I checked the mime-support of our server - enhanced
SMTP, 8-bit MIME
and everything in WorldMail is enabled and supported.
What else could we do to solve this problem?
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:19:07 +0100
From: John Aldridge <john.aldridge at informatix.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: 7bit conversion failed
At 20:31 12/07/2001 +0100, schulte, ulrich wrote:
>We have problems receiving mails with attachments from certain sources -
>SMTP-log says:
>"7bit conversion failed"
I can't remember the full details, unfortunately, but we had a similar
problem which turned out to be Outlook using an inappropriate
Content-Transfer-Encoding (or maybe Content-Type) header for the characters
it was placing in the body. Sorry I can't be more specific, but this may
give you a hint as to where to start looking.
--
Cheers,
John
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:07:56 +1000
From: Peter Moon <peter.moon at js.com dot au>
Subject: Maximum attachment size
Hi, all.
I wonder if anyone can tell me how to change the default maximum attachment
size for incoming mail.
Thank you.
Peter Moon
Special Counsel / IT
Jerrard & Stuk / Lawyers
7 / 474 Flinders Street
Melbourne 3000 Australia
t: +61-3-9278-4111
f: +61-3-9629-5507
e: peter.moon at js.com dot au
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Maximum attachment size
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:45:39 +0100
From the Management Center - right click Internet Mail and look under
General.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Moon [mailto:peter.moon at js.com dot au]
Sent: 16 July 2001 00:08
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Maximum attachment size
Hi, all.
I wonder if anyone can tell me how to change the default maximum attachment
size for incoming mail.
Thank you.
Peter Moon
Special Counsel / IT
Jerrard & Stuk / Lawyers
7 / 474 Flinders Street
Melbourne 3000 Australia
t: +61-3-9278-4111
f: +61-3-9629-5507
e: peter.moon at js.com dot au
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Subject: how to unsubscribe ?
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:14:20 -0500
Will someone please remind me what address to
use in order to unsubscribe ?
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: WorldMail list [mailto:WorldMail at lists.pensive dot org]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 2:01 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: WorldMail digest 16 Jul 2001
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. Maximum attachment size
Peter Moon <peter.moon at js.com dot au>
Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:07:56 +1000
2. RE: Maximum attachment size
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:45:39 +0100
------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:07:56 +1000
From: Peter Moon <peter.moon at js.com dot au>
Subject: Maximum attachment size
Hi, all.
I wonder if anyone can tell me how to change the default maximum
attachment
size for incoming mail.
Thank you.
Peter Moon
Special Counsel / IT
Jerrard & Stuk / Lawyers
7 / 474 Flinders Street
Melbourne 3000 Australia
t: +61-3-9278-4111
f: +61-3-9629-5507
e: peter.moon at js.com dot au
------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Maximum attachment size
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:45:39 +0100
From the Management Center - right click Internet Mail and look under
General.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Moon [mailto:peter.moon at js.com dot au]
Sent: 16 July 2001 00:08
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Maximum attachment size
Hi, all.
I wonder if anyone can tell me how to change the default maximum
attachment
size for incoming mail.
Thank you.
Peter Moon
Special Counsel / IT
Jerrard & Stuk / Lawyers
7 / 474 Flinders Street
Melbourne 3000 Australia
t: +61-3-9278-4111
f: +61-3-9629-5507
e: peter.moon at js.com dot au
------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Chris Lander" <chris at altuscorp dot com>
Subject: RE: how to unsubscribe ?
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:55:37 -0700
Wow...you're actually in the office? ;)
To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to <worldmail-request at lists.pensive dot org>,
with the word "unsubscribe" in the body. (Don't use quotes).
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Chris Lander Altus Learning Systems, Inc.
chris at altuscorp dot com (408) 210-7409
+---------------------------------------------------------+
-----Original Message-----
From: Duane Barcena [mailto:duane at issi1 dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 08:14
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: how to unsubscribe ?
Will someone please remind me what address to
use in order to unsubscribe ?
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: WorldMail list [mailto:WorldMail at lists.pensive dot org]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 2:01 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: WorldMail digest 16 Jul 2001
Topics covered in this issue include:
1. Maximum attachment size
Peter Moon <peter.moon at js.com dot au>
Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:07:56 +1000
2. RE: Maximum attachment size
"Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:45:39 +0100
------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:07:56 +1000
From: Peter Moon <peter.moon at js.com dot au>
Subject: Maximum attachment size
Hi, all.
I wonder if anyone can tell me how to change the default maximum attachment
size for incoming mail.
Thank you.
Peter Moon
Special Counsel / IT
Jerrard & Stuk / Lawyers
7 / 474 Flinders Street
Melbourne 3000 Australia
t: +61-3-9278-4111
f: +61-3-9629-5507
e: peter.moon at js.com dot au
------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Paul Webster" <paul at spidersweb.freeserve.co dot uk>
Subject: RE: Maximum attachment size
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:45:39 +0100
From the Management Center - right click Internet Mail and look under
General.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Moon [mailto:peter.moon at js.com dot au]
Sent: 16 July 2001 00:08
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Maximum attachment size
Hi, all.
I wonder if anyone can tell me how to change the default maximum attachment
size for incoming mail.
Thank you.
Peter Moon
Special Counsel / IT
Jerrard & Stuk / Lawyers
7 / 474 Flinders Street
Melbourne 3000 Australia
t: +61-3-9278-4111
f: +61-3-9629-5507
e: peter.moon at js.com dot au
------------------------------------------------------------
From: Rich Turiel <rturiel at easter-seals dot org>
Subject: Web Interface Troubles
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:20:06 -0500
We have a setup of our World Mail Server that may be different then others
in that we host multiple domains for our 100+ affiliates and we allow one
person in each office to be an Admin of their domain through the Web based
Group Account Manager - I don't hear much talk on the list about the Group
Account Manager so I am not sure if folks deal with it a lot but I do have a
question to see if anyone has run across this before. The Group Account
Manager runs through a web browser using java applets - I have some folks
who say when ever they run the Manager web page it takes forever to load up.
Whether inside or outside the office I can run the applet fine with good
speed so I know its not firewall troubles. Some of the folks that have
trouble are very tech savvy and are on fast speed connections so I don't
think its a speed or user issuer. Has anyone else had any problems like
this??
Thanks,
Rich
From: Rich Turiel <rturiel at easter-seals dot org>
Subject: RE: Web Interface Troubles
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:38:57 -0500
Thanks Ben...I thought that too but they are using most recent IE . I asked
one person to download Netscape and see if they have any better luck. I also
suggested emptying their browser cache hoping that might help.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:43 PM
To: Rich Turiel; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Web Interface Troubles
perhaps browser upgrades????
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:20 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Web Interface Troubles
We have a setup of our World Mail Server that may be different then others
in that we host multiple domains for our 100+ affiliates and we allow one
person in each office to be an Admin of their domain through the Web based
Group Account Manager - I don't hear much talk on the list about the Group
Account Manager so I am not sure if folks deal with it a lot but I do have a
question to see if anyone has run across this before. The Group Account
Manager runs through a web browser using java applets - I have some folks
who say when ever they run the Manager web page it takes forever to load up.
Whether inside or outside the office I can run the applet fine with good
speed so I know its not firewall troubles. Some of the folks that have
trouble are very tech savvy and are on fast speed connections so I don't
think its a speed or user issuer. Has anyone else had any problems like
this??
Thanks,
Rich
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: Web Interface Troubles
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:42:59 -0400
perhaps browser upgrades????
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:20 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Web Interface Troubles
We have a setup of our World Mail Server that may be different then others
in that we host multiple domains for our 100+ affiliates and we allow one
person in each office to be an Admin of their domain through the Web based
Group Account Manager - I don't hear much talk on the list about the Group
Account Manager so I am not sure if folks deal with it a lot but I do have a
question to see if anyone has run across this before. The Group Account
Manager runs through a web browser using java applets - I have some folks
who say when ever they run the Manager web page it takes forever to load up.
Whether inside or outside the office I can run the applet fine with good
speed so I know its not firewall troubles. Some of the folks that have
trouble are very tech savvy and are on fast speed connections so I don't
think its a speed or user issuer. Has anyone else had any problems like
this??
Thanks,
Rich
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: Web Interface Troubles
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:48:12 -0400
hmm. and still no luck. very strange. Is there a pattern to it?
- a specific time of day?
- do you get fast response at the same time?
- have you monitored system performance?
- is it possible that too many people are using the manag. console at the
same time?
just some quick ideas.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:39 PM
To: 'Ben Saren'; 'WorldMail at lists.pensive dot org'
Subject: RE: Web Interface Troubles
Thanks Ben...I thought that too but they are using most recent IE . I asked
one person to download Netscape and see if they have any better luck. I also
suggested emptying their browser cache hoping that might help.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:43 PM
To: Rich Turiel; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Web Interface Troubles
perhaps browser upgrades????
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:20 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Web Interface Troubles
We have a setup of our World Mail Server that may be different then others
in that we host multiple domains for our 100+ affiliates and we allow one
person in each office to be an Admin of their domain through the Web based
Group Account Manager - I don't hear much talk on the list about the Group
Account Manager so I am not sure if folks deal with it a lot but I do have a
question to see if anyone has run across this before. The Group Account
Manager runs through a web browser using java applets - I have some folks
who say when ever they run the Manager web page it takes forever to load up.
Whether inside or outside the office I can run the applet fine with good
speed so I know its not firewall troubles. Some of the folks that have
trouble are very tech savvy and are on fast speed connections so I don't
think its a speed or user issuer. Has anyone else had any problems like
this??
Thanks,
Rich
From: "David Dowdy" <DDowdy at csiweb dot com>
Subject: RE: Web Interface Troubles
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:21:05 -0500
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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:15:26 -0500
From: Brad Schlaeppi <bschlaeppi at smm dot org>
Subject: Re: Web Interface Troubles
The web interface works reasonably well for us. We have noticed that it does not work with IE 5 for the Mac. We haven't figured out why but I think it is because of the new security features in IE.
The other problem we usually have is that the LDAP service will fail occasionally and then the web interface will not function (both the main page and personal/group managers). The main smtp and pop email functions are not affected by the LDAP going down
. We never
figured out why but it does seem like certain clients are more likely to cause it to crash independent of what browser they are using. Restarting the LDAP and/or PH service gets it going again.
We haven't had any problem with speed but it can be slow on a dialup until the applets load.
I always wondered if it could be run under IIS. I can't see how the manager pages could work without connecting to the LDAP (port 389?) database for at least authentication.
If you have a lot of accounts and domains, the speed problem could be the LDAP database. When an account is deleted it is often not completely removed from the database (rfc...mailbox data is usually left). Over time a lot of extra junk can be left. Th
e command line
LDAP utilities are useless.
Periodically, we clean up the database using the block load utility and a saved copy of a blank database from a clean install of WorldMail. Export your full config with NIBL, stop the LDAP and PH, copy in a base blank database, start the services, and th
en import the
config with NIBL. A clean current LDAP database is rebuilt by the import. Review your WorldMail server settings before and after the block load. There are some settings that are not included in the config export. I forget but I think the database is i
n the
\WorldMail\IDS directory. A clean LDAP database still does not fix the occasional LDAP crash however.
FYI: I think ISOCOR was bought by Critical Path in 1999. Therefore there will probably not be any upgrades to WorldMail. It is too bad. Even with all of the griping and its limitations, WorldMail has been very good, simple, and inexpensive for us.
Brad
From: Rich Turiel <rturiel at easter-seals dot org>
Subject: Virus software on server
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:44:38 -0500
We currently are running Worldmail on an NT box. We have virus protection
through Norton Anti Virus Internet Mail Gateway on a separate box that works
great. However there is no file side protection on the NT box that the
Worldmail Server is running on. I know sometimes email servers and virus
software on the same machine can get a little tricky. I know since the email
is coming through a virus checker I could just exclude the whole Worldmail
folder from being scanned. Has anyone had any experience and/or
recommendations before I do this?
Rich
From: "Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:56:43 -0300
The tricky thing resides in the case the av software interferes with the
normal operation of the mail server.
The av soft might detect a virus in a file, and will block access to it...
now, if the mail server needs access to that file, the mail sever is going
down in flames (as well as your users access to mail).
If the mail server is just that, a mail server, then there is no need to
install more stuff on it. I'm saying this since you already have an av
scanning your mail.
If you still install an av on the mail server, make sure you exclude it from
scanning the Worldmail directory.
Anyway, in your case I wouldn't recommend installing an av in the mail
server... av software is extremelly invasive, they easly convert a highly
reliable server into BSOD-maker!
Best regards,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:45 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Virus software on server
We currently are running Worldmail on an NT box. We have virus protection
through Norton Anti Virus Internet Mail Gateway on a separate box that works
great. However there is no file side protection on the NT box that the
Worldmail Server is running on. I know sometimes email servers and virus
software on the same machine can get a little tricky. I know since the email
is coming through a virus checker I could just exclude the whole Worldmail
folder from being scanned. Has anyone had any experience and/or
recommendations before I do this?
Rich
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:15:01 -0400
I use NAV Corporate Edition... And it works great with Worldmail.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:57 AM
To: Rich Turiel; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
The tricky thing resides in the case the av software interferes with the
normal operation of the mail server. The av soft might detect a virus in
a file, and will block access to it... now, if the mail server needs
access to that file, the mail sever is going down in flames (as well as
your users access to mail).
If the mail server is just that, a mail server, then there is no need to
install more stuff on it. I'm saying this since you already have an av
scanning your mail.
If you still install an av on the mail server, make sure you exclude it
from scanning the Worldmail directory.
Anyway, in your case I wouldn't recommend installing an av in the mail
server... av software is extremelly invasive, they easly convert a
highly reliable server into BSOD-maker!
Best regards,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:45 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Virus software on server
We currently are running Worldmail on an NT box. We have virus
protection through Norton Anti Virus Internet Mail Gateway on a separate
box that works great. However there is no file side protection on the NT
box that the Worldmail Server is running on. I know sometimes email
servers and virus software on the same machine can get a little tricky.
I know since the email is coming through a virus checker I could just
exclude the whole Worldmail folder from being scanned. Has anyone had
any experience and/or recommendations before I do this?
Rich
From: "Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:26:54 -0400
I agree. I've never had any issues with NAV Corporate edition either....at
least with Worldmail...
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:15 PM
To: 'Andrew McClymont'; 'Rich Turiel'; 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I use NAV Corporate Edition... And it works great with Worldmail.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:57 AM
To: Rich Turiel; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
The tricky thing resides in the case the av software interferes with the
normal operation of the mail server. The av soft might detect a virus in
a file, and will block access to it... now, if the mail server needs
access to that file, the mail sever is going down in flames (as well as
your users access to mail).
If the mail server is just that, a mail server, then there is no need to
install more stuff on it. I'm saying this since you already have an av
scanning your mail.
If you still install an av on the mail server, make sure you exclude it
from scanning the Worldmail directory.
Anyway, in your case I wouldn't recommend installing an av in the mail
server... av software is extremelly invasive, they easly convert a
highly reliable server into BSOD-maker!
Best regards,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:45 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Virus software on server
We currently are running Worldmail on an NT box. We have virus
protection through Norton Anti Virus Internet Mail Gateway on a separate
box that works great. However there is no file side protection on the NT
box that the Worldmail Server is running on. I know sometimes email
servers and virus software on the same machine can get a little tricky.
I know since the email is coming through a virus checker I could just
exclude the whole Worldmail folder from being scanned. Has anyone had
any experience and/or recommendations before I do this?
Rich
From: "Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:42:57 -0300
People,
I'm not saying that NAV is a piece of trash, altough I rather use McAfee
than Symantec's slow-motion av.
Anyway, I'm just saying that when it comes down to servers you ONLY install
the the things you need. I mean, none of you has WinAmp, OfficeXP and Adobe
Photoshop in your server running, right? Why is that? 'cause, the more
things you install the more 'fragile' the server becomes... Well, at least
that's how I work down here.
Be happy,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:27 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I agree. I've never had any issues with NAV Corporate edition either....at
least with Worldmail...
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:15 PM
To: 'Andrew McClymont'; 'Rich Turiel'; 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I use NAV Corporate Edition... And it works great with Worldmail.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:57 AM
To: Rich Turiel; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
The tricky thing resides in the case the av software interferes with the
normal operation of the mail server. The av soft might detect a virus in
a file, and will block access to it... now, if the mail server needs
access to that file, the mail sever is going down in flames (as well as
your users access to mail).
If the mail server is just that, a mail server, then there is no need to
install more stuff on it. I'm saying this since you already have an av
scanning your mail.
If you still install an av on the mail server, make sure you exclude it
from scanning the Worldmail directory.
Anyway, in your case I wouldn't recommend installing an av in the mail
server... av software is extremelly invasive, they easly convert a
highly reliable server into BSOD-maker!
Best regards,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:45 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Virus software on server
We currently are running Worldmail on an NT box. We have virus
protection through Norton Anti Virus Internet Mail Gateway on a separate
box that works great. However there is no file side protection on the NT
box that the Worldmail Server is running on. I know sometimes email
servers and virus software on the same machine can get a little tricky.
I know since the email is coming through a virus checker I could just
exclude the whole Worldmail folder from being scanned. Has anyone had
any experience and/or recommendations before I do this?
Rich
From: "Ben Saren" <ben at atomicusa dot com>
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:53:42 -0400
I don't think anyone is calling NAV trash, or getting worked up...
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:43 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
People,
I'm not saying that NAV is a piece of trash, altough I rather use McAfee
than Symantec's slow-motion av. Anyway, I'm just saying that when it
comes down to servers you ONLY install the the things you need. I mean,
none of you has WinAmp, OfficeXP and Adobe Photoshop in your server
running, right? Why is that? 'cause, the more things you install the
more 'fragile' the server becomes... Well, at least that's how I work
down here.
Be happy,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:27 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I agree. I've never had any issues with NAV Corporate edition
either....at least with Worldmail...
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:15 PM
To: 'Andrew McClymont'; 'Rich Turiel'; 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I use NAV Corporate Edition... And it works great with Worldmail.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:57 AM
To: Rich Turiel; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
The tricky thing resides in the case the av software interferes with the
normal operation of the mail server. The av soft might detect a virus in
a file, and will block access to it... now, if the mail server needs
access to that file, the mail sever is going down in flames (as well as
your users access to mail).
If the mail server is just that, a mail server, then there is no need to
install more stuff on it. I'm saying this since you already have an av
scanning your mail.
If you still install an av on the mail server, make sure you exclude it
from scanning the Worldmail directory.
Anyway, in your case I wouldn't recommend installing an av in the mail
server... av software is extremelly invasive, they easly convert a
highly reliable server into BSOD-maker!
Best regards,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:45 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Virus software on server
We currently are running Worldmail on an NT box. We have virus
protection through Norton Anti Virus Internet Mail Gateway on a separate
box that works great. However there is no file side protection on the NT
box that the Worldmail Server is running on. I know sometimes email
servers and virus software on the same machine can get a little tricky.
I know since the email is coming through a virus checker I could just
exclude the whole Worldmail folder from being scanned. Has anyone had
any experience and/or recommendations before I do this?
Rich
From: "Tom Kemp" <KempT at presearch dot com>
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:54:12 -0400
I agree with you, as well. I don't install any extras on that server.
Heck, it's only a P200mmx system, as it is! It does well for email, though.
Antivirus, on the other hand, is something that you have to have. Almost
all of the viruses we battle come in through the email server. I read an
article the other day stating that it was up to us administrators to get a
reign on these viruses, because we can't count on the end users to do it.
That is definitely a fact. Outlook users configure their inbox to auto-open
new emails for preview. If they aren't that smart, they are even more apt
to open the attachments themselves.
The problem I see with Worldmail and NAV together is simply that although
some viruses are caught prior to delivery, many viruses still get through to
the end users.
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:43 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
People,
I'm not saying that NAV is a piece of trash, altough I rather use McAfee
than Symantec's slow-motion av.
Anyway, I'm just saying that when it comes down to servers you ONLY install
the the things you need. I mean, none of you has WinAmp, OfficeXP and Adobe
Photoshop in your server running, right? Why is that? 'cause, the more
things you install the more 'fragile' the server becomes... Well, at least
that's how I work down here.
Be happy,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:27 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I agree. I've never had any issues with NAV Corporate edition either....at
least with Worldmail...
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:15 PM
To: 'Andrew McClymont'; 'Rich Turiel'; 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I use NAV Corporate Edition... And it works great with Worldmail.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:57 AM
To: Rich Turiel; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
The tricky thing resides in the case the av software interferes with the
normal operation of the mail server. The av soft might detect a virus in
a file, and will block access to it... now, if the mail server needs
access to that file, the mail sever is going down in flames (as well as
your users access to mail).
If the mail server is just that, a mail server, then there is no need to
install more stuff on it. I'm saying this since you already have an av
scanning your mail.
If you still install an av on the mail server, make sure you exclude it
from scanning the Worldmail directory.
Anyway, in your case I wouldn't recommend installing an av in the mail
server... av software is extremelly invasive, they easly convert a
highly reliable server into BSOD-maker!
Best regards,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:45 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Virus software on server
We currently are running Worldmail on an NT box. We have virus
protection through Norton Anti Virus Internet Mail Gateway on a separate
box that works great. However there is no file side protection on the NT
box that the Worldmail Server is running on. I know sometimes email
servers and virus software on the same machine can get a little tricky.
I know since the email is coming through a virus checker I could just
exclude the whole Worldmail folder from being scanned. Has anyone had
any experience and/or recommendations before I do this?
Rich
From: "Richard Anderson" <richa at mitchellair dot com>
Subject: FW: Virus software on server
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:02:42 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Anderson [mailto:richa at mitchellair dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:49 PM
To: 'Tom Kemp'
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I use it as well and I have had no problems. Keep in mind that the reason
for that is possibly simple. My Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition is set
up to quarantine immediately upon discovering a virus in an email (using
NAVCEs Real-time Protection). This means that it is removed from the
directory before World Mail can try and get it. This may prevent any BSOD
or similar complications.
On a side note: keep in mind that NAVCE does not always catch a virus in
World Mail. Often SMTP hides the virus. On a previous setup, I've had a
virus get past the mail server, where NAV was installed, and on to a user's
computer where it was detected when they would open or save an attachment.
So don't rely on NAVC being installed on just the mail server. NAVCE has a
full package for firewall, email, server, and client protection.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:27 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I agree. I've never had any issues with NAV Corporate edition either....at
least with Worldmail...
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:15 PM
To: 'Andrew McClymont'; 'Rich Turiel'; 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I use NAV Corporate Edition... And it works great with Worldmail.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:57 AM
To: Rich Turiel; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
The tricky thing resides in the case the av software interferes with the
normal operation of the mail server. The av soft might detect a virus in
a file, and will block access to it... now, if the mail server needs
access to that file, the mail sever is going down in flames (as well as
your users access to mail).
If the mail server is just that, a mail server, then there is no need to
install more stuff on it. I'm saying this since you already have an av
scanning your mail.
If you still install an av on the mail server, make sure you exclude it
from scanning the Worldmail directory.
Anyway, in your case I wouldn't recommend installing an av in the mail
server... av software is extremelly invasive, they easly convert a
highly reliable server into BSOD-maker!
Best regards,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:45 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Virus software on server
We currently are running Worldmail on an NT box. We have virus
protection through Norton Anti Virus Internet Mail Gateway on a separate
box that works great. However there is no file side protection on the NT
box that the Worldmail Server is running on. I know sometimes email
servers and virus software on the same machine can get a little tricky.
I know since the email is coming through a virus checker I could just
exclude the whole Worldmail folder from being scanned. Has anyone had
any experience and/or recommendations before I do this?
Rich
From: "Andrew McClymont" <andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net>
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:52:17 -0300
For admins users are the most primitive life-form... well, if they'd be
smart enough we'll have no jobs.
Anyway, keeping up with virus definition files is all another issue... you
only have to skip one update and you are screwed. Remember when ILOVEYOU
hit?
From down here we where unable to reach av sites for a lot of days! McAfee,
Symantec, DataFellows... none. I remember I had to analyze that sucker
myself to come up with a vaccine.
Besides that you have to keep plugging windows security holes, otherwise you
get buffer-overruned by some script-kiddie.
We use WebShield SMTP from NAI, and it rocks... the only time we had an
issue was with the ILOVEYOU virus. But the av was unable to download the
virus definition files due to the site was non-reachable. That was with
version 4.0.
Now with version 4.5 we configured it to look for updates every hour.
Besides that, we use an alert program that alerts us when de the definition
files are updated on the site... so we receive the popup message and we can
confirm that the definition files where downloaded ok. It always works
ok... but the popup message is just a precaution.
By the way, there is a ms patch for office that prevents users from
receiveing executable code in their outlook. They receive the attach but
are unable to open it... it blocks every exe, com, dll, lnk, vbs and so
files... this was incorporated in SP1 or SP2 of office2000.
Have a nice day,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:54 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I agree with you, as well. I don't install any extras on that server.
Heck, it's only a P200mmx system, as it is! It does well for email, though.
Antivirus, on the other hand, is something that you have to have. Almost
all of the viruses we battle come in through the email server. I read an
article the other day stating that it was up to us administrators to get a
reign on these viruses, because we can't count on the end users to do it.
That is definitely a fact. Outlook users configure their inbox to auto-open
new emails for preview. If they aren't that smart, they are even more apt
to open the attachments themselves.
The problem I see with Worldmail and NAV together is simply that although
some viruses are caught prior to delivery, many viruses still get through to
the end users.
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:43 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
People,
I'm not saying that NAV is a piece of trash, altough I rather use McAfee
than Symantec's slow-motion av.
Anyway, I'm just saying that when it comes down to servers you ONLY install
the the things you need. I mean, none of you has WinAmp, OfficeXP and Adobe
Photoshop in your server running, right? Why is that? 'cause, the more
things you install the more 'fragile' the server becomes... Well, at least
that's how I work down here.
Be happy,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:27 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I agree. I've never had any issues with NAV Corporate edition either....at
least with Worldmail...
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:15 PM
To: 'Andrew McClymont'; 'Rich Turiel'; 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I use NAV Corporate Edition... And it works great with Worldmail.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:57 AM
To: Rich Turiel; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
The tricky thing resides in the case the av software interferes with the
normal operation of the mail server. The av soft might detect a virus in
a file, and will block access to it... now, if the mail server needs
access to that file, the mail sever is going down in flames (as well as
your users access to mail).
If the mail server is just that, a mail server, then there is no need to
install more stuff on it. I'm saying this since you already have an av
scanning your mail.
If you still install an av on the mail server, make sure you exclude it
from scanning the Worldmail directory.
Anyway, in your case I wouldn't recommend installing an av in the mail
server... av software is extremelly invasive, they easly convert a
highly reliable server into BSOD-maker!
Best regards,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:45 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Virus software on server
We currently are running Worldmail on an NT box. We have virus
protection through Norton Anti Virus Internet Mail Gateway on a separate
box that works great. However there is no file side protection on the NT
box that the Worldmail Server is running on. I know sometimes email
servers and virus software on the same machine can get a little tricky.
I know since the email is coming through a virus checker I could just
exclude the whole Worldmail folder from being scanned. Has anyone had
any experience and/or recommendations before I do this?
Rich
From: "Jason Davidson" <jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:48:17 -0700
I also run NAVCE on the same server as WorldMail, along with NAVGW (that's
the same as Norton Antivirus for Internet Email Gateways, except they
renamed the product to Gateways).
The only trouble I've ever had with NAVCE is it wants to conflict with
NAVGW. You have to exclude NAVCE from scanning the NAVGW folders, otherwise
NAVCE will 'take over' any email viruses that NAVGW detects.
Your right in saying that SMTP hides viruses from NAVCE. It won't detect
them until it reaches the local workstation. Then it's the local NAVCE
Exchange module that catches the virus. I had this problem with the Sircam
virus, as NAVGW won't detect it, but NAVCE will.
The other problem I've had with NAVCE is a multi-homed issue. The server
has two lan cards, one connected to the external network, and the other
connected to the local hubs. This forms a bridge. Depending on the
bindings under NT, NAVCE will bind itself to that address and forward that
IP to all of the workstations as the parent AV server. If it's the wrong
IP, the workstations accept the configuration change, update themselves with
the external IP, then never again connect to the server - you just have to
watch the bindings here.
This only becomes an issue when you want to connect to an external router -
because most router configuration software that comes out of the box expects
the external lan IP to be bound first.
Sorry - didn't mean to clutter up the works, but my point is you can have
SEVERAL configurations that work very well for your lan.
Jason Davidson <mailto:jdavidson at crousebeers dot com>
Crouse Beers and Associates
Engineering, Surveying, Planning, Construction Management
(909) 736-2040 (909) 736-5292 FAX
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kemp [mailto:KempT at presearch dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:27 AM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I agree. I've never had any issues with NAV Corporate edition either....at
least with Worldmail...
Dennis T. Kemp II (Tom Kemp)
MCSE/CCNAv2/Program Manager
Control Concepts, Inc.
703-876-6418
Fax: 703-876-6416
KempT at controlconceptsinc dot com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Saren [mailto:ben at atomicusa dot com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:15 PM
To: 'Andrew McClymont'; 'Rich Turiel'; 'Subscribers of WorldMail'
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
I use NAV Corporate Edition... And it works great with Worldmail.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew McClymont [mailto:andrewmcclymont at d-link dot net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:57 AM
To: Rich Turiel; Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: RE: Virus software on server
The tricky thing resides in the case the av software interferes with the
normal operation of the mail server. The av soft might detect a virus in
a file, and will block access to it... now, if the mail server needs
access to that file, the mail sever is going down in flames (as well as
your users access to mail).
If the mail server is just that, a mail server, then there is no need to
install more stuff on it. I'm saying this since you already have an av
scanning your mail.
If you still install an av on the mail server, make sure you exclude it
from scanning the Worldmail directory.
Anyway, in your case I wouldn't recommend installing an av in the mail
server... av software is extremelly invasive, they easly convert a
highly reliable server into BSOD-maker!
Best regards,
-Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Turiel [mailto:rturiel at easter-seals dot org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:45 PM
To: Subscribers of WorldMail
Subject: Virus software on server
We currently are running Worldmail on an NT box. We have virus
protection through Norton Anti Virus Internet Mail Gateway on a separate
box that works great. However there is no file side protection on the NT
box that the Worldmail Server is running on. I know sometimes email
servers and virus software on the same machine can get a little tricky.
I know since the email is coming through a virus checker I could just
exclude the whole Worldmail folder from being scanned. Has anyone had
any experience and/or recommendations before I do this?
Rich
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